Re: Blueberries in a pot

[zhanataya]

On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:15:38 GMT, animaux >
wrote:

>Blueberries don't have a great root system and would greatly improve if you can
>also use a little mychorriza fungi to the plants roots. When I potted mine I
>used half peat moss, 1/4 leaf mold, and 1/4 compost. They like a pH of about
>4.5 to 5.0. Hard to achieve.
>
>V

Leaf mold I don't have. But I have friends in Myrtle Groove I can
probably get hold of some. What about some sulfer? Would you add
some to the mix?

Zhan

[animaux]

On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 13:55:45 GMT, zhanataya > wrote:

>On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:15:38 GMT, animaux >
>wrote:
>
>>Blueberries don't have a great root system and would greatly improve if you can
>>also use a little mychorriza fungi to the plants roots. When I potted mine I
>>used half peat moss, 1/4 leaf mold, and 1/4 compost. They like a pH of about
>>4.5 to 5.0. Hard to achieve.
>>
>>V
>
>Leaf mold I don't have. But I have friends in Myrtle Groove I can
>probably get hold of some. What about some sulfer? Would you add
>some to the mix?
>
>Zhan

Yes, you can add sulfur, but it will take a while for it to bring the pH down.
That's why the mychorriza helps the plant uptake fertilizer even in higher pH
conditions till the soil mellows. If you can get the soil prepared and into the
pot a while before you plant the plant, it will be better.

v

[zhanataya]

On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 22:19:29 -0600, "B & J" >
wrote:

>"zhanataya" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> I have a pot about 15 gallon size and am planning on putting a seven
>> gallon blueberry plant in it. Is this an ok size for it? Does anyone
>> have any recommendations for soil mix? I know they need acid soil
>> but am not sure how to achieve the proper mix.
>>
>> TIA, Zhan
>
>I don't know whether you know it or not, but most blueberries need another
>cultivar for cross pollination. I hope you have another 15 gallon pot for a
>second plant.
>
>BTW, I'm not doing so well with the five I've planted in a special bed. Two
>are doing well, but the other three have been sitting without growing or
>producing berries. They are watered with a drip system, and I used a lot of
>peat moss on the bed last fall and hope that makes a difference.
>
>As a point of interest, I have a shaded area in the southwest corner of my
>yard where I have azaleas. Some native blueberries have make a home next to
>one of the azaleas and are doing well with the same care the azaleas
>receive. Their berries are small, but the taste is great.
>
>John
>


Oh Oh I'm in trouble. Got plenty of pots, but when I bought the plant
the tag was missing. You wrote another cultivar. I take it that means
a different cultivar than I have. Hopefully the nursery will take it
back, especially since I'll be replacing it with two more. How shady
is shaded? I thought you could grow these things in full sun. Can
you tell I'm a fruit and vegetable-challenged gardener?

zhan

[Tom Jaszewski]

>>
>>Leaf mold I don't have. But I have friends in Myrtle Groove I can
>>probably get hold of some. What about some sulfer? Would you add
>>some to the mix?
>>
>>Zhan
>
>Yes, you can add sulfur, but it will take a while for it to bring the pH down.
>That's why the mychorriza helps the plant uptake fertilizer even in higher pH
>conditions till the soil mellows. If you can get the soil prepared and into the
>pot a while before you plant the plant, it will be better.
>
>v

mycorrhizae



http://www.mycorrhizae.com/



Regards,

tomj

"Non-violence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of all evolution.
Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages."

- Thomas Edison

[zhanataya]

>>
>>Leaf mold I don't have. But I have friends in Myrtle Groove I can
>>probably get hold of some. What about some sulfer? Would you add
>>some to the mix?
>>
>>Zhan
>
>Yes, you can add sulfur, but it will take a while for it to bring the pH down.
>That's why the mychorriza helps the plant uptake fertilizer even in higher pH
>conditions till the soil mellows. If you can get the soil prepared and into the
>pot a while before you plant the plant, it will be better.
>
>v

Way back when I ordered some from a nice man (Don Chapman?) who used
to participate here, I don't have it now though. My gardening book
(1929) says ......"they rely for their food upon microscopic
organisms attached to their roots, which appear to function only when
certain conditions are approximated. These are soil acidity and
proper aeration." Is the mychorriza the microorganisms my book is
referring to? Where can I purchase it now?

zhan

[animaux]

On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:18:26 GMT, Tom Jaszewski >
wrote:

>v
>
>mycorrhizae
>
>
>
>http://www.mycorrhizae.com/

Quick to correct, but slow on the thanks for anything I give to you in your
requests. Did you find your lemon grass?

[animaux]

On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:32:59 GMT, zhanataya > wrote:


>Way back when I ordered some from a nice man (Don Chapman?) who used
>to participate here, I don't have it now though. My gardening book
>(1929) says ......"they rely for their food upon microscopic
>organisms attached to their roots, which appear to function only when
>certain conditions are approximated. These are soil acidity and
>proper aeration." Is the mychorriza the microorganisms my book is
>referring to? Where can I purchase it now?
>
>zhan

I believe Don is still around, his website is:

http://www.bio-organics.com/

However, now you can buy it in just about any good garden center. Make sure it
is VAM mycorrhiza (spelled correctly without the e, and correct both ways).

VAM is a combination of fungi. And yes, that is what they were talking about in
1929, before they knew much about soil.

[madgard]

I don't know why I didn't think of that. Any Lowes or Home Depraived will
have Azaela food which should be just fine for blueberries. ...........leave
it to Brudder John to clarify things better...<g> yes, you're challanged
but at least you're willing to learn! they can take partial shade, as the
wild ones up in the woods near the mountains attest. About six hours is
considered good enough, but yes, they do prefer direct sun if given a
choice. There is an 800 number in the Miller catalog if I can find the
catalog you can call to inquire about a cross pollinator...........(I have
been throwing out the excess catalogs trying to lighten the load in case we
lose our house and have to move to Michigan, nothing's in stone or
determined yet, and lightening my load has been harder than I thought it
would be:( I was going to call you but with our current phone bill
exceeding the C note Squire makes a week at the school, I can't afford to
even ring you up. I am dependent on the computer for communication, for
now, until BellSouth pulls the plug on me after 32 years service~~
tightening up the belt is an understatement at the moment.<G>

I will holler if I find that catalog with the 800 number

maddie looking at 5 inches of snow, temperatures in a balmy 15 with wind
chills way below -12 (gusts of 18 mph) and still no frelling hellebore
blossoms! I bundled up, layered and even found the boots MIL bought me at
Meijer's one year and hunted for the dang things to cheer me
up..................all I found was allum leaves, Hellebore leaves, red
twigs on the dogwoods, (do I prune them this spring to make them grow more
branches?)and VINCA MAJOR LEAVES....ACRES AND ACRES OF VINCA LEAVES,
ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH <GBSEG> LOL
"zhanataya" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 22:19:29 -0600, "B & J" >
> wrote:
>
> >"zhanataya" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>
> >> I have a pot about 15 gallon size and am planning on putting a seven
> >> gallon blueberry plant in it. Is this an ok size for it? Does anyone
> >> have any recommendations for soil mix? I know they need acid soil
> >> but am not sure how to achieve the proper mix.
> >>
> >> TIA, Zhan
> >
> >I don't know whether you know it or not, but most blueberries need
another
> >cultivar for cross pollination. I hope you have another 15 gallon pot for
a
> >second plant.
> >
> >BTW, I'm not doing so well with the five I've planted in a special bed.
Two
> >are doing well, but the other three have been sitting without growing or
> >producing berries. They are watered with a drip system, and I used a lot
of
> >peat moss on the bed last fall and hope that makes a difference.
> >
> >As a point of interest, I have a shaded area in the southwest corner of
my
> >yard where I have azaleas. Some native blueberries have make a home next
to
> >one of the azaleas and are doing well with the same care the azaleas
> >receive. Their berries are small, but the taste is great.
> >
> >John
> >
>
>
> Oh Oh I'm in trouble. Got plenty of pots, but when I bought the plant
> the tag was missing. You wrote another cultivar. I take it that means
> a different cultivar than I have. Hopefully the nursery will take it
> back, especially since I'll be replacing it with two more. How shady
> is shaded? I thought you could grow these things in full sun. Can
> you tell I'm a fruit and vegetable-challenged gardener?
>
> zhan

[zhanataya]

On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:18:26 GMT, Tom Jaszewski
> wrote:

>mycorrhizae

Tom if it is close enough to be corrected it is close enough to get
the information communicated. Who made Webster the be all to end all
anyway. ;-)

zhan

[zhanataya]

On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:21:21 GMT, animaux >
wrote:

>
>I believe Don is still around, his website is:
>
>http://www.bio-organics.com/
>
>However, now you can buy it in just about any good garden center. Make sure it
>is VAM mycorrhiza (spelled correctly without the e, and correct both ways).
>
>VAM is a combination of fungi. And yes, that is what they were talking about in
>1929, before they knew much about soil.

thanks V, I''ll get some. I'll get the pots prepared now and hold off
on putting the plants in until later in the spring.

zhan

[zhanataya]

I've been rounding up information on apples and cross pollinators for
my brother. One of the things you must consider in pollinating apples
is the season of bloom. Wouldn't do much good to buy an early bloomer
and a late bloomer aand expect much cross pollination. Is this going
to be a concern for blueberries?

zhan

[zhanataya]

I've been rounding up information on apples and cross pollinators for
my brother. One of the things you must consider in pollinating apples
is the season of bloom. Wouldn't do much good to buy an early bloomer
and a late bloomer aand expect much cross pollination. Is this going
to be a concern for blueberries?

zhan

[Pen]

Mine is doing well with lots of sun. The best pollinators seem to be
bumblebees. To plant blue berries in my alkaline clay soil, I dug a
4' diametre hole about 2' deep and filled with peat moss. Don't plant
it in peat right away. Peat takes time to thoroughly moisten and will
settle over time. I've also top dressed with worm compost and
Starbuck's used coffee (ask any Starbucks if they'll give you their
garbage).

> Oh Oh I'm in trouble. Got plenty of pots, but when I bought the plant
> the tag was missing. You wrote another cultivar. I take it that means
> a different cultivar than I have. Hopefully the nursery will take it
> back, especially since I'll be replacing it with two more. How shady
> is shaded? I thought you could grow these things in full sun. Can
> you tell I'm a fruit and vegetable-challenged gardener?
>
> zhan

[madgard]

think bees, Zhan.............
"zhanataya" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> I've been rounding up information on apples and cross pollinators for
> my brother. One of the things you must consider in pollinating apples
> is the season of bloom. Wouldn't do much good to buy an early bloomer
> and a late bloomer aand expect much cross pollination. Is this going
> to be a concern for blueberries?
>
> zhan
>

[zhanataya]

On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:13:21 -0500, "madgard" >
wrote:

>think bees, Zhan.............

I understand that. but still you need the cultivars to be in bloom at
the same time to do any cross pollination.

[zhanataya]

On 23 Jan 2003 14:01:18 -0800, (Pen) wrote:

>Mine is doing well with lots of sun. The best pollinators seem to be
>bumblebees. To plant blue berries in my alkaline clay soil, I dug a
>4' diametre hole about 2' deep and filled with peat moss. Don't plant
>it in peat right away. Peat takes time to thoroughly moisten and will
>settle over time. I've also top dressed with worm compost and
>Starbuck's used coffee (ask any Starbucks if they'll give you their
>garbage).

I got plenty of bees and bumblers. There's a new Starbucks in town
now, and doing a land office business. I'd forgotten about coffee
grounds. I know they do a lot for tilth, can't remember the concensus
on acidity tho. Will coffee grounds help in that aspect?

[madgard]

trying to look it up for you now.................<g>
"zhanataya" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:13:21 -0500, "madgard" >
> wrote:
>
> >think bees, Zhan.............
>
> I understand that. but still you need the cultivars to be in bloom at
> the same time to do any cross pollination.
>
>

[Tom Jaszewski]

On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:18:27 GMT, animaux >
wrote:

>Quick to correct, but slow on the thanks for anything I give to you in your
>requests. Did you find your lemon grass?


Good land woman, remember the post, "I hate you...but I'll send you
the tape"? Why the F would I bother to be thankful. BTW it wasn't
quick to correct it was intended to direct those interested to a
reliable source of information!

And no I haven't found a source for root divisions.







Regards,

tomj

"Non-violence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of all evolution.
Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages."

- Thomas Edison

[animaux]

On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:14:12 GMT, zhanataya > wrote:

>
>
>I've been rounding up information on apples and cross pollinators for
>my brother. One of the things you must consider in pollinating apples
>is the season of bloom. Wouldn't do much good to buy an early bloomer
>and a late bloomer aand expect much cross pollination. Is this going
>to be a concern for blueberries?
>
>zhan

Usually the quality garden center/nurseries will tell you which varieties will
bloom at the same time and in your climate. I have a peach tree 'Dixieland' and
two apple trees, 'Mollies Delicious' and 'Granny Smith.' Those bloom at the
same time and will cross pollinate. I'm not sure about blueberry varieties, but
if you need two, they both should be in bloom together.

V

[animaux]

On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 01:37:55 GMT, Tom Jaszewski >
wrote:


>Good land woman, remember the post, "I hate you...but I'll send you
>the tape"? Why the F would I bother to be thankful. BTW it wasn't
>quick to correct it was intended to direct those interested to a
>reliable source of information!
>
>And no I haven't found a source for root divisions.

Ah, the "I hate you" part was a joke! Geesh, you have no sense of humor.

I still have the tape. I TAPED IT FOR YOU, with YOU in mind. Don't you know
when I'm goofing? I thought a truce was met?????

Want the tape,

v

[Tom Jaszewski]

On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:05:57 GMT, zhanataya >
wrote:

>On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:18:26 GMT, Tom Jaszewski
> wrote:
>
>>mycorrhizae
>
>Tom if it is close enough to be corrected it is close enough to get
>the information communicated. Who made Webster the be all to end all
>anyway. ;-)
>
>zhan


Not close enough to efficiently get the information.!
Silliness aside, I have a supply of all the available species. Email
me and I'll happily send enough to inoculate a pot
or two. I have a large order coming next week of seven species.



Regards,

tomj

"Non-violence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of all evolution.
Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages."

- Thomas Edison

[zhanataya]

On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 01:50:50 GMT, Tom Jaszewski
> wrote:

>On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:05:57 GMT, zhanataya >
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:18:26 GMT, Tom Jaszewski
> wrote:
>>
>>>mycorrhizae
>>
>>Tom if it is close enough to be corrected it is close enough to get
>>the information communicated. Who made Webster the be all to end all
>>anyway. ;-)
>>
>>zhan
>
>
>Not close enough to efficiently get the information.!
>Silliness aside, I have a supply of all the available species. Email
>me and I'll happily send enough to inoculate a pot
>or two. I have a large order coming next week of seven species.
>
>
>
>Regards,
>
>tomj

Thanks tom, I appreciate you generosity. E-mail on the way.

B/R zhan

[Pat Brothers]

Xref: news7 rec.gardens:206599

Blueberries have early, mid and late blooming varieties. A good garden
center will have them labeled. There are self polinating varieties if
you don't have room for two, but even those have better fruit set with a
polinator. Look up Finch Nursery in North Carolina. They specialize in
blueberries and bluebird houses. Nice folks. Their grower told me there
is enough overlap between all the varieties you don't have to worry too
much. An early and mid season bloomer, for instance, would extend your
season.

animaux wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:14:12 GMT, zhanataya > wrote:
>
>
>>
>>I've been rounding up information on apples and cross pollinators for
>>my brother. One of the things you must consider in pollinating apples
>>is the season of bloom. Wouldn't do much good to buy an early bloomer
>>and a late bloomer aand expect much cross pollination. Is this going
>>to be a concern for blueberries?
>>
>>zhan
>>
>
> Usually the quality garden center/nurseries will tell you which varieties will
> bloom at the same time and in your climate. I have a peach tree 'Dixieland' and
> two apple trees, 'Mollies Delicious' and 'Granny Smith.' Those bloom at the
> same time and will cross pollinate. I'm not sure about blueberry varieties, but
> if you need two, they both should be in bloom together.
>
> V
>
Pat Brothers

The Powell House

Wake Forest, NC
USDA 7b

[Tom Jaszewski]

On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:09:01 GMT, zhanataya >
wrote:

>On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 17:21:21 GMT, animaux >
>wrote:
>
>>
>>I believe Don is still around, his website is:
>>
>>http://www.bio-organics.com/
>>
>>However, now you can buy it in just about any good garden center. Make sure it
>>is VAM mycorrhiza (spelled correctly without the e, and correct both ways).
>>
>>VAM is a combination of fungi. And yes, that is what they were talking about in
>>1929, before they knew much about soil.
>
>thanks V, I''ll get some. I'll get the pots prepared now and hold off
>on putting the plants in until later in the spring.
>
>zhan


I got a reply from my supplier today on species for strawberries....


"blueberries form specialized ericoid mycorrhizae. no one has figured
out
how to grow them and I have tried several times.

dr mike"

www.mycorrhizae.com







Regards,

tomj

"i thank You God for most this amazing
day:for the leaping greenly spirits of trees
and a blue true dream of sky;and for everything
wich is natural which is infinite which is yes

(i who have died am alive again today,
and this is the sun's birthday;this is the birth
day of life and love and wings:and of the gay
great happening illimitably earth)

how should tasting touching hearing seeing
breathing any-lifted from the no
of all nothing-human merely being
doubt unimaginably You?

(now the ears of my ears awake and
now the eyes of my eyes are opened)"

ee cummings

[Iris Cohen]

<< . As for not subscribing to this newsgroup, there's not a hell of a lot of
reasons for some of us to "keep up their membership" from October thru April.
You know, the ones in Zone 5 and lower >>

Don't you have any houseplants? Just skiing?

Iris,
Central NY, Zone 5a, Sunset Zone 40
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much
that ain't so."
Josh Billings (Henry Wheeler Shaw), 1818-1885

[TOM KAN PA]

<< Subject: Re: OT
From: (Iris Cohen) >>
<< Don't you have any houseplants? Just skiing? >>
____Reply Separator_____
Oh yeah, a couple window seals full. They do take up about 15 minutes a week
for watering them.
Skiing? Didn't prepare for it this year. Do I still have time to get in the
mood by following this list of handy exercises.

16. Visit your local butcher and pay $30 to sit in the walk-in freezer for a
half an hour. Afterwards, burn two $50 dollar bills to warm up.

15. Soak your gloves and store them in the freezer after every use.

14. Fasten a small, wide rubber band around the top half of your head before
you go to bed each night.

13. If you wear glasses, begin wearing them with glue smeared on the lenses.

12. Throw away a hundred dollar bill- now!!

11. Find the nearest ice rink and walk across the ice 20 times in your ski
boots carrying two pairs of skis, accessory bag and poles. Pretend you are
looking for your car. Sporadically drop things.

10. Place a small but angular pebble in your shoes, line them with crushed ice,
and then tighten a C-clamp around your toes.

9. Buy a new pair of gloves and immediately throw one away.

8. Secure one of your ankles to a bed post and ask a friend to run into you at
high speed.

7. Go to McDonald's and insist on paying $8.50 for a hamburger. Be sure
you are in the longest line.

6. Clip a lift ticket to the zipper of your jacket and ride a motorcycle
fast enough to make the ticket lacerate your face.

5. Drive slowly for five hours, anywhere, as long as it's in a snowstorm
and you're following an 18 wheeler.

4. Fill a blender with ice, hit the pulse button and let the spray blast your
face. Leave the ice on your face until it melts. Let it drip into your clothes.

3. Dress up in as many clothes as you can and then proceed to take them off
because you have to go to the bathroom.

2. Slam your thumb in a car door. Don't go see a doctor.

1. Repeat all of the above every Saturday and Sunday until it's time for the
real thing!

[zhanataya]

On 29 Jan 2003 13:27:13 GMT, (TOM KAN PA) wrote:

><< Subject: Re: OT
>From: (Iris Cohen) >>
><< Don't you have any houseplants? Just skiing? >>
>____Reply Separator_____
>Oh yeah, a couple window seals full. They do take up about 15 minutes a week
>for watering them.
>Skiing? Didn't prepare for it this year. Do I still have time to get in the
>mood by following this list of handy exercises.
>
>16. Visit your local butcher and pay $30 to sit in the walk-in freezer for a
>half an hour. Afterwards, burn two $50 dollar bills to warm up.
>
>15. Soak your gloves and store them in the freezer after every use.
>
>14. Fasten a small, wide rubber band around the top half of your head before
>you go to bed each night.
>
>13. If you wear glasses, begin wearing them with glue smeared on the lenses.
>
>12. Throw away a hundred dollar bill- now!!
>
>11. Find the nearest ice rink and walk across the ice 20 times in your ski
>boots carrying two pairs of skis, accessory bag and poles. Pretend you are
>looking for your car. Sporadically drop things.
>
>10. Place a small but angular pebble in your shoes, line them with crushed ice,
>and then tighten a C-clamp around your toes.
>
>9. Buy a new pair of gloves and immediately throw one away.
>
>8. Secure one of your ankles to a bed post and ask a friend to run into you at
>high speed.
>
>7. Go to McDonald's and insist on paying $8.50 for a hamburger. Be sure
>you are in the longest line.
>
>6. Clip a lift ticket to the zipper of your jacket and ride a motorcycle
>fast enough to make the ticket lacerate your face.
>
>5. Drive slowly for five hours, anywhere, as long as it's in a snowstorm
>and you're following an 18 wheeler.
>
>4. Fill a blender with ice, hit the pulse button and let the spray blast your
>face. Leave the ice on your face until it melts. Let it drip into your clothes.
>
>3. Dress up in as many clothes as you can and then proceed to take them off
>because you have to go to the bathroom.
>
>2. Slam your thumb in a car door. Don't go see a doctor.
>
>1. Repeat all of the above every Saturday and Sunday until it's time for the
>real thing!
>
>
>
>
>
Now I know why Bill has an evil grin each time he suggests teaching me
to ski.

[boardphreak]

On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 20:15:38 GMT, animaux
wrote:

Blueberries don't have a great root system and would greatly improve if you can
also use a little mychorriza fungi to the plants roots. When I potted mine I
used half peat moss, 1/4 leaf mold, and 1/4 compost. They like a pH of about
4.5 to 5.0. Hard to achieve.

V

Leaf mold I don't have. But I have friends in Myrtle Groove I can
probably get hold of some. What about some sulfer? Would you add
some to the mix?

Zhan

Hi Zhan!

I'd have to disagree with your use of mycorrhizal fungi with blueberries. Unfortunately, blueberries is the one of the very few plants that mycorrhizae has no effect on.
Drink coffee? mix your used coffee grounds into the mix (fresh coffee grounds is too acidic.)
as for mycorrhiza, the leaders i've found is reforest.com/extreme_gardening.php their website isn't great, (a little hard to navigate) but they have some good info. also, they don't sell smaller quantities directly from the site (which is stupid) but email or call them if you need anything, and they'll help you out, on just info alone.
also, planting multiple species of blueberries will increase yield.

Alan