Herbicides/weed killers - active ingredients? Effectiveness?

[Gas Bag]

X-No-Archive:

I am trying to find out some information about some different
herbicides/weedkillers, and the effect they would have on trees if
applied to the roots (in solution). The active ingredients in each of
these three herbicides are:

Product 1: 225 g/kg Glyphosate, 450 g/kg Simazine
Product 2: 750g/KG Chlorthal Dimethyl
Product 3: 67.5g/Kg Dichlobenil

[JoeSpareBedroom]

"Gas Bag" > wrote in message
...
> X-No-Archive:
>
> I am trying to find out some information about some different
> herbicides/weedkillers, and the effect they would have on trees if
> applied to the roots (in solution). The active ingredients in each of
> these three herbicides are:
>
> Product 1: 225 g/kg Glyphosate, 450 g/kg Simazine
> Product 2: 750g/KG Chlorthal Dimethyl
> Product 3: 67.5g/Kg Dichlobenil


Is your goal to get rid of the trees, or other stuff growing around the
trees?

[Bill Penrose]

On Feb 11, 5:13 am, Gas Bag > wrote:
> X-No-Archive:
>
> I am trying to find out some information about some different
> herbicides/weedkillers, and the effect they would have on trees if
> applied to the roots (in solution). The active ingredients in each of
> these three herbicides are:
>
> Product 1: 225 g/kg Glyphosate, 450 g/kg Simazine
> Product 2: 750g/KG Chlorthal Dimethyl
> Product 3: 67.5g/Kg Dichlobenil

What kind of information?

Dangerous Bill

[Billy[_4_]]

In article
>,
Bill Penrose > wrote:

> On Feb 11, 5:13 am, Gas Bag > wrote:
> > X-No-Archive:
> >
> > I am trying to find out some information about some different
> > herbicides/weedkillers, and the effect they would have on trees if
> > applied to the roots (in solution). The active ingredients in each of
> > these three herbicides are:
> >
> > Product 1: 225 g/kg Glyphosate, 450 g/kg Simazine
> > Product 2: 750g/KG Chlorthal Dimethyl
> > Product 3: 67.5g/Kg Dichlobenil
>
> What kind of information?
>
> Dangerous Bill

If worse comes to worse Google it.
--

Billy

Bush, Cheney & Pelosi, Behind Bars
http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/site/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_to_impeach_George_W._Bush

[Ron Jones]

Gas Bag wrote:
> X-No-Archive:
>
> I am trying to find out some information about some different
> herbicides/weedkillers, and the effect they would have on trees if
> applied to the roots (in solution). The active ingredients in each of
> these three herbicides are:
>
> Product 1: 225 g/kg Glyphosate, 450 g/kg Simazine
> Product 2: 750g/KG Chlorthal Dimethyl
> Product 3: 67.5g/Kg Dichlobenil

Glyphosate is absorbed through the leaves, not the roots.

--
Ron Jones
Process Safety & Development Specialist
Don't repeat history, unreported chemical lab/plant near misses at
http://www.crhf.org.uk Only two things are certain: The universe and
human stupidity; and I'm not certain about the universe. ~ Albert
Einstein

[symplastless]

I do not provide that type of information to the public.
I.e., for obvious reasons. However if you have a question on proper tree
care I would be glad to help you out.
--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.


"Gas Bag" > wrote in message
...
> X-No-Archive:
>
> I am trying to find out some information about some different
> herbicides/weedkillers, and the effect they would have on trees if
> applied to the roots (in solution). The active ingredients in each of
> these three herbicides are:
>
> Product 1: 225 g/kg Glyphosate, 450 g/kg Simazine
> Product 2: 750g/KG Chlorthal Dimethyl
> Product 3: 67.5g/Kg Dichlobenil

[JoeSpareBedroom]

"Bill Penrose" > wrote in message
...
> On Feb 11, 5:13 am, Gas Bag > wrote:
>> X-No-Archive:
>>
>> I am trying to find out some information about some different
>> herbicides/weedkillers, and the effect they would have on trees if
>> applied to the roots (in solution). The active ingredients in each of
>> these three herbicides are:
>>
>> Product 1: 225 g/kg Glyphosate, 450 g/kg Simazine
>> Product 2: 750g/KG Chlorthal Dimethyl
>> Product 3: 67.5g/Kg Dichlobenil
>
> What kind of information?
>
> Dangerous Bill
>


The original message sounds like a famously stupid one I saw in a cooking
group about a year ago.

Subject line: Can I make lasagna at home?
Message: How?

That's all. Just "How?" Not a clue as to whether the OP wanted to make the
finished dish, or make the noodles from scratch. Nothing. And of course, the
idiot never came back to expound on the subject any further.

[Don Staples]

"symplastless" > wrote in message
. ..
>I do not provide that type of information to the public.
> I.e., for obvious reasons. However if you have a question on proper tree
> care I would be glad to help you out.
> --
> Sincerely,
> John A. Keslick, Jr.
> Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
> http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
> and www.treedictionary.com
> Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
> Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding
> us that we are not the boss.

This individual is neither a consulting forester, tree expert, arborist, or
biologist. He is, however, a fraud.

[symplastless]

Don Staples claims to be a forester. His website address is
http://www.livingston.net/dstaples/forestry/staples.htm

He refuses define what a forester is to him. DON STAPLES please define what
a forester is.

However I have a very strong background in TREE BIOLOGY.
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman/educat.html

I define a forest at www.treedictionary.com. I often make decisions
regarding forest health based on tree biology.

ALSO,.

--
Many tree problems are associated with the following: They are Case
Sensitive.

Unhealthy Trees from the Nursery / Improper Planting
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/T/tree_planting.html

Improper Mulching -
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/M/mulch.html

Improper Pruning
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/tree_pruning

Improper Fertilization (See A Touch of Chemistry)
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/CHEM.html

Tree Farming and Related Problems
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/SOUND/

Troubles in the Rhizosphere
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/RHIZO.html

Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.





"Don Staples" > wrote in message
...
> "symplastless" > wrote in message
> . ..
>>I do not provide that type of information to the public.
>> I.e., for obvious reasons. However if you have a question on proper tree
>> care I would be glad to help you out.
>> --
>> Sincerely,
>> John A. Keslick, Jr.
>> Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
>> http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
>> and www.treedictionary.com
>> Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
>> Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding
>> us that we are not the boss.
>
> This individual is neither a consulting forester, tree expert, arborist,
> or biologist. He is, however, a fraud.

[David Bostwick]

In article >, "symplastless" > wrote:
>Don Staples claims to be a forester. His website address is
> http://www.livingston.net/dstaples/forestry/staples.htm
>

OK, you two have a feud going on elsewhere. Don't foul sci.chem with your
nonsense.

[Don Staples]

>>> John A. Keslick, Jr.
>>> Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
>>> http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
>>> and www.treedictionary.com
>>> Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
>>> Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep
>>> reminding us that we are not the boss.
>>
>> This individual is neither a consulting forester, tree expert, arborist,
>> or biologist. He is, however, a fraud.
>
>

[Billy[_4_]]

In article >,
(David Bostwick) wrote:

> In article >, "symplastless"
> > wrote:
> >Don Staples claims to be a forester. His website address is
> > http://www.livingston.net/dstaples/forestry/staples.htm
> >
>
> OK, you two have a feud going on elsewhere. Don't foul sci.chem with your
> nonsense.

Come on kids, you're disturbing the neighbors. They don't love our
wittle wood-cutter and our big, strong, back alley, tree surgeon the way
that we do or, they would have drowned you in the alkanox sink. They are
kinda cute when they are asleep. We kinda kept hoping that they would be
the new Lum and Abner. Sorry that they got out but they keep digging
holes under the fence.
--

Billy

Bush, Cheney & Pelosi, Behind Bars
http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/site/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_to_impeach_George_W._Bush

[symplastless]

"Don Staples" > wrote in message
...
>>>> John A. Keslick, Jr.
>>>> Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
>>>> http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
>>>> and www.treedictionary.com
>>>> Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
>>>> Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep
>>>> reminding us that we are not the boss.
>>>
>>> This individual is neither a consulting forester, tree expert, arborist,
>>> or biologist. He is, however, a fraud.
>>
>>
>
Phone Don Staples to kill the tree roots. He hates trees.

Don Staples claims to be a forester. His website address is
http://www.livingston.net/dstaples/forestry/staples.htm check it out for
yourself.

He refuses define what a forester is to him. DON STAPLES please define what
a forester is.

However I have a very strong background in TREE BIOLOGY.
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman/educat.html

I define a forest at www.treedictionary.com. I often make decisions
regarding forest health based on tree biology.

ALSO,.

--
Many tree problems are associated with the following: They are Case
Sensitive.

Unhealthy Trees from the Nursery / Improper Planting
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/T/tree_planting.html

Improper Mulching -
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/M/mulch.html

Improper Pruning
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/tree_pruning

Improper Fertilization (See A Touch of Chemistry)
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/CHEM.html

Tree Farming and Related Problems
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/SOUND/

Troubles in the Rhizosphere
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/RHIZO.html

Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

[symplastless]

There are some good chemistry articles regarding tree chemistry here for
those who like to read well written stuff.

Troubles in the Rhizosphere and A Touch of Chemistry to name two.

http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo

enjoy!

Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
www.treedictionary.com

http://home.ccil.org/~treeman/

Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Specifically people like Don Staples who claim logging and salvaging is in
the interest of forest health.
http://www.livingston.net/dstaples/forestry/staples.htm He flunked tree
anatomy.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

[symplastless]

Billy

What, you did not have any friends when you were a kid? Sad!

--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

"Billy" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> (David Bostwick) wrote:
>
>> In article >, "symplastless"
>> > wrote:
>> >Don Staples claims to be a forester. His website address is
>> > http://www.livingston.net/dstaples/forestry/staples.htm
>> >
>>
>> OK, you two have a feud going on elsewhere. Don't foul sci.chem with
>> your
>> nonsense.
>
> Come on kids, you're disturbing the neighbors. They don't love our
> wittle wood-cutter and our big, strong, back alley, tree surgeon the way
> that we do or, they would have drowned you in the alkanox sink. They are
> kinda cute when they are asleep. We kinda kept hoping that they would be
> the new Lum and Abner. Sorry that they got out but they keep digging
> holes under the fence.
> --
>
> Billy
>
> Bush, Cheney & Pelosi, Behind Bars
> http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/site/
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_to_impeach_George_W._Bush
>

[Don Staples]

"symplastless" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Don Staples" > wrote in message
> ...
>>>>> John A. Keslick, Jr.
>>>>> Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
>>>>> http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
>>>>> and www.treedictionary.com
>>>>> Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
>>>>> Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep
>>>>> reminding us that we are not the boss.
>>>>
This individual is neither a consulting forester, tree expert, arborist,
or biologist. He is, however, a fraud.

[symplastless]

"Don Staples" > wrote in message
...
> "symplastless" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Don Staples" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>>>> John A. Keslick, Jr.
>>>>>> Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
>>>>>> http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
>>>>>> and www.treedictionary.com
>>>>>> Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
>>>>>> Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep
>>>>>> reminding us that we are not the boss.
>>>>>
> This individual is neither a consulting forester, tree expert, arborist,
> or biologist. He is, however, a fraud.
>
If that's the case Don Staples please define what you mean when you say
"forest"?

Then please clear up the confusion and define what you mean when you say
"forester"?

Your website has a link to your definition, however, the link is DEAD!!!!!!
http://www.livingston.net/dstaples/forestry/staples.htm

At least I define my terms at www.treedictionary.com
Especially logging: http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/SOUND/

You (DON STAPLES) are an artist. A rip off artist!


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

[David Bostwick]

In article >, wrote:
>
>On 13-Feb-2008, "symplastless" > wrote:
>
>> > This individual is neither a consulting forester, tree expert, arborist,
>> > or biologist. He is, however, a fraud.
>> >
>> If that's the case Don Staples please define what you mean when you say
>> "forest"?
>
>can you two please give it a rest

Doubtful. This feud has been going on for a while, they just exported it
here.

One of the times a killfile is your friend.

[Don Staples]

"symplastless" > wrote in message
. ..

This fraud is neither a forester, biologist, arborist, or tree expert. He
is an ex saw hand for Dr. Shigo, trying to rip off the good mans work as his
own.

[Billy[_4_]]

In article >,
"Don Staples" > wrote:

> "symplastless" > wrote in message
> . ..
>
> This fraud is neither a forester, biologist, arborist, or tree expert. He
> is an ex saw hand for Dr. Shigo, trying to rip off the good mans work as his
> own.

Note to self: get more popcorn
--

Billy

Bush, Cheney & Pelosi, Behind Bars
http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/site/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_to_impeach_George_W._Bush

[symplastless]

Don Staples

What are you?


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

"Don Staples" > wrote in message
...
> "symplastless" > wrote in message
> . ..
>
> This fraud is neither a forester, biologist, arborist, or tree expert. He
> is an ex saw hand for Dr. Shigo, trying to rip off the good mans work as
> his own.

[symplastless]

"Don Staples" > wrote in message
...
> "symplastless" > wrote in message
> . ..
>
> This fraud is neither a forester, biologist, arborist, or tree expert. He
> is an ex saw hand for Dr. Shigo, trying to rip off the good mans work as
> his own.

Don Staples

I studied tree biology under Dr. Shigo. He actually is the author of A New
Tree Biology. I attended more Tree Biology Workshops than most people in an
attempt to hear what is was saying, see what he was looking at and feeling
what he was touching. Understand, I was not there to get pesticide credits
or to keep any certifications. I was there to learn. And that is exactly
what I did. I am, however, able to teach what I have been taught. I am
presently studying Advanced Tree Biology. The dictionary I wrote at
www.treedictionary.com was built around the release of a CD Set by Dr. Shigo
just for that purpose.
Your problem Don, would be you would not understand what to do with the
items. http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/CDS1.html The whole website
(dictionary) is a dedication to his work in teaching me to understand. I do
not expect you Don Staples to understand what that means. And again as with
any section of "my" TECHNO TREE BIOLOGY DICTIONARY - I highly suggest anyone
interested in learning about trees and their associates go here:
www.shigoandtrees.com If you have not read and understood this literature
I suggest you do.

Most people will agree after they do read. I also have maintained a site
with his publications in TCI:
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/index.html Enjoy the lucid
reading.
Don, people like you that hate trees and people who understand them, will
not enjoy the articles. Your lack of respect regarding this matter is
unacceptable. I happen to listen enough and looked enough to understand
what I am working with. Dr. Shigo's desire was for people to use these
items. You show not only a lack of respect for Dr. Shigo but for all of his
students. I am also willing to define my terms:
Don Staples, your link to a definition of what a "consulting forester" is,
is dead. The address is
http://www.livingston.net/dstaples/forestry/staples.htm in fact you refuse
to define any terms.

When you say I am not a forester, Don Staples, please define what you mean
when you say "forester". I for one do not have a clue.

As I mentioned, I am willing to define myself.
Consulting Forester - First, let me define what I mean when I say "forest".
You do not have to agree with my terms but you will understand what I mean.
A forest is a highly ordered arrangement of living organisms, living in, on,
and around, all of the ecological stages of trees (be they dead, alive or
symplastless) in such a highly ordered fashion that assures high quality
survival for all. The US Forest Service in commenting on a logging project
in the Allegheny National Forest once defined a forest as "A single stand or
group of trees under one or more ownerships". That's fine, that's what the
forest is to them. They had no background in tree biology. Maybe that's
why my definition is different. As far as they are concerned, you can plant
a forest. I must admit that it is a little far fetched.

Now allow me to define what I mean when I say "consulting forester". First
and most important - Beware of so-called tree experts, like you Don, that do
not understand tree biology. Would you go to a Medical Doctor that flunked
anatomy? A consulting forester is one who has a background in tree
biology, makes decisions on the ecological stages of trees and their
associates, based on tree biology and not board foot. In fact, cutting the
wood out of a once fertile forest, has "no" benefit for the health of the
forest. If you know of one, please let me be the first to know. Usually
when I am wrong, I am happy. I have taken a closer look at what logging is
and have offered only a fraction of just "What it is"
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/SOUND/.

A consulting forester has many things to take into consideration. Now,
that's my definition. Next time someone say's they are a consulting
forester ask them to define it - I dare you!

A solution offered in peer reviewed published journals is that we are
required to separate the forest from the tree farm. Tree farmers will
require help in making sound decisions in efforts to produce a supply of
high quality product over time. Tree biology would be a great value to
them. Clear-cutting a tree farm and using what would have remained as low
quality wood in a chipping mill is too much taking. Post logging decadence
(sic) is no secret. Soil wood will play a key role in the quality of
products and the success of tree farming. The legalization of commercial
hemp in the United States will help attend to many of the needs of man thus
allowing more soil wood, in tree farming. I do not see how, from a tree
biological stand point, you will have success any other way.

BTW What do you mean when you say "ex saw"? If you are claiming that I
dissected trees with Dr. Shigo, GOD BLESS YOU!

--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

[George.com]

"Billy" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Don Staples" > wrote:
>
>> "symplastless" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>>
>> This fraud is neither a forester, biologist, arborist, or tree expert.
>> He
>> is an ex saw hand for Dr. Shigo, trying to rip off the good mans work as
>> his
>> own.
>
> Note to self: get more popcorn

are there annotated notes, so those of us walking in part way through can
get ourselves up to date?

rob

ps don't mention 'nutrients'

[Billy[_4_]]

In article >,
"George.com" > wrote:

> "Billy" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Don Staples" > wrote:
> >
> >> "symplastless" > wrote in message
> >> . ..
> >>
> >> This fraud is neither a forester, biologist, arborist, or tree expert.
> >> He
> >> is an ex saw hand for Dr. Shigo, trying to rip off the good mans work as
> >> his
> >> own.
> >
> > Note to self: get more popcorn
>
> are there annotated notes, so those of us walking in part way through can
> get ourselves up to date?
>
> rob
>
> ps don't mention 'nutrients'

Google-gardening-groups-archives, I suppose. This train wreck has been
going on for a long time, though. It seems like generations have come
and gone. I wouldn't get your hopes up that it'll be over anytime soon.
I'm sure there are further limits of banalities that these two will
breach. Have you ever heard the radio show "Lum and Abner"? A 15 min.
segment can go by and nothing happens. Same here, but with less
significance. I enjoy the gardening groups. I get excited when I see
that there are ten new postings and then morn when I discover eight of
them are from the verbally incontinent John and Don. Hmmm. John Don. Don
John. Doesn't that mean Lord of the toilette?
--

Billy

Bush, Cheney & Pelosi, Behind Bars
http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/site/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_to_impeach_George_W._Bush

[Don Staples]

"symplastless" > wrote in message
. ..

> Sincerely,
> John A. Keslick, Jr.
> Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
> http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
> and www.treedictionary.com
> Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
> Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding
> us that we are not the boss.
>
This fraud is neither a forester, biologist, arborist, or tree expert. He
is an ex saw hand for Dr. Shigo, trying to rip off the good mans work as
his own.

[JoeSpareBedroom]

"Billy" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Don Staples" > wrote:
>
>> "symplastless" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>>
>> This fraud is neither a forester, biologist, arborist, or tree expert.
>> He
>> is an ex saw hand for Dr. Shigo, trying to rip off the good mans work as
>> his
>> own.
>
> Note to self: get more popcorn
> --
>
> Billy


Many tree problems can be solved by swearing at them, or chopping them down
for firewood. I'm not a tree expert, and yet I came up with these amazing
ideas all by myself.

[Billy[_4_]]

In article >,
"JoeSpareBedroom" > wrote:

> "Billy" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Don Staples" > wrote:
> >
> >> "symplastless" > wrote in message
> >> . ..
> >>
> >> This fraud is neither a forester, biologist, arborist, or tree expert.
> >> He
> >> is an ex saw hand for Dr. Shigo, trying to rip off the good mans work as
> >> his
> >> own.
> >
> > Note to self: get more popcorn
> > --
> >
> > Billy
>
>
> Many tree problems can be solved by swearing at them, or chopping them down
> for firewood. I'm not a tree expert, and yet I came up with these amazing
> ideas all by myself.

And 'tis is why you are so revered, oh wise one but I think that Mr. Wu
from "Deadwood" has the only true solution for our so-called tree
experts. Call in the hogs.
--

Billy

Bush, Cheney & Pelosi, Behind Bars
http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/site/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_to_impeach_George_W._Bush

[symplastless]

"Don Staples" > wrote in message
...
> "symplastless" > wrote in message
> . ..
>
>> Sincerely,
>> John A. Keslick, Jr.
>> Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
>> http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
>> and www.treedictionary.com
>> Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
>> Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding
>> us that we are not the boss.
>>
> This fraud is neither a forester, biologist, arborist, or tree expert. He
> is an ex saw hand for Dr. Shigo, trying to rip off the good mans work as
> his own.
>
>

I rest my case.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

[George.com]

"Billy" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "George.com" > wrote:
>
>> "Billy" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >,
>> > "Don Staples" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "symplastless" > wrote in message
>> >> . ..
>> >>
>> >> This fraud is neither a forester, biologist, arborist, or tree expert.
>> >> He
>> >> is an ex saw hand for Dr. Shigo, trying to rip off the good mans work
>> >> as
>> >> his
>> >> own.
>> >
>> > Note to self: get more popcorn
>>
>> are there annotated notes, so those of us walking in part way through can
>> get ourselves up to date?
>>
>> rob
>>
>> ps don't mention 'nutrients'
>
> Google-gardening-groups-archives, I suppose. This train wreck has been
> going on for a long time, though. It seems like generations have come
> and gone. I wouldn't get your hopes up that it'll be over anytime soon.
> I'm sure there are further limits of banalities that these two will
> breach. Have you ever heard the radio show "Lum and Abner"? A 15 min.
> segment can go by and nothing happens. Same here, but with less
> significance. I enjoy the gardening groups. I get excited when I see
> that there are ten new postings and then morn when I discover eight of
> them are from the verbally incontinent John and Don. Hmmm. John Don. Don
> John. Doesn't that mean Lord of the toilette?

I'll get a pillow, blanket and thermos of tea.

rob

[Billy[_4_]]

In article >,
"George.com" > wrote:

> "Billy" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "George.com" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Billy" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > In article >,
> >> > "Don Staples" > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "symplastless" > wrote in message
> >> >> . ..
> >> >>
> >> >> This fraud is neither a forester, biologist, arborist, or tree expert.
> >> >> He
> >> >> is an ex saw hand for Dr. Shigo, trying to rip off the good mans work
> >> >> as
> >> >> his
> >> >> own.
> >> >
> >> > Note to self: get more popcorn
> >>
> >> are there annotated notes, so those of us walking in part way through can
> >> get ourselves up to date?
> >>
> >> rob
> >>
> >> ps don't mention 'nutrients'
> >
> > Google-gardening-groups-archives, I suppose. This train wreck has been
> > going on for a long time, though. It seems like generations have come
> > and gone. I wouldn't get your hopes up that it'll be over anytime soon.
> > I'm sure there are further limits of banalities that these two will
> > breach. Have you ever heard the radio show "Lum and Abner"? A 15 min.
> > segment can go by and nothing happens. Same here, but with less
> > significance. I enjoy the gardening groups. I get excited when I see
> > that there are ten new postings and then morn when I discover eight of
> > them are from the verbally incontinent John and Don. Hmmm. John Don. Don
> > John. Doesn't that mean Lord of the toilette?
>
> I'll get a pillow, blanket and thermos of tea.
>
> rob

Don't rush rob. Like I said about "Lum and Abner", you can miss a couple
of installments and not really miss anything.
--

Billy

Bush, Cheney & Pelosi, Behind Bars
http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/site/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_to_impeach_George_W._Bush