Garden soil prices escalate [Archive]

JoeSpareBedroom

29-03-2007, 04:47 PM

"Harold" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Garden soil prices escalate.
>
> I have just returned from shopping for bagged garden soil for my
> raised garden and found since last season, that not only have they
> increased the price by 60 percent but they have reduced the size of
> the bags by twenty five percent. The soil is made of ground-up
> materials from old buildings that are torn down and allowed to
> compost, lead based paints and all. The processors call the product
> "black gold." I wonder if the inflation gurus take into consideration
> the reduction of the sizes of goods on top of the increased price when
> establishing the inflation rate?
> Harold
> www.raised-garden-bed.com
>

You have a conflicting pair of ideas in what you wrote. First, you said
"garden soil prices", which suggests that ALL garden soil has increased in
price. Then, you mentioned "black gold", which sounds like a brand name.
Matter of fact, it *is* a brand name. I wonder if other brands have NOT
increased in price and had their packages made smaller.

It might be worthwhile to hire a private detective for a day, to assist you
in finding stores which sell a different brand.

Harold[_2_]

29-03-2007, 05:53 PM

On Mar 29, 10:47 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> "Harold" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
>
> > Garden soil prices escalate.
>
> > I have just returned from shopping for bagged garden soil for my
> > raised garden and found since last season, that not only have they
> > increased the price by 60 percent but they have reduced the size of
> > the bags by twenty five percent. The soil is made of ground-up
> > materials from old buildings that are torn down and allowed to
> > compost, lead based paints and all. The processors call the product
> > "black gold." I wonder if the inflation gurus take into consideration
> > the reduction of the sizes of goods on top of the increased price when
> > establishing the inflation rate?
> > Harold
> >www.raised-garden-bed.com
>
> You have a conflicting pair of ideas in what you wrote. First, you said
> "garden soil prices", which suggests that ALL garden soil has increased in
> price. Then, you mentioned "black gold", which sounds like a brand name.
> Matter of fact, it *is* a brand name. I wonder if other brands have NOT
> increased in price and had their packages made smaller.
>
> It might be worthwhile to hire a private detective for a day, to assist you
> in finding stores which sell a different brand.

Thanks for your comments. I went to three mass merchandisers and the
prices have all increased. The phrase "black gold" came from the mouth
of a guy on TV describing the process of taking waste building
material and making it into compost. Last season I was able to buy one
cubic yard of soil for $24.00 but this year the prevailing price is
$48.00 for the same amount of stuff. I would say that such an increase
is quite significant and troubling.
Harold
www.raised-garden-bed.com

betsyb

29-03-2007, 07:21 PM

--

"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the
intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in
one hand, Starbucks in the other, totally worn out and
screaming,

"WOO HOO what a ride!"

BetsyB

"Harold" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Garden soil prices escalate.
>
> I have just returned from shopping for bagged garden soil for my
> raised garden and found since last season, that not only have they
> increased the price by 60 percent but they have reduced the size of
> the bags by twenty five percent. The soil is made of ground-up
> materials from old buildings that are torn down and allowed to
> compost, lead based paints and all. The processors call the product
> "black gold." I wonder if the inflation gurus take into consideration
> the reduction of the sizes of goods on top of the increased price when
> establishing the inflation rate?
> Harold
> www.raised-garden-bed.com
>

I am retired Teamster and know that rising gas/fuel prices control the
prices of everything we buy. Most are truck delivered.

Betsy

JoeSpareBedroom

29-03-2007, 07:27 PM

"Harold" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> On Mar 29, 10:47 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>> "Harold" > wrote in message
>>
>> oups.com...
>>
>> > Garden soil prices escalate.
>>
>> > I have just returned from shopping for bagged garden soil for my
>> > raised garden and found since last season, that not only have they
>> > increased the price by 60 percent but they have reduced the size of
>> > the bags by twenty five percent. The soil is made of ground-up
>> > materials from old buildings that are torn down and allowed to
>> > compost, lead based paints and all. The processors call the product
>> > "black gold." I wonder if the inflation gurus take into consideration
>> > the reduction of the sizes of goods on top of the increased price when
>> > establishing the inflation rate?
>> > Harold
>> >www.raised-garden-bed.com
>>
>> You have a conflicting pair of ideas in what you wrote. First, you said
>> "garden soil prices", which suggests that ALL garden soil has increased
>> in
>> price. Then, you mentioned "black gold", which sounds like a brand name.
>> Matter of fact, it *is* a brand name. I wonder if other brands have NOT
>> increased in price and had their packages made smaller.
>>
>> It might be worthwhile to hire a private detective for a day, to assist
>> you
>> in finding stores which sell a different brand.
>
> Thanks for your comments. I went to three mass merchandisers and the
> prices have all increased. The phrase "black gold" came from the mouth
> of a guy on TV describing the process of taking waste building
> material and making it into compost. Last season I was able to buy one
> cubic yard of soil for $24.00 but this year the prevailing price is
> $48.00 for the same amount of stuff. I would say that such an increase
> is quite significant and troubling.
> Harold
> www.raised-garden-bed.com
>

It sounds like a weird product, so I don't know why you'd buy it to begin
with. And, the main thing contributing to the price increases you've
mentioned is the cost of fuel for vehicles which deliver pretty much
everything. My company ships product by truck, and the per mile rate is up
drastically over the past 18 months.

Harold[_2_]

29-03-2007, 08:31 PM

On Mar 29, 1:27 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> "Harold" > wrote in message
>
> ups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Mar 29, 10:47 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> >> "Harold" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
>
> >> > Garden soil prices escalate.
>
> >> > I have just returned from shopping for bagged garden soil for my
> >> > raised garden and found since last season, that not only have they
> >> > increased the price by 60 percent but they have reduced the size of
> >> > the bags by twenty five percent. The soil is made of ground-up
> >> > materials from old buildings that are torn down and allowed to
> >> > compost, lead based paints and all. The processors call the product
> >> > "black gold." I wonder if the inflation gurus take into consideration
> >> > the reduction of the sizes of goods on top of the increased price when
> >> > establishing the inflation rate?
> >> > Harold
> >> >www.raised-garden-bed.com
>
> >> You have a conflicting pair of ideas in what you wrote. First, you said
> >> "garden soil prices", which suggests that ALL garden soil has increased
> >> in
> >> price. Then, you mentioned "black gold", which sounds like a brand name.
> >> Matter of fact, it *is* a brand name. I wonder if other brands have NOT
> >> increased in price and had their packages made smaller.
>
> >> It might be worthwhile to hire a private detective for a day, to assist
> >> you
> >> in finding stores which sell a different brand.
>
> > Thanks for your comments. I went to three mass merchandisers and the
> > prices have all increased. The phrase "black gold" came from the mouth
> > of a guy on TV describing the process of taking waste building
> > material and making it into compost. Last season I was able to buy one
> > cubic yard of soil for $24.00 but this year the prevailing price is
> > $48.00 for the same amount of stuff. I would say that such an increase
> > is quite significant and troubling.
> > Harold
> >www.raised-garden-bed.com
>
> It sounds like a weird product, so I don't know why you'd buy it to begin
> with. And, the main thing contributing to the price increases you've
> mentioned is the cost of fuel for vehicles which deliver pretty much
> everything. My company ships product by truck, and the per mile rate is up
> drastically over the past 18 months.

My only alternative is to buy it by the truck load which would give me
more than I can use and don't care to have a big pile of dirt in my
yard.

JoeSpareBedroom

29-03-2007, 08:37 PM

"Harold" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Mar 29, 1:27 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>> "Harold" > wrote in message
>>
>> ups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Mar 29, 10:47 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>> >> "Harold" > wrote in message
>>
>> oups.com...
>>
>> >> > Garden soil prices escalate.
>>
>> >> > I have just returned from shopping for bagged garden soil for my
>> >> > raised garden and found since last season, that not only have they
>> >> > increased the price by 60 percent but they have reduced the size of
>> >> > the bags by twenty five percent. The soil is made of ground-up
>> >> > materials from old buildings that are torn down and allowed to
>> >> > compost, lead based paints and all. The processors call the product
>> >> > "black gold." I wonder if the inflation gurus take into
>> >> > consideration
>> >> > the reduction of the sizes of goods on top of the increased price
>> >> > when
>> >> > establishing the inflation rate?
>> >> > Harold
>> >> >www.raised-garden-bed.com
>>
>> >> You have a conflicting pair of ideas in what you wrote. First, you
>> >> said
>> >> "garden soil prices", which suggests that ALL garden soil has
>> >> increased
>> >> in
>> >> price. Then, you mentioned "black gold", which sounds like a brand
>> >> name.
>> >> Matter of fact, it *is* a brand name. I wonder if other brands have
>> >> NOT
>> >> increased in price and had their packages made smaller.
>>
>> >> It might be worthwhile to hire a private detective for a day, to
>> >> assist
>> >> you
>> >> in finding stores which sell a different brand.
>>
>> > Thanks for your comments. I went to three mass merchandisers and the
>> > prices have all increased. The phrase "black gold" came from the mouth
>> > of a guy on TV describing the process of taking waste building
>> > material and making it into compost. Last season I was able to buy one
>> > cubic yard of soil for $24.00 but this year the prevailing price is
>> > $48.00 for the same amount of stuff. I would say that such an increase
>> > is quite significant and troubling.
>> > Harold
>> >www.raised-garden-bed.com
>>
>> It sounds like a weird product, so I don't know why you'd buy it to begin
>> with. And, the main thing contributing to the price increases you've
>> mentioned is the cost of fuel for vehicles which deliver pretty much
>> everything. My company ships product by truck, and the per mile rate is
>> up
>> drastically over the past 18 months.
>
> My only alternative is to buy it by the truck load which would give me
> more than I can use and don't care to have a big pile of dirt in my
> yard.
>

With every response, this gets more interesting. In the beginning, you
referred to bagged soil. Are you saying that where you live, there is no
source of a different brand of bagged soil? There are NO other sources of
BAGGED soil?

AND - this black gold stuff may contain lead and all sorts of other crap.
Were you planning on using it to grow things you plan to eat?

William Wagner

29-03-2007, 10:19 PM

In article >,
"JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:

> "Harold" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > On Mar 29, 1:27 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> >> "Harold" > wrote in message
> >>
> >> ups.com...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > On Mar 29, 10:47 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> >> >> "Harold" > wrote in message
> >>
> >> oups.com...
> >>
> >> >> > Garden soil prices escalate.
> >>
> >> >> > I have just returned from shopping for bagged garden soil for my
> >> >> > raised garden and found since last season, that not only have they
> >> >> > increased the price by 60 percent but they have reduced the size of
> >> >> > the bags by twenty five percent. The soil is made of ground-up
> >> >> > materials from old buildings that are torn down and allowed to
> >> >> > compost, lead based paints and all. The processors call the product
> >> >> > "black gold." I wonder if the inflation gurus take into
> >> >> > consideration
> >> >> > the reduction of the sizes of goods on top of the increased price
> >> >> > when
> >> >> > establishing the inflation rate?
> >> >> > Harold
> >> >> >www.raised-garden-bed.com
> >>
> >> >> You have a conflicting pair of ideas in what you wrote. First, you
> >> >> said
> >> >> "garden soil prices", which suggests that ALL garden soil has
> >> >> increased
> >> >> in
> >> >> price. Then, you mentioned "black gold", which sounds like a brand
> >> >> name.
> >> >> Matter of fact, it *is* a brand name. I wonder if other brands have
> >> >> NOT
> >> >> increased in price and had their packages made smaller.
> >>
> >> >> It might be worthwhile to hire a private detective for a day, to
> >> >> assist
> >> >> you
> >> >> in finding stores which sell a different brand.
> >>
> >> > Thanks for your comments. I went to three mass merchandisers and the
> >> > prices have all increased. The phrase "black gold" came from the mouth
> >> > of a guy on TV describing the process of taking waste building
> >> > material and making it into compost. Last season I was able to buy one
> >> > cubic yard of soil for $24.00 but this year the prevailing price is
> >> > $48.00 for the same amount of stuff. I would say that such an increase
> >> > is quite significant and troubling.
> >> > Harold
> >> >www.raised-garden-bed.com
> >>
> >> It sounds like a weird product, so I don't know why you'd buy it to begin
> >> with. And, the main thing contributing to the price increases you've
> >> mentioned is the cost of fuel for vehicles which deliver pretty much
> >> everything. My company ships product by truck, and the per mile rate is
> >> up
> >> drastically over the past 18 months.
> >
> > My only alternative is to buy it by the truck load which would give me
> > more than I can use and don't care to have a big pile of dirt in my
> > yard.
> >
>
>
> With every response, this gets more interesting. In the beginning, you
> referred to bagged soil. Are you saying that where you live, there is no
> source of a different brand of bagged soil? There are NO other sources of
> BAGGED soil?
>
> AND - this black gold stuff may contain lead and all sorts of other crap.
> Were you planning on using it to grow things you plan to eat?

Harold may live under a bridge.

Bill

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Jangchub

29-03-2007, 11:18 PM

On 29 Mar 2007 08:53:30 -0700, "Harold" > wrote:

>Thanks for your comments. I went to three mass merchandisers and the
>prices have all increased. The phrase "black gold" came from the mouth
>of a guy on TV describing the process of taking waste building
>material and making it into compost. Last season I was able to buy one
>cubic yard of soil for $24.00 but this year the prevailing price is
>$48.00 for the same amount of stuff. I would say that such an increase
>is quite significant and troubling.
>Harold
>www.raised-garden-bed.com

Yeah, and in case you didn't notice, that soil is delivered by rigs
and gas is now almost $3.00 a gallon. So, that is one of the big
reasons why everything has gone up.

Kay Lancaster

30-03-2007, 04:42 AM

On 29 Mar 2007 11:31:11 -0700, Harold > wrote:
> My only alternative is to buy it by the truck load which would give me
> more than I can use and don't care to have a big pile of dirt in my
> yard.

So talk to the neighbors, and split a truckload. Or topdress your lawn
with the remainder. I've ordered half-truckloads before, too... if
you don't care about exact delivery time, one of the local compost suppliers
just waits till someone else wants a half load and delivers half to you
and half to the other person. Or it may be cheaper to get an entire load
and offer the remains on freecycle.

You might also want to add some mineral elements to your raised bed soils,
if you haven't already -- decreases the "shrinkage" of soil over the year,
buffers the soil pH, adds cation exchange capacity, improves drainage and
texture...

Kay

sherwindu

30-03-2007, 09:00 AM

We ought to go back to using trains!

Sherwin D.

betsyb wrote:

> --
>
> "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the
> intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well
> preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in
> one hand, Starbucks in the other, totally worn out and
> screaming,
>
> "WOO HOO what a ride!"
>
> BetsyB
>
> "Harold" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > Garden soil prices escalate.
> >
> > I have just returned from shopping for bagged garden soil for my
> > raised garden and found since last season, that not only have they
> > increased the price by 60 percent but they have reduced the size of
> > the bags by twenty five percent. The soil is made of ground-up
> > materials from old buildings that are torn down and allowed to
> > compost, lead based paints and all. The processors call the product
> > "black gold." I wonder if the inflation gurus take into consideration
> > the reduction of the sizes of goods on top of the increased price when
> > establishing the inflation rate?
> > Harold
> > www.raised-garden-bed.com
> >
>
> I am retired Teamster and know that rising gas/fuel prices control the
> prices of everything we buy. Most are truck delivered.
>
> Betsy

Jangchub

30-03-2007, 02:41 PM

We do use trains. We deliver American cars made in Mexico or Canada.
Big, honkin gas guzzlers. My Expedition is now ten years old. There
is 67,000 original miles on it. I barely drive it, but it's all I
have. I could try to sell it, but what car on the market truly gets
good gas mileage? A Mini Cooper?

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 01:00:00 -0600, sherwindu >
wrote:

>We ought to go back to using trains!
>
> Sherwin D.
>
>betsyb wrote:
>
>> --
>>
>> "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the
>> intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well
>> preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in
>> one hand, Starbucks in the other, totally worn out and
>> screaming,
>>
>> "WOO HOO what a ride!"
>>
>> BetsyB
>>
>> "Harold" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>> > Garden soil prices escalate.
>> >
>> > I have just returned from shopping for bagged garden soil for my
>> > raised garden and found since last season, that not only have they
>> > increased the price by 60 percent but they have reduced the size of
>> > the bags by twenty five percent. The soil is made of ground-up
>> > materials from old buildings that are torn down and allowed to
>> > compost, lead based paints and all. The processors call the product
>> > "black gold." I wonder if the inflation gurus take into consideration
>> > the reduction of the sizes of goods on top of the increased price when
>> > establishing the inflation rate?
>> > Harold
>> > www.raised-garden-bed.com
>> >
>>
>> I am retired Teamster and know that rising gas/fuel prices control the
>> prices of everything we buy. Most are truck delivered.
>>
>> Betsy

JoeSpareBedroom

30-03-2007, 03:05 PM

"Jangchub" > wrote in message
...
>
> On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 01:00:00 -0600, sherwindu >
> wrote:
>
>>We ought to go back to using trains!
>>
>> Sherwin D.
>>
>>betsyb wrote:
>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the
>>> intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well
>>> preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in
>>> one hand, Starbucks in the other, totally worn out and
>>> screaming,
>>>
>>> "WOO HOO what a ride!"
>>>
>>> BetsyB
>>>
>>> "Harold" > wrote in message
>>> oups.com...
>>> > Garden soil prices escalate.
>>> >
>>> > I have just returned from shopping for bagged garden soil for my
>>> > raised garden and found since last season, that not only have they
>>> > increased the price by 60 percent but they have reduced the size of
>>> > the bags by twenty five percent. The soil is made of ground-up
>>> > materials from old buildings that are torn down and allowed to
>>> > compost, lead based paints and all. The processors call the product
>>> > "black gold." I wonder if the inflation gurus take into consideration
>>> > the reduction of the sizes of goods on top of the increased price when
>>> > establishing the inflation rate?
>>> > Harold
>>> > www.raised-garden-bed.com
>>> >
>>>
>>> I am retired Teamster and know that rising gas/fuel prices control the
>>> prices of everything we buy. Most are truck delivered.
>>>
>>> Betsy
>

> We do use trains. We deliver American cars made in Mexico or Canada.
> Big, honkin gas guzzlers. My Expedition is now ten years old. There
> is 67,000 original miles on it. I barely drive it, but it's all I
> have. I could try to sell it, but what car on the market truly gets
> good gas mileage? A Mini Cooper?
>

The reference was to freight costs, not car mileage. Shipping things by
truck has gotten a LOT more expensive over the past couple of years. The
less "things" on each truck, the more expensive each "thing" becomes.

Johnny

30-03-2007, 05:26 PM

On Mar 30, 9:05 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> "Jangchub" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 01:00:00 -0600, sherwindu >
> > wrote:
>
> >>We ought to go back to using trains!
>
> >> Sherwin D.
>
> >>betsyb wrote:
>
> >>> --
>
> >>> "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the
> >>> intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well
> >>> preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in
> >>> one hand, Starbucks in the other, totally worn out and
> >>> screaming,
>
> >>> "WOO HOO what a ride!"
>
> >>> BetsyB
>
> >>> "Harold" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >>> > Garden soil prices escalate.
>
> >>> > I have just returned from shopping for bagged garden soil for my
> >>> > raised garden and found since last season, that not only have they
> >>> > increased the price by 60 percent but they have reduced the size of
> >>> > the bags by twenty five percent. The soil is made of ground-up
> >>> > materials from old buildings that are torn down and allowed to
> >>> > compost, lead based paints and all. The processors call the product
> >>> > "black gold." I wonder if the inflation gurus take into consideration
> >>> > the reduction of the sizes of goods on top of the increased price when
> >>> > establishing the inflation rate?
> >>> > Harold
> >>> >www.raised-garden-bed.com
>
> >>> I am retired Teamster and know that rising gas/fuel prices control the
> >>> prices of everything we buy. Most are truck delivered.
>
> >>> Betsy
>
> > We do use trains. We deliver American cars made in Mexico or Canada.
> > Big, honkin gas guzzlers. My Expedition is now ten years old. There
> > is 67,000 original miles on it. I barely drive it, but it's all I
> > have. I could try to sell it, but what car on the market truly gets
> > good gas mileage? A Mini Cooper?
>
> The reference was to freight costs, not car mileage. Shipping things by
> truck has gotten a LOT more expensive over the past couple of years. The
> less "things" on each truck, the more expensive each "thing" becomes.

So what's your point?

Johnny

30-03-2007, 05:29 PM

On Mar 29, 2:37 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> "Harold" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Mar 29, 1:27 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> >> "Harold" > wrote in message
>
> ups.com...
>
> >> > On Mar 29, 10:47 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> >> >> "Harold" > wrote in message
>
> >> oups.com...
>
> >> >> > Garden soil prices escalate.
>
> >> >> > I have just returned from shopping for bagged garden soil for my
> >> >> > raised garden and found since last season, that not only have they
> >> >> > increased the price by 60 percent but they have reduced the size of
> >> >> > the bags by twenty five percent. The soil is made of ground-up
> >> >> > materials from old buildings that are torn down and allowed to
> >> >> > compost, lead based paints and all. The processors call the product
> >> >> > "black gold." I wonder if the inflation gurus take into
> >> >> > consideration
> >> >> > the reduction of the sizes of goods on top of the increased price
> >> >> > when
> >> >> > establishing the inflation rate?
> >> >> > Harold
> >> >> >www.raised-garden-bed.com
>
> >> >> You have a conflicting pair of ideas in what you wrote. First, you
> >> >> said
> >> >> "garden soil prices", which suggests that ALL garden soil has
> >> >> increased
> >> >> in
> >> >> price. Then, you mentioned "black gold", which sounds like a brand
> >> >> name.
> >> >> Matter of fact, it *is* a brand name. I wonder if other brands have
> >> >> NOT
> >> >> increased in price and had their packages made smaller.
>
> >> >> It might be worthwhile to hire a private detective for a day, to
> >> >> assist
> >> >> you
> >> >> in finding stores which sell a different brand.
>
> >> > Thanks for your comments. I went to three mass merchandisers and the
> >> > prices have all increased. The phrase "black gold" came from the mouth
> >> > of a guy on TV describing the process of taking waste building
> >> > material and making it into compost. Last season I was able to buy one
> >> > cubic yard of soil for $24.00 but this year the prevailing price is
> >> > $48.00 for the same amount of stuff. I would say that such an increase
> >> > is quite significant and troubling.
> >> > Harold
> >> >www.raised-garden-bed.com
>
> >> It sounds like a weird product, so I don't know why you'd buy it to begin
> >> with. And, the main thing contributing to the price increases you've
> >> mentioned is the cost of fuel for vehicles which deliver pretty much
> >> everything. My company ships product by truck, and the per mile rate is
> >> up
> >> drastically over the past 18 months.
>
> > My only alternative is to buy it by the truck load which would give me
> > more than I can use and don't care to have a big pile of dirt in my
> > yard.
>
> With every response, this gets more interesting. In the beginning, you
> referred to bagged soil. Are you saying that where you live, there is no
> source of a different brand of bagged soil? There are NO other sources of
> BAGGED soil?
>
> AND - this black gold stuff may contain lead and all sorts of other crap.
> Were you planning on using it to grow things you plan to eat?

Why don't you go to another group if you want to stir up controversy

JoeSpareBedroom

30-03-2007, 05:30 PM

"Johnny" > wrote in message
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> On Mar 30, 9:05 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>> "Jangchub" > wrote in message
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>> ...
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>>
>>
>> > On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 01:00:00 -0600, sherwindu >
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >>We ought to go back to using trains!
>>
>> >> Sherwin D.
>>
>> >>betsyb wrote:
>>
>> >>> --
>>
>> >>> "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the
>> >>> intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well
>> >>> preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in
>> >>> one hand, Starbucks in the other, totally worn out and
>> >>> screaming,
>>
>> >>> "WOO HOO what a ride!"
>>
>> >>> BetsyB
>>
>> >>> "Harold" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>> >>> > Garden soil prices escalate.
>>
>> >>> > I have just returned from shopping for bagged garden soil for my
>> >>> > raised garden and found since last season, that not only have they
>> >>> > increased the price by 60 percent but they have reduced the size of
>> >>> > the bags by twenty five percent. The soil is made of ground-up
>> >>> > materials from old buildings that are torn down and allowed to
>> >>> > compost, lead based paints and all. The processors call the product
>> >>> > "black gold." I wonder if the inflation gurus take into
>> >>> > consideration
>> >>> > the reduction of the sizes of goods on top of the increased price
>> >>> > when
>> >>> > establishing the inflation rate?
>> >>> > Harold
>> >>> >www.raised-garden-bed.com
>>
>> >>> I am retired Teamster and know that rising gas/fuel prices control
>> >>> the
>> >>> prices of everything we buy. Most are truck delivered.
>>
>> >>> Betsy
>>
>> > We do use trains. We deliver American cars made in Mexico or Canada.
>> > Big, honkin gas guzzlers. My Expedition is now ten years old. There
>> > is 67,000 original miles on it. I barely drive it, but it's all I
>> > have. I could try to sell it, but what car on the market truly gets
>> > good gas mileage? A Mini Cooper?
>>
>> The reference was to freight costs, not car mileage. Shipping things by
>> truck has gotten a LOT more expensive over the past couple of years. The
>> less "things" on each truck, the more expensive each "thing" becomes.
>
> So what's your point?
>

Read the paragraph above - the one beginning with "We do use trains". Tell
me if you think it's a sensible response to the one which preceeded it,
beginning with "I am a retired Teamster".

JoeSpareBedroom

30-03-2007, 05:30 PM

"Johnny" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> On Mar 29, 2:37 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>> "Harold" > wrote in message
>>
>> oups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Mar 29, 1:27 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>> >> "Harold" > wrote in message
>>
>> ups.com...
>>
>> >> > On Mar 29, 10:47 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" >
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> "Harold" > wrote in message
>>
>> >> oups.com...
>>
>> >> >> > Garden soil prices escalate.
>>
>> >> >> > I have just returned from shopping for bagged garden soil for my
>> >> >> > raised garden and found since last season, that not only have
>> >> >> > they
>> >> >> > increased the price by 60 percent but they have reduced the size
>> >> >> > of
>> >> >> > the bags by twenty five percent. The soil is made of ground-up
>> >> >> > materials from old buildings that are torn down and allowed to
>> >> >> > compost, lead based paints and all. The processors call the
>> >> >> > product
>> >> >> > "black gold." I wonder if the inflation gurus take into
>> >> >> > consideration
>> >> >> > the reduction of the sizes of goods on top of the increased price
>> >> >> > when
>> >> >> > establishing the inflation rate?
>> >> >> > Harold
>> >> >> >www.raised-garden-bed.com
>>
>> >> >> You have a conflicting pair of ideas in what you wrote. First, you
>> >> >> said
>> >> >> "garden soil prices", which suggests that ALL garden soil has
>> >> >> increased
>> >> >> in
>> >> >> price. Then, you mentioned "black gold", which sounds like a brand
>> >> >> name.
>> >> >> Matter of fact, it *is* a brand name. I wonder if other brands have
>> >> >> NOT
>> >> >> increased in price and had their packages made smaller.
>>
>> >> >> It might be worthwhile to hire a private detective for a day, to
>> >> >> assist
>> >> >> you
>> >> >> in finding stores which sell a different brand.
>>
>> >> > Thanks for your comments. I went to three mass merchandisers and
>> >> > the
>> >> > prices have all increased. The phrase "black gold" came from the
>> >> > mouth
>> >> > of a guy on TV describing the process of taking waste building
>> >> > material and making it into compost. Last season I was able to buy
>> >> > one
>> >> > cubic yard of soil for $24.00 but this year the prevailing price is
>> >> > $48.00 for the same amount of stuff. I would say that such an
>> >> > increase
>> >> > is quite significant and troubling.
>> >> > Harold
>> >> >www.raised-garden-bed.com
>>
>> >> It sounds like a weird product, so I don't know why you'd buy it to
>> >> begin
>> >> with. And, the main thing contributing to the price increases you've
>> >> mentioned is the cost of fuel for vehicles which deliver pretty much
>> >> everything. My company ships product by truck, and the per mile rate
>> >> is
>> >> up
>> >> drastically over the past 18 months.
>>
>> > My only alternative is to buy it by the truck load which would give me
>> > more than I can use and don't care to have a big pile of dirt in my
>> > yard.
>>
>> With every response, this gets more interesting. In the beginning, you
>> referred to bagged soil. Are you saying that where you live, there is no
>> source of a different brand of bagged soil? There are NO other sources of
>> BAGGED soil?
>>
>> AND - this black gold stuff may contain lead and all sorts of other crap.
>> Were you planning on using it to grow things you plan to eat?
>
> Why don't you go to another group if you want to stir up controversy
>

What exactly is the controversy you think I tried to stir up?

Johnny

30-03-2007, 06:52 PM

On Mar 30, 11:30 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> "Johnny" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Mar 30, 9:05 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> >> "Jangchub" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> >> > On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 01:00:00 -0600, sherwindu >
> >> > wrote:
>
> >> >>We ought to go back to using trains!
>
> >> >> Sherwin D.
>
> >> >>betsyb wrote:
>
> >> >>> --
>
> >> >>> "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the
> >> >>> intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well
> >> >>> preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in
> >> >>> one hand, Starbucks in the other, totally worn out and
> >> >>> screaming,
>
> >> >>> "WOO HOO what a ride!"
>
> >> >>> BetsyB
>
> >> >>> "Harold" > wrote in message
> >> oups.com...
> >> >>> > Garden soil prices escalate.
>
> >> >>> > I have just returned from shopping for bagged garden soil for my
> >> >>> > raised garden and found since last season, that not only have they
> >> >>> > increased the price by 60 percent but they have reduced the size of
> >> >>> > the bags by twenty five percent. The soil is made of ground-up
> >> >>> > materials from old buildings that are torn down and allowed to
> >> >>> > compost, lead based paints and all. The processors call the product
> >> >>> > "black gold." I wonder if the inflation gurus take into
> >> >>> > consideration
> >> >>> > the reduction of the sizes of goods on top of the increased price
> >> >>> > when
> >> >>> > establishing the inflation rate?
> >> >>> > Harold
> >> >>> >www.raised-garden-bed.com
>
> >> >>> I am retired Teamster and know that rising gas/fuel prices control
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> prices of everything we buy. Most are truck delivered.
>
> >> >>> Betsy
>
> >> > We do use trains. We deliver American cars made in Mexico or Canada.
> >> > Big, honkin gas guzzlers. My Expedition is now ten years old. There
> >> > is 67,000 original miles on it. I barely drive it, but it's all I
> >> > have. I could try to sell it, but what car on the market truly gets
> >> > good gas mileage? A Mini Cooper?
>
> >> The reference was to freight costs, not car mileage. Shipping things by
> >> truck has gotten a LOT more expensive over the past couple of years. The
> >> less "things" on each truck, the more expensive each "thing" becomes.
>
> > So what's your point?
>
> Read the paragraph above - the one beginning with "We do use trains". Tell
> me if you think it's a sensible response to the one which preceeded it,
> beginning with "I am a retired Teamster".

So what's the big deal?

Johnny

30-03-2007, 06:53 PM

On Mar 30, 11:30 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> "Johnny" > wrote in message
>
> ups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Mar 29, 2:37 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> >> "Harold" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
>
> >> > On Mar 29, 1:27 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> >> >> "Harold" > wrote in message
>
> >> ups.com...
>
> >> >> > On Mar 29, 10:47 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" >
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >> "Harold" > wrote in message
>
> >> >> oups.com...
>
> >> >> >> > Garden soil prices escalate.
>
> >> >> >> > I have just returned from shopping for bagged garden soil for my
> >> >> >> > raised garden and found since last season, that not only have
> >> >> >> > they
> >> >> >> > increased the price by 60 percent but they have reduced the size
> >> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> > the bags by twenty five percent. The soil is made of ground-up
> >> >> >> > materials from old buildings that are torn down and allowed to
> >> >> >> > compost, lead based paints and all. The processors call the
> >> >> >> > product
> >> >> >> > "black gold." I wonder if the inflation gurus take into
> >> >> >> > consideration
> >> >> >> > the reduction of the sizes of goods on top of the increased price
> >> >> >> > when
> >> >> >> > establishing the inflation rate?
> >> >> >> > Harold
> >> >> >> >www.raised-garden-bed.com
>
> >> >> >> You have a conflicting pair of ideas in what you wrote. First, you
> >> >> >> said
> >> >> >> "garden soil prices", which suggests that ALL garden soil has
> >> >> >> increased
> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> price. Then, you mentioned "black gold", which sounds like a brand
> >> >> >> name.
> >> >> >> Matter of fact, it *is* a brand name. I wonder if other brands have
> >> >> >> NOT
> >> >> >> increased in price and had their packages made smaller.
>
> >> >> >> It might be worthwhile to hire a private detective for a day, to
> >> >> >> assist
> >> >> >> you
> >> >> >> in finding stores which sell a different brand.
>
> >> >> > Thanks for your comments. I went to three mass merchandisers and
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > prices have all increased. The phrase "black gold" came from the
> >> >> > mouth
> >> >> > of a guy on TV describing the process of taking waste building
> >> >> > material and making it into compost. Last season I was able to buy
> >> >> > one
> >> >> > cubic yard of soil for $24.00 but this year the prevailing price is
> >> >> > $48.00 for the same amount of stuff. I would say that such an
> >> >> > increase
> >> >> > is quite significant and troubling.
> >> >> > Harold
> >> >> >www.raised-garden-bed.com
>
> >> >> It sounds like a weird product, so I don't know why you'd buy it to
> >> >> begin
> >> >> with. And, the main thing contributing to the price increases you've
> >> >> mentioned is the cost of fuel for vehicles which deliver pretty much
> >> >> everything. My company ships product by truck, and the per mile rate
> >> >> is
> >> >> up
> >> >> drastically over the past 18 months.
>
> >> > My only alternative is to buy it by the truck load which would give me
> >> > more than I can use and don't care to have a big pile of dirt in my
> >> > yard.
>
> >> With every response, this gets more interesting. In the beginning, you
> >> referred to bagged soil. Are you saying that where you live, there is no
> >> source of a different brand of bagged soil? There are NO other sources of
> >> BAGGED soil?
>
> >> AND - this black gold stuff may contain lead and all sorts of other crap.
> >> Were you planning on using it to grow things you plan to eat?
>
> > Why don't you go to another group if you want to stir up controversy
>
> What exactly is the controversy you think I tried to stir up?

It's pretty obvious...

JoeSpareBedroom

30-03-2007, 06:56 PM

"Johnny" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Mar 30, 11:30 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>> "Johnny" > wrote in message
>>
>> ups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Mar 29, 2:37 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>> >> "Harold" > wrote in message
>>
>> oups.com...
>>
>> >> > On Mar 29, 1:27 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" >
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> "Harold" > wrote in message
>>
>> >> ups.com...
>>
>> >> >> > On Mar 29, 10:47 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" >
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >> "Harold" > wrote in message
>>
>> >> >> oups.com...
>>
>> >> >> >> > Garden soil prices escalate.
>>
>> >> >> >> > I have just returned from shopping for bagged garden soil for
>> >> >> >> > my
>> >> >> >> > raised garden and found since last season, that not only have
>> >> >> >> > they
>> >> >> >> > increased the price by 60 percent but they have reduced the
>> >> >> >> > size
>> >> >> >> > of
>> >> >> >> > the bags by twenty five percent. The soil is made of ground-up
>> >> >> >> > materials from old buildings that are torn down and allowed to
>> >> >> >> > compost, lead based paints and all. The processors call the
>> >> >> >> > product
>> >> >> >> > "black gold." I wonder if the inflation gurus take into
>> >> >> >> > consideration
>> >> >> >> > the reduction of the sizes of goods on top of the increased
>> >> >> >> > price
>> >> >> >> > when
>> >> >> >> > establishing the inflation rate?
>> >> >> >> > Harold
>> >> >> >> >www.raised-garden-bed.com
>>
>> >> >> >> You have a conflicting pair of ideas in what you wrote. First,
>> >> >> >> you
>> >> >> >> said
>> >> >> >> "garden soil prices", which suggests that ALL garden soil has
>> >> >> >> increased
>> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> price. Then, you mentioned "black gold", which sounds like a
>> >> >> >> brand
>> >> >> >> name.
>> >> >> >> Matter of fact, it *is* a brand name. I wonder if other brands
>> >> >> >> have
>> >> >> >> NOT
>> >> >> >> increased in price and had their packages made smaller.
>>
>> >> >> >> It might be worthwhile to hire a private detective for a day, to
>> >> >> >> assist
>> >> >> >> you
>> >> >> >> in finding stores which sell a different brand.
>>
>> >> >> > Thanks for your comments. I went to three mass merchandisers and
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > prices have all increased. The phrase "black gold" came from the
>> >> >> > mouth
>> >> >> > of a guy on TV describing the process of taking waste building
>> >> >> > material and making it into compost. Last season I was able to
>> >> >> > buy
>> >> >> > one
>> >> >> > cubic yard of soil for $24.00 but this year the prevailing price
>> >> >> > is
>> >> >> > $48.00 for the same amount of stuff. I would say that such an
>> >> >> > increase
>> >> >> > is quite significant and troubling.
>> >> >> > Harold
>> >> >> >www.raised-garden-bed.com
>>
>> >> >> It sounds like a weird product, so I don't know why you'd buy it to
>> >> >> begin
>> >> >> with. And, the main thing contributing to the price increases
>> >> >> you've
>> >> >> mentioned is the cost of fuel for vehicles which deliver pretty
>> >> >> much
>> >> >> everything. My company ships product by truck, and the per mile
>> >> >> rate
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> up
>> >> >> drastically over the past 18 months.
>>
>> >> > My only alternative is to buy it by the truck load which would give
>> >> > me
>> >> > more than I can use and don't care to have a big pile of dirt in my
>> >> > yard.
>>
>> >> With every response, this gets more interesting. In the beginning, you
>> >> referred to bagged soil. Are you saying that where you live, there is
>> >> no
>> >> source of a different brand of bagged soil? There are NO other sources
>> >> of
>> >> BAGGED soil?
>>
>> >> AND - this black gold stuff may contain lead and all sorts of other
>> >> crap.
>> >> Were you planning on using it to grow things you plan to eat?
>>
>> > Why don't you go to another group if you want to stir up controversy
>>
>> What exactly is the controversy you think I tried to stir up?
>
> It's pretty obvious...
>

Since there is NO controversy, it is NOT obvious. Explain what you imagine
you're seeing, or we'll assume you're just another troll.

JoeSpareBedroom

30-03-2007, 06:57 PM

"Johnny" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Mar 30, 11:30 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>> "Johnny" > wrote in message
>>
>> oups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Mar 30, 9:05 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>> >> "Jangchub" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>> >> > On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 01:00:00 -0600, sherwindu
>> >> > >
>> >> > wrote:
>>
>> >> >>We ought to go back to using trains!
>>
>> >> >> Sherwin D.
>>
>> >> >>betsyb wrote:
>>
>> >> >>> --
>>
>> >> >>> "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the
>> >> >>> intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well
>> >> >>> preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in
>> >> >>> one hand, Starbucks in the other, totally worn out and
>> >> >>> screaming,
>>
>> >> >>> "WOO HOO what a ride!"
>>
>> >> >>> BetsyB
>>
>> >> >>> "Harold" > wrote in message
>> >> oups.com...
>> >> >>> > Garden soil prices escalate.
>>
>> >> >>> > I have just returned from shopping for bagged garden soil for my
>> >> >>> > raised garden and found since last season, that not only have
>> >> >>> > they
>> >> >>> > increased the price by 60 percent but they have reduced the size
>> >> >>> > of
>> >> >>> > the bags by twenty five percent. The soil is made of ground-up
>> >> >>> > materials from old buildings that are torn down and allowed to
>> >> >>> > compost, lead based paints and all. The processors call the
>> >> >>> > product
>> >> >>> > "black gold." I wonder if the inflation gurus take into
>> >> >>> > consideration
>> >> >>> > the reduction of the sizes of goods on top of the increased
>> >> >>> > price
>> >> >>> > when
>> >> >>> > establishing the inflation rate?
>> >> >>> > Harold
>> >> >>> >www.raised-garden-bed.com
>>
>> >> >>> I am retired Teamster and know that rising gas/fuel prices
>> >> >>> control
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> prices of everything we buy. Most are truck delivered.
>>
>> >> >>> Betsy
>>
>> >> > We do use trains. We deliver American cars made in Mexico or
>> >> > Canada.
>> >> > Big, honkin gas guzzlers. My Expedition is now ten years old.
>> >> > There
>> >> > is 67,000 original miles on it. I barely drive it, but it's all I
>> >> > have. I could try to sell it, but what car on the market truly gets
>> >> > good gas mileage? A Mini Cooper?
>>
>> >> The reference was to freight costs, not car mileage. Shipping things
>> >> by
>> >> truck has gotten a LOT more expensive over the past couple of years.
>> >> The
>> >> less "things" on each truck, the more expensive each "thing" becomes.
>>
>> > So what's your point?
>>
>> Read the paragraph above - the one beginning with "We do use trains".
>> Tell
>> me if you think it's a sensible response to the one which preceeded it,
>> beginning with "I am a retired Teamster".
>
> So what's the big deal?
>

Quiet, troll.

Starlord

30-03-2007, 09:43 PM

Now you know what pet owners have had to deal with, main brands of dry foor
are not down to only 17lbs instead of the old 20lb bags and still they've
gone up at lest $4 to $6.00 more in price, that's why I buy the cheap stuff
in 20lb bags and all my cats enjoy eating it. Soil? Out here in the mojave
Desert I just add steer to it.

--
There are those who believe that life here, began out there, far across the
universe, with tribes of humans, who may have been the forefathers of the
Egyptians, or the Toltecs, or the Mayans. Some believe that they may yet be
brothers of man, who even now fight to survive, somewhere beyond the
heavens.

The Lone Sidewalk Astronomer of Rosamond
Telescope Buyers FAQ
http://home.inreach.com/starlord
Sidewalk Astronomy
www.sidewalkastronomy.info
The Church of Eternity
http://home.inreach.com/starlord/church/Eternity.html

"Johnny" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Mar 30, 11:30 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>> "Johnny" > wrote in message
>>
>> oups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Mar 30, 9:05 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
>> >> "Jangchub" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>> >> > On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 01:00:00 -0600, sherwindu
>> >> > >
>> >> > wrote:
>>
>> >> >>We ought to go back to using trains!
>>
>> >> >> Sherwin D.
>>
>> >> >>betsyb wrote:
>>
>> >> >>> --
>>
>> >> >>> "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the
>> >> >>> intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well
>> >> >>> preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in
>> >> >>> one hand, Starbucks in the other, totally worn out and
>> >> >>> screaming,
>>
>> >> >>> "WOO HOO what a ride!"
>>
>> >> >>> BetsyB
>>
>> >> >>> "Harold" > wrote in message
>> >> oups.com...
>> >> >>> > Garden soil prices escalate.
>>
>> >> >>> > I have just returned from shopping for bagged garden soil for my
>> >> >>> > raised garden and found since last season, that not only have
>> >> >>> > they
>> >> >>> > increased the price by 60 percent but they have reduced the size
>> >> >>> > of
>> >> >>> > the bags by twenty five percent. The soil is made of ground-up
>> >> >>> > materials from old buildings that are torn down and allowed to
>> >> >>> > compost, lead based paints and all. The processors call the
>> >> >>> > product
>> >> >>> > "black gold." I wonder if the inflation gurus take into
>> >> >>> > consideration
>> >> >>> > the reduction of the sizes of goods on top of the increased
>> >> >>> > price
>> >> >>> > when
>> >> >>> > establishing the inflation rate?
>> >> >>> > Harold
>> >> >>> >www.raised-garden-bed.com
>>
>> >> >>> I am retired Teamster and know that rising gas/fuel prices
>> >> >>> control
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> prices of everything we buy. Most are truck delivered.
>>
>> >> >>> Betsy
>>
>> >> > We do use trains. We deliver American cars made in Mexico or
>> >> > Canada.
>> >> > Big, honkin gas guzzlers. My Expedition is now ten years old.
>> >> > There
>> >> > is 67,000 original miles on it. I barely drive it, but it's all I
>> >> > have. I could try to sell it, but what car on the market truly gets
>> >> > good gas mileage? A Mini Cooper?
>>
>> >> The reference was to freight costs, not car mileage. Shipping things
>> >> by
>> >> truck has gotten a LOT more expensive over the past couple of years.
>> >> The
>> >> less "things" on each truck, the more expensive each "thing" becomes.
>>
>> > So what's your point?
>>
>> Read the paragraph above - the one beginning with "We do use trains".
>> Tell
>> me if you think it's a sensible response to the one which preceeded it,
>> beginning with "I am a retired Teamster".
>
> So what's the big deal?
>

Johnny

30-03-2007, 10:03 PM

On Mar 30, 12:57 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> "Johnny" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Mar 30, 11:30 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> >> "Johnny" > wrote in message
>
> oups.com...
>
> >> > On Mar 30, 9:05 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:
> >> >> "Jangchub" > wrote in message
>
> >> ...
>
> >> >> > On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 01:00:00 -0600, sherwindu
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > wrote:
>
> >> >> >>We ought to go back to using trains!
>
> >> >> >> Sherwin D.
>
> >> >> >>betsyb wrote:
>
> >> >> >>> --
>
> >> >> >>> "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the
> >> >> >>> intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well
> >> >> >>> preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in
> >> >> >>> one hand, Starbucks in the other, totally worn out and
> >> >> >>> screaming,
>
> >> >> >>> "WOO HOO what a ride!"
>
> >> >> >>> BetsyB
>
> >> >> >>> "Harold" > wrote in message
> >> >> oups.com...
> >> >> >>> > Garden soil prices escalate.
>
> >> >> >>> > I have just returned from shopping for bagged garden soil for my
> >> >> >>> > raised garden and found since last season, that not only have
> >> >> >>> > they
> >> >> >>> > increased the price by 60 percent but they have reduced the size
> >> >> >>> > of
> >> >> >>> > the bags by twenty five percent. The soil is made of ground-up
> >> >> >>> > materials from old buildings that are torn down and allowed to
> >> >> >>> > compost, lead based paints and all. The processors call the
> >> >> >>> > product
> >> >> >>> > "black gold." I wonder if the inflation gurus take into
> >> >> >>> > consideration
> >> >> >>> > the reduction of the sizes of goods on top of the increased
> >> >> >>> > price
> >> >> >>> > when
> >> >> >>> > establishing the inflation rate?
> >> >> >>> > Harold
> >> >> >>> >www.raised-garden-bed.com
>
> >> >> >>> I am retired Teamster and know that rising gas/fuel prices
> >> >> >>> control
> >> >> >>> the
> >> >> >>> prices of everything we buy. Most are truck delivered.
>
> >> >> >>> Betsy
>
> >> >> > We do use trains. We deliver American cars made in Mexico or
> >> >> > Canada.
> >> >> > Big, honkin gas guzzlers. My Expedition is now ten years old.
> >> >> > There
> >> >> > is 67,000 original miles on it. I barely drive it, but it's all I
> >> >> > have. I could try to sell it, but what car on the market truly gets
> >> >> > good gas mileage? A Mini Cooper?
>
> >> >> The reference was to freight costs, not car mileage. Shipping things
> >> >> by
> >> >> truck has gotten a LOT more expensive over the past couple of years.
> >> >> The
> >> >> less "things" on each truck, the more expensive each "thing" becomes.
>
> >> > So what's your point?
>
> >> Read the paragraph above - the one beginning with "We do use trains".
> >> Tell
> >> me if you think it's a sensible response to the one which preceeded it,
> >> beginning with "I am a retired Teamster".
>
> > So what's the big deal?
>
> Quiet, troll.

OH MY, BUT AREN'T WE TOUCHY TODAY !!!

Jangchub

30-03-2007, 11:03 PM

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:56:56 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> wrote:

>Since there is NO controversy, it is NOT obvious. Explain what you imagine
>you're seeing, or we'll assume you're just another troll.
>

I mentioned trains because someone said why don't we use them any
more. I live 1,000 feet from a main line, cross country train track
and the thing I see the most often being hauled by train are cars and
trucks. That's why I said what I said. We'd need a LOT more train
tracks to make a difference in prices. There are tens of thousands of
rigs all over the highways.

Anyway, will you please learn how to edit your posts.

JoeSpareBedroom

30-03-2007, 11:39 PM

"Jangchub" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:56:56 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> > wrote:
>
>>Since there is NO controversy, it is NOT obvious. Explain what you imagine
>>you're seeing, or we'll assume you're just another troll.
>>
>
> I mentioned trains because someone said why don't we use them any
> more. I live 1,000 feet from a main line, cross country train track
> and the thing I see the most often being hauled by train are cars and
> trucks. That's why I said what I said. We'd need a LOT more train
> tracks to make a difference in prices. There are tens of thousands of
> rigs all over the highways.
>
> Anyway, will you please learn how to edit your posts.

Edit...I know. I function at 1400 mph during the day. But, try this next
time you run across a long post:

CTRL-END

Zips you to the end of almost any document. CTRL-HOME takes you to the
beginning.

Jangchub

31-03-2007, 12:08 AM

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 21:39:58 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> wrote:

>Edit...I know. I function at 1400 mph during the day. But, try this next
>time you run across a long post:
>
>CTRL-END
>
>Zips you to the end of almost any document. CTRL-HOME takes you to the
>beginning.
>

Ah, good tip!

thanks,
Victoria

JoeSpareBedroom

31-03-2007, 04:08 AM

"Jangchub" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 21:39:58 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> > wrote:
>
>
>>Edit...I know. I function at 1400 mph during the day. But, try this next
>>time you run across a long post:
>>
>>CTRL-END
>>
>>Zips you to the end of almost any document. CTRL-HOME takes you to the
>>beginning.
>>
>
> Ah, good tip!
>
> thanks,
> Victoria

Every computer should come with a huge sticker that displays a list of these
shortcuts. Once upon a time, everyone knew them.

Mark Anderson

01-04-2007, 06:11 AM

In article says...
> I am retired Teamster and know that rising gas/fuel prices control the
> prices of everything we buy. Most are truck delivered.

The pay the Teamsters make far far exceed the puny increase in gas
prices. Quit crying Chicken Little!

JoeSpareBedroom

01-04-2007, 03:42 PM

"Mark Anderson" > wrote in message
.net...
> In article says...
>> I am retired Teamster and know that rising gas/fuel prices control the
>> prices of everything we buy. Most are truck delivered.
>
> The pay the Teamsters make far far exceed the puny increase in gas
> prices. Quit crying Chicken Little!
>
>

That's a very strange statement, in terms of the math. You're comparing an
amount of money to the change in another amount of money. Or, an analogy:

Car #1: Top speed 120 mph
Car #2: Does 0-60 in 6 seconds

Irrelevant comparison.

Mark Anderson

01-04-2007, 06:06 PM

In article says...
> > The pay the Teamsters make far far exceed the puny increase in gas
> > prices. Quit crying Chicken Little!
> >
> >
>
> That's a very strange statement, in terms of the math. You're comparing an
> amount of money to the change in another amount of money. Or, an analogy:
>
> Car #1: Top speed 120 mph
> Car #2: Does 0-60 in 6 seconds
>
> Irrelevant comparison.

Truck travels 60 miles in one hour. How many gallons of gas is that?
Let's say 7.

Gas at $2 = $14/hour
Gas at $3 = $21/hour

Difference = $7/hour

How much money does a Teamster trucker make?
How much money does truck maintenance and depreciation cost per mile?

QED

JoeSpareBedroom

02-04-2007, 02:02 AM

"Mark Anderson" > wrote in message
.net...
> In article says...
>> > The pay the Teamsters make far far exceed the puny increase in gas
>> > prices. Quit crying Chicken Little!
>> >
>> >
>>
>> That's a very strange statement, in terms of the math. You're comparing
>> an
>> amount of money to the change in another amount of money. Or, an analogy:
>>
>> Car #1: Top speed 120 mph
>> Car #2: Does 0-60 in 6 seconds
>>
>> Irrelevant comparison.
>
> Truck travels 60 miles in one hour. How many gallons of gas is that?
> Let's say 7.
>
> Gas at $2 = $14/hour
> Gas at $3 = $21/hour
>
> Difference = $7/hour
>
> How much money does a Teamster trucker make?
> How much money does truck maintenance and depreciation cost per mile?
>
> QED
>
>

Last I read, the average income for truckers is about $40k.

Jangchub

02-04-2007, 03:53 AM

On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 00:02:07 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> wrote:

>Last I read, the average income for truckers is about $40k.
>

Most truckers are paid by the mile, so in order to make a decent
living they drive WAY too many hours to reach their destination and
are prone to becoming addicted to amphetamines and other speed type
drugs. It's sad, actually.

If a driver owns her/his own rig, the rig can cost up to quarter
million dollars depending on what it is, and there are loans, road
fees, tolls, private medical insurance, etc.

It is not a great job unless you love being on the road the majority
of your time. I once thought about doing it with my husband as we
prepared to live full time in a motorhome, but we're not ready.

Point is, truckers have to drive a LOT of miles to make that much.
About ten years ago they made about thirty cents a mile or so. I
don't know what it is now.