Calling Len

[George.com]

Len

Do you have pictures posted on your website of the outlet hose from your
washing machine on to the lawn?

I gather you run a hose out of the back of the WM onto the lawn.

Are you able to link me to photos that show your hook up from WM to lawn?

Much appreciated if yes.

rob

[George W. Frost]

"George.com" > wrote in message
...
> Len
>
> Do you have pictures posted on your website of the outlet hose from your
> washing machine on to the lawn?
>
> I gather you run a hose out of the back of the WM onto the lawn.
>
> Are you able to link me to photos that show your hook up from WM to lawn?
>
> Much appreciated if yes.
>
> rob


I have a freind who has his washing machimne outlet going out to his grass
but he lives in Moe, which is close to Ya lawn

[len gardener]

g'day rob,

no pic's i could do if need be provide some but it is a standard sort
of ribbed/concertina style hose like a vacuum hose very flexible they
come in standard lengths all set up to connect to the machine hose
buyt them from most hardware stores we got our from that bunning
store, they are in black or i have seen grey colour.

let me know if you still want pic's


On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 21:07:01 +1300, "George.com" >
wrote:
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With peace and brightest of blessings,

len & bev

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

[len gardener]

On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 21:07:01 +1300, "George.com" >
wrote:

>Len
>
>Do you have pictures posted on your website of the outlet hose from your
>washing machine on to the lawn?
>
>I gather you run a hose out of the back of the WM onto the lawn.
>
>Are you able to link me to photos that show your hook up from WM to lawn?
>
>Much appreciated if yes.
>
>rob
With peace and brightest of blessings,

len & bev

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

[Terryc]

George.com wrote:
> Len
>
> Do you have pictures posted on your website of the outlet hose from your
> washing machine on to the lawn?
>
> I gather you run a hose out of the back of the WM onto the lawn.
>
> Are you able to link me to photos that show your hook up from WM to lawn?

No pics.
Basically, any hose will do, but generally the larger the better. Things
to consider are the outlet height above the ground that you are watering.

In a previous setup, I used 5m of 25mm/1" clear plastic tubing from
hardware or Clark rubber.

The washing machine emptied into sink and the sink outlet was plastic
pipe, so after the S bend, I cut a section out and installed a diverter
switch. In this case, the laundry was on a slab below the level ofthe
house,so the divertor pipe just poked through a hole in the fibro wall
to run the house piers and out to the garden/lawn.

for the rebuild, I'm going to need to get a tile cutter to make the hole
through the floor tiles under the sink first.

The pblem with the clear plastic hose is that it can kink.

[George.com]

"len gardener" > wrote in message
...
> g'day rob,
>
> no pic's i could do if need be provide some but it is a standard sort
> of ribbed/concertina style hose like a vacuum hose very flexible they
> come in standard lengths all set up to connect to the machine hose
> buyt them from most hardware stores we got our from that bunning
> store, they are in black or i have seen grey colour.
>
> let me know if you still want pic's

So you have a one run hose out to the garden Len? I do know the type you
mean, the standard outlet hose that comes with the machine but longer.

I basically want to rig a bodge job for a few dollars. The outlet hose is
quite a bit bigger than a standard garden hose. I don't want to pay much
money for any hosing if possible. Unless I can get my hands on 20 odd
lengths of the WM outlet hose & find a simple way of joining them I think I
may be stuck with a smaller diameter hose (like garden hose) & some
mechanism to have to narrow the diameter down. Bunnings here would charge
about $6 per metre length which runs out to around $100 bucks for something
that would do the back lawn. Too much for my liking. If you have any bright
ideas let me know. I will report back on my progress.

Thanks
Rob

[George.com]

"Terryc" > wrote in message
...
> George.com wrote:
>> Len
>>
>> Do you have pictures posted on your website of the outlet hose from your
>> washing machine on to the lawn?
>>
>> I gather you run a hose out of the back of the WM onto the lawn.
>>
>> Are you able to link me to photos that show your hook up from WM to lawn?
>
> No pics.
> Basically, any hose will do, but generally the larger the better. Things
> to consider are the outlet height above the ground that you are watering.
>
> In a previous setup, I used 5m of 25mm/1" clear plastic tubing from
> hardware or Clark rubber.
>
> The washing machine emptied into sink and the sink outlet was plastic
> pipe, so after the S bend, I cut a section out and installed a diverter
> switch. In this case, the laundry was on a slab below the level ofthe
> house,so the divertor pipe just poked through a hole in the fibro wall to
> run the house piers and out to the garden/lawn.
>
> for the rebuild, I'm going to need to get a tile cutter to make the hole
> through the floor tiles under the sink first.
>
> The pblem with the clear plastic hose is that it can kink.

I plan to hook the WM outlet hose out a cat flap in the window next to it &
connect some length of hose on to that & drape it on the lawn. The WM pump
should get the water out onto the lawn ok. Problem is the WM outlet hose is
quite a bit bigger than garden hose. I don't want to pay much money for any
hosing if possible (purpose made pipe will be likely about $100). Unless I
can get my hands on 20 odd lengths of the WM outlet hose & find a simple way
of joining them I think I may be stuck with a smaller diameter hose (like
garden hose) & some mechanism to have to narrow the diameter down. If you
have any bright ideas to my dilemma please fell free to share them.

Thanks
Rob

[Terryc]

George.com wrote:

> I basically want to rig a bodge job for a few dollars. The outlet hose
> is quite a bit bigger than a standard garden hose. I don't want to pay
> much money for any hosing if possible. Unless I can get my hands on 20
> odd lengths of the WM outlet hose & find a simple way of joining them I
> think I may be stuck with a smaller diameter hose (like garden hose) &
> some mechanism to have to narrow the diameter down. Bunnings here would
> charge about $6 per metre length which runs out to around $100 bucks for
> something that would do the back lawn. Too much for my liking. If you
> have any bright ideas let me know. I will report back on my progress.

Using standard garden hose is not going to work, unless the washing
machine empties into a surge tub (laundry sink?). If you try and use the
wm pump to pump it that length, you will end up burning it out.

Sounds like you are just goingto have to bite the bullet and buy stuff
unless yuou want to scavenge vacume cleaner hosing or such.

[Terryc]

George.com wrote:

> I plan to hook the WM outlet hose out a cat flap in the window next to
> it & connect some length of hose on to that & drape it on the lawn. The
> WM pump should get the water out onto the lawn ok. Problem is the WM
> outlet hose is quite a bit bigger than garden hose. I don't want to pay
> much money for any hosing if possible (purpose made pipe will be likely
> about $100). Unless I can get my hands on 20 odd lengths of the WM
> outlet hose & find a simple way of joining them I think I may be stuck
> with a smaller diameter hose (like garden hose) & some mechanism to have
> to narrow the diameter down. If you have any bright ideas to my dilemma
> please fell free to share them.

If you have any old plastic barrells around (20l+?, preferrably
biggerr), discharge the WM outlet into that to act as a surge tank.

Sounds like you could just position that outside the window, Either on
the ground with a feed pipe with funnel on top, or on a shelf that wm
outlet pipe can empty into.

[George.com]

"Terryc" > wrote in message
...
> George.com wrote:
>
>> I basically want to rig a bodge job for a few dollars. The outlet hose is
>> quite a bit bigger than a standard garden hose. I don't want to pay much
>> money for any hosing if possible. Unless I can get my hands on 20 odd
>> lengths of the WM outlet hose & find a simple way of joining them I think
>> I may be stuck with a smaller diameter hose (like garden hose) & some
>> mechanism to have to narrow the diameter down. Bunnings here would charge
>> about $6 per metre length which runs out to around $100 bucks for
>> something that would do the back lawn. Too much for my liking. If you
>> have any bright ideas let me know. I will report back on my progress.
>
> Using standard garden hose is not going to work, unless the washing
> machine empties into a surge tub (laundry sink?). If you try and use the
> wm pump to pump it that length, you will end up burning it out.

you mean the pump will burn out if I try to force water through a NARROWER
diameter pipe? Or it will burn out if I try & pump the water 20 odd metres
down the SAME diameter pipe?

> Sounds like you are just goingto have to bite the bullet and buy stuff
> unless yuou want to scavenge vacume cleaner hosing or such.

I had a look round this evening & reckon I can salvage the outlet hoses from
a range of second hand dumper washing machines. If I stop bye a couple of
the big whiteware outlets & maybe bung the stores man a box of beer he may
collect them for me. The outlet hose fits onto a connection with a butterfly
clip. On the inside of the machine is another connection fixture where the
same diameter pipe feeds from the WM tub. I reckon that connection fixture
holds the key to me being able to bodge together 20 m of pipe. It won't look
pretty but it will likely do the job, dependent on your answer to my
question above.

My wife may let me get away with a crap looking length of pipe but not
likely a big bin outside the window.

rob

[George.com]

"George.com" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Terryc" > wrote in message
> ...
>> George.com wrote:
>>
>>> I basically want to rig a bodge job for a few dollars. The outlet hose
>>> is quite a bit bigger than a standard garden hose. I don't want to pay
>>> much money for any hosing if possible. Unless I can get my hands on 20
>>> odd lengths of the WM outlet hose & find a simple way of joining them I
>>> think I may be stuck with a smaller diameter hose (like garden hose) &
>>> some mechanism to have to narrow the diameter down. Bunnings here would
>>> charge about $6 per metre length which runs out to around $100 bucks for
>>> something that would do the back lawn. Too much for my liking. If you
>>> have any bright ideas let me know. I will report back on my progress.
>>
>> Using standard garden hose is not going to work, unless the washing
>> machine empties into a surge tub (laundry sink?). If you try and use the
>> wm pump to pump it that length, you will end up burning it out.
>
> you mean the pump will burn out if I try to force water through a NARROWER
> diameter pipe? Or it will burn out if I try & pump the water 20 odd metres
> down the SAME diameter pipe?
>
>> Sounds like you are just goingto have to bite the bullet and buy stuff
>> unless yuou want to scavenge vacume cleaner hosing or such.
>
> I had a look round this evening & reckon I can salvage the outlet hoses
> from a range of second hand dumper washing machines. If I stop bye a
> couple of the big whiteware outlets & maybe bung the stores man a box of
> beer he may collect them for me. The outlet hose fits onto a connection
> with a butterfly clip. On the inside of the machine is another connection
> fixture where the same diameter pipe feeds from the WM tub. I reckon that
> connection fixture holds the key to me being able to bodge together 20 m
> of pipe. It won't look pretty but it will likely do the job, dependent on
> your answer to my question above.
>
> My wife may let me get away with a crap looking length of pipe but not
> likely a big bin outside the window.
>
> rob

What i mean is shown in this picture at top right. White outlet hose at the
bottom, black internal pipe heading off to the left of the picture. Both
pipes hook onto a double ended plastic fitting. If I can yank those out of
all the old dumper WM then it will allow me to connect up the lengths of
piping. Maybe $15 for a box of beer.
http://www.danielbowen.com/2006/05/19/fix-washing-machine/

[Terryc]

George.com wrote:

> you mean the pump will burn out if I try to force water through a
> NARROWER diameter pipe? Or it will burn out if I try & pump the water 20
> odd metres down the SAME diameter pipe?

Both. My understanding of WM pumps are that they are generally designed
to pump out the WM for a maximum head of about 1 metre, aka the height
of the generic laundry tub.


> My wife may let me get away with a crap looking length of pipe but not
> likely a big bin outside the window.

2nd hand laundry tub with a couple of water (or water loving) plants in
it in pots {:-).

[Terryc]

George.com wrote:

> What i mean is shown in this picture at top right. White outlet hose at
> the bottom, black internal pipe heading off to the left of the picture.
> Both pipes hook onto a double ended plastic fitting. If I can yank those
> out of all the old dumper WM then it will allow me to connect up the
> lengths of piping. Maybe $15 for a box of beer.
> http://www.danielbowen.com/2006/05/19/fix-washing-machine/

Hmm, what my real interest in your post was "a box of beer for $15" and
I don't drink.

Yer, they should be fine. You just have to work out how to join them.

[len gardener]

g'day rob,

just with the washing machine don't use a hose of lessor diameter than
that the machine already has. i bought 2 lengths of that stuff i
mentioned earlier and they push together to make one long length when
i need it.

On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 17:50:11 +1300, "George.com" >
wrote:

>
>"len gardener" > wrote in message
...
>> g'day rob,
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With peace and brightest of blessings,

len & bev

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

[len gardener]

g'day rob,

the pipe i am talking about looks similar or like that white one
coming out of the bottom picture side of the pump.

not sure you can scavange enough to make a good length from older
washing machines? but might turn out not so dear to buy a length of
the other as you can afford it.

the washing machine pump isn't designed to pump water under lots of
pressure, so could be damaged if you try to make it do that ie.,. it
is not recommeneded to use the wash machine pump to pump water up a
long steep slope, using the pipe like i have is all for the same plain
or downhill.

On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 20:24:26 +1300, "George.com" >
wrote:

>
>"George.com" > wrote in message
...
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With peace and brightest of blessings,

len & bev

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

[len gardener]

can't recal but i think each lenght of pipe i bought was around 20 or
so bucks. each about 6 meters long i think.

if you want i can get those details later?

On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 17:53:02 +1300, "George.com" >
wrote:
snipped
With peace and brightest of blessings,

len & bev

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

[George.com]

"len gardener" > wrote in message
...
> g'day rob,
>
> the pipe i am talking about looks similar or like that white one
> coming out of the bottom picture side of the pump.
>
> not sure you can scavange enough to make a good length from older
> washing machines? but might turn out not so dear to buy a length of
> the other as you can afford it.

you obviously don't know how cheap I can get Len.

> the washing machine pump isn't designed to pump water under lots of
> pressure, so could be damaged if you try to make it do that ie.,. it
> is not recommeneded to use the wash machine pump to pump water up a
> long steep slope, using the pipe like i have is all for the same plain
> or downhill.


flat back garden with a drop off the deck down to the grass. The only height
will be pumping out the window & that is only slightly higher than the sink
pipe for the waste water. Should work ok I reckon.

rob

[George.com]

"Terryc" > wrote in message
...
> George.com wrote:
>
>> What i mean is shown in this picture at top right. White outlet hose at
>> the bottom, black internal pipe heading off to the left of the picture.
>> Both pipes hook onto a double ended plastic fitting. If I can yank those
>> out of all the old dumper WM then it will allow me to connect up the
>> lengths of piping. Maybe $15 for a box of beer.
>> http://www.danielbowen.com/2006/05/19/fix-washing-machine/
>
> Hmm, what my real interest in your post was "a box of beer for $15" and I
> don't drink.

cheap beer

[len gardener]

On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:27:08 +1300, "George.com" >
wrote:

>
>"len gardener" > wrote in message
...
>>snipped
>
>you obviously don't know how cheap I can get Len.

this pipe has in internal diameter of around 30mm
>
>>
>
>
>flat back garden with a drop off the deck down to the grass. The only height
>will be pumping out the window & that is only slightly higher than the sink
>pipe for the waste water. Should work ok I reckon.
>
you could always set up a syphon with the garden hose, or like was
suggested there is a unit to fit into the pipe under the tub but that
will cost hey? then run a pipe through the wall.

>rob
With peace and brightest of blessings,

len & bev

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

[Geoff & Heather]

George,
What about 19 or 25 mm black poly pipe (depending on diameter of existing WM
hose. 91mm Poly pipe ie standard irrigation pipe is really cheap (25mm is
dearer) and fittings are really easy to find - only draw back is that its
not very flexible, but over a 20 -50m length you could move the outlet
around a fair bit

Cheers,
Geoff

"len gardener" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:27:08 +1300, "George.com" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"len gardener" > wrote in message
...
>>>snipped
>>
>>you obviously don't know how cheap I can get Len.
>
> this pipe has in internal diameter of around 30mm
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>flat back garden with a drop off the deck down to the grass. The only
>>height
>>will be pumping out the window & that is only slightly higher than the
>>sink
>>pipe for the waste water. Should work ok I reckon.
>>
> you could always set up a syphon with the garden hose, or like was
> suggested there is a unit to fit into the pipe under the tub but that
> will cost hey? then run a pipe through the wall.
>
>>rob
> With peace and brightest of blessings,
>
> len & bev
>
> --
> "Be Content With What You Have And
> May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
> A World That You May Not Understand."
>
> http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

[len gardener]

On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 21:27:29 +1100, "Geoff & Heather"
> wrote:

>George,
>What about 19 or 25 mm black poly pipe (depending on diameter of existing WM
>hose. 91mm Poly pipe ie standard irrigation pipe is really cheap (25mm is
>dearer) and fittings are really easy to find - only draw back is that its
>not very flexible, but over a 20 -50m length you could move the outlet
>around a fair bit

would depend on the washing machine outlet hose diameter. 25mm might
not be too bad but anything smaller could load the pump.
>
>Cheers,
>Geoff
>
snipped
With peace and brightest of blessings,

len & bev

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

[Terryc]

Geoff & Heather wrote:
> George,
> What about 19 or 25 mm black poly pipe (depending on diameter of existing WM
> hose. 91mm Poly pipe ie standard irrigation pipe is really cheap

Errr, no. AFAIK, that 19mmm cheap stuff is definitely NOT standard
irrigation stuff. It is thin wall stuff for the home market. It is okay
for low flow, low pressure situations, like trickle watering my vege
garden beds from 2m high tanks via a 19mm backbone around the fence

The really good stuff is much thicker, stiffer and expensive.
Unfortunately, I needed to buy it to join my two tanks for storage
balancing (aka the small one collects more water than the large one)

For his application, unless his washing machine feeds into a surge
tank[1], then he definitely needs a pipe FAR bigger than the outlet to
the washing machine. There must be a physical break so that atmosphere
comes in and allows the WM pump to run as designed.

The outlet on our washing machine is actualy 19mm internally, but it
would be unwise just extend the pipe as the extra 20 metres of pipe will
increase the resistance to flow by about 11 times[2], which is
something the washing machine water pump is not designed to handle.


[1]Another idea for a surge tank might be a vertical strip of 90mm
stormwater pipe (an economical buy) against the wall. You would need to
buy an end cap and glue it on, then glue/bolt on a hose socket at the
side on the bottom. Put a brick on the ground and sit the endcap on it.
This takes the weight. Hold in place with a couple of pipe brackets. You
could even paint it to match the wall. It is an effective surge tank and
as it fills up it, increase, the flow through the 19mm pipe or hose to
the garden lawn.

My rough calcs says that a 2m length would hold about 12L (YMMV[3]),
which should AFAIK be adequate for the general domestic washing machine.

[2] Actually,the volume of flow through a 22 metre pipe is 1/11 of the
possible volume through a 2m pipe, all other things being equal.

[3]3.1415x0.045x0.045x2000 = 50.08 L

[Geoff & Heather]

Terry,
You obviously put more thought into this than me !

I've never really looked at the flow rate from the WM as ours goes directly
into our recycle system and the pump from there goes through about 50m of
25mm pipe, then out through 10 high flow sprinklers. Guess the recycle pump
is lower pressure than WM.

Surge tank idea is good - if you can find one of those blue plastic 200l
drums they use to import fruit, that would be good - ours cost about $35.

Cheers,
Geoff

"Terryc" > wrote in message
...
> Geoff & Heather wrote:
>> George,
>> What about 19 or 25 mm black poly pipe (depending on diameter of existing
>> WM hose. 91mm Poly pipe ie standard irrigation pipe is really cheap
>
> Errr, no. AFAIK, that 19mmm cheap stuff is definitely NOT standard
> irrigation stuff. It is thin wall stuff for the home market. It is okay
> for low flow, low pressure situations, like trickle watering my vege
> garden beds from 2m high tanks via a 19mm backbone around the fence
>
> The really good stuff is much thicker, stiffer and expensive.
> Unfortunately, I needed to buy it to join my two tanks for storage
> balancing (aka the small one collects more water than the large one)
>
> For his application, unless his washing machine feeds into a surge
> tank[1], then he definitely needs a pipe FAR bigger than the outlet to the
> washing machine. There must be a physical break so that atmosphere comes
> in and allows the WM pump to run as designed.
>
> The outlet on our washing machine is actualy 19mm internally, but it would
> be unwise just extend the pipe as the extra 20 metres of pipe will
> increase the resistance to flow by about 11 times[2], which is something
> the washing machine water pump is not designed to handle.
>
>
> [1]Another idea for a surge tank might be a vertical strip of 90mm
> stormwater pipe (an economical buy) against the wall. You would need to
> buy an end cap and glue it on, then glue/bolt on a hose socket at the side
> on the bottom. Put a brick on the ground and sit the endcap on it. This
> takes the weight. Hold in place with a couple of pipe brackets. You could
> even paint it to match the wall. It is an effective surge tank and as it
> fills up it, increase, the flow through the 19mm pipe or hose to the
> garden lawn.
>
> My rough calcs says that a 2m length would hold about 12L (YMMV[3]), which
> should AFAIK be adequate for the general domestic washing machine.
>
> [2] Actually,the volume of flow through a 22 metre pipe is 1/11 of the
> possible volume through a 2m pipe, all other things being equal.
>
> [3]3.1415x0.045x0.045x2000 = 50.08 L

[George.com]

"Terryc" > wrote in message
...
> Geoff & Heather wrote:
>> George,
>> What about 19 or 25 mm black poly pipe (depending on diameter of existing
>> WM hose. 91mm Poly pipe ie standard irrigation pipe is really cheap
>
> Errr, no. AFAIK, that 19mmm cheap stuff is definitely NOT standard
> irrigation stuff. It is thin wall stuff for the home market. It is okay
> for low flow, low pressure situations, like trickle watering my vege
> garden beds from 2m high tanks via a 19mm backbone around the fence
>
> The really good stuff is much thicker, stiffer and expensive.
> Unfortunately, I needed to buy it to join my two tanks for storage
> balancing (aka the small one collects more water than the large one)
>
> For his application, unless his washing machine feeds into a surge
> tank[1], then he definitely needs a pipe FAR bigger than the outlet to the
> washing machine. There must be a physical break so that atmosphere comes
> in and allows the WM pump to run as designed.
>
> The outlet on our washing machine is actualy 19mm internally, but it would
> be unwise just extend the pipe as the extra 20 metres of pipe will
> increase the resistance to flow by about 11 times[2], which is something
> the washing machine water pump is not designed to handle.
>
>
> [1]Another idea for a surge tank might be a vertical strip of 90mm
> stormwater pipe (an economical buy) against the wall. You would need to
> buy an end cap and glue it on, then glue/bolt on a hose socket at the side
> on the bottom. Put a brick on the ground and sit the endcap on it. This
> takes the weight. Hold in place with a couple of pipe brackets. You could
> even paint it to match the wall. It is an effective surge tank and as it
> fills up it, increase, the flow through the 19mm pipe or hose to the
> garden lawn.
>
> My rough calcs says that a 2m length would hold about 12L (YMMV[3]), which
> should AFAIK be adequate for the general domestic washing machine.
>
> [2] Actually,the volume of flow through a 22 metre pipe is 1/11 of the
> possible volume through a 2m pipe, all other things being equal.
>
> [3]3.1415x0.045x0.045x2000 = 50.08 L

Terry
Let me get this clear. You are saying that a 20m length of standard size
washing machine outlet pipe (the same diameter as I have on the WM outlet)
is too narrow? I am pumping about 900 mill above the bottom of the WM tub,
out a window and then a 2m fall off to the lawn below which is flat.

Your opinion is that this set up will not work?

If then I plump some form of surge tank (not being too sure what that is yet
but will find out), am I having to rely on gravity (the drop off from the
deck to lawn is about 700mm) to draw water out of the tank and on to the
lawn or will the wm pump continue to do this?

I have collected myself about 20 mm of identical size concertina hosing &
some couplings. I am set to go, apart from the somewhat important matters
like those above.

Thanks
Rob

[George.com]

"George.com" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Terryc" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Geoff & Heather wrote:
>>> George,
>>> What about 19 or 25 mm black poly pipe (depending on diameter of
>>> existing WM hose. 91mm Poly pipe ie standard irrigation pipe is really
>>> cheap
>>
>> Errr, no. AFAIK, that 19mmm cheap stuff is definitely NOT standard
>> irrigation stuff. It is thin wall stuff for the home market. It is okay
>> for low flow, low pressure situations, like trickle watering my vege
>> garden beds from 2m high tanks via a 19mm backbone around the fence
>>
>> The really good stuff is much thicker, stiffer and expensive.
>> Unfortunately, I needed to buy it to join my two tanks for storage
>> balancing (aka the small one collects more water than the large one)
>>
>> For his application, unless his washing machine feeds into a surge
>> tank[1], then he definitely needs a pipe FAR bigger than the outlet to
>> the washing machine. There must be a physical break so that atmosphere
>> comes in and allows the WM pump to run as designed.
>>
>> The outlet on our washing machine is actualy 19mm internally, but it
>> would be unwise just extend the pipe as the extra 20 metres of pipe will
>> increase the resistance to flow by about 11 times[2], which is something
>> the washing machine water pump is not designed to handle.
>>
>>
>> [1]Another idea for a surge tank might be a vertical strip of 90mm
>> stormwater pipe (an economical buy) against the wall. You would need to
>> buy an end cap and glue it on, then glue/bolt on a hose socket at the
>> side on the bottom. Put a brick on the ground and sit the endcap on it.
>> This takes the weight. Hold in place with a couple of pipe brackets. You
>> could even paint it to match the wall. It is an effective surge tank and
>> as it fills up it, increase, the flow through the 19mm pipe or hose to
>> the garden lawn.
>>
>> My rough calcs says that a 2m length would hold about 12L (YMMV[3]),
>> which should AFAIK be adequate for the general domestic washing machine.
>>
>> [2] Actually,the volume of flow through a 22 metre pipe is 1/11 of the
>> possible volume through a 2m pipe, all other things being equal.
>>
>> [3]3.1415x0.045x0.045x2000 = 50.08 L
>
> Terry
> Let me get this clear. You are saying that a 20m length of standard size
> washing machine outlet pipe (the same diameter as I have on the WM outlet)
> is too narrow? I am pumping about 900 mill above the bottom of the WM tub,
> out a window and then a 2m fall off to the lawn below which is flat.
>
> Your opinion is that this set up will not work?
>
> If then I plump some form of surge tank (not being too sure what that is
> yet but will find out), am I having to rely on gravity (the drop off from
> the deck to lawn is about 700mm) to draw water out of the tank and on to
> the lawn or will the wm pump continue to do this?
>
> I have collected myself about 20 mm of identical size concertina hosing &
> some couplings. I am set to go, apart from the somewhat important matters
> like those above.

if I do need a surge tank, I guess an old WM tub would do the trick with
gravity feed to get the water to the lawn from there.

rob

[Terryc]

George.com wrote:

> Terry
> Let me get this clear. You are saying that a 20m length of standard size
> washing machine outlet pipe (the same diameter as I have on the WM
> outlet) is too narrow?

If you just connect it up to the washing machine drain pipe, then water
will flow through it, but much slower that that it comes out now. The
pump out will take longer. Eventually you will, most probably. burn out
your washing machine water pump, if something else doesn't break first.



> I am pumping about 900 mill above the bottom of
> the WM tub, out a window and then a 2m fall off to the lawn below which
> is flat.
>
> Your opinion is that this set up will not work?

What I am saying is not to connect it directly to the drainpipe of the
washing machine unless you want to destroy the water pump.

If you want to understand how much extra work you will be making the
washing machine water pump do, make up your 20 metre pipe, drap both
ends over the back of a chair, fill the hose with water, then try to
blow all the water out of the pipe with your lungs.

>
> If then I plump some form of surge tank (not being too sure what that is
> yet but will find out),

The easiest way to explain how a surge tank works is to take that 20
metre hose you have have made up and put a funnel in the end. Then have
the washing machine pump out into the funnel.

It is almost guaranteed that the funnel is going to overflow, real fast.

A washing machine is designed to "pump out" in something like 2 minutes.
It will take the 2 metres of gravity a lot longer to force that same
water through the hose you are making up.

All a "surge tank" is is really just a bigger funnel. Big enough to hold
the excess water until gravity feeds it down the pipe you are creating.

Ideally, you want something that will hold the water that your washing
machine uses for a wash. How many litres of water does your washing
machine use?



> am I having to rely on gravity (the drop off
> from the deck to lawn is about 700mm) to draw water out of the tank and
> on to the lawn

Yes. You do not actually want a big hose to water with as that can wash
soil, etc away.

> or will the wm pump continue to do this?
>
> I have collected myself about 20 mm of identical size concertina hosing
> & some couplings.

Good score in any case.

> I am set to go, apart from the somewhat important
> matters like those above.
>
> Thanks
> Rob

[Terryc]

George.com wrote:

> if I do need a surge tank, I guess an old WM tub would do the trick with
> gravity feed to get the water to the lawn from there.

Sounds great to me. Certainly cheaper than buying stuff.

[len gardener]

if you lay the w/m pipe on teh ground with water in the machine, won't
the water gravity feed through the pump without the pump being
activated? i'm pretty sure it will on our machine. if this works and
you can use gravity then the extended hose diameter amy not be so
crucial and you are saving power as well.

On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 21:50:20 +1300, "George.com" >
wrote:
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With peace and brightest of blessings,

len & bev

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May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

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[George.com]

"Terryc" > wrote in message
...
> George.com wrote:
>
>> if I do need a surge tank, I guess an old WM tub would do the trick with
>> gravity feed to get the water to the lawn from there.
>
> Sounds great to me. Certainly cheaper than buying stuff.

thanks for the information. I have refined the idea & reckon a large plastic
rubbish bin standing on a table below the window will be best. I can pump
the water out of the WM using the existing hose length & through the window
into the rubbish bin. It will be nice & stable on the table. I can then hook
up the outlet hose at the base of the rubbish bin & gravity feed the water
on to the lawn. Or so I hope. Sods law says something won't work. I can get
the bin for about $5 tomorrow & have heaps of hose I 'borrowed' over the
last few days. Connecting it together was as easy as easing one end into the
rubber fitting on the end of another length & using some of the small clamps
I collected. I will give yas all an update tomorrow.

rob

[Chookie]

In article >, "George.com" >
wrote:

> I plan to hook the WM outlet hose out a cat flap in the window next to it &
> connect some length of hose on to that & drape it on the lawn. The WM pump
> should get the water out onto the lawn ok. Problem is the WM outlet hose is
> quite a bit bigger than garden hose. I don't want to pay much money for any
> hosing if possible (purpose made pipe will be likely about $100). Unless I
> can get my hands on 20 odd lengths of the WM outlet hose & find a simple way
> of joining them I think I may be stuck with a smaller diameter hose (like
> garden hose) & some mechanism to have to narrow the diameter down. If you
> have any bright ideas to my dilemma please fell free to share them.

You can buy a hose to connect to your WM hose at Bunnings for $20. I think
it's 10m long.

--
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[George.com]

"Chookie" > wrote in message
news:ehrebeniuk-FE43E1.13055710022008@news...
> In article >, "George.com"
> >
> wrote:
>
>> I plan to hook the WM outlet hose out a cat flap in the window next to it
>> &
>> connect some length of hose on to that & drape it on the lawn. The WM
>> pump
>> should get the water out onto the lawn ok. Problem is the WM outlet hose
>> is
>> quite a bit bigger than garden hose. I don't want to pay much money for
>> any
>> hosing if possible (purpose made pipe will be likely about $100). Unless
>> I
>> can get my hands on 20 odd lengths of the WM outlet hose & find a simple
>> way
>> of joining them I think I may be stuck with a smaller diameter hose (like
>> garden hose) & some mechanism to have to narrow the diameter down. If you
>> have any bright ideas to my dilemma please fell free to share them.
>
> You can buy a hose to connect to your WM hose at Bunnings for $20. I
> think
> it's 10m long.

about $80-100 from Bunnings in NZ for 20m WM hose.

rob

[Chookie]

In article >, "George.com" >
wrote:

> about $80-100 from Bunnings in NZ for 20m WM hose.

Shocker!

Get one of your relatives in Bondi to post you one.

--
Chookie -- Sydney, Australia
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http://chookiesbackyard.blogspot.com/

[Jonno[_6_]]

Chookie wrote:
> In article >, "George.com" >
> wrote:
>
>> about $80-100 from Bunnings in NZ for 20m WM hose.
>
> Shocker!
>
> Get one of your relatives in Bondi to post you one.
>
They've temporarily dropped the prices in Melbourne even lower to under $20.