Getting rid of ants

[Jen]

With all this talk of removing the ants to get rid of the aphids - Does
anyone have some good ways to get rid of them (the ants, that is)?

Jen

[gardenlen]

g'day jen,

did you check our web site on the remedies page?

if they are in poits then drown them out.



On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 05:59:20 GMT, "Jen" >
wrote:

>With all this talk of removing the ants to get rid of the aphids - Does
>anyone have some good ways to get rid of them (the ants, that is)?
>
>Jen
>

With peace and brightest of blessings,

len

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May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
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[Dave -Turner[_1_]]

from what ive read - mix some borax powder with some powdered sugar, they
take it into their nests and eat it and get food poisoning. interestingly
borax is used in some French caviars, but despite its use as a pesticide its
LD50 is similar to that of table salt. I still wouldnt wanna eat it though

in regards to ant control with aphids im hoping a circle of borax-sugar
around each rose bush will take care of the resident ants and allow more
predators to get stuck into the aphids

its probably safer to use borax-sugar than something like Ant Dust, but then
Ant Dust is probably more ant specific so wont kill as many other insects,
so im not sure what the best option is

[Jen]

"Dave -Turner" > wrote in message
...
> from what ive read - mix some borax powder with some powdered sugar, they
> take it into their nests and eat it and get food poisoning. interestingly
> borax is used in some French caviars, but despite its use as a pesticide
> its LD50 is similar to that of table salt. I still wouldnt wanna eat it
> though


Dogs and cats will probably eat it though, wouldn't they?

I've just checked my roses, and I was really shocked to see no aphids yet -
I guess it's still a bit cold for them. I did see some ants wondering
around the wall behind them though, I think they nest in the mortar. I'll
work on getting rid of the ants straight away, and see how I go with the
aphids. Thanks

Jen

[Dave -Turner[_1_]]

There might be Ant Dust or something similar that has a repellent in it like
Bitrex so that might be the way to go if pets can get near

by the way if you do end up with aphids, before you hose the plant down
check underneath each leaf near where the aphids are and you might be lucky
enough to find a cluster of 10-50 ladybug eggs - they should hatch within a
week

[SG1]

"Jen" > wrote in message
...
> With all this talk of removing the ants to get rid of the aphids - Does
> anyone have some good ways to get rid of them (the ants, that is)?
>
> Jen
>
I use cabbage dust around the ant holes. Works wonders under the hills
hoist.
Inside I use honey & borax powder. We used to be over run in the kitchen
when we first moved in, took about 3 years to convince them the kitchen was
MY domain not their's.
Jim

[Rayband]

Anyone have a safe suggestion to get rid of a large nest in my 800mm
cermamic pot containing dwarf lime tree.
I dont want to kill the tree or transfer chemicals to the tree???

[Terryc]

Rayband wrote:
> Anyone have a safe suggestion to get rid of a large nest in my 800mm
> cermamic pot containing dwarf lime tree.
> I dont want to kill the tree or transfer chemicals to the tree???

do you have a 1 metre tub[1] that you could transfer the pot to?
them fill with water, leave 24 hours and drain.

[1] Perhaps a large plastic bag will do the trick. All you really need
to do is drive out all the air for 24 hours.

[gardenlen]

g'day rayband,

yep drowining them out is usuall the way to go, but with a heavy pot
that can be difficult so maybe set some baits on the pot and around
it, this does take time to work though.

another you could do and what is needed to keep the ants out of the
pots in the first place is! have the pot standing on some pot legs or
bits of broken tile in a deepish rather than shallow tray and keep the
tray full of water this prevents the ants from getting to ground, but
be sure that no part of the plant touches anything else plant or wall
whatever or the ants will form a bridge. then keep the pot satured
with a lot of watering for a few days.

the best remedy is prevention keep them out of your pots then they
won't do any harm to the potted plant in the different ways they can.
even if they just nest in the medium they tend to make it water
resistant.

On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:35:26 +1000, "Rayband" > wrote:

>Anyone have a safe suggestion to get rid of a large nest in my 800mm
>cermamic pot containing dwarf lime tree.
>I dont want to kill the tree or transfer chemicals to the tree???
>
>

With peace and brightest of blessings,

len

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May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

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[John Savage]

"Dave -Turner" > writes:
>from what ive read - mix some borax powder with some powdered sugar, they
>take it into their nests and eat it and get food poisoning. interestingly
>borax is used in some French caviars, but despite its use as a pesticide its
>LD50 is similar to that of table salt. I still wouldnt wanna eat it though

My Mum has an early well-worn recipe book, the collected wisdom of late 19th
through to mid-20th century Australian women. Along with recipes for jugged
hare, making your own vinegar from plums, and making bread using wild yeasts
harvested from the air and cultured on mashed potato, was a method for
keeping milk for up to 3 days without refrigeration. It involved disolving
borax (at quantities something like a tablespoonful per pint, from memory)
in the milk.

Evidently, it must work without poisoning the consumer, though I've never
tried it.
--
John Savage (my news address is not valid for email)

[ant[_5_]]

John Savage wrote:
> "Dave -Turner" > writes:
> > from what ive read - mix some borax powder with some powdered
> > sugar, they take it into their nests and eat it and get food
> > poisoning. interestingly borax is used in some French caviars, but
> > despite its use as a pesticide its LD50 is similar to that of table
> > salt. I still wouldnt wanna eat it though
>
> My Mum has an early well-worn recipe book, the collected wisdom of
> late 19th through to mid-20th century Australian women. Along with
> recipes for jugged hare, making your own vinegar from plums, and
> making bread using wild yeasts harvested from the air and cultured on
> mashed potato, was a method for keeping milk for up to 3 days without
> refrigeration. It involved disolving borax (at quantities something
> like a tablespoonful per pint, from memory) in the milk.
>
> Evidently, it must work without poisoning the consumer, though I've
> never tried it.

Boron's a mineral, isn't it?

I'm planning to get a crapload of borax and sugar, as the ant thing is huge
on my place, and every struggling tree I see has a parade of ants on it. I'm
a-gonna git them!

Am a bit concerned about animals though, especially the dogs. Do they eat
it? Do they get poisoned?


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[gardenlen]

g'day ant,

don't think it will kill a mammal as such and probably not tenough to
make them sick? with the ants they take it back to the nest and feed
the queen and the young and it is them ants that die, and when that
happens i guess the domino effect takes place and that is the end of
the nest.

you could mix the borax in honey as well, or make the sugar miz tacky
solluable, and also to keep the weather out and maybe pets away use a
1/2 gal icecream container over the bait tray. you only need use jam
jar lids or even bottle lids.



On Sat, 2 Sep 2006 10:29:41 +1000, "ant" >
wrote:

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len

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[Farm1]

"ant" > wrote in message

> Boron's a mineral, isn't it?

Yes but needed in small quantities.
>
> I'm planning to get a crapload of borax and sugar, as the ant thing
is huge
> on my place, and every struggling tree I see has a parade of ants on
it. I'm
> a-gonna git them!
>
> Am a bit concerned about animals though, especially the dogs. Do
they eat
> it? Do they get poisoned?

Humans can be poisoned by Borax so I assume that dogs (being mammals)
could be too.

Why don't you just find the ant nests (look under rocks etc) and put
the mix in the holes or under the rocks where the nests are likely to
be or set up stations under heavy rocks that the dogs can't get to.

[John Savage]

"SG1" > writes:
>I use cabbage dust around the ant holes. Works wonders under the hills
>hoist.
>Inside I use honey & borax powder. We used to be over run in the kitchen
>when we first moved in, took about 3 years to convince them the kitchen was
>MY domain not their's.

There seem to be two broad categories of ants that you'll find in the
kitchen: those after sweet things such as sugar, honey, jam, etc., and
those after meat or fat. I expect the honey + borax lure will only get
the first ones. Those in the second category love cheese and bacon crumbs
from a pizza, but I found they wouldn't touch sugar or honey.

I do wonder whether there might be meat-loving ants in the garden that
go around collecting grubs off the cabbages, and aphids off radish
leaves, etc. Can anyone vouch for this? Maybe not all ants in the garden
are undesirable.
--
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[ant[_5_]]

Where do you get Borax from?! I tried Bunnings (I hate bunnings) and Coles
(hate them too) and neither had it. Where do you get it from?

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[Jen]

"ant" > wrote in message
...
> Where do you get Borax from?! I tried Bunnings (I hate bunnings) and Coles
> (hate them too) and neither had it. Where do you get it from?

I just got some from foodworks, but I'm sure Coles and other supermarkets
would have it as well. You'll find it in the laundry section, with washing
powders and stain removers.

Jen

[Farm1]

"ant" > wrote in message

> Where do you get Borax from?!

You should find it in the Laundry soap section of a supermarket. It's
prime use (domestically) is for washing things like blankets. The
brand I use is Hovex and it's in a plastic container about the sixe of
a smallish can of corn.

[Farm1]

"John Savage" > wrote in message

> I do wonder whether there might be meat-loving ants in the garden
that
> go around collecting grubs off the cabbages, and aphids off radish
> leaves, etc. Can anyone vouch for this? Maybe not all ants in the
garden
> are undesirable.

I used to do furniture making classes with a world wide expert on
ants. For some reason the Japanese are fascinated with ants and he
was always either being filmed or interviewed by them or asked to
Japan to talk about them Lord knows what the film crews thought of
some of the places he used to drag them off to.

Can't remember his surname now but he was Dr. Bob Something or other.
At lunch time we would always find some sort of ant and he would
instantly say: "It's a 'xxxx xxxx'" giving it's Latin name and then he
would either squash it because it was an introduced species or
carefully put it right back where we found it if it was a native ant.

Anyway, I know that I have at least 5 different types of ants in my
garden. I haven't a clue what they are except black, brown and blue.
They have never bothered me except when they have bitten me (rarely)
or done damage to anything that I can identify. In fact the big 1cm
long brown ants have been the most reliable forecasters of rain that
we can identify with the exception of the Black Cockatoos. When the
big brown ants start building up dam walls around the entrance to
their nests we know it is going to rain. I've never had any need to
poison ants outside but have had to do so in the kitchen.

[ant[_5_]]

Farm1 wrote:
> "ant" > wrote in message
>
> > Where do you get Borax from?!
>
> You should find it in the Laundry soap section of a supermarket. It's
> prime use (domestically) is for washing things like blankets. The
> brand I use is Hovex and it's in a plastic container about the sixe of
> a smallish can of corn.

I did look there, and didn't see it.
Might be buried under all the stuff that pays more for a better spot in the
supermarket. It's a particularly crappy Coles, this one.

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[gardenlen]

g'day john,

i don't find any ant undesirable in the garden it is only those times
they bring in aphids etc.,. they have hteir part to play in recycling
in the garden eg.,. when we last lived in the 'burbs we would do the
torch safari and squish those snails and the ants would clean up the
dead critters. even termites in the garden are a benefit.

not sure about ants just try to live with them, but up in the bush we
had a lot of what i know as meat ants a fairly large ant, that created
food trails through the grass dunno how they did it? but they had
clear walkways to regular food sources, and they collected lots of
fallen bugs or whatever they could find but they still
harvested/farmed scale instect. so i would be guessing that most ants
will like sweets after the main meal huh chuckle?

an amazing ant to watch they where, if it was going to rain heavily
their food collecting activity was dramatically escalated and they
where far less tollerant of you getting in their road then the only
time i ahve ever been bitten by them, if the night was going to be
cold they would have the dark coloured stones on top of their nest to
gather heat so they could take them down and warm whatever part of the
nest they needed warming, then the opposite in summer they had the
lighter stones on top.

i've seen before when the ants are hurredly removing the aphids down
to the roots of the roses you can count on it raining heavily.



On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 11:56:48 GMT, John Savage
> wrote:

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len

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[Farm1]

"ant" > wrote in message
> Farm1 wrote:
> > "ant" > wrote in message
> >
> > > Where do you get Borax from?!
> >
> > You should find it in the Laundry soap section of a supermarket.
It's
> > prime use (domestically) is for washing things like blankets. The
> > brand I use is Hovex and it's in a plastic container about the
sixe of
> > a smallish can of corn.
>
> I did look there, and didn't see it.

Now was that a boy's look or a girl's look? And did you look high on
the shelves and low on the shelves? Slow movers like Borax would
probably be either high or low on the shelves.

You could try some of the more "ethnic" supermarkets like the one at
Karabar. If you have trouble getting it, let me know and I'll get
some at my local and send it to you.

[George.com]

"Jonno" > wrote in message
...
> SG1 wrote:
> > I got mine from PharmacyDirect, but that is what happens when the
nearest
> > big supmarket is 100 miles not those new fangled french things
(kilometres).
> > Jim
> >
> >
> Chemist as always...its a chemical...
> Probably cheaper to "find" it at Coles or Woolies
> But have you got the time?

in NZ we can get it through farm merchants in bulk lots (10/20/30 kg bags).
Works out cheap though the bag last ages. I guess Aus farm merchants would
sell it as well.

rob

[Jen]

"ant" > wrote in message
...
> Farm1 wrote:
>> "ant" > wrote in message
>>
>> > Where do you get Borax from?!
>>
>> You should find it in the Laundry soap section of a supermarket. It's
>> prime use (domestically) is for washing things like blankets. The
>> brand I use is Hovex and it's in a plastic container about the sixe of
>> a smallish can of corn.
>
> I did look there, and didn't see it.
> Might be buried under all the stuff that pays more for a better spot in
> the supermarket. It's a particularly crappy Coles, this one.


I found it right next to washing soda, I think fabric softeners were very
close too. Mu one was by Harpers in a 500g white plastic container with a
red lid. It's only a small supermarket too.

Hopefully that'll help.

Jen

Jen

[ant[_5_]]

Farm1 wrote:
> "ant" > wrote in message
> > Farm1 wrote:
> > > "ant" > wrote in message
> > >
> > > > Where do you get Borax from?!
> > >
> > > You should find it in the Laundry soap section of a supermarket.
> > > It's prime use (domestically) is for washing things like
> > > blankets. The brand I use is Hovex and it's in a plastic
> > > container about the sixe of a smallish can of corn.
> >
> > I did look there, and didn't see it.
>
> Now was that a boy's look or a girl's look? And did you look high on
> the shelves and low on the shelves? Slow movers like Borax would
> probably be either high or low on the shelves.
>
> You could try some of the more "ethnic" supermarkets like the one at
> Karabar. If you have trouble getting it, let me know and I'll get
> some at my local and send it to you.

It was probably hidden with the washing soda! I'm going to put my brother on
the job, he'll find it.

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[ant[_5_]]

Jen wrote:

> I found it right next to washing soda, I think fabric softeners were
> very close too. Mu one was by Harpers in a 500g white plastic
> container with a red lid. It's only a small supermarket too.

argh, I knew it! Rotten coles.

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[SG1]

I got mine from PharmacyDirect, but that is what happens when the nearest
big supmarket is 100 miles not those new fangled french things (kilometres).
Jim

[Jonno[_1_]]

SG1 wrote:
> I got mine from PharmacyDirect, but that is what happens when the nearest
> big supmarket is 100 miles not those new fangled french things (kilometres).
> Jim
>
>
Chemist as always...its a chemical...
Probably cheaper to "find" it at Coles or Woolies
But have you got the time?

[ant[_5_]]

George.com wrote:
> "Jonno" > wrote in message
> ...
> > SG1 wrote:
> > > I got mine from PharmacyDirect, but that is what happens when the
> > > nearest big supmarket is 100 miles not those new fangled french
> > > things (kilometres). Jim
> > >
> > >
> > Chemist as always...its a chemical...
> > Probably cheaper to "find" it at Coles or Woolies
> > But have you got the time?
>
> in NZ we can get it through farm merchants in bulk lots (10/20/30 kg
> bags). Works out cheap though the bag last ages. I guess Aus farm
> merchants would sell it as well.

I was wondering about that. There's a big one in Fyshwick but they open
tradesmen hours. Might have to nip out at lunchtime. A big bag is what I
need.


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[Jen]

"George.com" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Jonno" > wrote in message
> ...
>> SG1 wrote:
>> > I got mine from PharmacyDirect, but that is what happens when the
> nearest
>> > big supmarket is 100 miles not those new fangled french things
> (kilometres).
>> > Jim
>> >
>> >
>> Chemist as always...its a chemical...
>> Probably cheaper to "find" it at Coles or Woolies
>> But have you got the time?
>
> in NZ we can get it through farm merchants in bulk lots (10/20/30 kg
> bags).
> Works out cheap though the bag last ages. I guess Aus farm merchants would
> sell it as well.


Why would anyone need such big bags? What else is it used for?

Jen

[Farm1]

"Jen" > wrote in message
> "George.com" > wrote in message

> > in NZ we can get it through farm merchants in bulk lots (10/20/30
kg
> > bags).
> > Works out cheap though the bag last ages. I guess Aus farm
merchants would
> > sell it as well.
>
>
> Why would anyone need such big bags? What else is it used for?

Boron deficient soil. It's an important trace element but you'd need
a lot of land and to be growing lots of cabbages in boron deficient
soil.

[ant[_5_]]

Farm1 wrote:
> "Jen" > wrote in message
> > "George.com" > wrote in message
>
> > > in NZ we can get it through farm merchants in bulk lots (10/20/30
> > > kg bags).
> > > Works out cheap though the bag last ages. I guess Aus farm
> > > merchants would sell it as well.
> >
> >
> > Why would anyone need such big bags? What else is it used for?
>
> Boron deficient soil. It's an important trace element but you'd need
> a lot of land and to be growing lots of cabbages in boron deficient
> soil.

And getting those mongrel ants. I'll have to suspend operations for a week
though, there's some big rain coming in.

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[Jen]

"ant" > wrote in message
...
> Farm1 wrote:
>> "Jen" > wrote in message
>> > "George.com" > wrote in message
>>
>> > > in NZ we can get it through farm merchants in bulk lots (10/20/30
>> > > kg bags).
>> > > Works out cheap though the bag last ages. I guess Aus farm
>> > > merchants would sell it as well.
>> >
>> >
>> > Why would anyone need such big bags? What else is it used for?
>>
>> Boron deficient soil. It's an important trace element but you'd need
>> a lot of land and to be growing lots of cabbages in boron deficient
>> soil.
>
> And getting those mongrel ants. I'll have to suspend operations for a week
> though, there's some big rain coming in.

Surely that would be enough to annihilate the whole race of ants. Unless of
course you have giant mutant ants of some sort. ;)

Jen

[Farm1]

"ant" > wrote in message
...
> Farm1 wrote:
> > "Jen" > wrote in message
> > > "George.com" > wrote in message
> >
> > > > in NZ we can get it through farm merchants in bulk lots
(10/20/30
> > > > kg bags).
> > > > Works out cheap though the bag last ages. I guess Aus farm
> > > > merchants would sell it as well.
> > >
> > >
> > > Why would anyone need such big bags? What else is it used for?
> >
> > Boron deficient soil. It's an important trace element but you'd
need
> > a lot of land and to be growing lots of cabbages in boron
deficient
> > soil.
>
> And getting those mongrel ants. I'll have to suspend operations for
a week
> though, there's some big rain coming in.

You won't need anything near 10-30 kg to deal with ants. If you use
that much then you'll have effectively poisoned your soil.

[Farm1]

"Jen" > wrote in message
> "ant" > wrote in message
> > Farm1 wrote:
> >> "Jen" > wrote in message
> >> > "George.com" > wrote in message
> >>
> >> > > in NZ we can get it through farm merchants in bulk lots
(10/20/30
> >> > > kg bags).
> >> > > Works out cheap though the bag last ages. I guess Aus farm
> >> > > merchants would sell it as well.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Why would anyone need such big bags? What else is it used for?
> >>
> >> Boron deficient soil. It's an important trace element but you'd
need
> >> a lot of land and to be growing lots of cabbages in boron
deficient
> >> soil.
> >
> > And getting those mongrel ants. I'll have to suspend operations
for a week
> > though, there's some big rain coming in.
>
> Surely that would be enough to annihilate the whole race of ants.
Unless of
> course you have giant mutant ants of some sort. ;)

Hmmmmm. Given his name, is he wanting to wipe out the relatives?
:-))))))

[ant[_5_]]

Farm1 wrote:
> "ant" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Farm1 wrote:
> > > "Jen" > wrote in message
> > > > "George.com" > wrote in message
> > >
> > > > > in NZ we can get it through farm merchants in bulk lots
> > > > > (10/20/30 kg bags).
> > > > > Works out cheap though the bag last ages. I guess Aus farm
> > > > > merchants would sell it as well.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Why would anyone need such big bags? What else is it used for?
> > >
> > > Boron deficient soil. It's an important trace element but you'd
> > > need a lot of land and to be growing lots of cabbages in boron
> > > deficient soil.
> >
> > And getting those mongrel ants. I'll have to suspend operations for
> > a week though, there's some big rain coming in.
>
> You won't need anything near 10-30 kg to deal with ants. If you use
> that much then you'll have effectively poisoned your soil.

10kg would be too much for 16 acres?

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[SG1]

"ant" > wrote in message
...
> Farm1 wrote:
>> "ant" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Farm1 wrote:
>> > > "Jen" > wrote in message
>> > > > "George.com" > wrote in message
>> > >
>> > > > > in NZ we can get it through farm merchants in bulk lots
>> > > > > (10/20/30 kg bags).
>> > > > > Works out cheap though the bag last ages. I guess Aus farm
>> > > > > merchants would sell it as well.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Why would anyone need such big bags? What else is it used for?
>> > >
>> > > Boron deficient soil. It's an important trace element but you'd
>> > > need a lot of land and to be growing lots of cabbages in boron
>> > > deficient soil.
>> >
>> > And getting those mongrel ants. I'll have to suspend operations for
>> > a week though, there's some big rain coming in.
>>
>> You won't need anything near 10-30 kg to deal with ants. If you use
>> that much then you'll have effectively poisoned your soil.
>
> 10kg would be too much for 16 acres?
>
> --
The idea is to get rid of the nests that cause a problem, NOT scar the
earth. Ants are there for a purpose, great scavengers & cleaner-uppers. You
actually need them
Jim

[Farm1]

"ant" > wrote in message
> Farm1 wrote:
> > "ant" > wrote in message

> > > And getting those mongrel ants. I'll have to suspend operations
for
> > > a week though, there's some big rain coming in.
> >
> > You won't need anything near 10-30 kg to deal with ants. If you
use
> > that much then you'll have effectively poisoned your soil.
>
> 10kg would be too much for 16 acres?

Have you done any searches on how much boron you use in an ant killing
station? My understanding is that it is something like tablespoon of
boron to about a half cup of icing sugar. If you use too much borax
on the basis of more is better then that is not so. The ants are not
attracted to the borax but to the icing sugar and they will not take
the bait unless it appeals to them. I know that with boron deficiency
in cabbages, the rate of application is a teaspoon/gallon of water.
That is a tiny amount of Borax and is for an identified deficiency.
Even for apple trees that produce "corky" fruit the remedy is only 4oz
for a mature tree - again a tiny amount.

Boron is a very minutely needed trace element and I would be very
cautious with how much you used and where. My reaction would be to
try to get rid of the problem bringing the ants and to try to use
white oil or some similar mild form of bug control rather than to risk
killing every ant on the place and poisoning your soil. And I'd be
using it only close tot he house if that is where your main problems
of ant infestation and because of incursion into the house.Start small
is always I think a better policy till you see what will occur.

[ant[_5_]]

SG1 wrote:

> The idea is to get rid of the nests that cause a problem, NOT scar the
> earth. Ants are there for a purpose, great scavengers &
> cleaner-uppers. You actually need them

They're wrecking my trees. Maybe I won't kill all of them though,
occasionally a large echidna appears but he doesn't seem to be eating very
many.


--
ant
Don't try to email me;
I'm borrowing the spammer du jour's addy

[GreenieLeBrun]

ant wrote:
> SG1 wrote:
>
> > The idea is to get rid of the nests that cause a problem, NOT scar the
> > earth. Ants are there for a purpose, great scavengers &
> > cleaner-uppers. You actually need them
>
> They're wrecking my trees. Maybe I won't kill all of them though,
> occasionally a large echidna appears but he doesn't seem to be eating very
> many.
>
>
> --
> ant
> Don't try to email me;
> I'm borrowing the spammer du jour's addy

What are they doing that makes you think it is the ants that are
wrecking your trees and what sort of trees are being effected?

The ants may be just a symptom and not the cause of the damage to your
trees.

[Jen]

"GreenieLeBrun" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> ant wrote:
>> SG1 wrote:
>>
>> > The idea is to get rid of the nests that cause a problem, NOT scar the
>> > earth. Ants are there for a purpose, great scavengers &
>> > cleaner-uppers. You actually need them
>>
>> They're wrecking my trees. Maybe I won't kill all of them though,
>> occasionally a large echidna appears but he doesn't seem to be eating
>> very
>> many.


How do ants wreck trees? Just wondering. :)

Jen

[ant[_5_]]

Sigh. Again. Many of the trees I've planted (several hundred so far) over
the past 13 years or so are covered in scale/sticky/sooty stuff, and every
struggling tree is covered in ants. If a tree looks "clean", but later has
ants walking all over it, it invariably ends up with this disease on it, and
suffers a set back. I never knew what the connection was with ants, but knew
that ants meant the tree was in for it.

Some trees that were doing well, now are dead.

This area seems to have a lot of ants, and I think there are termites here
too.



--
ant
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[Farm1]

"ant" > wrote in message
> Sigh. Again. Many of the trees I've planted (several hundred so far)
over
> the past 13 years or so are covered in scale/sticky/sooty stuff, and
every
> struggling tree is covered in ants. If a tree looks "clean", but
later has
> ants walking all over it, it invariably ends up with this disease on
it, and
> suffers a set back. I never knew what the connection was with ants,
but knew
> that ants meant the tree was in for it.

I can understand why you are sighing as I'm sitting here doing the
same thing.

I'd like to know, after you nuke all the ants on your property and get
rid of them, do you think the scale and sooty mould will automatically
disappear?

> Some trees that were doing well, now are dead.

That isn't surprising as you clearly have a problem, but is it the
ants or are there other underlying problems?

> This area seems to have a lot of ants, and I think there are
termites here
> too.

Not long ago you told me of a property down the hill below you and
which you overlook. I'm fairly sure I know that place (is it on a
corner with a dam at the bottom of the hill and asmall bareish paddock
right on the corner?) If it is that place then I'd have to say that
it shines like a beacon in an otherwise relatively barren landscape.

You wrote about how well the trees there had done and the care the
owners took to grow those trees and just how well their trees had
grown. Do the ants and termites in your area stay within the bounds
of your property or does the "area" having lots of ants mean that the
ants occur beyond your property line? Does the well treed property
have ants? If they don't have ants and termites there now, did they
ever? What care do they give to their trees that you don't (or can't)
give to yours? Did they nuke all the ants or did they do something
else that made the trees grow so that they look so strong and healthy?
Do they have bird life that you don't? Do they feed and water their
trees? Do they grow different trees to you? In short, why can they
do it but you can't?

You say "many" of your trees have scale. Is it one species that does
or is it a mix of all the trees?

[Jen]

"ant" > wrote in message
...
> Sigh. Again. Many of the trees I've planted (several hundred so far) over
> the past 13 years or so are covered in scale/sticky/sooty stuff, and every
> struggling tree is covered in ants. If a tree looks "clean", but later has
> ants walking all over it, it invariably ends up with this disease on it,
> and suffers a set back. I never knew what the connection was with ants,
> but knew that ants meant the tree was in for it.


I know the discussion here has been about the ants bringing scale and aphids
to plants. But I think with that much of a problem, surely just getting rid
of the ants isn't going to do that much good. There must be other problems
causing all these bugs. Maybe the trees have a problem that they can't
stand up to the bugs.

Jen

[GreenieLeBrun]

ant wrote:
> Sigh. Again. Many of the trees I've planted (several hundred so far) over
> the past 13 years or so are covered in scale/sticky/sooty stuff, and every
> struggling tree is covered in ants. If a tree looks "clean", but later has
> ants walking all over it, it invariably ends up with this disease on it, and
> suffers a set back. I never knew what the connection was with ants, but knew
> that ants meant the tree was in for it.
>
> Some trees that were doing well, now are dead.
>
> This area seems to have a lot of ants, and I think there are termites here
> too.
>
>
>
> --
> ant
> Don't try to email me;
> I'm borrowing the spammer du jour's addy

The ants are not the cause of your problem. They are feeding on the
sweet exudate from the scale inscects. The sooty mould is also a result
of the sugary exudate. Control the scale and the ants and mould will go
away.

How do you control the scale? There are a number of ways. Oil emusions
(white oil, pest oil etc.) are very effective.

http://www.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/information_about_plants/pests_diseases/fact_sheets/scale_insects

http://www.greenharvest.com.au/fact_sheets/fs_scale.html

Killing the ants will NOT solve your problem.

[garyweddell@sbcglobal.net]

I personally use the product I found at
http://www.natural-ant-killer.com. It will not harm your plants or
trees and it is 100% effective.

In fact you will find that your trees will flourish because the
solution works as a fertilizer. It does this because it contains a
natural surfactant that breaks down the molecules of water which will
penetrate the waxy coating of the ants and instantly drown them.

At the same time, it works as a fertilizer because the smaller
molecules get down deeper in the soil.

I have to say it is the best thing I have found on the market and I
will never, ever use anything else!

?

[Chris Warr]

Where did you get it from?

Chris.

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>I personally use the product I found at
> http://www.natural-ant-killer.com. It will not harm your plants or
> trees and it is 100% effective.
>
> In fact you will find that your trees will flourish because the
> solution works as a fertilizer. It does this because it contains a
> natural surfactant that breaks down the molecules of water which will
> penetrate the waxy coating of the ants and instantly drown them.
>
> At the same time, it works as a fertilizer because the smaller
> molecules get down deeper in the soil.
>
> I have to say it is the best thing I have found on the market and I
> will never, ever use anything else!
>
> ?
>

[Farm1]

"Chris Warr" > wrote in message
> Where did you get it from?

LOL. Glad someone else spotted the troll too :-))

> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >I personally use the product I found at
> > http://www.natural-ant-killer.com. It will not harm your plants
or
> > trees and it is 100% effective.
> >
> > In fact you will find that your trees will flourish because the
> > solution works as a fertilizer. It does this because it contains
a
> > natural surfactant that breaks down the molecules of water which
will
> > penetrate the waxy coating of the ants and instantly drown them.
> >
> > At the same time, it works as a fertilizer because the smaller
> > molecules get down deeper in the soil.
> >
> > I have to say it is the best thing I have found on the market and
I
> > will never, ever use anything else!
> >
> > ?
> >
>
>