Need help identifying herbs

[Bill Rose]

Last year everything was late. It was my first year growing mostly from
seed and the rain kept me out of the garden until May. I thought that
these herbs had died but they came back this year. I don't recognize
them so I don't think they are weeds. I posted them in
alt.binaries.pictures.gardens. I had to do the last of the 3 posts over.
It didn't up-load.

I'd appreciate any help and I apologize for the quality of the snaps. It
was a rush job as usual. If they don't get identified, I'll do better
next time.

- Bill

[JoeSpareBedroom]

"Bill Rose" > wrote in message
...
> Last year everything was late. It was my first year growing mostly from
> seed and the rain kept me out of the garden until May. I thought that
> these herbs had died but they came back this year. I don't recognize
> them so I don't think they are weeds. I posted them in
> alt.binaries.pictures.gardens. I had to do the last of the 3 posts over.
> It didn't up-load.
>
> I'd appreciate any help and I apologize for the quality of the snaps. It
> was a rush job as usual. If they don't get identified, I'll do better
> next time.
>
> - Bill

Some of us don't have access to binary newsgroups. It would be better to
post pictures at a site like www.photobucket.com. It's free, by the way.

[betsyb]

Bill, 1a looks like a pepper plant.
--



BetsyB



"JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote in message
...
> "Bill Rose" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Last year everything was late. It was my first year growing mostly from
>> seed and the rain kept me out of the garden until May. I thought that
>> these herbs had died but they came back this year. I don't recognize
>> them so I don't think they are weeds. I posted them in
>> alt.binaries.pictures.gardens. I had to do the last of the 3 posts over.
>> It didn't up-load.
>>
>> I'd appreciate any help and I apologize for the quality of the snaps. It
>> was a rush job as usual. If they don't get identified, I'll do better
>> next time.
>>
>> - Bill
>
> Some of us don't have access to binary newsgroups. It would be better to
> post pictures at a site like www.photobucket.com. It's free, by the way.
>

[Charlie[_2_]]

On Wed, 30 May 2007 14:25:19 -0700, Bill Rose >
wrote:

>Last year everything was late. It was my first year growing mostly from
>seed and the rain kept me out of the garden until May. I thought that
>these herbs had died but they came back this year. I don't recognize
>them so I don't think they are weeds. I posted them in
>alt.binaries.pictures.gardens. I had to do the last of the 3 posts over.
>It didn't up-load.
>
>I'd appreciate any help and I apologize for the quality of the snaps. It
>was a rush job as usual. If they don't get identified, I'll do better
>next time.
>
>- Bill

Are all the photos of the same plant, Bill?

The first one, shot from the top, looks like echinacea.

Hmmm
Charlie

[William Rose]

In article >, Charlie wrote:

> On Wed, 30 May 2007 14:25:19 -0700, Bill Rose >
> wrote:
>
> >Last year everything was late. It was my first year growing mostly from
> >seed and the rain kept me out of the garden until May. I thought that
> >these herbs had died but they came back this year. I don't recognize
> >them so I don't think they are weeds. I posted them in
> >alt.binaries.pictures.gardens. I had to do the last of the 3 posts over.
> >It didn't up-load.
> >
> >I'd appreciate any help and I apologize for the quality of the snaps. It
> >was a rush job as usual. If they don't get identified, I'll do better
> >next time.
> >
> >- Bill
>
> Are all the photos of the same plant, Bill?
>
> The first one, shot from the top, looks like echinacea.
>
> Hmmm
> Charlie

OK, so I'm not a photographer. The fuzzy pictures were taken with a
polaroid that obviously has no macro capability. The second was taken by
a neighbor who was pressed into service.
Each set is of a different plant 1a&b, 2a&b and, then I got tricky, 3&4
a&b are of two plants, side by side.
Scores will be awarded on the basis of correctness or creativity.
Good luck,
- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum

[Charlie[_2_]]

On Wed, 30 May 2007 15:47:41 -0700, William Rose >
wrote:


>>
>> Are all the photos of the same plant, Bill?
>>
>> The first one, shot from the top, looks like echinacea.
>>
>> Hmmm
>> Charlie
>
>OK, so I'm not a photographer. The fuzzy pictures were taken with a
>polaroid that obviously has no macro capability. The second was taken by
>a neighbor who was pressed into service.
>Each set is of a different plant 1a&b, 2a&b and, then I got tricky, 3&4
>a&b are of two plants, side by side.
>Scores will be awarded on the basis of correctness or creativity.
>Good luck,

I'm staying with echinacea on #1. Are the leaves and the stem
"sandpapery"? And the stem tough? If it is echinacea, you should see
some buds before long.

Others have to get the others.

I like this game, kinda like the National Geographic guess the macro
shot.

Chumily
Charlie

[FragileWarrior]

Charlie wrote in :

>
> I'm staying with echinacea on #1. Are the leaves and the stem
> "sandpapery"? And the stem tough? If it is echinacea, you should see
> some buds before long.
>

What shape is the stem? Round or square?

[Ann]

Charlie expounded:

>On Wed, 30 May 2007 14:25:19 -0700, Bill Rose >
>wrote:
>
>>Last year everything was late. It was my first year growing mostly from
>>seed and the rain kept me out of the garden until May. I thought that
>>these herbs had died but they came back this year. I don't recognize
>>them so I don't think they are weeds. I posted them in
>>alt.binaries.pictures.gardens. I had to do the last of the 3 posts over.
>>It didn't up-load.
>>
>>I'd appreciate any help and I apologize for the quality of the snaps. It
>>was a rush job as usual. If they don't get identified, I'll do better
>>next time.
>>
>>- Bill
>
>Are all the photos of the same plant, Bill?
>
>The first one, shot from the top, looks like echinacea.
>
>Hmmm
>Charlie

Yea, I'd say the first one was echinacea. The rest????
--
Ann, gardening in Zone 6a
South of Boston, Massachusetts
e-mail address is not checked
******************************

[Omelet]

In article >,
"JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:

> "Bill Rose" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Last year everything was late. It was my first year growing mostly from
> > seed and the rain kept me out of the garden until May. I thought that
> > these herbs had died but they came back this year. I don't recognize
> > them so I don't think they are weeds. I posted them in
> > alt.binaries.pictures.gardens. I had to do the last of the 3 posts over.
> > It didn't up-load.
> >
> > I'd appreciate any help and I apologize for the quality of the snaps. It
> > was a rush job as usual. If they don't get identified, I'll do better
> > next time.
> >
> > - Bill
>
> Some of us don't have access to binary newsgroups. It would be better to
> post pictures at a site like www.photobucket.com. It's free, by the way.

Or tinypic. That one is easier to access.
--
Peace, Om

Remove _ to validate e-mails.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson

[Charlie[_2_]]

On Wed, 30 May 2007 21:58:45 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> wrote:

>"Bill Rose" > wrote in message
...
>> Last year everything was late. It was my first year growing mostly from
>> seed and the rain kept me out of the garden until May. I thought that
>> these herbs had died but they came back this year. I don't recognize
>> them so I don't think they are weeds. I posted them in
>> alt.binaries.pictures.gardens. I had to do the last of the 3 posts over.
>> It didn't up-load.
>>
>> I'd appreciate any help and I apologize for the quality of the snaps. It
>> was a rush job as usual. If they don't get identified, I'll do better
>> next time.
>>
>> - Bill
>
>Some of us don't have access to binary newsgroups. It would be better to
>post pictures at a site like www.photobucket.com. It's free, by the way.

I ain't trying to be prickly here, Joe....but when it comes to this
here internet thing, and *most* things anymore, they ain't no such
thing as free.

I'd be willin' to bet Photobucket doesn't particularly love ya', whadda
they get out of it?

They get something for you using their bandwith.

Hell, mebbe it's just me, but my Trust-O-Meter never registers very
high on these here Interweb things.


Ya' all Be Careful Out Here
Charlie

[Bill Rose]

In article >, Charlie wrote:

> On Wed, 30 May 2007 15:47:41 -0700, William Rose >
> wrote:
>
>
> >>
> >> Are all the photos of the same plant, Bill?
> >>
> >> The first one, shot from the top, looks like echinacea.
> >>
> >> Hmmm
> >> Charlie
> >
> >OK, so I'm not a photographer. The fuzzy pictures were taken with a
> >polaroid that obviously has no macro capability. The second was taken by
> >a neighbor who was pressed into service.
> >Each set is of a different plant 1a&b, 2a&b and, then I got tricky, 3&4
> >a&b are of two plants, side by side.
> >Scores will be awarded on the basis of correctness or creativity.
> >Good luck,
>
> I'm staying with echinacea on #1. Are the leaves and the stem
> "sandpapery"? And the stem tough? If it is echinacea, you should see
> some buds before long.
>
> Others have to get the others.
>
> I like this game, kinda like the National Geographic guess the macro
> shot.
>
> Chumily
> Charlie

I'm tempted to say that it is echinacea except that the pictures I've
seen of echinacea don't show the leaves to be exactly opposit of each
other, which is the case with my plant.
http://www.henriettesherbal.com/pictures/p05/pages/echinacea-purpurea-9.h
tm
Otherwise, that's what it looks like except as I say that the leaves on
my plant are exactly opposite each other the next pair, up or down, are
at right angles to the first pair of leaves.

So, unless there is something else that looks like echinacea, then that
is what it must be. Funny, the one planted in the ground never came back
from last year.

Oh yeah Charlie, it has a roud, not square, stem.

- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)

[Bill Rose]

In article >,
Omelet > wrote:

> tinypic

I give up. I posted to tynypic with the tag "Bill's unknown herb . ."
and now I can't find them. Damn learning curves.
- Bill

Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)

[Charlie[_2_]]

On Wed, 30 May 2007 20:19:59 -0700, Bill Rose >
wrote:


>I'm tempted to say that it is echinacea except that the pictures I've
>seen of echinacea don't show the leaves to be exactly opposit of each
>other, which is the case with my plant.
>http://www.henriettesherbal.com/pictures/p05/pages/echinacea-purpurea-9.h
>tm
>Otherwise, that's what it looks like except as I say that the leaves on
>my plant are exactly opposite each other the next pair, up or down, are
>at right angles to the first pair of leaves.
>
>So, unless there is something else that looks like echinacea, then that
>is what it must be. Funny, the one planted in the ground never came back
>from last year.
>
>Oh yeah Charlie, it has a roud, not square, stem.

Hmmmm.......I'd go out with a torch and look about stem placement
except.........THE DAMN DOG KEEPS EATING IT OFF!!!!!!! At least she
doesn't dig for the good part. Tell ya what, a Dane can move a bunch
of soil in a hurry!

The two collies we used to have, they did the same thing.

They knwo what's good for them too.

Guess you are going to have to wait for the bloom. Or wait for someone
who really knows what they are about.

Charlie

[Jan Flora]

In article
>,
Bill Rose > wrote:

> Last year everything was late. It was my first year growing mostly from
> seed and the rain kept me out of the garden until May. I thought that
> these herbs had died but they came back this year. I don't recognize
> them so I don't think they are weeds. I posted them in
> alt.binaries.pictures.gardens. I had to do the last of the 3 posts over.
> It didn't up-load.
>
> I'd appreciate any help and I apologize for the quality of the snaps. It
> was a rush job as usual. If they don't get identified, I'll do better
> next time.
>
> - Bill


3a looks like a mint on the left and maybe lavender or
tarragon on the right.

Brush your fingers on the leaves and see what those
plants smell like.

Mints normally (always?) have square stems.

Jan

--
Bedouin proverb: If you have no troubles, buy a goat.

[JoeSpareBedroom]

<Charlie> wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 30 May 2007 21:58:45 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
> > wrote:
>
>>"Bill Rose" > wrote in message
...
>>> Last year everything was late. It was my first year growing mostly from
>>> seed and the rain kept me out of the garden until May. I thought that
>>> these herbs had died but they came back this year. I don't recognize
>>> them so I don't think they are weeds. I posted them in
>>> alt.binaries.pictures.gardens. I had to do the last of the 3 posts over.
>>> It didn't up-load.
>>>
>>> I'd appreciate any help and I apologize for the quality of the snaps. It
>>> was a rush job as usual. If they don't get identified, I'll do better
>>> next time.
>>>
>>> - Bill
>>
>>Some of us don't have access to binary newsgroups. It would be better to
>>post pictures at a site like www.photobucket.com. It's free, by the way.
>
> I ain't trying to be prickly here, Joe....but when it comes to this
> here internet thing, and *most* things anymore, they ain't no such
> thing as free.
>
> I'd be willin' to bet Photobucket doesn't particularly love ya', whadda
> they get out of it?
>
> They get something for you using their bandwith.
>
> Hell, mebbe it's just me, but my Trust-O-Meter never registers very
> high on these here Interweb things.
>
>
> Ya' all Be Careful Out Here
> Charlie

Let me put it this way: I put pictures there. The credit card never leaves
my wallet. I've never noticed if there's advertising, or whether they offer
other services which some people purchase. I get no junk email from them.
Sounds free to me.

[Bill Rose]

In article >, Charlie wrote:

> On Wed, 30 May 2007 20:19:59 -0700, Bill Rose >
> wrote:
>
>
> >I'm tempted to say that it is echinacea except that the pictures I've
> >seen of echinacea don't show the leaves to be exactly opposit of each
> >other, which is the case with my plant.
> >http://www.henriettesherbal.com/pictures/p05/pages/echinacea-purpurea-9.h
> >tm
> >Otherwise, that's what it looks like except as I say that the leaves on
> >my plant are exactly opposite each other the next pair, up or down, are
> >at right angles to the first pair of leaves.
> >
> >So, unless there is something else that looks like echinacea, then that
> >is what it must be. Funny, the one planted in the ground never came back
> >from last year.
> >
> >Oh yeah Charlie, it has a roud, not square, stem.
>
> Hmmmm.......I'd go out with a torch and look about stem placement
> except.........THE DAMN DOG KEEPS EATING IT OFF!!!!!!! At least she
> doesn't dig for the good part. Tell ya what, a Dane can move a bunch
> of soil in a hurry!
>
> The two collies we used to have, they did the same thing.
>
> They knwo what's good for them too.
>
> Guess you are going to have to wait for the bloom. Or wait for someone
> who really knows what they are about.
>
> Charlie

Oh, Charlie,
I don't know if I can wait that long. Think I'll take another run at
this in a few days after I get some film developed. You remember what
film is? Won't get much done today. My Lovey-poo is taking me to see
"Paris,je t'aime". I'm hoping for some good views of the worlds #1
tourist destination. We'll start in the park across the street from the
cinema with a store bought burned rotisserie chicken, baguette and, a
bottle of Medoc. I'll put the garden on auto-pilot.

I'm gonna' have to re-read the last few missives from Jan. I've been
running around too much. Looked kinda exotic.

plus tard,
- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)

[Bill Rose]

In article >,
Jan Flora > wrote:

> In article
> >,
> Bill Rose > wrote:
>
> > Last year everything was late. It was my first year growing mostly from
> > seed and the rain kept me out of the garden until May. I thought that
> > these herbs had died but they came back this year. I don't recognize
> > them so I don't think they are weeds. I posted them in
> > alt.binaries.pictures.gardens. I had to do the last of the 3 posts over.
> > It didn't up-load.
> >
> > I'd appreciate any help and I apologize for the quality of the snaps. It
> > was a rush job as usual. If they don't get identified, I'll do better
> > next time.
> >
> > - Bill
>
>
> 3a looks like a mint on the left and maybe lavender or
> tarragon on the right.
>
> Brush your fingers on the leaves and see what those
> plants smell like.
>
> Mints normally (always?) have square stems.
>
> Jan

Yeah, your right Jan, it does look like a mint (square stem and all) but
it doesn't have a mint smell and it's not "self-heal". Another feature
of it is that the first couple of inches at the base of the stem is
cherry red, as are a few of the lower leaves. As for the other plant, I
have tarragon growing in the garden already and the two look identical
EXCEPT the unknown has a light grassy flavor (?) and the tarragon tastes
like tarragon. Secondly, the unknown has opposing leaves which rotate at
right angles up and down the stem, whereas the tarragon has a single
leaf that rotates at 170 degrees (or 190 degrees, depending on how you
look at it), up and down the stem. It is unlikely, but possible, that
some of these herbs are culinary but most likely they are medicinal.

Herb 2 also kinda looks like tarragon except for the varying hues of red
on some of it's leaves.

Meanwhile, my grasses are in. One of the Plantago ovata suffered some
grazing damage (the culpable is unknown) and the omega flax is
sprouting. Horizon Herbs never did give me any reason why they thought
that this flax was higher in omega-3s than common flax. The bitter
melons are laid out in front of their trellis along with a Gynostemma
pentaphyllum (Jiaogulan). The peas are just petering along. They should
love the heat (or lack of same). They get daily waterings. They have
been in the ground for about a month. Some are 6" high, and others are
doing better at about 3'. Planted a bird-house gourd vine at the end of
the peas. I figure they (the peas) probably only have another six weeks
to go before it gets too hot for them. The cucumbers are just staring at
me and, just sit there. Zukes are in but they haven't shown much
development yet either. Tomatoes are all in, except for a few more that
I want to find space for. The tomatoes and corn have been the most
responsive plants in the garden, which I find surprising, considering
the temps. It didn't break 70 F yesterday. We have been having morning
fog and high clouds, comfortable afternoons and, cool evening (by local
standards).

The bees are here. Saw at least a dozen yesterday. They are all over the
violets. We have humming birds that feed on our Chinese lanterns. Now if
I could just think of a way to get rid of the blue jays and encourage a
mocking bird to move in. Any kind of song bird would be nice.

Keep your fingers dirty.

- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum

[FragileWarrior]

Bill Rose > wrote in
:

> In article >,
> Jan Flora > wrote:
>
>> In article
>> >,
>> Bill Rose > wrote:
>>
>> > Last year everything was late. It was my first year growing mostly
>> > from seed and the rain kept me out of the garden until May. I
>> > thought that these herbs had died but they came back this year. I
>> > don't recognize them so I don't think they are weeds. I posted them
>> > in alt.binaries.pictures.gardens. I had to do the last of the 3
>> > posts over. It didn't up-load.
>> >
>> > I'd appreciate any help and I apologize for the quality of the
>> > snaps. It was a rush job as usual. If they don't get identified,
>> > I'll do better next time.
>> >
>> > - Bill
>>
>>
>> 3a looks like a mint on the left and maybe lavender or
>> tarragon on the right.
>>
>> Brush your fingers on the leaves and see what those
>> plants smell like.
>>
>> Mints normally (always?) have square stems.
>>
>> Jan
>
> Yeah, your right Jan, it does look like a mint (square stem and all)
> but it doesn't have a mint smell and it's not "self-heal".

Did you plant bee-balm? It has a sq. stem IIRC and it won't have a mint
smell.

[FragileWarrior]

Charlie wrote in :

> On Thu, 31 May 2007 18:50:43 +0000 (UTC), FragileWarrior
> > wrote:
>
>>Bill Rose > wrote in
:
>>
>>> In article >,
>>> Jan Flora > wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article
>>>> >,
>>>> Bill Rose > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Last year everything was late. It was my first year growing mostly
>>>> > from seed and the rain kept me out of the garden until May. I
>>>> > thought that these herbs had died but they came back this year. I
>>>> > don't recognize them so I don't think they are weeds. I posted
them
>>>> > in alt.binaries.pictures.gardens. I had to do the last of the 3
>>>> > posts over. It didn't up-load.
>>>> >
>>>> > I'd appreciate any help and I apologize for the quality of the
>>>> > snaps. It was a rush job as usual. If they don't get identified,
>>>> > I'll do better next time.
>>>> >
>>>> > - Bill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 3a looks like a mint on the left and maybe lavender or
>>>> tarragon on the right.
>>>>
>>>> Brush your fingers on the leaves and see what those
>>>> plants smell like.
>>>>
>>>> Mints normally (always?) have square stems.
>>>>
>>>> Jan
>>>
>>> Yeah, your right Jan, it does look like a mint (square stem and all)
>>> but it doesn't have a mint smell and it's not "self-heal".
>>
>>Did you plant bee-balm? It has a sq. stem IIRC and it won't have a
mint
>>smell.
>
> You are right, stem is square, I just went outside and looked. But the
> leaves have a light scent reminiscent of catnip? The leaf stems are
> opposite each other.
>
> Charlie
>

Opposite leaves are a trait of the mint family as is the square stem, as
far as I can recall without actually going out and checking out the
garden. Did you plant catnip? Or maybe cat mint? I can't see the pics
so I'm just guessing, of course.

[FragileWarrior]

Charlie wrote in :
[..]
> No, it was bee balm, at least that was what the labeling said it was.
> I have gotten mislabeled pots before. It is not flowering yet, I
> planted it late last year (one of those really late sales at garden
> center) and it didn't bloom last summer.
>
> I'll go take a pic and put it up on abp.gardens.
>
> Done.
>
> Crap.....I was/ am in a hurry. The photos are friggin' huge, I forgot
> to reset the camera or resize the jpg. the first time. The second
> post is a little smaller, but still kinda large. Two shots per
> message.
>
>
>
>
>
> Charlie
>

I can't get abpg. I've asked XNews to get it but it's not up yet. At
least the ID problem is solved!

[mleblanca]

On May 30, 8:19 pm, Bill Rose > wrote:
> In article >, Charlie wrote:
> > On Wed, 30 May 2007 15:47:41 -0700, William Rose >
> > wrote:
>
> > >> Are all the photos of the same plant, Bill?
>
> > >> The first one, shot from the top, looks like echinacea.
>
> > >> Hmmm
> > >> Charlie
>
> > >OK, so I'm not a photographer. The fuzzy pictures were taken with a
> > >polaroid that obviously has no macro capability. The second was taken by
> > >a neighbor who was pressed into service.
> > >Each set is of a different plant 1a&b, 2a&b and, then I got tricky, 3&4
> > >a&b are of two plants, side by side.
> > >Scores will be awarded on the basis of correctness or creativity.
> > >Good luck,
>
> > I'm staying with echinacea on #1. Are the leaves and the stem
> > "sandpapery"? And the stem tough? If it is echinacea, you should see
> > some buds before long.
>
> > Others have to get the others.
>
> > I like this game, kinda like the National Geographic guess the macro
> > shot.
>
> > Chumily
> > Charlie
>
> I'm tempted to say that it is echinacea except that the pictures I've
> seen of echinacea don't show the leaves to be exactly opposit of each
> other, which is the case with my plant.http://www.henriettesherbal.com/pictures/p05/pages/echinacea-purpurea...
> tm
> Otherwise, that's what it looks like except as I say that the leaves on
> my plant are exactly opposite each other the next pair, up or down, are
> at right angles to the first pair of leaves.
>
> So, unless there is something else that looks like echinacea, then that
> is what it must be. Funny, the one planted in the ground never came back
> from last year.
>
> Oh yeah Charlie, it has a roud, not square, stem.
>
> - Bill
> Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)


Well I did go out and look at my echinacea, and I am sure
that this will help a lot>>>>>>>>
Mine has BOTH opposite and alternate leaves.
So another characterisic 'might' be needed.

One nitpicking fact, there are no Blue Jays in Calif.
They will be either Steller's or Scrub Jays. You really
don't want to get rid of them; they are masters at
locating tomato worms and eating/feeding them to
young. They also warn other birds of the presence
of cats. Besides they are big clowns and are great
fun to watch.

(I cannot get alt. bin. etc so that's as much help as
I can give.)
Emilie
NorCal

[Bill Rose]

In article m>,
mleblanca > wrote:

> On May 30, 8:19 pm, Bill Rose > wrote:
> > In article >, Charlie wrote:
> > > On Wed, 30 May 2007 15:47:41 -0700, William Rose >
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > >> Are all the photos of the same plant, Bill?
> >
> > > >> The first one, shot from the top, looks like echinacea.
> >
> > > >> Hmmm
> > > >> Charlie
> >
> > > >OK, so I'm not a photographer. The fuzzy pictures were taken with a
> > > >polaroid that obviously has no macro capability. The second was taken by
> > > >a neighbor who was pressed into service.
> > > >Each set is of a different plant 1a&b, 2a&b and, then I got tricky, 3&4
> > > >a&b are of two plants, side by side.
> > > >Scores will be awarded on the basis of correctness or creativity.
> > > >Good luck,
> >
> > > I'm staying with echinacea on #1. Are the leaves and the stem
> > > "sandpapery"? And the stem tough? If it is echinacea, you should see
> > > some buds before long.
> >
> > > Others have to get the others.
> >
> > > I like this game, kinda like the National Geographic guess the macro
> > > shot.
> >
> > > Chumily
> > > Charlie
> >
> > I'm tempted to say that it is echinacea except that the pictures I've
> > seen of echinacea don't show the leaves to be exactly opposit of each
> > other, which is the case with my
> > plant.http://www.henriettesherbal.com/pictures/p05/pages/echinacea-purpurea.
> > ..
> > tm
> > Otherwise, that's what it looks like except as I say that the leaves on
> > my plant are exactly opposite each other the next pair, up or down, are
> > at right angles to the first pair of leaves.
> >
> > So, unless there is something else that looks like echinacea, then that
> > is what it must be. Funny, the one planted in the ground never came back
> > from last year.
> >
> > Oh yeah Charlie, it has a roud, not square, stem.
> >
> > - Bill
> > Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)
>
>
> Well I did go out and look at my echinacea, and I am sure
> that this will help a lot>>>>>>>>
> Mine has BOTH opposite and alternate leaves.
> So another characterisic 'might' be needed.
>
> One nitpicking fact, there are no Blue Jays in Calif.
> They will be either Steller's or Scrub Jays. You really
> don't want to get rid of them; they are masters at
> locating tomato worms and eating/feeding them to
> young. They also warn other birds of the presence
> of cats. Besides they are big clowns and are great
> fun to watch.
>
> (I cannot get alt. bin. etc so that's as much help as
> I can give.)
> Emilie
> NorCal

Yeah, yeah, what can I say. We call them blue jays or just plain "jays".
We are leaning over the fence talking to each other not writing a text
book on ornithology.
Warn about "cats"? They chase the cats and eat their food. These birds
have real interpersonal problems. They chase the house wrens and, the
bush-tits. They move in gangs. They're just plain mean. I'd still give
all of the for one mocking bird.

- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum

[Bill Rose]

In article >, Charlie wrote:

> On Thu, 31 May 2007 08:25:49 -0700, Bill Rose >
> wrote:
>
>
> >Oh, Charlie,
> >I don't know if I can wait that long. Think I'll take another run at
> >this in a few days after I get some film developed. You remember what
> >film is? Won't get much done today. My Lovey-poo is taking me to see
> >"Paris,je t'aime". I'm hoping for some good views of the worlds #1
> >tourist destination. We'll start in the park across the street from the
> >cinema with a store bought burned rotisserie chicken, baguette and, a
> >bottle of Medoc. I'll put the garden on auto-pilot.
>
> Sounds like a absolutely delightful afternoon ahead. Tell Lovey-poo
> that Charlie wishes her a fine day as well.
>
> Film? Listen, old trout, for the price of film and developement and
> running to the gettin' place and all that, you could take the next
> step. Pretty small learning curve involved. ;-)
>
>
>
> >I'm gonna' have to re-read the last few missives from Jan. I've been
> >running around too much. Looked kinda exotic.
>
> Dovete fare ritardare la vostra fretta
>
> >plus tard,
>
> Mas tarde
>
> >- Bill
> >Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)
>
> Charlie
Konichiwa Charlie,
but spend money Charlie? Are you mad? Have your tires come off their
rims? It will probably happen when Lovey-poo gets me back in harness.
Had lunch under a tree and watched the Canadian geese and, duck swim
around in the lake. The menu was as previously stated. Got to the cinema
early. Had some coffee and a short nap. "Paris, je t'aime" is a crazy
quilt of short stories, some sad, some funny, some weird. I strongly
recommend it. Personally, I was bordering on the verge of melancholy.
Travel is an expensive addiction.

Got me some marigolds for the buddha on the front walk.

Gonna have to get to fixin' the garage soon though before the whole damn
thing come crashing down.

Gotta run. Time for digestives. Alla vostra salute.

- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum

[Charlie[_2_]]

On Thu, 31 May 2007 20:18:58 -0700, Bill Rose >
wrote:


>Konichiwa Charlie,
>but spend money Charlie? Are you mad? Have your tires come off their
>rims? It will probably happen when Lovey-poo gets me back in harness.
>Had lunch under a tree and watched the Canadian geese and, duck swim
>around in the lake. The menu was as previously stated. Got to the cinema
>early. Had some coffee and a short nap. "Paris, je t'aime" is a crazy
>quilt of short stories, some sad, some funny, some weird. I strongly
>recommend it. Personally, I was bordering on the verge of melancholy.
>Travel is an expensive addiction.
>
>Got me some marigolds for the buddha on the front walk.
>
>Gonna have to get to fixin' the garage soon though before the whole damn
>thing come crashing down.
>
>Gotta run. Time for digestives. Alla vostra salute.
>
>- Bill
>Coloribus gustibus non disputatum

Yes, I know what you mean....... but I possess "The Golden Card of
Grandchild"! ("Yes dear, but it is *really* necessary for the
grandchildren")

Bwwaaaaahhaaaaahhaaaa.......oops! Sorry!

It sounds as if you had a lovely day, given digestives are necessary!

Marigolds! Love 'em and so useful. This year I added a couple new
varieties, one African and the other a double-pinwheel. They are a
very tall variety, which I had not noticed before. The Africans are
supposed to be around four feet tall and the doubles as well. They are
already about a foot high and growing like crazy. I'll put up some
pics when they are in their glory.

We always plant lots of the petite varieties in every little space in
the garden and tuck them in pots when possible.

Give Buddha a belly-rub and Lovey-poo a kiss.

"cento di questi giorni!"
Charlie

[Charlie[_2_]]

On Thu, 31 May 2007 20:58:40 +0000 (UTC), FragileWarrior
> wrote:


>
>I can't get abpg. I've asked XNews to get it but it's not up yet. At
>least the ID problem is solved!

Can you configure your newsreader for two different servers or run a
second copy of it?

There are quite a few free and open servers around the world, many
carrying the binary groups, though some come and go.
Alt.binaries.pictures.gardens isn't too racey or high traffic and is
more likely to be available than the, uhhhh.......more "popular" binary
groups.

http://www.newzbot.com/

http://dmoz.org/Computers/Usenet/Public_News_Servers/

http://www.newsservers.net/FreeNewsServers.php

http://www.disenter.com/

http://www.news2mail.com/alt/binaries/pictures/gardens.html

alt.free.newsservers -- Usenet group pertaining to free and/or open
servers

Just a thought
Charlie

[Bill Rose]

In article >,
FragileWarrior > wrote:

> Bill Rose > wrote in
> :
>
> > In article >,
> > Jan Flora > wrote:
> >
> >> In article
> >> >,
> >> Bill Rose > wrote:
> >>
> >> > Last year everything was late. It was my first year growing mostly
> >> > from seed and the rain kept me out of the garden until May. I
> >> > thought that these herbs had died but they came back this year. I
> >> > don't recognize them so I don't think they are weeds. I posted them
> >> > in alt.binaries.pictures.gardens. I had to do the last of the 3
> >> > posts over. It didn't up-load.
> >> >
> >> > I'd appreciate any help and I apologize for the quality of the
> >> > snaps. It was a rush job as usual. If they don't get identified,
> >> > I'll do better next time.
> >> >
> >> > - Bill
> >>
> >>
> >> 3a looks like a mint on the left and maybe lavender or
> >> tarragon on the right.
> >>
> >> Brush your fingers on the leaves and see what those
> >> plants smell like.
> >>
> >> Mints normally (always?) have square stems.
> >>
> >> Jan
> >
> > Yeah, your right Jan, it does look like a mint (square stem and all)
> > but it doesn't have a mint smell and it's not "self-heal".
>
> Did you plant bee-balm? It has a sq. stem IIRC and it won't have a mint
> smell.

Frag, mint it is but I can't find a description that mentions pink
leaves (most are green) or lower stalks being pink. I really thought you
had it because I unsuccessfully started some last year. So it is a very
good guess. I don't think it could have crossed with anything in the
yard because it never got to flower. It's getting late. I'll re-examen
tomorrow.

Thanks,
- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum

[Bill Rose]

In article >, Charlie wrote:

> On Thu, 31 May 2007 20:16:47 +0000 (UTC), FragileWarrior
> > wrote:
>
> >Charlie wrote in :
> >
> >> On Thu, 31 May 2007 18:50:43 +0000 (UTC), FragileWarrior
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>>Bill Rose > wrote in
> :
> >>>
> >>>> In article >,
> >>>> Jan Flora > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> In article
> >>>>> >,
> >>>>> Bill Rose > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> > Last year everything was late. It was my first year growing mostly
> >>>>> > from seed and the rain kept me out of the garden until May. I
> >>>>> > thought that these herbs had died but they came back this year. I
> >>>>> > don't recognize them so I don't think they are weeds. I posted
> >them
> >>>>> > in alt.binaries.pictures.gardens. I had to do the last of the 3
> >>>>> > posts over. It didn't up-load.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > I'd appreciate any help and I apologize for the quality of the
> >>>>> > snaps. It was a rush job as usual. If they don't get identified,
> >>>>> > I'll do better next time.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > - Bill
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 3a looks like a mint on the left and maybe lavender or
> >>>>> tarragon on the right.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Brush your fingers on the leaves and see what those
> >>>>> plants smell like.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mints normally (always?) have square stems.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jan
> >>>>
> >>>> Yeah, your right Jan, it does look like a mint (square stem and all)
> >>>> but it doesn't have a mint smell and it's not "self-heal".
> >>>
> >>>Did you plant bee-balm? It has a sq. stem IIRC and it won't have a
> >mint
> >>>smell.
> >>
> >> You are right, stem is square, I just went outside and looked. But the
> >> leaves have a light scent reminiscent of catnip? The leaf stems are
> >> opposite each other.
> >>
> >> Charlie
> >>
> >
> >Opposite leaves are a trait of the mint family as is the square stem, as
> >far as I can recall without actually going out and checking out the
> >garden. Did you plant catnip? Or maybe cat mint? I can't see the pics
> >so I'm just guessing, of course.
>
> No, it was bee balm, at least that was what the labeling said it was.
> I have gotten mislabeled pots before. It is not flowering yet, I
> planted it late last year (one of those really late sales at garden
> center) and it didn't bloom last summer.
>
> I'll go take a pic and put it up on abp.gardens.
>
> Done.
>
> Crap.....I was/ am in a hurry. The photos are friggin' huge, I forgot
> to reset the camera or resize the jpg. the first time. The second post
> is a little smaller, but still kinda large. Two shots per message.
>
>
>
>
>
> Charlie
Thing is the base of my stalks are pink and if you look closely you will
see five or six pink leaves. No obvious mint smell or taste to the
leaves.
- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum

[mleblanca]

On May 31, 7:56 pm, Bill Rose > wrote:
> In article m>,
>
>
>
> mleblanca > wrote:
> > On May 30, 8:19 pm, Bill Rose > wrote:
> > > In article >, Charlie wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 30 May 2007 15:47:41 -0700, William Rose >
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > >> Are all the photos of the same plant, Bill?
>
> > > > >> The first one, shot from the top, looks like echinacea.
>
> > > > >> Hmmm
> > > > >> Charlie
>
> > > > >OK, so I'm not a photographer. The fuzzy pictures were taken with a
> > > > >polaroid that obviously has no macro capability. The second was taken by
> > > > >a neighbor who was pressed into service.
> > > > >Each set is of a different plant 1a&b, 2a&b and, then I got tricky, 3&4
> > > > >a&b are of two plants, side by side.
> > > > >Scores will be awarded on the basis of correctness or creativity.
> > > > >Good luck,
>
> > > > I'm staying with echinacea on #1. Are the leaves and the stem
> > > > "sandpapery"? And the stem tough? If it is echinacea, you should see
> > > > some buds before long.
>
> > > > Others have to get the others.
>
> > > > I like this game, kinda like the National Geographic guess the macro
> > > > shot.
>
> > > > Chumily
> > > > Charlie
>
> > > I'm tempted to say that it is echinacea except that the pictures I've
> > > seen of echinacea don't show the leaves to be exactly opposit of each
> > > other, which is the case with my
> > > plant.http://www.henriettesherbal.com/pictures/p05/pages/echinacea-purpurea.
> > > ..
> > > tm
> > > Otherwise, that's what it looks like except as I say that the leaves on
> > > my plant are exactly opposite each other the next pair, up or down, are
> > > at right angles to the first pair of leaves.
>
> > > So, unless there is something else that looks like echinacea, then that
> > > is what it must be. Funny, the one planted in the ground never came back
> > > from last year.
>
> > > Oh yeah Charlie, it has a roud, not square, stem.
>
> > > - Bill
> > > Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)
>
> > Well I did go out and look at my echinacea, and I am sure
> > that this will help a lot>>>>>>>>
> > Mine has BOTH opposite and alternate leaves.
> > So another characterisic 'might' be needed.
>
> > One nitpicking fact, there are no Blue Jays in Calif.
> > They will be either Steller's or Scrub Jays. You really
> > don't want to get rid of them; they are masters at
> > locating tomato worms and eating/feeding them to
> > young. They also warn other birds of the presence
> > of cats. Besides they are big clowns and are great
> > fun to watch.
>

>
> Yeah, yeah, what can I say. We call them blue jays or just plain "jays".
> We are leaning over the fence talking to each other not writing a text
> book on ornithology.
Oh now.........if I wanted to teach you ornithology I would have said:
There are no Cyanocitta cristata in CA; we have Cyanocitta stelleri
and Aphelocoma californica. Don't get testy :^) There will be no
test....

> Warn about "cats"? They chase the cats and eat their food. These birds
> have real interpersonal problems. They chase the house wrens and, the
> bush-tits. They move in gangs. They're just plain mean.
Hmm, they sound almost like humans, don't they? Some people don't like
them I'd guess, because the jays are smarter than they are (present
company excepted, of course) Maybe Coastal Jays are mean from all
that fog and mist!! Our are just funny.

>I'd still give
> all of the for one mocking bird.
My mockingbird leaves the first of May. He goes down to the creek
to help with raising the younguns. No singing at this time, too busy
>
> - Bill
> Coloribus gustibus non dispu

Emilie

[Bill Rose]

In article . com>,
mleblanca > wrote:


>
> >I'd still give
> > all of the for one mocking bird.
> My mockingbird leaves the first of May. He goes down to the creek
> to help with raising the younguns. No singing at this time, too busy
> >
> > - Bill
> > Coloribus gustibus non dispu
>
> Emilie

Friends of ours had a tree where a mockingbird nested for 3 years in a
row. I could have listen to that bird all night. The drive to their hour
took us by fields with a small brook, where deer would be grazing in
the long shadows. That and the food that our friends made, made every
other Sat. an event that I awaited with great anticipation. Mockingbird
left, friends left, deer left but I still do the Sat. night barbeque.
I'd love to listen to a mockingbird again.

- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)

[FragileWarrior]

Bill Rose > wrote in news:rosefam-DD4294.13255001062007
@cor8-ppp5025.per.dsl.connect.net.au:

> In article . com>,
> mleblanca > wrote:
>
>
>>
>> >I'd still give
>> > all of the for one mocking bird.
>> My mockingbird leaves the first of May. He goes down to the creek
>> to help with raising the younguns. No singing at this time, too busy
>> >
>> > - Bill
>> > Coloribus gustibus non dispu
>>
>> Emilie
>
> Friends of ours had a tree where a mockingbird nested for 3 years in a
> row. I could have listen to that bird all night. The drive to their
hour
> took us by fields with a small brook, where deer would be grazing in
> the long shadows. That and the food that our friends made, made every
> other Sat. an event that I awaited with great anticipation. Mockingbird
> left, friends left, deer left but I still do the Sat. night barbeque.
> I'd love to listen to a mockingbird again.
>
> - Bill
> Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)

In what part of the country do you have mockingbirds? Do you plant stuff
that will encourage them come 'round?

I saw my first hummingbird yesterday -- a nice Ruby Throat male. I was
so thrilled I could have kissed his pointy little beak. I know in groups
they are really not a nice bird but I love their little humming souls.

[Bill Rose]

In article >,
FragileWarrior > wrote:

> Bill Rose > wrote in news:rosefam-DD4294.13255001062007
> @cor8-ppp5025.per.dsl.connect.net.au:
>
> > In article . com>,
> > mleblanca > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >> >I'd still give
> >> > all of the for one mocking bird.
> >> My mockingbird leaves the first of May. He goes down to the creek
> >> to help with raising the younguns. No singing at this time, too busy
> >> >
> >> > - Bill
> >> > Coloribus gustibus non dispu
> >>
> >> Emilie
> >
> > Friends of ours had a tree where a mockingbird nested for 3 years in a
> > row. I could have listen to that bird all night. The drive to their
> hour
> > took us by fields with a small brook, where deer would be grazing in
> > the long shadows. That and the food that our friends made, made every
> > other Sat. an event that I awaited with great anticipation. Mockingbird
> > left, friends left, deer left but I still do the Sat. night barbeque.
> > I'd love to listen to a mockingbird again.
> >
> > - Bill
> > Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)
>
> In what part of the country do you have mockingbirds? Do you plant stuff
> that will encourage them come 'round?
>
> I saw my first hummingbird yesterday -- a nice Ruby Throat male. I was
> so thrilled I could have kissed his pointy little beak. I know in groups
> they are really not a nice bird but I love their little humming souls.

This is Northern California. I have no idea what the mockingbird lived
on. I'd grow a bunch if I knew. I've tried various bird feeders but all
I get is more jays (colored blue).

Humming birds have been here for about 4 weeks, mainly feeding on our
Chinese lanterns.

It seems every year at the beginning of summer we get a smattering of
song birds but then they move on leaving us with the croaking of the
jays (blue types) and, the little chirps of the house wrens and
bush-tits for the rest of the summer. I have a feeder for the small
birds, that provides black sunflower seeds and there is an ariel water
bowl because we have 5 cats and a number of inquisitive squirrels.

- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)

[mleblanca]

On Jun 1, 6:27 pm, Bill Rose > wrote:
> In article >,
>
>
>
> FragileWarrior > wrote:
> > Bill Rose > wrote in news:rosefam-DD4294.13255001062007
> > @cor8-ppp5025.per.dsl.connect.net.au:
>
> > > In article . com>,
> > > mleblanca > wrote:
>
> > >> >I'd still give
> > >> > all of the for one mocking bird.
> > >> My mockingbird leaves the first of May. He goes down to the creek
> > >> to help with raising the younguns. No singing at this time, too busy
>
> > >> > - Bill
> > >> > Coloribus gustibus non dispu
>
> > >> Emilie
>
> > > Friends of ours had a tree where a mockingbird nested for 3 years in a
> > > row. I could have listen to that bird all night. The drive to their
> > hour
> > > took us by fields with a small brook, where deer would be grazing in
> > > the long shadows. That and the food that our friends made, made every
> > > other Sat. an event that I awaited with great anticipation. Mockingbird
> > > left, friends left, deer left but I still do the Sat. night barbeque.
> > > I'd love to listen to a mockingbird again.
>
> > > - Bill
> > > Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)
>
> > In what part of the country do you have mockingbirds? Do you plant stuff
> > that will encourage them come 'round?
>
> > I saw my first hummingbird yesterday -- a nice Ruby Throat male. I was
> > so thrilled I could have kissed his pointy little beak. I know in groups
> > they are really not a nice bird but I love their little humming souls.
>
> This is Northern California. I have no idea what the mockingbird lived
> on. I'd grow a bunch if I knew. I've tried various bird feeders but all
> I get is more jays (colored blue).
>
> Humming birds have been here for about 4 weeks, mainly feeding on our
> Chinese lanterns.
>
> It seems every year at the beginning of summer we get a smattering of
> song birds but then they move on leaving us with the croaking of the
> jays (blue types) and, the little chirps of the house wrens and
> bush-tits for the rest of the summer. I have a feeder for the small
> birds, that provides black sunflower seeds and there is an ariel water
> bowl because we have 5 cats and a number of inquisitive squirrels.
>
> - Bill
> Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)


FW and Bill
Yes, Nor Calif here too. MB are not seed eaters; but eat fruits/
berries, insects, even lizards/small snakes. They won't come to
a feeder with sunflower/seeds etc. The MB came here first to the
berries on the Grape Holly and the Viburnum tinus and currants.
Probably any local berries that form in the fall or early winter would
work.
I also put out persimmons for the kinglets and warblers and then
discovered that the MB loves persimmons too. I make a treat of
peanut butter mixed with cornmeal, which many of the other
small insect eaters like. The MB found it this
winter and would come right up on the porch for it...became quite
tame. Would watch for me to put it out in the early am and then
fly right down. The books say raisins are good, but this one didn't
touch them.
The MB comes here in early fall, singing up a concert establishing
a feeding territory, then sing to attract a mate, nest near the creek
and then move to cooler places about mid May.
I, too, love their songs, even if they do sing at 4 am!
Emilie

[mleblanca]

>
>
>
> > Bill Rose > wrote

> ..... jays (colored blue).
and

> jays (blue types)
>


Oh William, I am so proud of you. Two times in one post!
:^))
You get an A+ for the day
Emilie
Hope you get your Mockingbird