Tomatoes

[FarmI]

What's happening with tomatoes around the country?

We've had limited numbers of decent ones ripening and tis seems to be common
according to what others I've spoken to locally have said.

[David Hare-Scott[_2_]]

FarmI wrote:
> What's happening with tomatoes around the country?
>
> We've had limited numbers of decent ones ripening and tis seems to be
> common according to what others I've spoken to locally have said.

Same here, poor fruit setting, poor ripening. I have no clear idea except
it may have been too hot until recently for good pollination.

David

[jonno]

David Hare-Scott wrote:
> FarmI wrote:
>> What's happening with tomatoes around the country?
>>
>> We've had limited numbers of decent ones ripening and tis seems to be
>> common according to what others I've spoken to locally have said.
>
> Same here, poor fruit setting, poor ripening. I have no clear idea
> except it may have been too hot until recently for good pollination.
>
> David
For some reason, I've had some good tomatoes in Melbourne, but the
weather has been very hot.
Cucumbers? Forget it they're behind and haven't pollinated properly the
last few weeks.

[jonno]

David Hare-Scott wrote:
> FarmI wrote:
>> What's happening with tomatoes around the country?
>>
>> We've had limited numbers of decent ones ripening and tis seems to be
>> common according to what others I've spoken to locally have said.
>
> Same here, poor fruit setting, poor ripening. I have no clear idea
except it may have been too hot until recently for good pollination.
>
> David
For some reason, I've had some good tomatoes in Melbourne, but the
weather has been very hot.
Cucumbers? Forget it they're behind and haven't pollinated
Here's a fine example of what i'm getting... >>> http://tinyurl.com/cugv54

[Ed Adamthwaite[_3_]]

Hi Farm1,
it's been a disaster season here in the Dandenongs east of Melbourne for
tomatoes. Early on we had a plague of aphids sucking the life out of
everything green. Applications of white oil hardly made a dent in their
attack. Then we had practically no rain and weren't allowed to water them
more than twice a week. The white oil residue nearly suffocated the plants
and it was only the new growth that kept the plants going. The old leaves
died and had to be cut off. Once the aphids died out later in the summer the
new growth managed to get ahead and flower. I have had less than 5% of the
harvest that I had last year. The one redeeming feature is that the tomatoes
that have ripened so far have few seeds and liquid but have more than 90%
flesh. They are the best flavoured tomatoes that I have ever had. If only I
had enough extra to put into the dehydrator....
Regards,
Ed.

"FarmI" <ask@itshall be given> wrote in message
...
> What's happening with tomatoes around the country?
>
> We've had limited numbers of decent ones ripening and tis seems to be
> common according to what others I've spoken to locally have said.
>

[LindaB]

In south-east Victoria they were slow to start (we had them in late
too). Then there was a bit of wilt/dieback.

However the Romas have come through that well, and have one of the
best crops for years. The Grosse Lisse are but a shadow of previous
years.

We trialled Amish Paste and Earliest of All - and will try them again
next year, although they have not been brilliant in the conditions.
The Amish Paste look promising.

I checked my records - we made our last sauce last year on 28 March,
so they still have plenty of time to ripen.

Cheers

LindaB

[Anne Chambers[_2_]]

jonno wrote:
> David Hare-Scott wrote:
> > FarmI wrote:
> >> What's happening with tomatoes around the country?
> >>
> >> We've had limited numbers of decent ones ripening and tis seems to be
> >> common according to what others I've spoken to locally have said.
> >
> > Same here, poor fruit setting, poor ripening. I have no clear idea
> except it may have been too hot until recently for good pollination.
> >
> > David
> For some reason, I've had some good tomatoes in Melbourne, but the
> weather has been very hot.
> Cucumbers? Forget it they're behind and haven't pollinated
> Here's a fine example of what i'm getting... >>> http://tinyurl.com/cugv54

Mine are just ripening now (I'm in SA, just over the Vic border in the
SE) - they are a good size and there are plenty of them. I've got bore
water so have been watering them well.

I got one cucumber but the usual glut of zucchinis, pumpkin and squash.

--
Anne Chambers
South Australia

anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com

[LindaB]

Should also have said - the cucumber bushes don't look much, but the
crop has been about equal to previous years - just a bit slow off the
mark.

Linda
south-east Victoria

[jonno]

LindaB wrote:
> Should also have said - the cucumber bushes don't look much, but the
> crop has been about equal to previous years - just a bit slow off the
> mark.
>
> Linda
> south-east Victoria
The weather is probably too hot fot the bees and pollination, but the
flowers have not appeared either so its just too damn hot...

[0tterbot]

"FarmI" <ask@itshall be given> wrote in message
...
> What's happening with tomatoes around the country?
>
> We've had limited numbers of decent ones ripening and tis seems to be
> common according to what others I've spoken to locally have said.

i'd agree with that, & my tomatoes are shite too! even the ever-reliable
cherry varieties just aren't ripening (we've had a grand total of SEVEN
cherry toms & that is all). the romas this year are just a dud - i've
stopped watering them & lost all hope for them this year. tomatoes give me
the shits anyway, i don't know why i bother.

my cucurbits have been truly awful (& have friends saying the same about
that as well). we finally have a few cucumbers happening at long last, but
NO pumpkin, potimarron, spaghetti squash etc AT ALL, and, (wait for it!)
only two zucchini so far!!!!!!!!! this is unheard of!!!!!!!! i haven't seen
much bee activity for quite a while & i wonder what is going on there.
we've had bees out the wazoo all year round since we came, but not lately.

at my house, it's just been an awful season - too cool to start with, then
an unbelievable heatwave, now it's been too cool again & at no stage has
there been enough rain. hopeless. my basil this year has been all right
though for the first time ever (probably because i stopped trying to
companion plant with tomatoes). then again, the carrots have been very good
as well - i seem to have conquered my carrot problems!
kylie

[SG1[_3_]]

"0tterbot" > wrote in message
...
> "FarmI" <ask@itshall be given> wrote in message
> ...
>> What's happening with tomatoes around the country?
>>
>> We've had limited numbers of decent ones ripening and tis seems to be
>> common according to what others I've spoken to locally have said.
>
> i'd agree with that, & my tomatoes are shite too! even the ever-reliable
> cherry varieties just aren't ripening (we've had a grand total of SEVEN
> cherry toms & that is all). the romas this year are just a dud - i've
> stopped watering them & lost all hope for them this year. tomatoes give me
> the shits anyway, i don't know why i bother.
>
> my cucurbits have been truly awful (& have friends saying the same about
> that as well). we finally have a few cucumbers happening at long last, but
> NO pumpkin, potimarron, spaghetti squash etc AT ALL, and, (wait for it!)
> only two zucchini so far!!!!!!!!! this is unheard of!!!!!!!! i haven't
> seen much bee activity for quite a while & i wonder what is going on
> there. we've had bees out the wazoo all year round since we came, but not
> lately.
>
> at my house, it's just been an awful season - too cool to start with, then
> an unbelievable heatwave, now it's been too cool again & at no stage has
> there been enough rain. hopeless. my basil this year has been all right
> though for the first time ever (probably because i stopped trying to
> companion plant with tomatoes). then again, the carrots have been very
> good as well - i seem to have conquered my carrot problems!
> kylie
>
I have a late planted Qld blue in the front (flower) garden where the
jalapenos & Cayennes are doing great. So far the only fruit is 1 metre off
the ground where the plant got airborne over the resident native tree
(mental blank as to what it is). The capsicums in the back yard are being
prolific, and the now dead cucumbers went beserk with fruit.

[jonno]

Yep, the pumpkins are late, and peppers are going great now the weather
is a little cooler here in Melbourne. But its a day to day thing with
hot spurts in between. N. B. wonder vegetables are confused...

Time to put in winter seedlings? I reckon so....


>>
> I have a late planted Qld blue in the front (flower) garden where the
> jalapenos & Cayennes are doing great. So far the only fruit is 1 metre off
> the ground where the plant got airborne over the resident native tree
> (mental blank as to what it is). The capsicums in the back yard are being
> prolific, and the now dead cucumbers went beserk with fruit.
>
>

[Tom N]

0tterbot wrote:

> i haven't seen much bee activity for quite a while & i
> wonder what is going on there. we've had bees out the wazoo all year
> round since we came, but not lately.

I haven't been seeing many bees lately either (Melbourne). Half of those I
see are blue-banded bees (native) rather than introduced bees (which is
what we normally see). Blue-banded bees have been rare in the past. Many
of the introduced bees I see are crawling on the ground like they are
dying.

Our tomatoes have been shite (2 types of cherry and 1 roma). Fungal
problems early on, lots of flowers, not many leaves, hardly any fruit.
Tank water so no problem there.

We had plenty of nectarines so the bees must have been active in spring.

[jonno]

Tom N wrote:
> 0tterbot wrote:
>
>> i haven't seen much bee activity for quite a while & i
>> wonder what is going on there. we've had bees out the wazoo all year
>> round since we came, but not lately.
>
> I haven't been seeing many bees lately either (Melbourne). Half of those I
> see are blue-banded bees (native) rather than introduced bees (which is
> what we normally see). Blue-banded bees have been rare in the past. Many
> of the introduced bees I see are crawling on the ground like they are
> dying.
>
> Our tomatoes have been shite (2 types of cherry and 1 roma). Fungal
> problems early on, lots of flowers, not many leaves, hardly any fruit.
> Tank water so no problem there.
>
> We had plenty of nectarines so the bees must have been active in spring.
Same here. Blue banded bees, are seen but the lavender, which usually
attracts all bees are only visited by blue banded bees (never noticed
b4) and are unfortunately seasonal types. The introduced species are
missing completely in the northern suburbs of Melbourne for sure, or at
least diminished. I wondered why I couldnt see the little beggars
earlier this year, thinking I may have killed them using dusting powder....

Wonder what might be going on...

[jonno]

Tom N wrote:
> 0tterbot wrote:
>
>> i haven't seen much bee activity for quite a while & i
>> wonder what is going on there. we've had bees out the wazoo all year
>> round since we came, but not lately.
>
> I haven't been seeing many bees lately either (Melbourne). Half of those I
> see are blue-banded bees (native) rather than introduced bees (which is
> what we normally see). Blue-banded bees have been rare in the past. Many
> of the introduced bees I see are crawling on the ground like they are
> dying.
>
> Our tomatoes have been shite (2 types of cherry and 1 roma). Fungal
> problems early on, lots of flowers, not many leaves, hardly any fruit.
> Tank water so no problem there.
>
> We had plenty of nectarines so the bees must have been active in spring.
Same here. Blue banded bees, are seen but the lavender, which usually
attracts all bees are only visited by blue banded bees (never noticed
b4) and are unfortunately seasonal types. The introduced species are
missing completely in the northern suburbs of Melbourne for sure, or at
least diminished. I wondered why I couldnt see the little beggars
earlier this year, thinking I may have killed them using dusting powder....

Wonder what might be going on...

[FarmI]

"Ed Adamthwaite" > wrote in message
> Hi Farm1,
> it's been a disaster season here in the Dandenongs east of Melbourne for
> tomatoes. Early on we had a plague of aphids sucking the life out of
> everything green. Applications of white oil hardly made a dent in their
> attack. Then we had practically no rain and weren't allowed to water them
> more than twice a week. The white oil residue nearly suffocated the
> plants and it was only the new growth that kept the plants going. The old
> leaves died and had to be cut off. Once the aphids died out later in the
> summer the new growth managed to get ahead and flower. I have had less
> than 5% of the harvest that I had last year. The one redeeming feature is
> that the tomatoes that have ripened so far have few seeds and liquid but
> have more than 90% flesh. They are the best flavoured tomatoes that I have
> ever had. If only > had enough extra to put into the dehydrator....
> Regards,
> Ed.

Geeze Ed, although you sound like you have had a rotten year for toms,
you've actually managed to cheer me up considerably.

We haven't had nearly your run of incidents - just not up to par or as good
as they should be.

I hope you got compensatory better returns for other crops like we've done
with cucumbers and strawberries.

[FarmI]

"0tterbot" > wrote in message
> "FarmI" <ask@itshall be given> wrote in message

>> What's happening with tomatoes around the country?
>>
>> We've had limited numbers of decent ones ripening and tis seems to be
>> common according to what others I've spoken to locally have said.
>
> i'd agree with that, & my tomatoes are shite too! even the ever-reliable
> cherry varieties just aren't ripening (we've had a grand total of SEVEN
> cherry toms & that is all).

:-)) I went to a 'fibre day' at la weaver's place one road further to the
east from you and the lady there had good toms growing. I hasten to add
that she had rigged up a couple of poly pipe arches with plastic over the
top and had all her veg growing in there, so I noted that just in case we
end up living nearer to where you are. I suspect tha realy reason for the
arch was to keep of the wildlife but ti also worked for evening out the
climate extremes and being on her own, she didn't need a big crop of
anything, just fresh stuff instead of supermarket stuff.

the romas this year are just a dud - i've
> stopped watering them & lost all hope for them this year. tomatoes give me
> the shits anyway, i don't know why i bother.

Literally the shits or metaphorically?

> my cucurbits have been truly awful (& have friends saying the same about
> that as well). we finally have a few cucumbers happening at long last, but
> NO pumpkin, potimarron, spaghetti squash etc AT ALL, and, (wait for it!)
> only two zucchini so far!!!!!!!!! this is unheard of!!!!!!!!

Good Lord! Zucchini and cucumber doing the proverbial strangling of us in
our beds and Golden Nugget pumpkins being given away in copious quantities.
Zucchini cake, zucchini fritters, zucchini loaf.....How long till the first
frost? Perhaps the only good reason to hope for a frost.

i haven't seen
> much bee activity for quite a while & i wonder what is going on there.
> we've had bees out the wazoo all year round since we came, but not lately.
>
> at my house, it's just been an awful season - too cool to start with, then
> an unbelievable heatwave, now it's been too cool again & at no stage has
> there been enough rain. hopeless. my basil this year has been all right
> though for the first time ever (probably because i stopped trying to
> companion plant with tomatoes). then again, the carrots have been very
> good as well - i seem to have conquered my carrot problems!

I suspect if we get a rotter of a season for one thing, then we get
compensation for another. A bit like life I guess

[0tterbot]

"FarmI" <ask@itshall be given> wrote in message
...
> :-)) I went to a 'fibre day' at la weaver's place one road further to the
> east from you and the lady there had good toms growing. I hasten to add
> that she had rigged up a couple of poly pipe arches with plastic over the
> top and had all her veg growing in there, so I noted that just in case we
> end up living nearer to where you are. I suspect tha realy reason for the
> arch was to keep of the wildlife but ti also worked for evening out the
> climate extremes and being on her own, she didn't need a big crop of
> anything, just fresh stuff instead of supermarket stuff.

keeping the wildlife out would be a BIG motivator, i suspect! we're in the
process of making tunnel-like covers with shade cloth on top (not sure if
shade cloth is ideal or not, but the first ones are intended for brassicas
to keep out the c.w. butterflies.) other than that we are having/have had
big problems with furry creatures & now the ****ing rabbits are back, and a
new invasion of choughs just today. i could just scream some days, but i'm
learning to take it more philosophically. sort of. it is nice to live
amongst bushland in this area but some days i feel its not worth it!

> the romas this year are just a dud - i've
>> stopped watering them & lost all hope for them this year. tomatoes give
>> me the shits anyway, i don't know why i bother.
>
> Literally the shits or metaphorically?

:-) i just can't get interested in them. i like eating them, but i'm not a
tomato-growing nut & never will be. anything that has to be staked, propped,
wired, or whatever just drives me crazy. so i haven't staked the cherry toms
because in my experience they simply do not care either way!! (also, eating
tomatoes makes my finger joints hurt - someone told me they cause arthritis
flare-ups & perhaps this is the first sign!!)

in this same way, the very idea of growing fruit trees bores me to sobs. if
they go well on their own, that's great. otherwise, i just don't give a
shit, it's too much trouble. i thought i was interested in fruit like i'm
interested in veg, but apparently i was wrong.

> I suspect if we get a rotter of a season for one thing, then we get
> compensation for another. A bit like life I guess

this is very true, & one of my sole consolations :-)
kylie (who seems to have included a good deal of swearing in this post!)

[jonno]

0tterbot wrote:
> "FarmI" <ask@itshall be given> wrote in message
> ...
>> :-)) I went to a 'fibre day' at la weaver's place one road further to the
>> east from you and the lady there had good toms growing. I hasten to add
>> that she had rigged up a couple of poly pipe arches with plastic over the
>> top and had all her veg growing in there, so I noted that just in case we
>> end up living nearer to where you are. I suspect tha realy reason for the
>> arch was to keep of the wildlife but ti also worked for evening out the
>> climate extremes and being on her own, she didn't need a big crop of
>> anything, just fresh stuff instead of supermarket stuff.
>
> keeping the wildlife out would be a BIG motivator, i suspect! we're in the
> process of making tunnel-like covers with shade cloth on top (not sure if
> shade cloth is ideal or not, but the first ones are intended for brassicas
> to keep out the c.w. butterflies.) other than that we are having/have had
> big problems with furry creatures & now the ****ing rabbits are back, and a
> new invasion of choughs just today. i could just scream some days, but i'm
> learning to take it more philosophically. sort of. it is nice to live
> amongst bushland in this area but some days i feel its not worth it!
>
>> the romas this year are just a dud - i've
>>> stopped watering them & lost all hope for them this year. tomatoes give
>>> me the shits anyway, i don't know why i bother.
>> Literally the shits or metaphorically?
>
> :-) i just can't get interested in them. i like eating them, but i'm not a
> tomato-growing nut & never will be. anything that has to be staked, propped,
> wired, or whatever just drives me crazy. so i haven't staked the cherry toms
> because in my experience they simply do not care either way!! (also, eating
> tomatoes makes my finger joints hurt - someone told me they cause arthritis
> flare-ups & perhaps this is the first sign!!)
>
> in this same way, the very idea of growing fruit trees bores me to sobs. if
> they go well on their own, that's great. otherwise, i just don't give a
> shit, it's too much trouble. i thought i was interested in fruit like i'm
> interested in veg, but apparently i was wrong.
>
>> I suspect if we get a rotter of a season for one thing, then we get
>> compensation for another. A bit like life I guess
>
> this is very true, & one of my sole consolations :-)
> kylie (who seems to have included a good deal of swearing in this post!)
>
>
Crickey youre in as mood today.
Time for a soothing lavender bath...

[0tterbot]

"jonno" > wrote in message
...
>> this is very true, & one of my sole consolations :-)
>> kylie (who seems to have included a good deal of swearing in this post!)
> Crickey youre in as mood today.

you're not wrong there, sunshine!!!!!!

> Time for a soothing lavender bath...

firstly, baths make me pass out; and secondly, whilst i have two bathtubs,
one contains water chestnuts & the other is my grey water system. and
thirdly, the lavender's not flowering again yet.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS??!
*^#%$!!!!! <g>

:-)))
kylie
(isn't a morning in the garden meant to be a soothing experience?)

[SG1[_3_]]

"0tterbot" > wrote in message
...
> "jonno" > wrote in message
> ...
>>> this is very true, & one of my sole consolations :-)
>>> kylie (who seems to have included a good deal of swearing in this post!)
>> Crickey youre in as mood today.
>
> you're not wrong there, sunshine!!!!!!
>
>> Time for a soothing lavender bath...
>
> firstly, baths make me pass out; and secondly, whilst i have two bathtubs,
> one contains water chestnuts & the other is my grey water system. and
> thirdly, the lavender's not flowering again yet.
>
> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS??!
> *^#%$!!!!! <g>
>
> :-)))
> kylie
> (isn't a morning in the garden meant to be a soothing experience?)
>
I guess it would be wasted to say like the seppos.
Have a nice day.................

[tony@altavista.com]

On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 01:16:13 GMT, "0tterbot" > wrote:

>"FarmI" <ask@itshall be given> wrote in message
...
>> :-)) I went to a 'fibre day' at la weaver's place one road further to the
>> east from you and the lady there had good toms growing. I hasten to add
>> that she had rigged up a couple of poly pipe arches with plastic over the
>> top and had all her veg growing in there, so I noted that just in case we
>> end up living nearer to where you are. I suspect tha realy reason for the
>> arch was to keep of the wildlife but ti also worked for evening out the
>> climate extremes and being on her own, she didn't need a big crop of
>> anything, just fresh stuff instead of supermarket stuff.
>
>keeping the wildlife out would be a BIG motivator, i suspect! we're in the
>process of making tunnel-like covers with shade cloth on top (not sure if
>shade cloth is ideal or not, but the first ones are intended for brassicas
>to keep out the c.w. butterflies.) other than that we are having/have had
>big problems with furry creatures & now the ****ing rabbits are back,

Ahhhh Free meat for the pot..... Yummmm !

> and a new invasion of choughs just today. i could just scream some days, but i'm
>learning to take it more philosophically. sort of. it is nice to live
>amongst bushland in this area but some days i feel its not worth it!
>
>> the romas this year are just a dud - i've
>>> stopped watering them & lost all hope for them this year. tomatoes give
>>> me the shits anyway, i don't know why i bother.
>>
>> Literally the shits or metaphorically?
>
>:-) i just can't get interested in them. i like eating them, but i'm not a
>tomato-growing nut & never will be. anything that has to be staked, propped,
>wired, or whatever just drives me crazy. so i haven't staked the cherry toms
>because in my experience they simply do not care either way!! (also, eating
>tomatoes makes my finger joints hurt

You're supposed to stop chewing when you get to your fingers and only
eat the actual tomatoes....

>- someone told me they cause arthritis flare-ups & perhaps this is the first sign!!)
>
>in this same way, the very idea of growing fruit trees bores me to sobs. if
>they go well on their own, that's great. otherwise, i just don't give a
>shit, it's too much trouble. i thought i was interested in fruit like i'm
>interested in veg, but apparently i was wrong.
>
>> I suspect if we get a rotter of a season for one thing, then we get
>> compensation for another. A bit like life I guess
>
>this is very true, & one of my sole consolations :-)
>kylie (who seems to have included a good deal of swearing in this post!)
>

[FarmI]

"0tterbot" > wrote in message
> "FarmI" <ask@itshall be given> wrote in message

> keeping the wildlife out would be a BIG motivator, i suspect! we're in the
> process of making tunnel-like covers with shade cloth on top (not sure if
> shade cloth is ideal or not, but the first ones are intended for brassicas
> to keep out the c.w. butterflies.)

Have you tried makign fake ones out of an old 2 Litre milk container? Cut
them to shape of a CW in flight and put some black spots on them and then
put them on satay skewers near brassicas. I'm quite convinced that they
work to keep off the real CW flutterbys.


other than that we are having/have had
> big problems with furry creatures & now the ****ing rabbits are back,

No nearby Jack Russell to lend a hand? We've noticed the numbers of buns
had started building up here too but the 2 JRs are going off and spending
half an hour out of sight doing something. I suspect it might be a bit of
rabbit destruction as we se the odd bits of fur around and less signs of
live buns.

and a
> new invasion of choughs just today. i could just scream some days, but i'm
> learning to take it more philosophically. sort of.

Snort! Pull the other one, it chimes!

it is nice to live
> amongst bushland in this area but some days i feel its not worth it!

We've spent a bloody fortune in hugely wide bird netting as it's the only
way to get produce from our fruit trees. Now Himself has retired, there is
no way Mr Frugality is going to let a simple bird beat him. He's never
given up on anything, or backed away from anything difficult or 'impossible'
in the past so a sodding bird is not going to defeat him. I just wander
along behind him doing what I'm told and shoving the broom head up where I'm
told under the bird wire. It sort of works out OK till I get the Tom Tits
over something and remove myself in a state of high irritation :-))

Gotta say, the apples and nectarines have been well worth the effort of
beatign the birds.
>
>> the romas this year are just a dud - i've
>>> stopped watering them & lost all hope for them this year. tomatoes give
>>> me the shits anyway, i don't know why i bother.
>>
>> Literally the shits or metaphorically?
>
> :-) i just can't get interested in them. i like eating them, but i'm not a
> tomato-growing nut & never will be. anything that has to be staked,
> propped, wired, or whatever just drives me crazy. so i haven't staked the
> cherry toms because in my experience they simply do not care either way!!

I guess I also couldn't be described as a fnatic about the stakign and
tieing up, but I don't mind the other care of them. Himself liked to do the
bondage thing to the toms.

(also, eating
> tomatoes makes my finger joints hurt - someone told me they cause
> arthritis flare-ups & perhaps this is the first sign!!)

Yep. My father found that toms made his arthritis flare like crazy.

> in this same way, the very idea of growing fruit trees bores me to sobs.
> if they go well on their own, that's great. otherwise, i just don't give a
> shit, it's too much trouble. i thought i was interested in fruit like i'm
> interested in veg, but apparently i was wrong.

Hmm. Interesting. In what way don't you like it? I get the same sort of
thrill from watching my trees as I do the veg. I like to see them respond
after pruning and when given food and water etc.
>
>> I suspect if we get a rotter of a season for one thing, then we get
>> compensation for another. A bit like life I guess
>
> this is very true, & one of my sole consolations :-)
> kylie (who seems to have included a good deal of swearing in this post!)

Didn't notice any swearing. I just noticed technical descriptions commonly
used by gardeners.

[FarmI]

> wrote in message
> On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 01:16:13 GMT, "0tterbot" > wrote:

other than that we are having/have had
>>big problems with furry creatures & now the ****ing rabbits are back,
>
> Ahhhh Free meat for the pot..... Yummmm !

Dunno about that. I suspect farmed rabbits are the way to go. Himself shot
one on our back lawn and handed it to me to skin, gut and cook. I figured
it wasn't too dissimilar to a chook so managed the gutting and skinning OK.
Bloody thing got its revenge by being as tough as an old boot once cooked.
I should have just cut it up with some secateurs and given it to the dogs.

[SG1[_3_]]

"FarmI" <ask@itshall be given> wrote in message
...
> > wrote in message
>> On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 01:16:13 GMT, "0tterbot" > wrote:
>
> other than that we are having/have had
>>>big problems with furry creatures & now the ****ing rabbits are back,
>>
>> Ahhhh Free meat for the pot..... Yummmm !
>
> Dunno about that. I suspect farmed rabbits are the way to go. Himself
> shot one on our back lawn and handed it to me to skin, gut and cook. I
> figured it wasn't too dissimilar to a chook so managed the gutting and
> skinning OK. Bloody thing got its revenge by being as tough as an old boot
> once cooked. I should have just cut it up with some secateurs and given it
> to the dogs.
>
>
Feral rabbits soak overnight in salt water. Removes the strong gamey taste
that may be offputting to some. Myself I have not been able to skin & gut
the blighters since going thru puberty, me not the bunnies. B4 being 13 I
used to keep the family in underground mutton. Then the smell of warm flesh
made me throw up, but not enough to become a vegie.

[jonno]

0tterbot wrote:
> "jonno" > wrote in message
> ...
>>> this is very true, & one of my sole consolations :-)
>>> kylie (who seems to have included a good deal of swearing in this post!)
>> Crickey youre in as mood today.
>
> you're not wrong there, sunshine!!!!!!
>
>> Time for a soothing lavender bath...
>
> firstly, baths make me pass out; and secondly, whilst i have two bathtubs,
> one contains water chestnuts & the other is my grey water system. and
> thirdly, the lavender's not flowering again yet.
Yeah you could say youre priorities are wrong.
Baths are for people.
And last years lavender though not as good, would help you and youre not
prepared for anything. You could always buy a sachet at a market and
breathe in deep...
Orright!



>
> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS??!
> *^#%$!!!!! <g>
All done with...
>
> :-)))
> kylie
> (isn't a morning in the garden meant to be a soothing experience?)
It is if its planned right.
Those who fail to plan, plan to fail!

The magpies in my garden reckon the others who joined the the other
night don't belong so its an all out battle at the moment.

So much for peace in the neighbourhood garden.
Another few weeks and they will disappear for a few weeks, dispersing
their young.
Bees missing, still some Damn european wasps about. Dont they kill bees too?



>
>

[FarmI]

"SG1" > wrote in message
> "FarmI" <ask@itshall be given> wrote in message
>> > wrote in message
>>> On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 01:16:13 GMT, "0tterbot" > wrote:
>>
>> other than that we are having/have had
>>>>big problems with furry creatures & now the ****ing rabbits are back,
>>>
>>> Ahhhh Free meat for the pot..... Yummmm !
>>
>> Dunno about that. I suspect farmed rabbits are the way to go. Himself
>> shot one on our back lawn and handed it to me to skin, gut and cook. I
>> figured it wasn't too dissimilar to a chook so managed the gutting and
>> skinning OK. Bloody thing got its revenge by being as tough as an old
>> boot once cooked. I should have just cut it up with some secateurs and
>> given it to the dogs.
>>
>>
> Feral rabbits soak overnight in salt water. Removes the strong gamey taste
> that may be offputting to some.

It wasn't a strong gamey taste that was wrong with it, it was jsut as tough
as a boot. I dont' mind gamey flavour.

Myself I have not been able to skin & gut
> the blighters since going thru puberty, me not the bunnies. B4 being 13 I
> used to keep the family in underground mutton. Then the smell of warm
> flesh made me throw up, but not enough to become a vegie.

Know what you mean about that warm flesh smell. There really is nothing
that smells quite like it.

[Jeßus[_2_]]

In article <49b36eb9$0$4231$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
01.iinet.net.au>, ask@itshall says...

> Know what you mean about that warm flesh smell. There really is nothing
> that smells quite like it.

Yeah, quite distinctive. As long as theres a breeze, or at least some
airflow, it ain't too bad. And if it needs to be said, the sooner you
gut an animal, the better.

I must be lucky, havent had a bunny with tough meat here as yet.

[Andy]

"FarmI" <ask@itshall be given> wrote in message
...
> What's happening with tomatoes around the country?
>
> We've had limited numbers of decent ones ripening and tis seems to be
> common according to what others I've spoken to locally have said.
>

My veggie garden has been poor this summer as well here in Gippsland.
Tomatoes have been late, poor sweetcorn crop, no cucumbers to pick yet.
Oddly some of my fruit trees (apples, plums, nectarines) are flowering again
now.

[terryc]

On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 17:43:14 +1100, FarmI wrote:

> Bloody thing got its revenge by being as tough as an old
> boot once cooked.

Slow cooking.

If you have a few, you could always try the chook softner technique; give
them chateau le cardboard to drink, or so I'm told.

[jonno]

terryc wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 17:43:14 +1100, FarmI wrote:
>
>> Bloody thing got its revenge by being as tough as an old
>> boot once cooked.
>
> Slow cooking.
>
> If you have a few, you could always try the chook softner technique; give
> them chateau le cardboard to drink, or so I'm told.
>
Or drink it yourself...and forget about the worlds woes and rabbits for
a while...Jack Russel's sound like fun. What do they taste like?

[tony@altavista.com]

On Sat, 7 Mar 2009 17:43:14 +1100, "FarmI" <ask@itshall be given>
wrote:

> wrote in message
>> On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 01:16:13 GMT, "0tterbot" > wrote:
>
> other than that we are having/have had
>>>big problems with furry creatures & now the ****ing rabbits are back,
>>
>> Ahhhh Free meat for the pot..... Yummmm !
>
>Dunno about that. I suspect farmed rabbits are the way to go. Himself shot
>one on our back lawn and handed it to me to skin, gut and cook. I figured
>it wasn't too dissimilar to a chook so managed the gutting and skinning OK.
>Bloody thing got its revenge by being as tough as an old boot once cooked.
>I should have just cut it up with some secateurs and given it to the dogs.
>
Brown all over in a large pot (Pressure cooker) in a good dollop of
olive oil, close up and cookin own juices and a touch of extra water
or perhaps a bit of "Red" added, for around 20 ~ minutes.

Open, season and eat.....

[terryc]

On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 17:43:14 +1100, FarmI wrote:


> Dunno about that. I suspect farmed rabbits are the way to go.

Frankly, they are tasteless, require individual cages and then you have
to buy(expensive) or hand collect their feed.

If they ran like a flock of chooks, it would be easier, but you would
still need fences down 4' and over 6' high. The problem with a group of
rabbits is they take to fighting as they mature, both sexes, which ruins
the skins.

[Tom N]

jonno wrote:

> Tom N wrote:
>> 0tterbot wrote:
>>
>>> i haven't seen much bee activity for quite a while & i
>>> wonder what is going on there. we've had bees out the wazoo all year
>>> round since we came, but not lately.
>>
>> I haven't been seeing many bees lately either (Melbourne). Half of
>> those I see are blue-banded bees (native) rather than introduced bees
>> (which is what we normally see). Blue-banded bees have been rare in
>> the past. Many of the introduced bees I see are crawling on the
>> ground like they are dying.
>>
>> Our tomatoes have been shite (2 types of cherry and 1 roma). Fungal
>> problems early on, lots of flowers, not many leaves, hardly any
>> fruit. Tank water so no problem there.
>>
>> We had plenty of nectarines so the bees must have been active in
>> spring.
> Same here. Blue banded bees, are seen but the lavender, which usually
> attracts all bees are only visited by blue banded bees (never noticed
> b4) and are unfortunately seasonal types. The introduced species are
> missing completely in the northern suburbs of Melbourne for sure, or
> at least diminished. I wondered why I couldnt see the little beggars
> earlier this year, thinking I may have killed them using dusting
> powder....
>
> Wonder what might be going on...

I saw a couple of healthy European honey bees today. Still way outnumbered
by blue banded bees (and European wasps for that matter).

Perhaps the extreme heat and lack of rain in Melbourne has been to blame.
If that is the reason, then it must be perfect weather for blue banded
bees.

I saw a story in the local paper about a house dripping honey after a bees
nest in the ceiling melted in the heat.

[SG1[_3_]]

"terryc" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 17:43:14 +1100, FarmI wrote:
>
>
>> Dunno about that. I suspect farmed rabbits are the way to go.
>
> Frankly, they are tasteless, require individual cages and then you have
> to buy(expensive) or hand collect their feed.
>
> If they ran like a flock of chooks, it would be easier, but you would
> still need fences down 4' and over 6' high. The problem with a group of
> rabbits is they take to fighting as they mature, both sexes, which ruins
> the skins.
>
My middle brother raised NZ whites in years past. Bloody big enuf to saddle,
and with a real sour disposition, biting the hand that feeds ya is NOT good
form. Really biting had to wear gloves and this was the alpha male of the
household.

[jonno]

SG1 wrote:
> "terryc" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 17:43:14 +1100, FarmI wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Dunno about that. I suspect farmed rabbits are the way to go.
>> Frankly, they are tasteless, require individual cages and then you have
>> to buy(expensive) or hand collect their feed.
>>
>> If they ran like a flock of chooks, it would be easier, but you would
>> still need fences down 4' and over 6' high. The problem with a group of
>> rabbits is they take to fighting as they mature, both sexes, which ruins
>> the skins.
>>
> My middle brother raised NZ whites in years past. Bloody big enuf to saddle,
> and with a real sour disposition, biting the hand that feeds ya is NOT good
> form. Really biting had to wear gloves and this was the alpha male of the
> household.
>
>
Get this
"The damage was not covered by insurance because it was caused by an
insect rather than an animal."
Arent bees an animal? Of course they are.
Open to further comment...

Bet ya it was Commonwealth insurance!
Good people to do business with, until you make a claim.
Found the story here...> http://preview.tinyurl.com/cma7q5

[jonno]

Tom N wrote:
> jonno wrote:
>
>> Tom N wrote:
>>> 0tterbot wrote:
>>>
>>>> i haven't seen much bee activity for quite a while & i
>>>> wonder what is going on there. we've had bees out the wazoo all year
>>>> round since we came, but not lately.
>>> I haven't been seeing many bees lately either (Melbourne). Half of
>>> those I see are blue-banded bees (native) rather than introduced bees
>>> (which is what we normally see). Blue-banded bees have been rare in
>>> the past. Many of the introduced bees I see are crawling on the
>>> ground like they are dying.
>>>
>>> Our tomatoes have been shite (2 types of cherry and 1 roma). Fungal
>>> problems early on, lots of flowers, not many leaves, hardly any
>>> fruit. Tank water so no problem there.
>>>
>>> We had plenty of nectarines so the bees must have been active in
>>> spring.
>> Same here. Blue banded bees, are seen but the lavender, which usually
>> attracts all bees are only visited by blue banded bees (never noticed
>> b4) and are unfortunately seasonal types. The introduced species are
>> missing completely in the northern suburbs of Melbourne for sure, or
>> at least diminished. I wondered why I couldnt see the little beggars
>> earlier this year, thinking I may have killed them using dusting
>> powder....
>>
>> Wonder what might be going on...
>
> I saw a couple of healthy European honey bees today. Still way outnumbered
> by blue banded bees (and European wasps for that matter).
>
> Perhaps the extreme heat and lack of rain in Melbourne has been to blame.
> If that is the reason, then it must be perfect weather for blue banded
> bees.
>
> I saw a story in the local paper about a house dripping honey after a bees
> nest in the ceiling melted in the heat.

Get this
"The damage was not covered by insurance because it was caused by an
insect rather than an animal."
Arent bees an animal? Of course they are.
Open to further comment...

Bet ya it was Commonwealth insurance!
Good people to do business with, until you make a claim.
Found the story here...> http://preview.tinyurl.com/cma7q5

[David Hare-Scott[_2_]]

FarmI wrote:
> > wrote in message
>> On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 01:16:13 GMT, "0tterbot" > wrote:
>
> other than that we are having/have had
>>> big problems with furry creatures & now the ****ing rabbits are
>>> back,
>>
>> Ahhhh Free meat for the pot..... Yummmm !
>
> Dunno about that. I suspect farmed rabbits are the way to go. Himself
> shot one on our back lawn and handed it to me to skin, gut
> and cook. I figured it wasn't too dissimilar to a chook so managed
> the gutting and skinning OK. Bloody thing got its revenge by being as
> tough as an old boot once cooked. I should have just cut it up with
> some secateurs and given it to the dogs.

I don't have rabbits for long despite plenty in the district, good feed and
unfenced vege garden. The kelpie rabbit remover is too good. He is quite
willing to hand them over to me but many are not in a state to cook as they
have been overly punctured. The non punctured ones are inclined to squeal
but only until he starts to eat at the head. By that stage I just tell him
he's a good boy and leave him to it, we are both happy with the outcome, he
never leaves a mess, never leaves anything at all actually.

David

[jonno]

jonno wrote:
> Tom N wrote:
>> jonno wrote:
>>
>>> Tom N wrote:
>>>> 0tterbot wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> i haven't seen much bee activity for quite a while & i
>>>>> wonder what is going on there. we've had bees out the wazoo all year
>>>>> round since we came, but not lately.
>>>> I haven't been seeing many bees lately either (Melbourne). Half of
>>>> those I see are blue-banded bees (native) rather than introduced bees
>>>> (which is what we normally see). Blue-banded bees have been rare in
>>>> the past. Many of the introduced bees I see are crawling on the
>>>> ground like they are dying.
>>>>
>>>> Our tomatoes have been shite (2 types of cherry and 1 roma). Fungal
>>>> problems early on, lots of flowers, not many leaves, hardly any
>>>> fruit. Tank water so no problem there.
>>>>
>>>> We had plenty of nectarines so the bees must have been active in
>>>> spring.
>>> Same here. Blue banded bees, are seen but the lavender, which usually
>>> attracts all bees are only visited by blue banded bees (never noticed
>>> b4) and are unfortunately seasonal types. The introduced species are
>>> missing completely in the northern suburbs of Melbourne for sure, or
>>> at least diminished. I wondered why I couldnt see the little beggars
>>> earlier this year, thinking I may have killed them using dusting
>>> powder....
>>> Wonder what might be going on...
>>
>> I saw a couple of healthy European honey bees today. Still way
>> outnumbered by blue banded bees (and European wasps for that matter).
>>
>> Perhaps the extreme heat and lack of rain in Melbourne has been to
>> blame. If that is the reason, then it must be perfect weather for
>> blue banded bees.
>>
>> I saw a story in the local paper about a house dripping honey after a
>> bees nest in the ceiling melted in the heat.

Get this
"The damage was not covered by insurance because it was caused by an
insect rather than an animal."
Arent bees an animal? Of course they are.
Open to further comment...

Bet ya it was Commonwealth insurance!
Good people to do business with, until you make a claim.
Found the story here... http://tinyurl.com/cma7q5

[tony@altavista.com]

On 09 Mar 2009 07:08:10 GMT, terryc >
wrote:

>On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 17:43:14 +1100, FarmI wrote:
>
>
>> Dunno about that. I suspect farmed rabbits are the way to go.
>
>Frankly, they are tasteless, require individual cages and then you have
>to buy(expensive) or hand collect their feed.
>
>If they ran like a flock of chooks, it would be easier, but you would
>still need fences down 4' and over 6' high. The problem with a group of
>rabbits is they take to fighting as they mature, both sexes, which ruins
>the skins.

Do you eat their Skins ??

By the way, I used to have a mate whose family did exactly that....
ie.Farmed chickens.... Not so unusual.

Was done in big sheds just like chickens.

[tony@altavista.com]

On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:54:33 GMT, jonno > wrote:

BIG SNIP />>

>> I saw a story in the local paper about a house dripping honey after a bees
>> nest in the ceiling melted in the heat.
>
>Get this
>"The damage was not covered by insurance because it was caused by an
>insect rather than an animal."
>Arent bees an animal? Of course they are.
>Open to further comment...
>
>Bet ya it was Commonwealth insurance!
>Good people to do business with, until you make a claim.
>Found the story here...> http://preview.tinyurl.com/cma7q5

Why differentiate, those insurance mobs are all the same.

The insurance company probably just applied the 60% rule.

If the people keep fighting them, they will possibly win in the end.

Mind you, it takes an iron will to get them to pay when they should.

[jonno]

wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:54:33 GMT, jonno > wrote:
>
> BIG SNIP />>
>
>>> I saw a story in the local paper about a house dripping honey after a bees
>>> nest in the ceiling melted in the heat.
>> Get this
>> "The damage was not covered by insurance because it was caused by an
>> insect rather than an animal."
>> Arent bees an animal? Of course they are.
>> Open to further comment...
>>
>> Bet ya it was Commonwealth insurance!
>> Good people to do business with, until you make a claim.
>> Found the story here...> http://preview.tinyurl.com/cma7q5
>
> Why differentiate, those insurance mobs are all the same.
>
> The insurance company probably just applied the 60% rule.
>
> If the people keep fighting them, they will possibly win in the end.
>
> Mind you, it takes an iron will to get them to pay when they should.
>
>
>
>
>
They wouldnt have stood a chance with me...
I reckon theyre ignorant...thinking the public is...

[Tom N]

jonno wrote:

> Tom N wrote:
>
>> I saw a story in the local paper about a house dripping honey after a
>> bees nest in the ceiling melted in the heat.
>
> Get this
> "The damage was not covered by insurance because it was caused by an
> insect rather than an animal."
> Arent bees an animal? Of course they are.
> Open to further comment...

I'm pretty sure insurance wouldn't cover termite damage, so I wouldn't
expect it to cover bees, wasps, borers etc.

[jonno]

Tom N wrote:
> jonno wrote:
>
>> Tom N wrote:
>>
>>> I saw a story in the local paper about a house dripping honey after a
>>> bees nest in the ceiling melted in the heat.
>> Get this
>> "The damage was not covered by insurance because it was caused by an
>> insect rather than an animal."
>> Arent bees an animal? Of course they are.
>> Open to further comment...
>
> I'm pretty sure insurance wouldn't cover termite damage, so I wouldn't
> expect it to cover bees, wasps, borers etc.
Youre probably correct, but it would seem to me the law would look at it
differently as the issue is "sudden" impact,which is weather, which was
weather related... So the bees weren't the immediate cause. A thin line
to draw on but tenable.

[SG1[_3_]]

"jonno" > wrote in message
...
> Tom N wrote:
>> jonno wrote:
>>
>>> Tom N wrote:
>>>
>>>> I saw a story in the local paper about a house dripping honey after a
>>>> bees nest in the ceiling melted in the heat.
>>> Get this
>>> "The damage was not covered by insurance because it was caused by an
>>> insect rather than an animal."
>>> Arent bees an animal? Of course they are.
>>> Open to further comment...
>>
>> I'm pretty sure insurance wouldn't cover termite damage, so I wouldn't
>> expect it to cover bees, wasps, borers etc.
> Youre probably correct, but it would seem to me the law would look at it
> differently as the issue is "sudden" impact,which is weather, which was
> weather related... So the bees weren't the immediate cause. A thin line to
> draw on but tenable.

Home invasion????

[jonno]

SG1 wrote:
> "jonno" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Tom N wrote:
>>> jonno wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tom N wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I saw a story in the local paper about a house dripping honey after a
>>>>> bees nest in the ceiling melted in the heat.
>>>> Get this
>>>> "The damage was not covered by insurance because it was caused by an
>>>> insect rather than an animal."
>>>> Arent bees an animal? Of course they are.
>>>> Open to further comment...
>>> I'm pretty sure insurance wouldn't cover termite damage, so I wouldn't
>>> expect it to cover bees, wasps, borers etc.
>> Youre probably correct, but it would seem to me the law would look at it
>> differently as the issue is "sudden" impact,which is weather, which was
>> weather related... So the bees weren't the immediate cause. A thin line to
>> draw on but tenable.
>
> Home invasion????
>
>
Good one. The attack of the honey drippers?

[terryc]

On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:43:52 +0900, tony wrote:


> Do you eat their Skins ??

AIUI the economics of rabbit farming also include selling their skins for
the hat trade. Last I heard, akubra wanted 100,000 skins a week for
making hats.

Fightng rabbits are loosing weight, not putting t n. their scars also get
infected and the rabbit dies.

If rabbits ever take up attacking humans, you would be wearing steel leg
guards.

[FarmI]

"David Hare-Scott" > wrote in message

> I don't have rabbits for long despite plenty in the district, good feed
> and unfenced vege garden. The kelpie rabbit remover is too good. He is
> quite willing to hand them over to me but many are not in a state to cook
> as they have been overly punctured. The non punctured ones are inclined
> to squeal but only until he starts to eat at the head. By that stage I
> just tell him he's a good boy and leave him to it, we are both happy with
> the outcome, he never leaves a mess, never leaves anything at all
> actually.

LOL

This post brought to mind my own JRs. They like to play tug of war with
bunnies. I usually head in the other direction and at speed.

[John Savage]

"FarmI" <ask@itshall be given> writes:
> wrote in message
>> On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 01:16:13 GMT, "0tterbot" > wrote:
>
> other than that we are having/have had
>>big problems with furry creatures & now the ****ing rabbits are back,
>>
>> Ahhhh Free meat for the pot..... Yummmm !
>
>Dunno about that. I suspect farmed rabbits are the way to go.

A Malcolm Douglas tv documentary last weekend had him visiting
an aboriginal community living a very basic hunter/gatherer
lifestyle in red desert country. This group are known as "the
lizard people" because of the heavy food reliance they have
traditionally made on the larger tree-climbing lizards.

However, of late there has been a new addition to their menu. Very
sweet and tasty, this delicacy has become their favoured meat and
these folk easily track its footprints in the soft red sand. They
have named this meat "pudee".

Finally someone has found a use for feral cats!!
--
John Savage (my news address is not valid for email)

[Anne Chambers[_2_]]

John Savage wrote:

>
> A Malcolm Douglas tv documentary last weekend had him visiting
> an aboriginal community living a very basic hunter/gatherer
> lifestyle in red desert country. This group are known as "the
> lizard people" because of the heavy food reliance they have
> traditionally made on the larger tree-climbing lizards.
>
> However, of late there has been a new addition to their menu. Very
> sweet and tasty, this delicacy has become their favoured meat and
> these folk easily track its footprints in the soft red sand. They
> have named this meat "pudee".
>
> Finally someone has found a use for feral cats!!
> --
> John Savage (my news address is not valid for email)

When we moved to the Territory 23 years ago, Aborigines in Barkly
communities were eating "puddy cats". The kids in my class said they
tasted better than kangaroo.
--
Anne Chambers
South Australia

anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com

[jonno]

Anne Chambers wrote:
> John Savage wrote:
>
>>
>> A Malcolm Douglas tv documentary last weekend had him visiting
>> an aboriginal community living a very basic hunter/gatherer
>> lifestyle in red desert country. This group are known as "the
>> lizard people" because of the heavy food reliance they have
>> traditionally made on the larger tree-climbing lizards.
>>
>> However, of late there has been a new addition to their menu. Very
>> sweet and tasty, this delicacy has become their favoured meat and
>> these folk easily track its footprints in the soft red sand. They
>> have named this meat "pudee".
>>
>> Finally someone has found a use for feral cats!!
>> --
>> John Savage (my news address is not valid for email)
>
> When we moved to the Territory 23 years ago, Aborigines in Barkly
> communities were eating "puddy cats". The kids in my class said they
> tasted better than kangaroo.
A stimulus package for aborigines?

[FarmI]

"John Savage" > wrote in message

> A Malcolm Douglas tv documentary last weekend had him visiting
> an aboriginal community living a very basic hunter/gatherer
> lifestyle in red desert country. This group are known as "the
> lizard people" because of the heavy food reliance they have
> traditionally made on the larger tree-climbing lizards.
>
> However, of late there has been a new addition to their menu. Very
> sweet and tasty, this delicacy has become their favoured meat and
> these folk easily track its footprints in the soft red sand. They
> have named this meat "pudee".
>
> Finally someone has found a use for feral cats!!

When I was young, there was a Chinese restaurant in Canberra which had been
there for decades.

It was extremely popular way back then as it was one of the few places then
where a decent feed could be obtained for a moderate price and late into the
night.

It was done for Health offences when cat's heads were found in large
quantities in the bins used by the restaurant. The restaurant continued to
be just as popular after they were done for the cat's heads as it had been
before. I strongly suspect I too might have eaten cat.

[Anne Chambers[_2_]]

jonno wrote:
> Anne Chambers wrote:
>> John Savage wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> A Malcolm Douglas tv documentary last weekend had him visiting
>>> an aboriginal community living a very basic hunter/gatherer
>>> lifestyle in red desert country. This group are known as "the
>>> lizard people" because of the heavy food reliance they have
>>> traditionally made on the larger tree-climbing lizards.
>>>
>>> However, of late there has been a new addition to their menu. Very
>>> sweet and tasty, this delicacy has become their favoured meat and
>>> these folk easily track its footprints in the soft red sand. They
>>> have named this meat "pudee".
>>>
>>> Finally someone has found a use for feral cats!!
>>> --
>>> John Savage (my news address is not valid for email)
>>
>> When we moved to the Territory 23 years ago, Aborigines in Barkly
>> communities were eating "puddy cats". The kids in my class said they
>> tasted better than kangaroo.
> A stimulus package for aborigines?

:)

I was a bit concerned about my domestic cats, but the kids assured me
they didn't taste nearly as nice as feral ones !

--
Anne Chambers
South Australia

anne dot chambers at bigpond dot com

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"FarmI" <ask@itshall be given> wrote in message
...
> "John Savage" > wrote in message
>
>> A Malcolm Douglas tv documentary last weekend had him visiting
>> an aboriginal community living a very basic hunter/gatherer
>> lifestyle in red desert country. This group are known as "the
>> lizard people" because of the heavy food reliance they have
>> traditionally made on the larger tree-climbing lizards.
>>
>> However, of late there has been a new addition to their menu. Very
>> sweet and tasty, this delicacy has become their favoured meat and
>> these folk easily track its footprints in the soft red sand. They
>> have named this meat "pudee".
>>
>> Finally someone has found a use for feral cats!!
>
> When I was young, there was a Chinese restaurant in Canberra which had
> been there for decades.
>
> It was extremely popular way back then as it was one of the few places
> then where a decent feed could be obtained for a moderate price and late
> into the night.
>
> It was done for Health offences when cat's heads were found in large
> quantities in the bins used by the restaurant. The restaurant continued
> to be just as popular after they were done for the cat's heads as it had
> been before. I strongly suspect I too might have eaten cat.
>
Dim Sims. Have not been the same since?????

[terryc]

On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 03:49:30 +0000, John Savage wrote:


> Finally someone has found a use for feral cats!!

Old news by about a century. When the old fellow died from the last free
living aboriginal group and the remainders decided to approach
civilisation in the 80's, they had been living on feral cats for decades.

[0tterbot]

"FarmI" <ask@itshall be given> wrote in message
...

> Have you tried makign fake ones out of an old 2 Litre milk container? Cut
> them to shape of a CW in flight and put some black spots on them and then
> put them on satay skewers near brassicas. I'm quite convinced that they
> work to keep off the real CW flutterbys.

you'll never believe it but i haven't got round to that yet. :-/

also, the idea behind the cages was to keep out birds & mammals too. i have,
however, taken your "quite convinced" statement on board!!

> other than that we are having/have had
>> big problems with furry creatures & now the ****ing rabbits are back,
>
> No nearby Jack Russell to lend a hand? We've noticed the numbers of buns
> had started building up here too but the 2 JRs are going off and spending
> half an hour out of sight doing something. I suspect it might be a bit of
> rabbit destruction as we se the odd bits of fur around and less signs of
> live buns.

my dog has killed rabbits in the past, but frankly he's getting more & more
dim in his middle age & prefers lolling in the sun, dammit.

> I guess I also couldn't be described as a fnatic about the stakign and
> tieing up, but I don't mind the other care of them. Himself liked to do
> the bondage thing to the toms.

after there are some veggie cages happening & all the other stuff i'm meant
to be doing, it might be worthwhile to make some mobile growing-up frames
for things like this, as i'm just not getting good pea crops along the
ground & i DO love peas! snow peas grow very well at my place, but the dwarf
ones along the ground just aren't cutting it imo.

>> in this same way, the very idea of growing fruit trees bores me to sobs.
>> if they go well on their own, that's great. otherwise, i just don't give
>> a shit, it's too much trouble. i thought i was interested in fruit like
>> i'm interested in veg, but apparently i was wrong.
>
> Hmm. Interesting. In what way don't you like it? I get the same sort of
> thrill from watching my trees as I do the veg. I like to see them respond
> after pruning and when given food and water etc.

well, i don't really know, but there it is!! i'm just not that into them.
also, i'm not big on most kinds of fruit - i think that is the underlying
problem for me - i just don't care that much :-)) i really like berries
though, so can imagine taking the trouble. (also, significantly, berry
plants are _smaller_ than trees.) if i lived in the tropics i'd definitely
have bananas, cos i love those (and again, they're smaller).

> Didn't notice any swearing. I just noticed technical descriptions
> commonly used by gardeners.

ahem, that's right :-)

speaking of snakes, we had to kill a brown snake the other day - it had set
up shop just outside the yard, & i could foresee a snakebite waiting to
happen - it kept coming in for water presumably. it's really a shame as i
have no problem with snakes, but under the circumstances it was clear one of
us would end up in hospital at some stage if we didn't get rid of it. and it
seemed wildly absurd to get one of the wildlife people to try to relocate
it.
kylie

[FarmI]

"0tterbot" > wrote in message
> "FarmI" <ask@itshall be given> wrote in message

>> Have you tried makign fake ones out of an old 2 Litre milk container?
>> Cut them to shape of a CW in flight and put some black spots on them and
>> then put them on satay skewers near brassicas. I'm quite convinced that
>> they work to keep off the real CW flutterbys.
>
> you'll never believe it but i haven't got round to that yet. :-/

Well we'll be into deep frosts at any moment and they'll not be a major
problem till next year, so no hurry.

> also, the idea behind the cages was to keep out birds & mammals too. i
> have, however, taken your "quite convinced" statement on board!!

:-)) But you do know of course about the placebo effect?

I was impressed, but then I was prepared to be. And I quite enjoyed cutting
out and colouring in the little fake cabbage moths.

>> other than that we are having/have had
>>> big problems with furry creatures & now the ****ing rabbits are back,
>>
>> No nearby Jack Russell to lend a hand?

> my dog has killed rabbits in the past, but frankly he's getting more &
> more dim in his middle age & prefers lolling in the sun, dammit.

:-)) My small *******s don't like going out into the midday sun, but
fortunatley that isn't when the bunnies are around so they still catch some.
But now we're ahving a bun discussion, I havent' seen one now for a few
weeks so keep your fingers crossed.
>
>> I guess I also couldn't be described as a fnatic about the stakign and
>> tieing up, but I don't mind the other care of them. Himself liked to do
>> the bondage thing to the toms.
>
> after there are some veggie cages happening & all the other stuff i'm
> meant to be doing, it might be worthwhile to make some mobile growing-up
> frames for things like this, as i'm just not getting good pea crops along
> the ground & i DO love peas! snow peas grow very well at my place, but the
> dwarf ones along the ground just aren't cutting it imo.

My peas weren't very good this year either. Have decided to try some snow
peas but it's prolly getting a wee bit late for them here. But I won't know
till I give it a go - jhave cleared a spot for them.

>>> in this same way, the very idea of growing fruit trees bores me to sobs.
>>> if they go well on their own, that's great. otherwise, i just don't give
>>> a shit, it's too much trouble. i thought i was interested in fruit like
>>> i'm interested in veg, but apparently i was wrong.
>>
>> Hmm. Interesting. In what way don't you like it? I get the same sort
>> of thrill from watching my trees as I do the veg. I like to see them
>> respond after pruning and when given food and water etc.
>
> well, i don't really know, but there it is!! i'm just not that into them.
> also, i'm not big on most kinds of fruit - i think that is the underlying
> problem for me - i just don't care that much :-)) i really like berries
> though, so can imagine taking the trouble. (also, significantly, berry
> plants are _smaller_ than trees.) if i lived in the tropics i'd definitely
> have bananas, cos i love those (and again, they're smaller).

I suppose I'm not really a huge fruit eater either but I still love growing
them. and I know wha tyou mean about berries - love all of them.
>
>> Didn't notice any swearing. I just noticed technical descriptions
>> commonly used by gardeners.
>
> ahem, that's right :-)
>
> speaking of snakes, we had to kill a brown snake the other day

Oh POOP! I thought there were only Red Bellied Blacks out there!


- it had set
> up shop just outside the yard, & i could foresee a snakebite waiting to
> happen - it kept coming in for water presumably. it's really a shame as i
> have no problem with snakes, but under the circumstances it was clear one
> of us would end up in hospital at some stage if we didn't get rid of it.
> and it seemed wildly absurd to get one of the wildlife people to try to
> relocate it.

And they won't come anyway unless you ring them on the mobile phone whilst
watching the snake and trailing after it. They insist on you being able to
show them exactly where it is the instant they arrive. They wont' tolerate
a vague "it went over there..." type comment.

Himself mowed up a huge one not so long ago - didn't even see it but I
assume it might have had a go at the mower given the location of the cut up
body. I can tolerate the Tiger Snakes but I really do not like Browns - too
edgy for my liking. Mind you, given how much the bloody dogs have cost in
treatment, I could have bought myself a .410 at least 4 times over by now.
Must put in my application to add one to my collection - I'm sick of saying
I'm going to get one.

[0tterbot]

"FarmI" <ask@itshall be given> wrote in message
...
>> speaking of snakes, we had to kill a brown snake the other day
>
> Oh POOP! I thought there were only Red Bellied Blacks out there!

well, there are definitely both. :-) there may not be any tigers, but then
again i've never seen one of those anyway so i have no idea!!! the majority
that i have physically seen with my own eyes (not many) are brown.

>> and it seemed wildly absurd to get one of the wildlife people to try to
>> relocate it.
>
> And they won't come anyway unless you ring them on the mobile phone whilst
> watching the snake and trailing after it. They insist on you being able
> to show them exactly where it is the instant they arrive. They wont'
> tolerate a vague "it went over there..." type comment.

well, i don't blame them there.

i felt fairly stupid indeed calling them to get a trapped injured black
snake, but for a brown snake there was just no chance at all :-)

> Himself mowed up a huge one not so long ago - didn't even see it but I
> assume it might have had a go at the mower given the location of the cut
> up body. I can tolerate the Tiger Snakes but I really do not like
> Browns - too edgy for my liking. Mind you, given how much the bloody dogs
> have cost in treatment, I could have bought myself a .410 at least 4 times
> over by now. Must put in my application to add one to my collection - I'm
> sick of saying I'm going to get one.

er, to shoot the dog with the next time it gets bitten...? ;-D
kylie