Need a tomato expert to help!

[WSZsr]

I have the same problem every year. I have raised beds with well drained
amended soil. My plants start out great but just when they start to bare
fruit, they begin to wither and turn yellow.

Here is a few pictures:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b286/wszsr/DSC_0685Medium.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b286/wszsr/DSC_0686Medium.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b286/wszsr/DSC_0687Medium.jpg

If you have the time, take a look at the pics. Advice would be greatly
appreciated!

Thx

[Dave]

"WSZsr" > wrote in message
...
>I have the same problem every year. I have raised beds with well drained
>amended soil. My plants start out great but just when they start to bare
>fruit, they begin to wither and turn yellow.
>
> Here is a few pictures:
>
> http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b286/wszsr/DSC_0685Medium.jpg
>
> http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b286/wszsr/DSC_0686Medium.jpg
>
> http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b286/wszsr/DSC_0687Medium.jpg
>
> If you have the time, take a look at the pics. Advice would be greatly
> appreciated!
>
> Thx
>
>
>

No expert here. Looks overcrowded. 5" depth of elevated soil and mulch by
the pictures.

Dave

[jangchub]

On Sun, 3 Jun 2007 22:08:52 -0500, "WSZsr" > wrote:

>I have the same problem every year. I have raised beds with well drained
>amended soil. My plants start out great but just when they start to bare
>fruit, they begin to wither and turn yellow.
>
>Here is a few pictures:
>
>http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b286/wszsr/DSC_0685Medium.jpg
>
>http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b286/wszsr/DSC_0686Medium.jpg
>
>http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b286/wszsr/DSC_0687Medium.jpg
>
>If you have the time, take a look at the pics. Advice would be greatly
>appreciated!
>
>Thx

I can't see the foliage close enough to know what it is.. It may be
found here:

http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/tomatoproblemsolver/leaves/index.html

[Victor Martinez]

WSZsr wrote:
> If you have the time, take a look at the pics. Advice would be greatly
> appreciated!

What are you fertilizing with?

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[WSZsr]

Here is a better pic:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b286/wszsr/tomato005Large.jpg


"jangchub" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 3 Jun 2007 22:08:52 -0500, "WSZsr" > wrote:
>
>>I have the same problem every year. I have raised beds with well drained
>>amended soil. My plants start out great but just when they start to bare
>>fruit, they begin to wither and turn yellow.
>>
>>Here is a few pictures:
>>
>>http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b286/wszsr/DSC_0685Medium.jpg
>>
>>http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b286/wszsr/DSC_0686Medium.jpg
>>
>>http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b286/wszsr/DSC_0687Medium.jpg
>>
>>If you have the time, take a look at the pics. Advice would be greatly
>>appreciated!
>>
>>Thx
>
> I can't see the foliage close enough to know what it is.. It may be
> found here:
>
> http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/tomatoproblemsolver/leaves/index.html

[WSZsr]

Is it too late to plant more tomatoes?

"Victor Martinez" > wrote in message
...
> WSZsr wrote:
>> If you have the time, take a look at the pics. Advice would be greatly
>> appreciated!
>
> What are you fertilizing with?
>
> --
> Victor M. Martinez
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[Victor Martinez]

WSZsr wrote:
> Is it too late to plant more tomatoes?

Yes, they won't set fruit. But you can plant some in August for fall
harvest.

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[jangchub]

You will have another opportunity in July for fall tomatoes. Join the
newsletter at www.naturalgardeneraustin.com and it will tell you month
by month what you can plant...if they still have a newsletter.


On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 07:59:04 -0500, "WSZsr" > wrote:

>Is it too late to plant more tomatoes?
>
>"Victor Martinez" > wrote in message
...
>> WSZsr wrote:
>>> If you have the time, take a look at the pics. Advice would be greatly
>>> appreciated!
>>
>> What are you fertilizing with?
>>
>> --
>> Victor M. Martinez
>> Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM)
>> Send your spam here:
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[jangchub]

It looks like early blight to me the way it is spotty and the edges
are curled up and brown. There are some photo's here:

http://www.ext.vt.edu/pubs/plantdiseasefs/450-708/450-708.html



On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 07:50:58 -0500, "WSZsr" > wrote:

>Here is a better pic:
>
>http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b286/wszsr/tomato005Large.jpg
>
>
>"jangchub" > wrote in message
...
>> On Sun, 3 Jun 2007 22:08:52 -0500, "WSZsr" > wrote:
>>
>>>I have the same problem every year. I have raised beds with well drained
>>>amended soil. My plants start out great but just when they start to bare
>>>fruit, they begin to wither and turn yellow.
>>>
>>>Here is a few pictures:
>>>
>>>http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b286/wszsr/DSC_0685Medium.jpg
>>>
>>>http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b286/wszsr/DSC_0686Medium.jpg
>>>
>>>http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b286/wszsr/DSC_0687Medium.jpg
>>>
>>>If you have the time, take a look at the pics. Advice would be greatly
>>>appreciated!
>>>
>>>Thx
>>
>> I can't see the foliage close enough to know what it is.. It may be
>> found here:
>>
>> http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/tomatoproblemsolver/leaves/index.html

[WSZsr]

Haven't fertilized at all. Added a premium "landscapers mix" soil and
compost from a local supply house here in Round Rock. Rototilled before
planting.


"Victor Martinez" > wrote in message
...
> WSZsr wrote:
>> If you have the time, take a look at the pics. Advice would be greatly
>> appreciated!
>
> What are you fertilizing with?
>
> --
> Victor M. Martinez
> Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM)
> Send your spam here:
> Email me here:

[jangchub]

I can't read Victor's mind, but "landscapers mix" can mean anything!
Fertilizer is very inportant for tomatoes. Watering evenly and
steadily is also very important to tomato production. I suggest you
fertilize them with either Sustane or Ladybug Brand granular
fertilizer according to the label directions. However, because of
lack of fertilization, I believe your plants in their weakened state
developed early blight.

On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 21:43:37 -0500, "WSZsr" > wrote:

>Haven't fertilized at all. Added a premium "landscapers mix" soil and
>compost from a local supply house here in Round Rock. Rototilled before
>planting.
>
>
>"Victor Martinez" > wrote in message
...
>> WSZsr wrote:
>>> If you have the time, take a look at the pics. Advice would be greatly
>>> appreciated!
>>
>> What are you fertilizing with?
>>
>> --
>> Victor M. Martinez
>> Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM)
>> Send your spam here:
>> Email me here:

[Victor Martinez]

jangchub wrote:
> I can't read Victor's mind, but "landscapers mix" can mean anything!

Agreed. :)

> fertilizer according to the label directions. However, because of
> lack of fertilization, I believe your plants in their weakened state
> developed early blight.

Bingo! When we grew tomatoes (none this year, our trees grew too fast
and now it's too shady) we fertilized with organic granular fertilizer
when planting. During the growing season, we fertilized with a liquid
mix that can be absorbed by foliage and roots. We always excellent yield
and very healthy plants.

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[jangchub]

On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 07:53:18 -0500, Victor Martinez >
wrote:

>jangchub wrote:
>> I can't read Victor's mind, but "landscapers mix" can mean anything!
>
>Agreed. :)
>
>> fertilizer according to the label directions. However, because of
>> lack of fertilization, I believe your plants in their weakened state
>> developed early blight.
>
>Bingo! When we grew tomatoes (none this year, our trees grew too fast
>and now it's too shady) we fertilized with organic granular fertilizer
>when planting. During the growing season, we fertilized with a liquid
>mix that can be absorbed by foliage and roots. We always excellent yield
>and very healthy plants.

We are having the same problem! Running out of sun room to plant in.
When we bought this house nothing was here. Not a shadow. Now, the
trees and surrounding shrubs and plants create so much shade that the
only true full sun I get is out front and only in one of the beds.
That said, in a few years the burr oak we planted has now grown at
least 4 feet in two years that in a few years sun will be rather
scarce. I never would have thought to complain about NOT having
enough sunny spots!

I tried a new heirloom this year I picked up at "Gardens." 'Mexico'
is the name. Flowers, but no fruit yet. However, the Japanese
eggplant is doing fabulously well. I have to pick four today.

v

[Omelet]

In article >,
jangchub > wrote:

> On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 07:53:18 -0500, Victor Martinez >
> wrote:
>
> >jangchub wrote:
> >> I can't read Victor's mind, but "landscapers mix" can mean anything!
> >
> >Agreed. :)
> >
> >> fertilizer according to the label directions. However, because of
> >> lack of fertilization, I believe your plants in their weakened state
> >> developed early blight.
> >
> >Bingo! When we grew tomatoes (none this year, our trees grew too fast
> >and now it's too shady) we fertilized with organic granular fertilizer
> >when planting. During the growing season, we fertilized with a liquid
> >mix that can be absorbed by foliage and roots. We always excellent yield
> >and very healthy plants.
>
> We are having the same problem! Running out of sun room to plant in.
> When we bought this house nothing was here. Not a shadow. Now, the
> trees and surrounding shrubs and plants create so much shade that the
> only true full sun I get is out front and only in one of the beds.
> That said, in a few years the burr oak we planted has now grown at
> least 4 feet in two years that in a few years sun will be rather
> scarce. I never would have thought to complain about NOT having
> enough sunny spots!
>
> I tried a new heirloom this year I picked up at "Gardens." 'Mexico'
> is the name. Flowers, but no fruit yet. However, the Japanese
> eggplant is doing fabulously well. I have to pick four today.
>
> v

You can prune the trees back a bit. ;-)

It won't kill them.
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[jangchub]

On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 11:50:50 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:
>> We are having the same problem! Running out of sun room to plant in.
>> When we bought this house nothing was here. Not a shadow. Now, the
>> trees and surrounding shrubs and plants create so much shade that the
>> only true full sun I get is out front and only in one of the beds.
>> That said, in a few years the burr oak we planted has now grown at
>> least 4 feet in two years that in a few years sun will be rather
>> scarce. I never would have thought to complain about NOT having
>> enough sunny spots!
>>
>> I tried a new heirloom this year I picked up at "Gardens." 'Mexico'
>> is the name. Flowers, but no fruit yet. However, the Japanese
>> eggplant is doing fabulously well. I have to pick four today.
>>
>> v
>
>You can prune the trees back a bit. ;-)
>
>It won't kill them.

These trees are live oaks on steroids! There are no trees here
younger than 200 years old and my neighbors tree has a canopy of
almost 150 feet with a diameter of 5 feet. We bought one of those
tree chain saw things and prune the trees at the proper times of year
to prevent oak wilt (not in the area, but still being cautious). I
tell ya, in months it seems the canopy is back down hitting me in the
head.

Now, the peaches will soon be plumping and golding up. I cannot wait
to sloosh into my first scrumptious, totally organic, full of sugar
peaches.

Victoria

[Omelet]

In article >,
jangchub > wrote:

> >You can prune the trees back a bit. ;-)
> >
> >It won't kill them.
>
> These trees are live oaks on steroids! There are no trees here
> younger than 200 years old and my neighbors tree has a canopy of
> almost 150 feet with a diameter of 5 feet. We bought one of those
> tree chain saw things and prune the trees at the proper times of year
> to prevent oak wilt (not in the area, but still being cautious). I
> tell ya, in months it seems the canopy is back down hitting me in the
> head.

I understand... :-)
My live oaks out back provide the critters with shade (2 dogs, 2 ducks
and 1 emu) but I'm a bit more ruthless with the hackberry and the elm
trees so I have sun over 1/2 the back yard. The herb garden gets full
sun too but so does that side of the house. I actually put external
blinds over the windows.

As for tree branches hitting my head? A bored border collie takes care
of that! She loves to jump up and tear branches down. I had to wire off
the cedar tree as she tore bark strips, and the crepe myrtle had to be
wired off too.

She can "prune" the hackberry all she wants. The tree is huge and she
can't hurt it.

I have a simple lopper/pruning saw combo and an electric chainsaw where
needed. I like the electric saw because it's light in weight.

>
> Now, the peaches will soon be plumping and golding up. I cannot wait
> to sloosh into my first scrumptious, totally organic, full of sugar
> peaches.
>
> Victoria

Sounds wonderful. :-)
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[Victor Martinez]

Omelet wrote:
> You can prune the trees back a bit. ;-)
>
> It won't kill them.

The only pruning I would do to a tree would be to remove branches that
obstruct the way or damage the tree when brushing against each other.
Trying to prune a tree to prevent it's natural canopy from forming is
not something I'd do. :)

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[Omelet]

In article >,
Victor Martinez > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> > You can prune the trees back a bit. ;-)
> >
> > It won't kill them.
>
> The only pruning I would do to a tree would be to remove branches that
> obstruct the way or damage the tree when brushing against each other.
> Trying to prune a tree to prevent it's natural canopy from forming is
> not something I'd do. :)

Hey, I gotta protect my house roof! ;-)

And trimming the lower canopy back a bit is not bad for the tree.
Remember, I said "a bit".

Sometimes it does not take much to give your ground plants more sun.

At least I did not say "cut some trees down". <G> I don't do that either
in most cases, unless a new tree is threatening my foundation.
I have a very nice bunch of trees here, including 1 old OLD cedar and an
even older Mesquite. That old Mesquite is nearly 2 ft. across at the
base.

The only trees I take out are all of the sprouts that come up every year
from the hackberries and the ligustrums. Those are fair game as "weeds".

The pecans the bloody squirrels plant every year get dug up and potted
as soon as I spot them and if they survive, I give them away.
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[jangchub]

On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 07:33:01 -0500, Victor Martinez >
wrote:

>Omelet wrote:
>> You can prune the trees back a bit. ;-)
>>
>> It won't kill them.
>
>The only pruning I would do to a tree would be to remove branches that
>obstruct the way or damage the tree when brushing against each other.
>Trying to prune a tree to prevent it's natural canopy from forming is
>not something I'd do. :)

Me either. There are so many fantastic shade plants I love that it's
almost a blessing to have so much shade. Knowing that I created much
of it because the day I moved in I planted trees have now provided me
with shade. So, for this reason I grow my tomatoes and eggplant in
containers and have to set them out by the pool. Next year I will
plant them in really nice planters. Maybe I'll make some hypertuffa
and put it on the outside of the container using chicken wire to hold
it on the pot. At least it won't be this ugly plastic thing.

[pistor]

On Jun 6, 10:24 am, jangchub > wrote:
> Me either. There are so many fantastic shade plants I love that it's
> almost a blessing to have so much shade. Knowing that I created much

We didn't expect the bald cypress to grow so fast, but that means we
can now start planning the shade garden with gingers and ferns!

> plant them in really nice planters. Maybe I'll make some hypertuffa
> and put it on the outside of the container using chicken wire to hold
> it on the pot. At least it won't be this ugly plastic thing.

I've decided I'll just buy my produce from Boggy Creek farm.. :) It's
just as fresh and also organic and I love supporting them. I'll stick
to herbs as far as kitchen plants go.

Cheers.

Victor

[pistor]

On Jun 6, 8:09 am, Omelet > wrote:
> Hey, I gotta protect my house roof! ;-)

Yeah! Us too, we've removed some dangerous limbs from above the house.

> At least I did not say "cut some trees down". <G> I don't do that either

We've cut down all the original trees in the back now, the last one
went down this spring. We've replaced undesirable species or trees in
bad locations, with better species according to the master plan. :)

> I have a very nice bunch of trees here, including 1 old OLD cedar and an
> even older Mesquite. That old Mesquite is nearly 2 ft. across at the
> base.

That's a big mesquite! The oldest trees we have left now are chinese
elms in the front. And this year our bald cypress will be just as
tall!!! Those elms are 50 years old!

> The only trees I take out are all of the sprouts that come up every year
> from the hackberries and the ligustrums. Those are fair game as "weeds".

Most volunteer trees are treated as weeds around here. :)

> The pecans the bloody squirrels plant every year get dug up and potted
> as soon as I spot them and if they survive, I give them away.

We do that with agaves. :)

Cheers.

Victor

[Omelet]

In article . com>,
pistor > wrote:

> On Jun 6, 8:09 am, Omelet > wrote:

> > I have a very nice bunch of trees here, including 1 old OLD cedar and an
> > even older Mesquite. That old Mesquite is nearly 2 ft. across at the
> > base.
>
> That's a big mesquite!

I think it's unusually big.
I should take pictures.

It drops enough dead branches to provide some nice smoking wood.

I never cut it.

> The oldest trees we have left now are chinese
> elms in the front. And this year our bald cypress will be just as
> tall!!! Those elms are 50 years old!

Not sure how old my post oaks and elms are, or the hackberry, but they
were a decent size when I bought this place 20 years ago.

I love the souls of old trees.

>
> > The only trees I take out are all of the sprouts that come up every year
> > from the hackberries and the ligustrums. Those are fair game as "weeds".
>
> Most volunteer trees are treated as weeds around here. :)

Heh!

>
> > The pecans the bloody squirrels plant every year get dug up and potted
> > as soon as I spot them and if they survive, I give them away.
>
> We do that with agaves. :)
>
> Cheers.
>
> Victor

I know. <G> I have a couple of yours in pots.

I also have one large agave in a pot that I dug up out of the wild
somewhere and it's beginning to produce pups.

They will get "rescued".
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[jangchub]

On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 15:39:55 -0000, pistor > wrote:

>On Jun 6, 10:24 am, jangchub > wrote:
>> Me either. There are so many fantastic shade plants I love that it's
>> almost a blessing to have so much shade. Knowing that I created much
>
>We didn't expect the bald cypress to grow so fast, but that means we
>can now start planning the shade garden with gingers and ferns!
>
>> plant them in really nice planters. Maybe I'll make some hypertuffa
>> and put it on the outside of the container using chicken wire to hold
>> it on the pot. At least it won't be this ugly plastic thing.
>
>I've decided I'll just buy my produce from Boggy Creek farm.. :) It's
>just as fresh and also organic and I love supporting them. I'll stick
>to herbs as far as kitchen plants go.
>
>Cheers.
>
>Victor

Yeah, but Boggy Creek is 45 miles away from my house! I appreciate
what you are saying, but that's sort of far to drive considering gas
is what it is and round trip it's 90 miles. So....

[jangchub]

I have a hackberry on the west side of the house which furnishes the
entire property with it's delightful seeds which I think the birds
poop out.

Anyway, it is HUGE and shades the garage very nicely. However, I
can't stand the weed part. Would you cut it down, and if so, who'd
you hire to do it. It's in a precarious part of the yard with very
little room between the house and the fence and the neighbors garage.

Victoria

[Omelet]

In article >,
jangchub > wrote:

> I have a hackberry on the west side of the house which furnishes the
> entire property with it's delightful seeds which I think the birds
> poop out.
>
> Anyway, it is HUGE and shades the garage very nicely. However, I
> can't stand the weed part. Would you cut it down, and if so, who'd
> you hire to do it. It's in a precarious part of the yard with very
> little room between the house and the fence and the neighbors garage.
>
> Victoria

I just pay mexican labor to pull the weeds for me. ;-)
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[pistor]

On Jun 6, 4:52 pm, jangchub > wrote:
> Yeah, but Boggy Creek is 45 miles away from my house! I appreciate
> what you are saying, but that's sort of far to drive considering gas
> is what it is and round trip it's 90 miles. So....

Absolutely! Part of supporting local agro-businesses is reducing fuel
consumption. There may be an organic farm closer to you.

Cheers.

Victor

[dt]

jangchub wrote:

> I have a hackberry on the west side of the house which furnishes the
> entire property with it's delightful seeds which I think the birds
> poop out.
>
> Anyway, it is HUGE and shades the garage very nicely. However, I
> can't stand the weed part. Would you cut it down, and if so, who'd
> you hire to do it. It's in a precarious part of the yard with very
> little room between the house and the fence and the neighbors garage.
>
> Victoria

Hackberry is probably my least-favorite tree. If it's HUGE and shading
the garage, it's probably going to at least partially fall on the garage
at some point in time. There's at least one giant hackberry out east of
Webberville that split and both halves came down in that storm Sunday.

If you're really looking for a service, my girlfriend used They Might Be
Monkeys. http://theymightbemonkeys.citysearch.com/ She said they seemed
to know what they were doing, and were very careful, both with the trees
and their persons. They also advert^K^K^K *support* KUT, FWIW.

Me, I gotta get a new chain for the ol' Sears electric chainsaw, and get
after some of my broken elms.

DT

[jangchub]

On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:22:49 -0000, pistor > wrote:

>On Jun 6, 4:52 pm, jangchub > wrote:
>> Yeah, but Boggy Creek is 45 miles away from my house! I appreciate
>> what you are saying, but that's sort of far to drive considering gas
>> is what it is and round trip it's 90 miles. So....
>
>Absolutely! Part of supporting local agro-businesses is reducing fuel
>consumption. There may be an organic farm closer to you.
>
>Cheers.
>
>Victor
>

I think the farmers market in Round Rock will start up again soon, if
not already. I am not sure I've seen any organic farmers there, but I
will check it out this year again.

I feel like such a jerk driving around in my Expedition. I bought it
ten years ago and paid cash for it. There is nothing wrong with it
and it only has 65,000 miles on it! I really want to buy a scooter or
small motorcycle, but my hubs thinks I will get killed on it. He is
probably right, I'm the biggest klutz on earth.

Oh well, I'll drive it till it drops then buy a Cooper or a VW.

[Omelet]

In article >,
jangchub > wrote:

> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:22:49 -0000, pistor > wrote:
>
> >On Jun 6, 4:52 pm, jangchub > wrote:
> >> Yeah, but Boggy Creek is 45 miles away from my house! I appreciate
> >> what you are saying, but that's sort of far to drive considering gas
> >> is what it is and round trip it's 90 miles. So....
> >
> >Absolutely! Part of supporting local agro-businesses is reducing fuel
> >consumption. There may be an organic farm closer to you.
> >
> >Cheers.
> >
> >Victor
> >
>
> I think the farmers market in Round Rock will start up again soon, if
> not already. I am not sure I've seen any organic farmers there, but I
> will check it out this year again.
>
> I feel like such a jerk driving around in my Expedition. I bought it
> ten years ago and paid cash for it. There is nothing wrong with it
> and it only has 65,000 miles on it! I really want to buy a scooter or
> small motorcycle, but my hubs thinks I will get killed on it. He is
> probably right, I'm the biggest klutz on earth.
>
> Oh well, I'll drive it till it drops then buy a Cooper or a VW.

<rofl> I can so relate...

I can't afford car payments for a hybrid, and my dad (who lives with me)
would be scared to death for me if I got a motorcycle or similar vehicle!

Funny isn't it that those that we love tend to rule our lives? :-)

I'd not have it any other way...
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[Treedweller]

On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 16:57:21 -0500, jangchub >
wrote:

>I have a hackberry on the west side of the house which furnishes the
>entire property with it's delightful seeds which I think the birds
>poop out.
>
>Anyway, it is HUGE and shades the garage very nicely. However, I
>can't stand the weed part. Would you cut it down, and if so, who'd
>you hire to do it. It's in a precarious part of the yard with very
>little room between the house and the fence and the neighbors garage.
>
>Victoria
I've seen some nice hackberry trees here and there, but they are the
exceptions. Being bird-planted, they tend to be in the worst
locations. Being viewed as "trash trees," they tend to be abused
and/or ignored. Even with proper care, they are prone to mistletoe,
which can lead to weakness, and poor structure, which represents
inherent weakness. They often succumb to hypoxylon, a disease that
might go unnoticed to the untrained eye but could lead to failure. I
wouldn't condemn your tree without seeing it, but I don't think I'd be
inclined to keep a hackberry right over my house like that. too many
things to get damaged if it breaks.

I won't offer a recommendation for a specific company since I have a
conflict of interest, but I strongly suggest you make sure the company
you hire has a liability policy that specifically covers work aloft in
a tree. Most lawn care companies do not have such coverage. Do not
hesitate to ask for proof of this policy. Consider calling the
underwriter to make sure it's valid.

Keith Babberney
ISA Certified Arborist #TX-0236AT

PS How does this jibe with your no-kill buddhism? I'm seriously
asking, though I can see how this might sound like a smart-ass quip.
If you decide to keep the tree, a qualified arborist can evaluate the
risk and help you find ways to mitigate.

[jangchub]

On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 16:25:13 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

><rofl> I can so relate...
>
>I can't afford car payments for a hybrid, and my dad (who lives with me)
>would be scared to death for me if I got a motorcycle or similar vehicle!
>
>Funny isn't it that those that we love tend to rule our lives? :-)
>
>I'd not have it any other way...

That's the other option; a hybrid. I am waiting until they can make
a decent hybrid with amazing mileage. I don't WANT a car payment. We
have virtually no debt. A few hundred on a credit card because I pay
for everything with it and it's paid at the end of the month.

Mark doesn't rule over my life, but as his wife I do owe him a certain
level of reverance because he is probably right in this case!

V

[jangchub]

On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:15:10 -0500, Treedweller
> wrote:


>PS How does this jibe with your no-kill buddhism? I'm seriously
>asking, though I can see how this might sound like a smart-ass quip.
>If you decide to keep the tree, a qualified arborist can evaluate the
>risk and help you find ways to mitigate.

A tree is not a sentient being that we know of. It does not have
consciousness. While Buddhists believe a consciousness can reside in
a tree, which would be considered one of the hell realms, trees are
not sentient.

We are constantly killing every time we breath. There isn't an atom
of space where a sentient being is. When we walk, we crush insects,
when we shower we kill bacterial, etc. If we are mndful of the lives
we take daily, we purify with sincerity for anything you killed
without knowing, or

Why do you consider taking out a tree as going against Buddhism and
the tenet of no killing?

F

[Omelet]

In article >,
jangchub > wrote:

> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 16:25:13 -0500, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> ><rofl> I can so relate...
> >
> >I can't afford car payments for a hybrid, and my dad (who lives with me)
> >would be scared to death for me if I got a motorcycle or similar vehicle!
> >
> >Funny isn't it that those that we love tend to rule our lives? :-)
> >
> >I'd not have it any other way...
>
> That's the other option; a hybrid. I am waiting until they can make
> a decent hybrid with amazing mileage. I don't WANT a car payment. We
> have virtually no debt. A few hundred on a credit card because I pay
> for everything with it and it's paid at the end of the month.

I'm waiting for an affordable hybrid.
I cannot afford to make car payments until the morgage is paid off.
That's another 4 years yet.

My current vehicle was new in 1999. I'm praying it lasts.

>
> Mark doesn't rule over my life, but as his wife I do owe him a certain
> level of reverance because he is probably right in this case!
>
> V

I meant that in a _good_ way V...

I'd be very unhappy if I did not have someone around that cared about me.
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[Treedweller]

On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 07:52:40 -0500, jangchub >
wrote:

>On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:15:10 -0500, Treedweller
> wrote:
>
>
>>PS How does this jibe with your no-kill buddhism? I'm seriously
>>asking, though I can see how this might sound like a smart-ass quip.
>>If you decide to keep the tree, a qualified arborist can evaluate the
>>risk and help you find ways to mitigate.
>
>A tree is not a sentient being that we know of. It does not have
>consciousness. While Buddhists believe a consciousness can reside in
>a tree, which would be considered one of the hell realms, trees are
>not sentient.
>
>We are constantly killing every time we breath. There isn't an atom
>of space where a sentient being is. When we walk, we crush insects,
>when we shower we kill bacterial, etc. If we are mndful of the lives
>we take daily, we purify with sincerity for anything you killed
>without knowing, or
>
>Why do you consider taking out a tree as going against Buddhism and
>the tenet of no killing?
>
>F
What can I say? I'm a tree guy. They live and grow, so removing them
kills a living thing (notwithstanding the fact that it's awfully hard
to kill a hackberry). Also, they serve as habitat for untold other
critters. I talk to them as I work, and at times I feel like I get
an answer. I have a bumper sticker (cut-and-pasted from "Keep Austin
Reading" library stickers) that says "I speak tree." For those who
may be wondering about my sanity now, I acknowledge being less than
100% serious.

Since you surely know most people think the idea that a bug may be
sentient is wacko, this doesn't seem like such a stretch to me. But
I'm not trying to judge you--I was just curious.

k

[Treedweller]

On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 17:24:37 -0500, Treedweller
> wrote:

>On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 07:52:40 -0500, jangchub >
>wrote:
>" For those who
>may be wondering about my sanity now, I acknowledge being less than
>100% serious.
>
>
>k
On second thought, I would say I am 100% serious about entertaining
the possibility, but less than 100% confident it is right.
k

[Omelet]

In article >,
Treedweller > wrote:

> On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 17:24:37 -0500, Treedweller
> > wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 07:52:40 -0500, jangchub >
> >wrote:
> >" For those who
> >may be wondering about my sanity now, I acknowledge being less than
> >100% serious.
> >
> >
> >k
> On second thought, I would say I am 100% serious about entertaining
> the possibility, but less than 100% confident it is right.
> k

I think trees have souls.
Ever meditated sitting on the roots of a giant Cypress? :-)
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[jangchub]

On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 17:24:37 -0500, Treedweller
> wrote:

>What can I say? I'm a tree guy. They live and grow, so removing them
>kills a living thing (notwithstanding the fact that it's awfully hard
>to kill a hackberry). Also, they serve as habitat for untold other
>critters. I talk to them as I work, and at times I feel like I get
>an answer. I have a bumper sticker (cut-and-pasted from "Keep Austin
>Reading" library stickers) that says "I speak tree." For those who
>may be wondering about my sanity now, I acknowledge being less than
>100% serious.
>
>Since you surely know most people think the idea that a bug may be
>sentient is wacko, this doesn't seem like such a stretch to me. But
>I'm not trying to judge you--I was just curious.
>
>k

Oh, I surely didn't think you were judging me at all. I was giving
you my real answer! LOL. Truth be told, no matter how much I hate
the seedlings everywhere on the property from one 40 foot hackberry,
I'd probably never cut it down. There is a cardinal nest in the one I
have now. So, me speak-um tree too!

The meaning of sentient is any living creature which has
consciousness. Insects suffer when they drown. I save them from the
pool, hopefully soon enough. I can't tell you how many insects I blow
on to see them rise and fly away. That makes my life worth while.
Truly.

Victoria