Mystery Tree

[Willow]

Hi,

There's a tree at work that I really like & am considering planting several
in my front yard. Only trouble is I have no idea of what the tree is. It
stands at about 5m tall with the spread of branches also at about 5m. The
leaves are serrated & the bark is papery, although not as much as paperbark,
with colourful splotches where bark has peeled off. It seems to be a popular
tree with councils as it's planted on most of the verges around work & I've
seen several on council verges in the suburb where I live. There's a couple
of pictures of the tree if someone could have a go at identifying it for me.

http://www.2000cn.com.au/~willow/DSC00603.jpg
http://www.2000cn.com.au/~willow/DSC00604.jpg

Thanks

--
Wanda
aka Willow
The missing and definitely not to be taken seriously under any circumstances
garden gnome
http://www.2000cn.com.au/~willow

~~faeries are able to fly because they take themselves lightly~

[Trish]

Willow wrote:

>snip<

> http://www.2000cn.com.au/~willow/DSC00603.jpg
> http://www.2000cn.com.au/~willow/DSC00604.jpg

I'm pretty sure this is the same tree that is at the Richmond showground
where they have the swap meets. If this is the same thing I'm thinking
of, I have only seen it in a Bonsai form, but the name of it is on the
tip of my tongue (the word Japonica keeps springing into my head, but I
don't think that's it?). There is a Bonsai place just down from me, I'll
go and
check it out this week. (Curiosity is getting the better of me now!)
Or you could ring the Council in that area, maybe they'll tell you?

Trish.

--
Trish Stadelmaier
Equinox Audio
http://www.equinoxaudio.com.au

Sydney Australia

[Willow]

Thanks Trish. I have sent the council an email, but as yet haven't received
a response. Maybe I should give the phone a try, it's a little more
difficult to ignore ;)

--
Wanda
aka Willow
The missing and definitely not to be taken seriously under any circumstances
garden gnome
http://www.2000cn.com.au/~willow

~~faeries are able to fly because they take themselves lightly~
Trish > wrote in message
...
> Willow wrote:
>
> >snip<
>
> > http://www.2000cn.com.au/~willow/DSC00603.jpg
> > http://www.2000cn.com.au/~willow/DSC00604.jpg
>
> I'm pretty sure this is the same tree that is at the Richmond showground
> where they have the swap meets. If this is the same thing I'm thinking
> of, I have only seen it in a Bonsai form, but the name of it is on the
> tip of my tongue (the word Japonica keeps springing into my head, but I
> don't think that's it?). There is a Bonsai place just down from me, I'll
> go and
> check it out this week. (Curiosity is getting the better of me now!)
> Or you could ring the Council in that area, maybe they'll tell you?
>
> Trish.
>
> --
> Trish Stadelmaier
> Equinox Audio
> http://www.equinoxaudio.com.au
>
> Sydney Australia

[Willow]

True. I didn't think there was much hope. I did call the council & the woman
there was very helpful. She said it was a chinese elm, although I've been
looking at pictures on the net & I'm not completely convinced as the leaf
shape is different (the pictures didn't show a serated leaf) & is quite
shiny whereas the ones around work are duller.

--
Wanda
aka Willow
The missing and definitely not to be taken seriously under any circumstances
garden gnome
http://www.2000cn.com.au/~willow

~~faeries are able to fly because they take themselves lightly~
Wallaby Walker > wrote in message
...
> Willow, the only way you can get an ID on this tree is not from a distant
> photo (it's just a tree). You need to take photos of the leaves in detail
> and the bark, any other things like seeds and flowers.
> NO ONE can give an ID from that photo.
>
> "Willow" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Thanks Trish. I have sent the council an email, but as yet haven't
> received
> > a response. Maybe I should give the phone a try, it's a little more
> > difficult to ignore ;)
> >
> > --
> > Wanda
> > aka Willow
> > The missing and definitely not to be taken seriously under any
> circumstances
> > garden gnome
> > http://www.2000cn.com.au/~willow
> >
> > ~~faeries are able to fly because they take themselves lightly~
> > Trish > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Willow wrote:
> > >
> > > >snip<
> > >
> > > > http://www.2000cn.com.au/~willow/DSC00603.jpg
> > > > http://www.2000cn.com.au/~willow/DSC00604.jpg
> > >
> > > I'm pretty sure this is the same tree that is at the Richmond
showground
> > > where they have the swap meets. If this is the same thing I'm thinking
> > > of, I have only seen it in a Bonsai form, but the name of it is on the
> > > tip of my tongue (the word Japonica keeps springing into my head, but
I
> > > don't think that's it?). There is a Bonsai place just down from me,
I'll
> > > go and
> > > check it out this week. (Curiosity is getting the better of me now!)
> > > Or you could ring the Council in that area, maybe they'll tell you?
> > >
> > > Trish.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Trish Stadelmaier
> > > Equinox Audio
> > > http://www.equinoxaudio.com.au
> > >
> > > Sydney Australia
> >
> >
>
>

[Dissent]

Trish wrote:
>
> Willow wrote:
>
> >snip<
>
> > http://www.2000cn.com.au/~willow/DSC00603.jpg
> > http://www.2000cn.com.au/~willow/DSC00604.jpg
>
> I'm pretty sure this is the same tree that is at the Richmond
> showground where they have the swap meets. If this is the same thing
> I'm thinking of, I have only seen it in a Bonsai form, but the name
> of it is on the tip of my tongue (the word Japonica keeps springing
> into my head, but I don't think that's it?). There is a Bonsai place
> just down from me, I'll go and
> check it out this week. (Curiosity is getting the better of me now!)
> Or you could ring the Council in that area, maybe they'll tell you?
>
> Trish.
>

Sounds to me like it's the legendary underpants tree! Watch out for
discharge..... --
Compromise, conformity, assimilation, submission, hypocrisy, brutality,
the elite.... All of which are American dreams......

[J & A Haig]

Hi, Willow,

yeah like Wallaby said, need close-up of leaves and bark as a minimum. Any
sign underneath of old flowers or seeds/fruits/pods? I really doubt the
Chinese elms report too. Not the same upright habit we see in them here.
Don't even think along those lines - major environmental weed!

Sorry, back to the camera!

Jim

"Willow" > wrote in message
...
> True. I didn't think there was much hope. I did call the council & the
woman
> there was very helpful. She said it was a chinese elm, although I've been
> looking at pictures on the net & I'm not completely convinced as the leaf
> shape is different (the pictures didn't show a serated leaf) & is quite
> shiny whereas the ones around work are duller.
>
> --
> Wanda
> aka Willow
> The missing and definitely not to be taken seriously under any
circumstances
> garden gnome
> http://www.2000cn.com.au/~willow
>
> ~~faeries are able to fly because they take themselves lightly~
> Wallaby Walker > wrote in message
> ...
> > Willow, the only way you can get an ID on this tree is not from a
distant
> > photo (it's just a tree). You need to take photos of the leaves in
detail
> > and the bark, any other things like seeds and flowers.
> > NO ONE can give an ID from that photo.
> >
> > "Willow" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Thanks Trish. I have sent the council an email, but as yet haven't
> > received
> > > a response. Maybe I should give the phone a try, it's a little more
> > > difficult to ignore ;)
> > >
> > > --
> > > Wanda
> > > aka Willow
> > > The missing and definitely not to be taken seriously under any
> > circumstances
> > > garden gnome
> > > http://www.2000cn.com.au/~willow
> > >
> > > ~~faeries are able to fly because they take themselves lightly~
> > > Trish > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Willow wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >snip<
> > > >
> > > > > http://www.2000cn.com.au/~willow/DSC00603.jpg
> > > > > http://www.2000cn.com.au/~willow/DSC00604.jpg
> > > >
> > > > I'm pretty sure this is the same tree that is at the Richmond
> showground
> > > > where they have the swap meets. If this is the same thing I'm
thinking
> > > > of, I have only seen it in a Bonsai form, but the name of it is on
the
> > > > tip of my tongue (the word Japonica keeps springing into my head,
but
> I
> > > > don't think that's it?). There is a Bonsai place just down from me,
> I'll
> > > > go and
> > > > check it out this week. (Curiosity is getting the better of me now!)
> > > > Or you could ring the Council in that area, maybe they'll tell you?
> > > >
> > > > Trish.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Trish Stadelmaier
> > > > Equinox Audio
> > > > http://www.equinoxaudio.com.au
> > > >
> > > > Sydney Australia
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Willow]

Environmental weed? Not one of the aussie sites I looked at mentioned that
it was a weed. I'm now looking at planting some dwarf sugar gums (eucalyptus
cladocalyx 'nana') & maybe a weeping mulberry. Don't know what to do with
all the cuttings I took of the chinese elm, although one friend has
indicated that he's interested in using some of them for bonsai if they
take.

--
Wanda
aka Willow
The missing and definitely not to be taken seriously under any circumstances
garden gnome
http://www.2000cn.com.au/~willow

~~faeries are able to fly because they take themselves lightly~
J & A Haig > wrote in message
u...
> Hi, Willow,
>
> yeah like Wallaby said, need close-up of leaves and bark as a minimum.
Any
> sign underneath of old flowers or seeds/fruits/pods? I really doubt the
> Chinese elms report too. Not the same upright habit we see in them here.
> Don't even think along those lines - major environmental weed!
>
> Sorry, back to the camera!
>
> Jim
>
> "Willow" > wrote in message
> ...
> > True. I didn't think there was much hope. I did call the council & the
> woman
> > there was very helpful. She said it was a chinese elm, although I've
been
> > looking at pictures on the net & I'm not completely convinced as the
leaf
> > shape is different (the pictures didn't show a serated leaf) & is quite
> > shiny whereas the ones around work are duller.
> >
> > --
> > Wanda
> > aka Willow
> > The missing and definitely not to be taken seriously under any
> circumstances
> > garden gnome
> > http://www.2000cn.com.au/~willow
> >
> > ~~faeries are able to fly because they take themselves lightly~
> > Wallaby Walker > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Willow, the only way you can get an ID on this tree is not from a
> distant
> > > photo (it's just a tree). You need to take photos of the leaves in
> detail
> > > and the bark, any other things like seeds and flowers.
> > > NO ONE can give an ID from that photo.
> > >
> > > "Willow" > wrote in
message
> > > ...
> > > > Thanks Trish. I have sent the council an email, but as yet haven't
> > > received
> > > > a response. Maybe I should give the phone a try, it's a little more
> > > > difficult to ignore ;)
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Wanda
> > > > aka Willow
> > > > The missing and definitely not to be taken seriously under any
> > > circumstances
> > > > garden gnome
> > > > http://www.2000cn.com.au/~willow
> > > >
> > > > ~~faeries are able to fly because they take themselves lightly~
> > > > Trish > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > Willow wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >snip<
> > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.2000cn.com.au/~willow/DSC00603.jpg
> > > > > > http://www.2000cn.com.au/~willow/DSC00604.jpg
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm pretty sure this is the same tree that is at the Richmond
> > showground
> > > > > where they have the swap meets. If this is the same thing I'm
> thinking
> > > > > of, I have only seen it in a Bonsai form, but the name of it is on
> the
> > > > > tip of my tongue (the word Japonica keeps springing into my head,
> but
> > I
> > > > > don't think that's it?). There is a Bonsai place just down from
me,
> > I'll
> > > > > go and
> > > > > check it out this week. (Curiosity is getting the better of me
now!)
> > > > > Or you could ring the Council in that area, maybe they'll tell
you?
> > > > >
> > > > > Trish.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Trish Stadelmaier
> > > > > Equinox Audio
> > > > > http://www.equinoxaudio.com.au
> > > > >
> > > > > Sydney Australia
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Angela Higginson]

Hi Willow,

Chinese Elms are considered a weed (but not a declared noxious weed) in
Brisbane, because they seed so freely and tend to take over very
easily. However, they are beautiful trees, and you can't kill them with
a brick (god knows, I've tried!)

I have seen them suggested in gardening magazines for more southerly
climates, where they are less liable to take over the world.

Try this site:
http://www.qld.greeningaustralia.org.au/weedguide/index.html
It's got a pretty good description & closeup picture, in case you're
still not sure of the ID. Our chinese elms do have the duller leaves
and they're definitely slightly serrated.

Good luck,
Angela.



Willow wrote:
>
> Environmental weed? Not one of the aussie sites I looked at mentioned that
> it was a weed. I'm now looking at planting some dwarf sugar gums (eucalyptus
> cladocalyx 'nana') & maybe a weeping mulberry. Don't know what to do with
> all the cuttings I took of the chinese elm, although one friend has
> indicated that he's interested in using some of them for bonsai if they
> take.
>
> --
> Wanda
> aka Willow
> The missing and definitely not to be taken seriously under any circumstances
> garden gnome
> http://www.2000cn.com.au/~willow
>
> ~~faeries are able to fly because they take themselves lightly~
> J & A Haig > wrote in message
> u...
> > Hi, Willow,
> >
> > yeah like Wallaby said, need close-up of leaves and bark as a minimum.
> Any
> > sign underneath of old flowers or seeds/fruits/pods? I really doubt the
> > Chinese elms report too. Not the same upright habit we see in them here.
> > Don't even think along those lines - major environmental weed!
> >
> > Sorry, back to the camera!
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > "Willow" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > True. I didn't think there was much hope. I did call the council & the
> > woman
> > > there was very helpful. She said it was a chinese elm, although I've
> been
> > > looking at pictures on the net & I'm not completely convinced as the
> leaf
> > > shape is different (the pictures didn't show a serated leaf) & is quite
> > > shiny whereas the ones around work are duller.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Wanda
> > > aka Willow
> > > The missing and definitely not to be taken seriously under any
> > circumstances
> > > garden gnome
> > > http://www.2000cn.com.au/~willow
> > >
> > > ~~faeries are able to fly because they take themselves lightly~
> > > Wallaby Walker > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Willow, the only way you can get an ID on this tree is not from a
> > distant
> > > > photo (it's just a tree). You need to take photos of the leaves in
> > detail
> > > > and the bark, any other things like seeds and flowers.
> > > > NO ONE can give an ID from that photo.
> > > >
> > > > "Willow" > wrote in
> message
> > > > ...
> > > > > Thanks Trish. I have sent the council an email, but as yet haven't
> > > > received
> > > > > a response. Maybe I should give the phone a try, it's a little more
> > > > > difficult to ignore ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Wanda
> > > > > aka Willow
> > > > > The missing and definitely not to be taken seriously under any
> > > > circumstances
> > > > > garden gnome
> > > > > http://www.2000cn.com.au/~willow
> > > > >
> > > > > ~~faeries are able to fly because they take themselves lightly~
> > > > > Trish > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > Willow wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >snip<
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.2000cn.com.au/~willow/DSC00603.jpg
> > > > > > > http://www.2000cn.com.au/~willow/DSC00604.jpg
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm pretty sure this is the same tree that is at the Richmond
> > > showground
> > > > > > where they have the swap meets. If this is the same thing I'm
> > thinking
> > > > > > of, I have only seen it in a Bonsai form, but the name of it is on
> > the
> > > > > > tip of my tongue (the word Japonica keeps springing into my head,
> > but
> > > I
> > > > > > don't think that's it?). There is a Bonsai place just down from
> me,
> > > I'll
> > > > > > go and
> > > > > > check it out this week. (Curiosity is getting the better of me
> now!)
> > > > > > Or you could ring the Council in that area, maybe they'll tell
> you?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Trish.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Trish Stadelmaier
> > > > > > Equinox Audio
> > > > > > http://www.equinoxaudio.com.au
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sydney Australia
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >

[Willow]

Thanks for the link. The picture doesn't look like the leaves of the tree at
work at all. The leaves are serrated, but are much smaller, dull and are
placed on opposite sides of long twigs (does this make sense?). The leaves
vary in colour from dark green on a tree that's mostly in shade to light
green/yellow on trees that receive full sun for much of the day. As yet I
haven't seen any flowers or fruit on any of the trees.

--
Wanda
aka Willow
The missing and definitely not to be taken seriously under any circumstances
garden gnome
http://www.2000cn.com.au/~willow

~~faeries are able to fly because they take themselves lightly~
Angela Higginson > wrote in message
...
> Hi Willow,
>
> Chinese Elms are considered a weed (but not a declared noxious weed) in
> Brisbane, because they seed so freely and tend to take over very
> easily. However, they are beautiful trees, and you can't kill them with
> a brick (god knows, I've tried!)
>
> I have seen them suggested in gardening magazines for more southerly
> climates, where they are less liable to take over the world.
>
> Try this site:
> http://www.qld.greeningaustralia.org.au/weedguide/index.html
> It's got a pretty good description & closeup picture, in case you're
> still not sure of the ID. Our chinese elms do have the duller leaves
> and they're definitely slightly serrated.
>
> Good luck,
> Angela.
>
>
>
> Willow wrote:
> >
> > Environmental weed? Not one of the aussie sites I looked at mentioned
that
> > it was a weed. I'm now looking at planting some dwarf sugar gums
(eucalyptus
> > cladocalyx 'nana') & maybe a weeping mulberry. Don't know what to do
with
> > all the cuttings I took of the chinese elm, although one friend has
> > indicated that he's interested in using some of them for bonsai if they
> > take.
> >
> > --
> > Wanda
> > aka Willow
> > The missing and definitely not to be taken seriously under any
circumstances
> > garden gnome
> > http://www.2000cn.com.au/~willow
> >
> > ~~faeries are able to fly because they take themselves lightly~
> > J & A Haig > wrote in message
> > u...
> > > Hi, Willow,
> > >
> > > yeah like Wallaby said, need close-up of leaves and bark as a
minimum.
> > Any
> > > sign underneath of old flowers or seeds/fruits/pods? I really doubt
the
> > > Chinese elms report too. Not the same upright habit we see in them
here.
> > > Don't even think along those lines - major environmental weed!
> > >
> > > Sorry, back to the camera!
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > "Willow" > wrote in
message
> > > ...
> > > > True. I didn't think there was much hope. I did call the council &
the
> > > woman
> > > > there was very helpful. She said it was a chinese elm, although I've
> > been
> > > > looking at pictures on the net & I'm not completely convinced as the
> > leaf
> > > > shape is different (the pictures didn't show a serated leaf) & is
quite
> > > > shiny whereas the ones around work are duller.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Wanda
> > > > aka Willow
> > > > The missing and definitely not to be taken seriously under any
> > > circumstances
> > > > garden gnome
> > > > http://www.2000cn.com.au/~willow
> > > >
> > > > ~~faeries are able to fly because they take themselves lightly~
> > > > Wallaby Walker > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > Willow, the only way you can get an ID on this tree is not from a
> > > distant
> > > > > photo (it's just a tree). You need to take photos of the leaves
in
> > > detail
> > > > > and the bark, any other things like seeds and flowers.
> > > > > NO ONE can give an ID from that photo.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Willow" > wrote in
> > message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > Thanks Trish. I have sent the council an email, but as yet
haven't
> > > > > received
> > > > > > a response. Maybe I should give the phone a try, it's a little
more
> > > > > > difficult to ignore ;)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Wanda
> > > > > > aka Willow
> > > > > > The missing and definitely not to be taken seriously under any
> > > > > circumstances
> > > > > > garden gnome
> > > > > > http://www.2000cn.com.au/~willow
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ~~faeries are able to fly because they take themselves lightly~
> > > > > > Trish > wrote in message
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > Willow wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >snip<
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > http://www.2000cn.com.au/~willow/DSC00603.jpg
> > > > > > > > http://www.2000cn.com.au/~willow/DSC00604.jpg
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm pretty sure this is the same tree that is at the Richmond
> > > > showground
> > > > > > > where they have the swap meets. If this is the same thing I'm
> > > thinking
> > > > > > > of, I have only seen it in a Bonsai form, but the name of it
is on
> > > the
> > > > > > > tip of my tongue (the word Japonica keeps springing into my
head,
> > > but
> > > > I
> > > > > > > don't think that's it?). There is a Bonsai place just down
from
> > me,
> > > > I'll
> > > > > > > go and
> > > > > > > check it out this week. (Curiosity is getting the better of me
> > now!)
> > > > > > > Or you could ring the Council in that area, maybe they'll tell
> > you?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Trish.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Trish Stadelmaier
> > > > > > > Equinox Audio
> > > > > > > http://www.equinoxaudio.com.au
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sydney Australia
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >

[dave]

argh!!! Please dont even think of growing chinese elm anywhere...

David

[Willow]

Thought forgotten. I had another call from the council where the trees are
used on the council verge. Apparently they sucker like crazy if their roots
are disturbed. The guy who called highly recommended that the trees are only
planted if a creeper, such as ivy, is grown to reduce the amount of root
disturbance & to act as a mulch. There's no way in hell I want ivy in any
part of my garden & so will look into other options, such as a Dwarf Sugar
Gum or three.

--
Wanda
aka Willow
The missing and definitely not to be taken seriously under any circumstances
garden gnome
http://www.2000cn.com.au/~willow

~~faeries are able to fly because they take themselves lightly~
dave > wrote in message
u...
> argh!!! Please dont even think of growing chinese elm anywhere...
>
> David