Where to find day laborers in Austin?

[Michael Horn]

I need some dirt hauled. Where is the best place in Austin, preferrably
South Austin to look for day labor (5-7.50 per hour)


Thanks

Mike

[Jon]

Across from the old airport on the southbound frontage road of I-35 51st
St. exit.
$8.00/hr.

Michael Horn wrote:

> I need some dirt hauled. Where is the best place in Austin, preferrably
> South Austin to look for day labor (5-7.50 per hour)
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike

[Mapanari]

"Michael Horn" > babbled and bored us in
:

> I need some dirt hauled. Where is the best place in Austin, preferrably
> South Austin to look for day labor (5-7.50 per hour)
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
>
>
>

I guess you haven't hung out in ausgen very much, eh?

Just ask Kirk Watson or Gus Garcia.

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absolutely certain way of brining this nation to ruin, of preventing
all possibility of it continuing to be a nation at all, would be to
permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities.--T Roosevelt
================================================== =================

[mabel@jump.net]

I believe that the formal name for the below described place is
First workers

BTW, it is the old greyhound station or near the old greyhound station.

Jon wrote:

> Across from the old airport on the southbound frontage road of I-35 51st
> St. exit.
> $8.00/hr.
>
> Michael Horn wrote:
>
> > I need some dirt hauled. Where is the best place in Austin, preferrably
> > South Austin to look for day labor (5-7.50 per hour)
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Mike

[animaux]

I've seen them on Cesar Chavez east of 35, but please man, pay them better than
slaves wages. These guys break their backs and have virtually nothing.


On Fri, 23 May 2003 17:39:19 GMT, "Michael Horn" > wrote:

>I need some dirt hauled. Where is the best place in Austin, preferrably
>South Austin to look for day labor (5-7.50 per hour)
>
>
>Thanks
>
>Mike
>

[Bull Jr.]

"Michael Horn" > wrote in message >...
> I need some dirt hauled. Where is the best place in Austin, preferrably
> South Austin to look for day labor (5-7.50 per hour)
>
>

There used to be a lot of those ILLEGAL aliens hanging out on 6th
street just off I-35. Not positive they're still there, but it's a
try.

> Thanks
>
> Mike

[JETman]

Yeah and you will be paying illegals as well. A federal offense I
believe even though our own police department is aiding and abetting
them as well...

JT




animaux wrote:
>
> I've seen them on Cesar Chavez east of 35, but please man, pay them better than
> slaves wages. These guys break their backs and have virtually nothing.
>
> On Fri, 23 May 2003 17:39:19 GMT, "Michael Horn" > wrote:
>
> >I need some dirt hauled. Where is the best place in Austin, preferrably
> >South Austin to look for day labor (5-7.50 per hour)
> >
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >Mike
> >

[Spike]

In article >,
says...
> Yeah and you will be paying illegals as well. A federal offense I
> believe even though our own police department is aiding and abetting
> them as well...
>
> JT

Don't know which is worse them or the Yankees coming here! ;)
Spike

[JETman]

Spike wrote:
>
> In article >,
> says...
> > Yeah and you will be paying illegals as well. A federal offense I
> > believe even though our own police department is aiding and abetting
> > them as well...
> >
> > JT
>
> Don't know which is worse them or the Yankees coming here! ;)
> Spike


Le yanquees eez dee 'nly hope that you have...



--
Regards,

JT (Residing in Austin, Texas)

Just Tooling Down The Internet Superhighway With my G4.......

[Bill]

"Spike" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> says...
> > Yeah and you will be paying illegals as well. A federal offense I
> > believe even though our own police department is aiding and abetting
> > them as well...
> >
> > JT
>
> Don't know which is worse them or the Yankees coming here! ;)
> Spike

Yes. Pretty soon the yankees will want to unionize them, and raise our
taxes for their pension plans and more! For illegals!

[Libralove]

in article , Bill at
ichibanhoncho @h o t . -mail dott com wrote on 5/24/03 1:39 AM:

>
> "Spike" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>> Yeah and you will be paying illegals as well. A federal offense I
>>> believe even though our own police department is aiding and abetting
>>> them as well...
>>>
>>> JT
>>
>> Don't know which is worse them or the Yankees coming here! ;)
>> Spike
>
> Yes. Pretty soon the yankees will want to unionize them, and raise our
> taxes for their pension plans and more! For illegals!
>
>
>

Well, some one has to construct those Roy Roy, Davenport Ranch, Seven Oaks
and Bellalago homes for you rich people.

How many legals do you know will put on a roof at high noon in mid-July here
for $7.50 an hour? ;)

[animaux]

On Sat, 24 May 2003 07:07:55 -0500, Libralove > wrote:


>Well, some one has to construct those Roy Roy, Davenport Ranch, Seven Oaks
>and Bellalago homes for you rich people.
>
>How many legals do you know will put on a roof at high noon in mid-July here
>for $7.50 an hour? ;)

As I can clearly see, people have absolutely no compassion and I'm slated as
that libral yanquee. Oh well. When we had our pool built, it was Mexican men
who broke their backs. I made sure they always had something ice cold to drink
and gave them all a nice sized tip at the end. They were shocked. I 'pose us
yanqueez tip too much.

[JETman]

Bill wrote:
>
> "Spike" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > says...
> > > Yeah and you will be paying illegals as well. A federal offense I
> > > believe even though our own police department is aiding and abetting
> > > them as well...
> > >
> > > JT
> >
> > Don't know which is worse them or the Yankees coming here! ;)
> > Spike
>
> Yes. Pretty soon the yankees will want to unionize them, and raise our
> taxes for their pension plans and more! For illegals!



I can assure you that THIS yankee might think of unionizing, but
certainly not for illegal immigrants.

What really ****es me off is that the TeeVee stations in all of their
political correctness don't even call them ILLEGAL. And the cops have a
policy of NOT questioning legal status of these workers... A revoltin'
situation if in my not so humble opinion...



--
Regards,

JT (Residing in Austin, Texas)

Just Tooling Down The Internet Superhighway With my G4.......

[JETman]

animaux wrote:
>
> On Sat, 24 May 2003 07:07:55 -0500, Libralove > wrote:
>
> >Well, some one has to construct those Roy Roy, Davenport Ranch, Seven Oaks
> >and Bellalago homes for you rich people.
> >
> >How many legals do you know will put on a roof at high noon in mid-July here
> >for $7.50 an hour? ;)
>
> As I can clearly see, people have absolutely no compassion and I'm slated as
> that libral yanquee. Oh well. When we had our pool built, it was Mexican men
> who broke their backs. I made sure they always had something ice cold to drink
> and gave them all a nice sized tip at the end. They were shocked. I 'pose us
> yanqueez tip too much.


And as such, you were aiding and abetting illegal activities.

Just wtf is INS doing these days???



--
Regards,

JT (Residing in Austin, Texas)

Just Tooling Down The Internet Superhighway With my G4.......

[WIF]

They are not all illegals, some are US citizens that have not had the luck
of having the intelligence to take advantage of all the great economic
opportunities that exist in our country. At least they are trying to labor
for a day's pay and not out stealing in our neighborhoods. At least IMHO
they are trying to get a piece of the american pie however small it may be,
not like others that just panhandle in corners with a sign.
Guillermo
"JETman" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Bill wrote:
> >
> > "Spike" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > In article >,
> > > says...
> > > > Yeah and you will be paying illegals as well. A federal offense I
> > > > believe even though our own police department is aiding and abetting
> > > > them as well...
> > > >
> > > > JT
> > >
> > > Don't know which is worse them or the Yankees coming here! ;)
> > > Spike
> >
> > Yes. Pretty soon the yankees will want to unionize them, and raise our
> > taxes for their pension plans and more! For illegals!
>
>
>
> I can assure you that THIS yankee might think of unionizing, but
> certainly not for illegal immigrants.
>
> What really ****es me off is that the TeeVee stations in all of their
> political correctness don't even call them ILLEGAL. And the cops have a
> policy of NOT questioning legal status of these workers... A revoltin'
> situation if in my not so humble opinion...
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> JT (Residing in Austin, Texas)
>
> Just Tooling Down The Internet Superhighway With my G4.......

[Libralove]

in article , JETman at
wrote on 5/24/03 8:32 AM:

>
>
> animaux wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 24 May 2003 07:07:55 -0500, Libralove >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, some one has to construct those Roy Roy, Davenport Ranch, Seven Oaks
>>> and Bellalago homes for you rich people.
>>>
>>> How many legals do you know will put on a roof at high noon in mid-July here
>>> for $7.50 an hour? ;)
>>
>> As I can clearly see, people have absolutely no compassion and I'm slated as
>> that libral yanquee. Oh well. When we had our pool built, it was Mexican
>> men
>> who broke their backs. I made sure they always had something ice cold to
>> drink
>> and gave them all a nice sized tip at the end. They were shocked. I 'pose
>> us
>> yanqueez tip too much.
>
>
> And as such, you were aiding and abetting illegal activities.
>
> Just wtf is INS doing these days???
>
>

The INS? They are trying to keep housing construction going full blast by
NOT stopping illegal laborers from coming here to build our houses. Housing
construction is about the only healthy part of the US economy right now.

If they stop them, US housing construction comes to a screeching halt. Do
you think the fat cats in Washington and the rich here who want a million
dollar home for $750,000. want them stopped at the border?

Only ignorant right wing middle-class people want them stopped.

Get real, dude.

[JETman]

Libralove wrote:
>
> in article , JETman at
> wrote on 5/24/03 8:32 AM:
>
> >
> >
> > animaux wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sat, 24 May 2003 07:07:55 -0500, Libralove >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Well, some one has to construct those Roy Roy, Davenport Ranch, Seven Oaks
> >>> and Bellalago homes for you rich people.
> >>>
> >>> How many legals do you know will put on a roof at high noon in mid-July here
> >>> for $7.50 an hour? ;)
> >>
> >> As I can clearly see, people have absolutely no compassion and I'm slated as
> >> that libral yanquee. Oh well. When we had our pool built, it was Mexican
> >> men
> >> who broke their backs. I made sure they always had something ice cold to
> >> drink
> >> and gave them all a nice sized tip at the end. They were shocked. I 'pose
> >> us
> >> yanqueez tip too much.
> >
> >
> > And as such, you were aiding and abetting illegal activities.
> >
> > Just wtf is INS doing these days???
> >
> >
>
> The INS? They are trying to keep housing construction going full blast by
> NOT stopping illegal laborers from coming here to build our houses. Housing
> construction is about the only healthy part of the US economy right now.
>
> If they stop them, US housing construction comes to a screeching halt. Do
> you think the fat cats in Washington and the rich here who want a million
> dollar home for $750,000. want them stopped at the border?
>
> Only ignorant right wing middle-class people want them stopped.
>
> Get real, dude.



And you are full of shit up to the tops of your ears.

Only in Texas and other border states is labor in the form of illegal
immigrants as rampant as here in Austin.

It is low interest rates that is driving the housing/refinance market,
not cheap labor. Cheap labor only serves the scummy contractors who
pocket the extra profit as houses are not that much cheaper here than in
other parts of the country where labor costs are much, much higher. Oh,
and while we are at it, those higher priced carpenters pay higher taxes,
have valid drivers licenses and insurance and actually contribute in
many more ways than does illegal labor.


--
Regards,

JT (Residing in Austin, Texas)

Just Tooling Down The Internet Superhighway With my G4.......

[JETman]

I would bet the farm that well over 90% of day laborers are illegals...

JT




WIF wrote:
>
> They are not all illegals, some are US citizens that have not had the luck
> of having the intelligence to take advantage of all the great economic
> opportunities that exist in our country. At least they are trying to labor
> for a day's pay and not out stealing in our neighborhoods. At least IMHO
> they are trying to get a piece of the american pie however small it may be,
> not like others that just panhandle in corners with a sign.
> Guillermo
> "JETman" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > Bill wrote:
> > >
> > > "Spike" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > In article >,
> > > > says...
> > > > > Yeah and you will be paying illegals as well. A federal offense I
> > > > > believe even though our own police department is aiding and abetting
> > > > > them as well...
> > > > >
> > > > > JT
> > > >
> > > > Don't know which is worse them or the Yankees coming here! ;)
> > > > Spike
> > >
> > > Yes. Pretty soon the yankees will want to unionize them, and raise our
> > > taxes for their pension plans and more! For illegals!
> >
> >
> >
> > I can assure you that THIS yankee might think of unionizing, but
> > certainly not for illegal immigrants.
> >
> > What really ****es me off is that the TeeVee stations in all of their
> > political correctness don't even call them ILLEGAL. And the cops have a
> > policy of NOT questioning legal status of these workers... A revoltin'
> > situation if in my not so humble opinion...
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > JT (Residing in Austin, Texas)
> >
> > Just Tooling Down The Internet Superhighway With my G4.......

--

[Libralove]

in article , JETman at
wrote on 5/24/03 12:54 PM:

> And you are full of shit up to the tops of your ears.
>
> Only in Texas and other border states is labor in the form of illegal
> immigrants as rampant as here in Austin.
>
> It is low interest rates that is driving the housing/refinance market,
> not cheap labor. Cheap labor only serves the scummy contractors who
> pocket the extra profit as houses are not that much cheaper here than in
> other parts of the country where labor costs are much, much higher. Oh,
> and while we are at it, those higher priced carpenters pay higher taxes,
> have valid drivers licenses and insurance and actually contribute in
> many more ways than does illegal labor.
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> JT (Residing in Austin, Texas)
>
> Just Tooling Down The Internet Superhighway With my G4.......
> and with a lot of road range....

They have them in NY State, in Connecticut, and all of the states. The
recent trucker horror where 18 were suffocated in a truck were driven by
New York State people and they were not necessarily headed for Texas, dude.

You need to leave Austin every now and again and find out what is happening
out in the real world, dude.

[Mapanari]

Libralove > babbled and bored us in
:

> in article , Bill at
> ichibanhoncho @h o t . -mail dott com wrote on 5/24/03 1:39 AM:
>
>>
>> "Spike" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> In article >,
>>> says...
>>>> Yeah and you will be paying illegals as well. A federal offense I
>>>> believe even though our own police department is aiding and abetting
>>>> them as well...
>>>>
>>>> JT
>>>
>>> Don't know which is worse them or the Yankees coming here! ;)
>>> Spike
>>
>> Yes. Pretty soon the yankees will want to unionize them, and raise our
>> taxes for their pension plans and more! For illegals!
>>
>>
>>
>
> Well, some one has to construct those Roy Roy, Davenport Ranch, Seven
> Oaks and Bellalago homes for you rich people.
>
> How many legals do you know will put on a roof at high noon in mid-July
> here for $7.50 an hour? ;)
>
>

You socialists really should study economics and capitalism and a truly free
market.
If there were no illegals, the labor costs would go up and if there wasn't
such an extensive social safety net for our own minorities where we actually
pay them not to work, then young black and american hispanic men would go
into the building trades, like they did 20 years ago and make a decent but
not specatacular living.

Simply put, more workers = less wages. Law of supply and demand.

See, it's a dirty business where developers, the filthy rich, politicians and
big business let in millions of illegal aliens and scab H1B and H2B nurses,
tech workers, maids etc to lower the wages and benefits of American workers
to make a bit more profit.

I don't mind paying and extra $1,000 for a house if it means we get rid of
all the illegal aliens and H1B visa scabs who undercut your wages and
benefits and are treated as indentured servants by Dell, Vignette and Cisco
and others.
IF you cut off section 8 housing allowances and welfare for more children and
all the supplimental social security that blacks and hispanics get for
finding a doctor for a fee who will certify them with ADD or ADS or whatever
the scam-de-jeour is and they then get hundreds of dollars tax free every
month for not working.
This is just one of the socialist democrat scams to pay off the lower classes
and suck the tax dollars from the american middle class.

In the process, they have destroyed our country; where every minority is too
good to do labor intensive work like carpentry or concrete work and are
rewarded for NOT working and having MORE babies!

Simply put, every illegal coming across the border costs you, the taxpayer
50% more in taxes than they put into the economy.
Then, they destroy the ability and chances of our own to have jobs,
then they undercut the wages and benefits of our own,
then the send a lot of their money OUT of our country!

There is not one good thing legals and illegal do for our country, except to
make filthy developers, Michael Dell and sweat shop owners rich.

Do you understand now?

--
--mapi--
================================================== ======================
There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americans... The one
absolutely certain way of brining this nation to ruin, of preventing
all possibility of it continuing to be a nation at all, would be to
permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities.--T Roosevelt
================================================== =================

[Mapanari]

animaux > babbled and bored us in
:

> On Sat, 24 May 2003 07:07:55 -0500, Libralove >
> wrote:
>
>
>>Well, some one has to construct those Roy Roy, Davenport Ranch, Seven
>>Oaks and Bellalago homes for you rich people.
>>
>>How many legals do you know will put on a roof at high noon in mid-July
>>here for $7.50 an hour? ;)
>
> As I can clearly see, people have absolutely no compassion and I'm
> slated as that libral yanquee. Oh well. When we had our pool built, it
> was Mexican men who broke their backs. I made sure they always had
> something ice cold to drink and gave them all a nice sized tip at the
> end. They were shocked. I 'pose us yanqueez tip too much.
>

Treating them extra kindly only makes them telephone call to all their aunts
uncles and relatives and soon another 20 million of them will be pouring over
hte border like rapacious hungry rats; crippling our schools, raising our
taxes to astronomical levels, making us increase the police and human social
services and much more.

Don't mistreat them, but make sure to let them know they're not welcome here
and it would be better for them to go back.

To do otherwise is to contribute to the poverty and hopelessness of our own
people who can't find jobs paying enough to live on....because all the
millions of illegals and H1B visa scabs are undercutting the pay and
benefits.

To encourage immigration is to be an anti american and a person who dislikes
american blacks and hispanics and would like to keep them in ghettos and on
the dole, subservient to the almighty federal and state government for
handouts and making them a permanent class of beggars without pride, which
they are right now thanks to "nice" people like you and the socialist liberal
democrat idiots and greedy fat republican big donors thieves.

--
--mapi--
================================================== ======================
There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americans... The one
absolutely certain way of brining this nation to ruin, of preventing
all possibility of it continuing to be a nation at all, would be to
permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities.--T Roosevelt
================================================== =================

[William A. Bryan]

Michael,

How much dirt are you talking about?

If it's say one pick-up load or so, it might be more economical to haul it
yourself, including pick-up truck rental.

Plus you get the benefit of exercise. (I used to do archeology for a
living, and my arms haven't been as in-shape since I switched to medical
field)

Good luck,

Bill Bryan


Michael Horn wrote:

> I need some dirt hauled. Where is the best place in Austin, preferrably
> South Austin to look for day labor (5-7.50 per hour)
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike

[JETman]

Libralove wrote:
>
> in article , JETman at
> wrote on 5/24/03 12:54 PM:
>
> > And you are full of shit up to the tops of your ears.
> >
> > Only in Texas and other border states is labor in the form of illegal
> > immigrants as rampant as here in Austin.
> >
> > It is low interest rates that is driving the housing/refinance market,
> > not cheap labor. Cheap labor only serves the scummy contractors who
> > pocket the extra profit as houses are not that much cheaper here than in
> > other parts of the country where labor costs are much, much higher. Oh,
> > and while we are at it, those higher priced carpenters pay higher taxes,
> > have valid drivers licenses and insurance and actually contribute in
> > many more ways than does illegal labor.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > JT (Residing in Austin, Texas)
> >
> > Just Tooling Down The Internet Superhighway With my G4.......
> > and with a lot of road range....
>
> They have them in NY State, in Connecticut, and all of the states. The
> recent trucker horror where 18 were suffocated in a truck were driven by
> New York State people and they were not necessarily headed for Texas, dude.
>
> You need to leave Austin every now and again and find out what is happening
> out in the real world, dude.



Well DUDE... Between spurts of smokin' hemp and other assorted
agricultural products, just a few days later, another truck was
discovered in of all places... Texas.

I never stated that they (illegals) did not head to other parts of the
country but nowhere is the problem as great as it is in CA, AZ, and TX.
Or is that too obvious for your pin sized brain???



--
Regards,

JT (Residing in Austin, Texas)

Just Tooling Down The Internet Superhighway With my G4.......

[JETman]

Mapanari wrote:
>
> animaux > babbled and bored us in
> :
>
> > On Sat, 24 May 2003 07:07:55 -0500, Libralove >
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Well, some one has to construct those Roy Roy, Davenport Ranch, Seven
> >>Oaks and Bellalago homes for you rich people.
> >>
> >>How many legals do you know will put on a roof at high noon in mid-July
> >>here for $7.50 an hour? ;)
> >
> > As I can clearly see, people have absolutely no compassion and I'm
> > slated as that libral yanquee. Oh well. When we had our pool built, it
> > was Mexican men who broke their backs. I made sure they always had
> > something ice cold to drink and gave them all a nice sized tip at the
> > end. They were shocked. I 'pose us yanqueez tip too much.
> >
>
> Treating them extra kindly only makes them telephone call to all their aunts
> uncles and relatives and soon another 20 million of them will be pouring over
> hte border like rapacious hungry rats; crippling our schools, raising our
> taxes to astronomical levels, making us increase the police and human social
> services and much more.
>
> Don't mistreat them, but make sure to let them know they're not welcome here
> and it would be better for them to go back.
>
> To do otherwise is to contribute to the poverty and hopelessness of our own
> people who can't find jobs paying enough to live on....because all the
> millions of illegals and H1B visa scabs are undercutting the pay and
> benefits.
>
> To encourage immigration is to be an anti american and a person who dislikes
> american blacks and hispanics and would like to keep them in ghettos and on
> the dole, subservient to the almighty federal and state government for
> handouts and making them a permanent class of beggars without pride, which
> they are right now thanks to "nice" people like you and the socialist liberal
> democrat idiots and greedy fat republican big donors thieves.
>
> --
> --mapi--
>


Years ago when we officially welcomed European immigrants, the purpose
was to fill jobs due to insufficient population. Well folks, those days
are gone because all of the jobs are gone.

The fact is we should go on a 32 hour work week with a minimum of six
weeks vacation per year. At the same time, all this "home leave" bs
needs to be rescinded and above all, this country needs to return to a
"can do" policy rather than the current "gimme" policies...



--
Regards,

JT (Residing in Austin, Texas)

Just Tooling Down The Internet Superhighway With my G4.......

[Mapanari]

JETman > babbled and bored us in
:

>
>
> Mapanari wrote:
>>
>> animaux > babbled and bored us in
>> :
>>
>> > On Sat, 24 May 2003 07:07:55 -0500, Libralove
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>Well, some one has to construct those Roy Roy, Davenport Ranch, Seven
>> >>Oaks and Bellalago homes for you rich people.
>> >>
>> >>How many legals do you know will put on a roof at high noon in
>> >>mid-July here for $7.50 an hour? ;)
>> >
>> > As I can clearly see, people have absolutely no compassion and I'm
>> > slated as that libral yanquee. Oh well. When we had our pool built,
>> > it was Mexican men who broke their backs. I made sure they always
>> > had something ice cold to drink and gave them all a nice sized tip at
>> > the end. They were shocked. I 'pose us yanqueez tip too much.
>> >
>>
>> Treating them extra kindly only makes them telephone call to all their
>> aunts uncles and relatives and soon another 20 million of them will be
>> pouring over hte border like rapacious hungry rats; crippling our
>> schools, raising our taxes to astronomical levels, making us increase
>> the police and human social services and much more.
>>
>> Don't mistreat them, but make sure to let them know they're not welcome
>> here and it would be better for them to go back.
>>
>> To do otherwise is to contribute to the poverty and hopelessness of our
>> own people who can't find jobs paying enough to live on....because all
>> the millions of illegals and H1B visa scabs are undercutting the pay
>> and benefits.
>>
>> To encourage immigration is to be an anti american and a person who
>> dislikes american blacks and hispanics and would like to keep them in
>> ghettos and on the dole, subservient to the almighty federal and state
>> government for handouts and making them a permanent class of beggars
>> without pride, which they are right now thanks to "nice" people like
>> you and the socialist liberal democrat idiots and greedy fat republican
>> big donors thieves.
>>
>> --
>> --mapi--
>>
>
>
> Years ago when we officially welcomed European immigrants, the purpose
> was to fill jobs due to insufficient population. Well folks, those days
> are gone because all of the jobs are gone.

Our european forefathers were culled mightely at Ellis Island and Angel
Island.
The sick, the really old, the feeble and the feeble minded were sent back.
There was no welfare nor food stamps nor section 8 housing to greet them and
catlick charities to tell them their "rights" and how to manipulate the
system.
Many who couldn't make it went back home. Good ridence.

Now we actually go around the world finding the most defective and stupidest
and bring them here as adopted children that no one else wants because
they're droolers, stupid, mongloids or crippled.
And then we open the border to meskin indians and the lower classes and keep
tight restrictions on Australians and Europeans who actually know what toilet
paper is for and who don't think marrying their 12 year old neices is the
lucky thing to do.

Our immigration policy is ass backwards...we stop all the best and brightest
from coming now, and we encourage all the disease-ridden, heart defective,
lazy, stupid and criminal morons of the world to come instead.
>
> The fact is we should go on a 32 hour work week with a minimum of six
> weeks vacation per year. At the same time, all this "home leave" bs
> needs to be rescinded and above all, this country needs to return to a
> "can do" policy rather than the current "gimme" policies...
>
We could afford to do that many years ago, but no more.

Although we have a teetering between first and second place constantly for
1st place in productivity it's at an enormous expense. Americans work harder
and longer hours for less pay than most European nations and get less
benefits and have more workplace accidents and have less pensions and health
benefits.

We're not really number one, we're just number one in hard work and how much
the robber barons of America can squeeze out of each worker.

Do you know that 1 month vacation is standard for european workers?

--
--mapi--
================================================== ======================
There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americans... The one
absolutely certain way of brining this nation to ruin, of preventing
all possibility of it continuing to be a nation at all, would be to
permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities.--T Roosevelt
================================================== =================

[animaux]

On Sat, 24 May 2003 13:32:00 GMT, JETman > wrote:


>And as such, you were aiding and abetting illegal activities.
>
>Just wtf is INS doing these days???

Well, let us take a look: After the Twin Towers toppled, a month later those
men who did the driving were issued their visa's.

I find the way we treat Mexican people deplorable. They are family oriented and
very hard workers. I will continue to give charity, compassion and work to any
one of them on that corner.

[animaux]

On Sat, 24 May 2003 09:06:09 -0500, Libralove > wrote:


>The INS? They are trying to keep housing construction going full blast by
>NOT stopping illegal laborers from coming here to build our houses. Housing
>construction is about the only healthy part of the US economy right now.
>
>If they stop them, US housing construction comes to a screeching halt. Do
>you think the fat cats in Washington and the rich here who want a million
>dollar home for $750,000. want them stopped at the border?
>
>Only ignorant right wing middle-class people want them stopped.
>
>Get real, dude.

Having lived on Long Island all my life, including Brooklyn, NY, I can tell you
with assurance that, our 2500 square foot home on the same half acre in New
York would cost about 450, 000 dollars. The union who builds housing in New
York start their career at about 75 thousand dollars a year, plus benefits.
AND, if you are not brought in by a parent who retired, or a relative or pay
off, you do not get in.

I'm sorry, but I will continue to repeat by saying the fat cat builders in Texas
are abusing these men who work for nothing.

[JETman]

animaux wrote:
>
> On Sat, 24 May 2003 09:06:09 -0500, Libralove > wrote:
>
> >The INS? They are trying to keep housing construction going full blast by
> >NOT stopping illegal laborers from coming here to build our houses. Housing
> >construction is about the only healthy part of the US economy right now.
> >
> >If they stop them, US housing construction comes to a screeching halt. Do
> >you think the fat cats in Washington and the rich here who want a million
> >dollar home for $750,000. want them stopped at the border?
> >
> >Only ignorant right wing middle-class people want them stopped.
> >
> >Get real, dude.
>
> Having lived on Long Island all my life, including Brooklyn, NY, I can tell you
> with assurance that, our 2500 square foot home on the same half acre in New
> York would cost about 450, 000 dollars. The union who builds housing in New
> York start their career at about 75 thousand dollars a year, plus benefits.
> AND, if you are not brought in by a parent who retired, or a relative or pay
> off, you do not get in.
>
> I'm sorry, but I will continue to repeat by saying the fat cat builders in Texas
> are abusing these men who work for nothing.



You got it! But now will he???



--
Regards,

JT (Residing in Austin, Texas)

Just Tooling Down The Internet Superhighway With my G4.......

[Mapanari]

animaux > babbled and bored us in
:

> On Sat, 24 May 2003 09:06:09 -0500, Libralove >
> wrote:
>
>
>>The INS? They are trying to keep housing construction going full blast
>>by NOT stopping illegal laborers from coming here to build our houses.
>>Housing construction is about the only healthy part of the US economy
>>right now.
>>
>>If they stop them, US housing construction comes to a screeching halt.
>>Do you think the fat cats in Washington and the rich here who want a
>>million dollar home for $750,000. want them stopped at the border?
>>
>>Only ignorant right wing middle-class people want them stopped.
>>
>>Get real, dude.
>
> Having lived on Long Island all my life, including Brooklyn, NY, I can
> tell you with assurance that, our 2500 square foot home on the same
> half acre in New York would cost about 450, 000 dollars. The union who
> builds housing in New York start their career at about 75 thousand
> dollars a year, plus benefits. AND, if you are not brought in by a
> parent who retired, or a relative or pay off, you do not get in.
>
> I'm sorry, but I will continue to repeat by saying the fat cat builders
> in Texas are abusing these men who work for nothing.
>

What you all are really saying is that neither one of you gets the big
picture; unions through payoffs, graft and corruption continue to **** the
middle class and fat cat developers in non union states continue to **** the
middle class by bringing in millions of illegal aliens, and although your
house is cheaper, you local taxes skyrocket to pay for these breeding rats
who have huge families of future welfare takers and criminals.

So, no matter where you are, everyone is feeding off the dying golden goose
of the former middle class of America.

This last stock market manipulation and theft stole almost all the pension
funds and last remaining cash that middle america had left, and now Americans
are worth LESS than they're worth alive, they're net debtors since 2002 for
the first time in history.

We're going down.

And the last remaining bright spot, the housing market, is crashing all over
the USA.

Buckle up folks, the long long twilight road into permanent recession is at
hand.


--
--mapi--
================================================== ======================
There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americans... The one
absolutely certain way of brining this nation to ruin, of preventing
all possibility of it continuing to be a nation at all, would be to
permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities.--T Roosevelt
================================================== =================

[Spam-A-Ram-A]

Uh, just what is *your* lineage, mr. "jet"?

European? Did your folks come over on a boat? Did they go through Ellis
Island?

African? Compulsory trip to the U.S. of A., perhaps?

Your high'n'mighty attitude about "illegal activities" is complete BS.
Through the mid-1900's, it was immigrants that grew this country, and our
"doors" were wide open. So, it is only because of current "morals" on the
part of our alleged representatives (as if they actually have morals that
didn't concern making money above all else) that immigration laws are the
way they are.

The reason we have so many illegal Mexican immigrants is simple: because it
is illegal. The reason we have so many Mexican, Central & South American
immigrants is simple: because we share a border. So long as we have that
border, folks will continue to cross it. Case closed.

Believe you me, if folks could have walked here from, say, Poland at any
time after the Iron Curtain fell, they would have.

Now, I must agree with some of the other posts. These people come here
because to them the money is good. Whereas $7.50 / hour may seem like chump
change, it's much better than $7.50 / month, or zero, or being forced to
grow coca leaves and deal with the ilk of those that process them.

Yes, most of these people are hard working. And yes, they are people. This
is the true bottom line. They are fellow humans, and deserve the respect one
would give to any member of your own family.

To believe otherwise is simply letting your animal brain control you,
barking at the stranger so he doesn't come into your territory.

One other thing. Forget about the idea that we live in a democracy, unless
you consider that money, not opinion, is what matters. So long as someone
is willing to build a house and work for $whatever / hr, when "legitimate"
workers are demanding $whatever+, the person financing the building will
always go with the lesser amount.

Yes, unions had their place in time, but that time is past. They have
succumbed to rampant capitalism, as has, alas, most of our country.

You sound like an isolationist, and that is an absurd notion. We're all one
planet, and need to get along, not bicker over who is better suited to run
things. Remember, there's much more to it than just the folks who make it
here. What about the children working in the Nike factory overseas, or the
guys picking the bananas you put on your cereal? Again, they are cheaper,
so that's where the manufacturers go for their product.

So, put up or shut up. If you really feel this way about the illegal
immigrant problem, put your money where your mouth is. Don't buy the
produce from Mexico, or the shoes that were manufactured in China, or the
vodka from Poland. Just build a garden, grow your own food, mine your own
metals to fashion the tools to cut down your own wood to build your own
house. For if you partake of even one product that was not totally produced
within the confines of this country, you are just being a hypocrit.


"JETman" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Libralove wrote:
> >
> > in article , JETman at
> > wrote on 5/24/03 8:32 AM:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > animaux wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, 24 May 2003 07:07:55 -0500, Libralove
>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Well, some one has to construct those Roy Roy, Davenport Ranch,
Seven Oaks
> > >>> and Bellalago homes for you rich people.
> > >>>
> > >>> How many legals do you know will put on a roof at high noon in
mid-July here
> > >>> for $7.50 an hour? ;)
> > >>
> > >> As I can clearly see, people have absolutely no compassion and I'm
slated as
> > >> that libral yanquee. Oh well. When we had our pool built, it was
Mexican
> > >> men
> > >> who broke their backs. I made sure they always had something ice
cold to
> > >> drink
> > >> and gave them all a nice sized tip at the end. They were shocked. I
'pose
> > >> us
> > >> yanqueez tip too much.
> > >
> > >
> > > And as such, you were aiding and abetting illegal activities.
> > >
> > > Just wtf is INS doing these days???
> > >
> > >
> >
> > The INS? They are trying to keep housing construction going full blast
by
> > NOT stopping illegal laborers from coming here to build our houses.
Housing
> > construction is about the only healthy part of the US economy right now.
> >
> > If they stop them, US housing construction comes to a screeching halt.
Do
> > you think the fat cats in Washington and the rich here who want a
million
> > dollar home for $750,000. want them stopped at the border?
> >
> > Only ignorant right wing middle-class people want them stopped.
> >
> > Get real, dude.
>
>
>
> And you are full of shit up to the tops of your ears.
>
> Only in Texas and other border states is labor in the form of illegal
> immigrants as rampant as here in Austin.
>
> It is low interest rates that is driving the housing/refinance market,
> not cheap labor. Cheap labor only serves the scummy contractors who
> pocket the extra profit as houses are not that much cheaper here than in
> other parts of the country where labor costs are much, much higher. Oh,
> and while we are at it, those higher priced carpenters pay higher taxes,
> have valid drivers licenses and insurance and actually contribute in
> many more ways than does illegal labor.
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> JT (Residing in Austin, Texas)
>
> Just Tooling Down The Internet Superhighway With my G4.......

[Libralove]

Hey Folks,

When I first moved to NYC in 1973 from Austin, I found myself sitting in the
living room of the Bronx Mercedes dealer and the Bronx Borough Democratic
President over looking the Hudson River in a fabulous apartment.

What a view that was! I was cute young thing and politically clueless. I did
know what the SDS was, since I had spent the late '60s at UT.

I remember there was a Baccarat elephant and a donkey on the glass coffee
table.

At one point, one of the men turned to me and said, "What do you think about
us maybe making Puerto Rico a state instead of a commonwealth?" I was like,
"I have no clue what you are talking about".

At the time, Puerto Ricans were allowed to become U.S. citizens but they
were not encouraged to come over here and work. I had no idea what the
issues were or why they either wanted them here to work or not. But I did
realize that I was privy to some inside view of how "The Organization"
worked. That was what they called the cronies of theirs that they were
discussing. They were either members of "The Organization" or not.

New York City politics was/is a rough game. These two guys are dead or at
least I know for sure one is, his liver got him and the other one must have
had liver damage too, if you know what I mean.

Anyway, they both began to explain to me the mechanics of keeping a city
like New York running relatively smoothly considering the vast labor needs
that it has. This was New York City Management 101 and a speed track for the
evening. Buckle your seat belt lil girl and listen up...

They began to explain it to me. One of the biggest problems is/was the
immigrant population matures and in 5 years or so, the people who arrived on
the shores, no longer want to clean public restrooms, sweep the streets,
wipe the behinds of the elderly, etc.

America is a "land of opportunity", so in about 5 years or so, many
immigrants are ready to move into better jobs like driving a cab, or waiting
tables or city or government work with benefits. The lowest, hardest and
most unpleasant jobs go lacking of any workers to do them unless the
immigrant gates are opened from time to time.

Therefore, these two politicos explained to me, we must have a constant
fresh source of emigrant labor to replenish the supply. Without it, the city
could become paralyzed from lack of labor on the low end.

They were constantly looking at nearby islands like Puerto Rico and Haiti as
a source for these labor needs. The problem is with racism. Puerto Ricans
are lighter skinned and therefore preferable over Haitians. So they would
try to get more Puerto Ricans to come first and then open some doors for the
Haitians to come next.

Who knows they told me, "If we can get rid of Baby Doc, we might even make
Haiti a commonwealth if the labor supply runs low".

Now this is a rather warped, but probably realistic view of how this
immigrant thing works, at least in the NYC area. This was an amazing
revelation to me. Like I said, I had no clue of where they found people to
clean the public restrooms of New York City. But imagine what it would be
like if they could find no one to do it! I left that evening shaking my head
saying, "Wow! I wonder if what they said was true...." ;) I have since
realized, MOST PROBABLY!

Best to All -- LL


in article , Spam-A-Ram-A at
wrote on 5/26/03 9:27 AM:

> Uh, just what is *your* lineage, mr. "jet"?
>
> European? Did your folks come over on a boat? Did they go through Ellis
> Island?
>
> African? Compulsory trip to the U.S. of A., perhaps?
>
> Your high'n'mighty attitude about "illegal activities" is complete BS.
> Through the mid-1900's, it was immigrants that grew this country, and our
> "doors" were wide open. So, it is only because of current "morals" on the
> part of our alleged representatives (as if they actually have morals that
> didn't concern making money above all else) that immigration laws are the
> way they are.
>
> The reason we have so many illegal Mexican immigrants is simple: because it
> is illegal. The reason we have so many Mexican, Central & South American
> immigrants is simple: because we share a border. So long as we have that
> border, folks will continue to cross it. Case closed.
>
> Believe you me, if folks could have walked here from, say, Poland at any
> time after the Iron Curtain fell, they would have.
>
> Now, I must agree with some of the other posts. These people come here
> because to them the money is good. Whereas $7.50 / hour may seem like chump
> change, it's much better than $7.50 / month, or zero, or being forced to
> grow coca leaves and deal with the ilk of those that process them.
>
> Yes, most of these people are hard working. And yes, they are people. This
> is the true bottom line. They are fellow humans, and deserve the respect one
> would give to any member of your own family.
>
> To believe otherwise is simply letting your animal brain control you,
> barking at the stranger so he doesn't come into your territory.
>
> One other thing. Forget about the idea that we live in a democracy, unless
> you consider that money, not opinion, is what matters. So long as someone
> is willing to build a house and work for $whatever / hr, when "legitimate"
> workers are demanding $whatever+, the person financing the building will
> always go with the lesser amount.
>
> Yes, unions had their place in time, but that time is past. They have
> succumbed to rampant capitalism, as has, alas, most of our country.
>
> You sound like an isolationist, and that is an absurd notion. We're all one
> planet, and need to get along, not bicker over who is better suited to run
> things. Remember, there's much more to it than just the folks who make it
> here. What about the children working in the Nike factory overseas, or the
> guys picking the bananas you put on your cereal? Again, they are cheaper,
> so that's where the manufacturers go for their product.
>
> So, put up or shut up. If you really feel this way about the illegal
> immigrant problem, put your money where your mouth is. Don't buy the
> produce from Mexico, or the shoes that were manufactured in China, or the
> vodka from Poland. Just build a garden, grow your own food, mine your own
> metals to fashion the tools to cut down your own wood to build your own
> house. For if you partake of even one product that was not totally produced
> within the confines of this country, you are just being a hypocrit.
>
>
> "JETman" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> Libralove wrote:
>>>
>>> in article , JETman at
>>> wrote on 5/24/03 8:32 AM:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> animaux wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 24 May 2003 07:07:55 -0500, Libralove
> >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, some one has to construct those Roy Roy, Davenport Ranch,
> Seven Oaks
>>>>>> and Bellalago homes for you rich people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How many legals do you know will put on a roof at high noon in
> mid-July here
>>>>>> for $7.50 an hour? ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> As I can clearly see, people have absolutely no compassion and I'm
> slated as
>>>>> that libral yanquee. Oh well. When we had our pool built, it was
> Mexican
>>>>> men
>>>>> who broke their backs. I made sure they always had something ice
> cold to
>>>>> drink
>>>>> and gave them all a nice sized tip at the end. They were shocked. I
> 'pose
>>>>> us
>>>>> yanqueez tip too much.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And as such, you were aiding and abetting illegal activities.
>>>>
>>>> Just wtf is INS doing these days???
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> The INS? They are trying to keep housing construction going full blast
> by
>>> NOT stopping illegal laborers from coming here to build our houses.
> Housing
>>> construction is about the only healthy part of the US economy right now.
>>>
>>> If they stop them, US housing construction comes to a screeching halt.
> Do
>>> you think the fat cats in Washington and the rich here who want a
> million
>>> dollar home for $750,000. want them stopped at the border?
>>>
>>> Only ignorant right wing middle-class people want them stopped.
>>>
>>> Get real, dude.
>>
>>
>>
>> And you are full of shit up to the tops of your ears.
>>
>> Only in Texas and other border states is labor in the form of illegal
>> immigrants as rampant as here in Austin.
>>
>> It is low interest rates that is driving the housing/refinance market,
>> not cheap labor. Cheap labor only serves the scummy contractors who
>> pocket the extra profit as houses are not that much cheaper here than in
>> other parts of the country where labor costs are much, much higher. Oh,
>> and while we are at it, those higher priced carpenters pay higher taxes,
>> have valid drivers licenses and insurance and actually contribute in
>> many more ways than does illegal labor.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> JT (Residing in Austin, Texas)
>>
>> Just Tooling Down The Internet Superhighway With my G4.......
>
>

[JETman]

Spam-A-Ram-A wrote:
>
> Uh, just what is *your* lineage, mr. "jet"?
>
> European? Did your folks come over on a boat? Did they go through Ellis
> Island?
>
> African? Compulsory trip to the U.S. of A., perhaps?
>
> Your high'n'mighty attitude about "illegal activities" is complete BS.
> Through the mid-1900's, it was immigrants that grew this country, and our
> "doors" were wide open. So, it is only because of current "morals" on the
> part of our alleged representatives (as if they actually have morals that
> didn't concern making money above all else) that immigration laws are the
> way they are.
>
> The reason we have so many illegal Mexican immigrants is simple: because it
> is illegal. The reason we have so many Mexican, Central & South American
> immigrants is simple: because we share a border. So long as we have that
> border, folks will continue to cross it. Case closed.
>
> Believe you me, if folks could have walked here from, say, Poland at any
> time after the Iron Curtain fell, they would have.
>
> Now, I must agree with some of the other posts. These people come here
> because to them the money is good. Whereas $7.50 / hour may seem like chump
> change, it's much better than $7.50 / month, or zero, or being forced to
> grow coca leaves and deal with the ilk of those that process them.
>
> Yes, most of these people are hard working. And yes, they are people. This
> is the true bottom line. They are fellow humans, and deserve the respect one
> would give to any member of your own family.
>
> To believe otherwise is simply letting your animal brain control you,
> barking at the stranger so he doesn't come into your territory.
>
> One other thing. Forget about the idea that we live in a democracy, unless
> you consider that money, not opinion, is what matters. So long as someone
> is willing to build a house and work for $whatever / hr, when "legitimate"
> workers are demanding $whatever+, the person financing the building will
> always go with the lesser amount.
>
> Yes, unions had their place in time, but that time is past. They have
> succumbed to rampant capitalism, as has, alas, most of our country.
>
> You sound like an isolationist, and that is an absurd notion. We're all one
> planet, and need to get along, not bicker over who is better suited to run
> things. Remember, there's much more to it than just the folks who make it
> here. What about the children working in the Nike factory overseas, or the
> guys picking the bananas you put on your cereal? Again, they are cheaper,
> so that's where the manufacturers go for their product.
>
> So, put up or shut up. If you really feel this way about the illegal
> immigrant problem, put your money where your mouth is. Don't buy the
> produce from Mexico, or the shoes that were manufactured in China, or the
> vodka from Poland. Just build a garden, grow your own food, mine your own
> metals to fashion the tools to cut down your own wood to build your own
> house. For if you partake of even one product that was not totally produced
> within the confines of this country, you are just being a hypocrit.
>


Quite a tirade from someone that refuses to accept FACT.

Yep, the same old tired argument that defies common sense, logic, and
the REAL situation.

Now, go back to your little comfy hut in the back yard and pray that I
don't find out who your parents are, cause maybe it time fer a lickin'...

JT



> "JETman" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > Libralove wrote:
> > >
> > > in article , JETman at
> > > wrote on 5/24/03 8:32 AM:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > animaux wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> On Sat, 24 May 2003 07:07:55 -0500, Libralove
> >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Well, some one has to construct those Roy Roy, Davenport Ranch,
> Seven Oaks
> > > >>> and Bellalago homes for you rich people.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> How many legals do you know will put on a roof at high noon in
> mid-July here
> > > >>> for $7.50 an hour? ;)
> > > >>
> > > >> As I can clearly see, people have absolutely no compassion and I'm
> slated as
> > > >> that libral yanquee. Oh well. When we had our pool built, it was
> Mexican
> > > >> men
> > > >> who broke their backs. I made sure they always had something ice
> cold to
> > > >> drink
> > > >> and gave them all a nice sized tip at the end. They were shocked. I
> 'pose
> > > >> us
> > > >> yanqueez tip too much.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > And as such, you were aiding and abetting illegal activities.
> > > >
> > > > Just wtf is INS doing these days???
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > The INS? They are trying to keep housing construction going full blast
> by
> > > NOT stopping illegal laborers from coming here to build our houses.
> Housing
> > > construction is about the only healthy part of the US economy right now.
> > >
> > > If they stop them, US housing construction comes to a screeching halt.
> Do
> > > you think the fat cats in Washington and the rich here who want a
> million
> > > dollar home for $750,000. want them stopped at the border?
> > >
> > > Only ignorant right wing middle-class people want them stopped.
> > >
> > > Get real, dude.
> >
> >
> >
> > And you are full of shit up to the tops of your ears.
> >
> > Only in Texas and other border states is labor in the form of illegal
> > immigrants as rampant as here in Austin.
> >
> > It is low interest rates that is driving the housing/refinance market,
> > not cheap labor. Cheap labor only serves the scummy contractors who
> > pocket the extra profit as houses are not that much cheaper here than in
> > other parts of the country where labor costs are much, much higher. Oh,
> > and while we are at it, those higher priced carpenters pay higher taxes,
> > have valid drivers licenses and insurance and actually contribute in
> > many more ways than does illegal labor.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > JT (Residing in Austin, Texas)
> >
> > Just Tooling Down The Internet Superhighway With my G4.......

--
Regards,

JT (Residing in Austin, Texas)

Just Tooling Down The Internet Superhighway With my G4.......

[Spam-A-Ram-A]

OK, speaking of tirades, how about some actual information?

Just what are these "facts" to which you refer, this "real situation"?

Please, don't just spew, give some data that can be checked. I'm curious.

BTW, don't have a hut. We're not cruel, the dogs sleep inside at night.

>
> Quite a tirade from someone that refuses to accept FACT.
>
> Yep, the same old tired argument that defies common sense, logic, and
> the REAL situation.
>
> Now, go back to your little comfy hut in the back yard and pray that I
> don't find out who your parents are, cause maybe it time fer a lickin'...
>
> JT
>

[JETman]

Sorry, but you're not worth the time...

JT



Spam-A-Ram-A wrote:
>
> OK, speaking of tirades, how about some actual information?
>
> Just what are these "facts" to which you refer, this "real situation"?
>
> Please, don't just spew, give some data that can be checked. I'm curious.
>
> BTW, don't have a hut. We're not cruel, the dogs sleep inside at night.
>
> >
> > Quite a tirade from someone that refuses to accept FACT.
> >
> > Yep, the same old tired argument that defies common sense, logic, and
> > the REAL situation.
> >
> > Now, go back to your little comfy hut in the back yard and pray that I
> > don't find out who your parents are, cause maybe it time fer a lickin'...
> >
> > JT
> >

[Nell Reynolds]

I am a conservative Republican, but I can see that the illegal aliens who
come here work hard. Many of them send much of their paychecks home to
families they can afford to visit only once a year, if that often. They
come here because there is not even the opportunity to make $6 an hour at
backbreaking work in Mexico. They live six or more to a cheap apartment and
walk or take a bus wherever they want/need to go, because most of them
cannot afford a car, even if they pool their money.
People who know the border situation say that we will stop the illegal
immigration only when we raise the economy of Mexico closer to the level of
the US.

Nell S

"JETman" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Bill wrote:
> >
> > "Spike" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > In article >,
> > > says...
> > > > Yeah and you will be paying illegals as well. A federal offense I
> > > > believe even though our own police department is aiding and abetting
> > > > them as well...
> > > >
> > > > JT
> > >
> > > Don't know which is worse them or the Yankees coming here! ;)
> > > Spike
> >
> > Yes. Pretty soon the yankees will want to unionize them, and raise our
> > taxes for their pension plans and more! For illegals!
>
>
>
> I can assure you that THIS yankee might think of unionizing, but
> certainly not for illegal immigrants.
>
> What really ****es me off is that the TeeVee stations in all of their
> political correctness don't even call them ILLEGAL. And the cops have a
> policy of NOT questioning legal status of these workers... A revoltin'
> situation if in my not so humble opinion...
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> JT (Residing in Austin, Texas)
>
> Just Tooling Down The Internet Superhighway With my G4.......

[crosem]

I have recently been seeing quite a few on bicycles!


"Nell Reynolds" > wrote in message
. ..
| I am a conservative Republican, but I can see that the illegal aliens who
| come here work hard. Many of them send much of their paychecks home to
| families they can afford to visit only once a year, if that often. They
| come here because there is not even the opportunity to make $6 an hour at
| backbreaking work in Mexico. They live six or more to a cheap apartment
and
| walk or take a bus wherever they want/need to go, because most of them
| cannot afford a car, even if they pool their money.
| People who know the border situation say that we will stop the illegal
| immigration only when we raise the economy of Mexico closer to the level
of
| the US.
|
| Nell S
|
| "JETman" > wrote in message
| ...
| >
| >
| > Bill wrote:
| > >
| > > "Spike" > wrote in message
| > > ...
| > > > In article >,
| > > > says...
| > > > > Yeah and you will be paying illegals as well. A federal offense I
| > > > > believe even though our own police department is aiding and
abetting
| > > > > them as well...
| > > > >
| > > > > JT
| > > >
| > > > Don't know which is worse them or the Yankees coming here! ;)
| > > > Spike
| > >
| > > Yes. Pretty soon the yankees will want to unionize them, and raise
our
| > > taxes for their pension plans and more! For illegals!
| >
| >
| >
| > I can assure you that THIS yankee might think of unionizing, but
| > certainly not for illegal immigrants.
| >
| > What really ****es me off is that the TeeVee stations in all of their
| > political correctness don't even call them ILLEGAL. And the cops have a
| > policy of NOT questioning legal status of these workers... A revoltin'
| > situation if in my not so humble opinion...
| >
| >
| >
| > --
| > Regards,
| >
| > JT (Residing in Austin, Texas)
| >
| > Just Tooling Down The Internet Superhighway With my G4.......
|
|

[JETman]

Why is it OUR responsibility to "raise" the levels of ********s like
Mexico to "be more like the US."

Irrational thinking like this is exactly what has put us in the spot
that we find ourselves.

Get a clue!

JT




Nell Reynolds wrote:
>
> I am a conservative Republican, but I can see that the illegal aliens who
> come here work hard. Many of them send much of their paychecks home to
> families they can afford to visit only once a year, if that often. They
> come here because there is not even the opportunity to make $6 an hour at
> backbreaking work in Mexico. They live six or more to a cheap apartment and
> walk or take a bus wherever they want/need to go, because most of them
> cannot afford a car, even if they pool their money.
> People who know the border situation say that we will stop the illegal
> immigration only when we raise the economy of Mexico closer to the level of
> the US.
>
> Nell S
>
> "JETman" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > Bill wrote:
> > >
> > > "Spike" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > In article >,
> > > > says...
> > > > > Yeah and you will be paying illegals as well. A federal offense I
> > > > > believe even though our own police department is aiding and abetting
> > > > > them as well...
> > > > >
> > > > > JT
> > > >
> > > > Don't know which is worse them or the Yankees coming here! ;)
> > > > Spike
> > >
> > > Yes. Pretty soon the yankees will want to unionize them, and raise our
> > > taxes for their pension plans and more! For illegals!
> >
> >
> >
> > I can assure you that THIS yankee might think of unionizing, but
> > certainly not for illegal immigrants.
> >
> > What really ****es me off is that the TeeVee stations in all of their
> > political correctness don't even call them ILLEGAL. And the cops have a
> > policy of NOT questioning legal status of these workers... A revoltin'
> > situation if in my not so humble opinion...
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > JT (Residing in Austin, Texas)
> >
> > Just Tooling Down The Internet Superhighway With my G4.......

--
Regards,

JT (Residing in Austin, Texas)

Just Tooling Down The Internet Superhighway With my G4.......

[animaux]

What "spot" might that be? Oh, you mean the tax cut the igit just signed?

On Sun, 01 Jun 2003 22:32:19 GMT, JETman > wrote:

>Why is it OUR responsibility to "raise" the levels of ********s like
>Mexico to "be more like the US."
>
>Irrational thinking like this is exactly what has put us in the spot
>that we find ourselves.
>
>Get a clue!
>
>JT
>
>
>
>
>Nell Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> I am a conservative Republican, but I can see that the illegal aliens who
>> come here work hard. Many of them send much of their paychecks home to
>> families they can afford to visit only once a year, if that often. They
>> come here because there is not even the opportunity to make $6 an hour at
>> backbreaking work in Mexico. They live six or more to a cheap apartment and
>> walk or take a bus wherever they want/need to go, because most of them
>> cannot afford a car, even if they pool their money.
>> People who know the border situation say that we will stop the illegal
>> immigration only when we raise the economy of Mexico closer to the level of
>> the US.
>>
>> Nell S
>>
>> "JETman" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> >
>> > Bill wrote:
>> > >
>> > > "Spike" > wrote in message
>> > > ...
>> > > > In article >,
>> > > > says...
>> > > > > Yeah and you will be paying illegals as well. A federal offense I
>> > > > > believe even though our own police department is aiding and abetting
>> > > > > them as well...
>> > > > >
>> > > > > JT
>> > > >
>> > > > Don't know which is worse them or the Yankees coming here! ;)
>> > > > Spike
>> > >
>> > > Yes. Pretty soon the yankees will want to unionize them, and raise our
>> > > taxes for their pension plans and more! For illegals!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I can assure you that THIS yankee might think of unionizing, but
>> > certainly not for illegal immigrants.
>> >
>> > What really ****es me off is that the TeeVee stations in all of their
>> > political correctness don't even call them ILLEGAL. And the cops have a
>> > policy of NOT questioning legal status of these workers... A revoltin'
>> > situation if in my not so humble opinion...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > JT (Residing in Austin, Texas)
>> >
>> > Just Tooling Down The Internet Superhighway With my G4.......

[JETman]

Yep, just change the subject and avoid serious discussion. Another
liberal has struct and is now dispatched...

JT




animaux wrote:
>
> What "spot" might that be? Oh, you mean the tax cut the igit just signed?
>
> On Sun, 01 Jun 2003 22:32:19 GMT, JETman > wrote:
>
> >Why is it OUR responsibility to "raise" the levels of ********s like
> >Mexico to "be more like the US."
> >
> >Irrational thinking like this is exactly what has put us in the spot
> >that we find ourselves.
> >
> >Get a clue!
> >
> >JT
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Nell Reynolds wrote:
> >>
> >> I am a conservative Republican, but I can see that the illegal aliens who
> >> come here work hard. Many of them send much of their paychecks home to
> >> families they can afford to visit only once a year, if that often. They
> >> come here because there is not even the opportunity to make $6 an hour at
> >> backbreaking work in Mexico. They live six or more to a cheap apartment and
> >> walk or take a bus wherever they want/need to go, because most of them
> >> cannot afford a car, even if they pool their money.
> >> People who know the border situation say that we will stop the illegal
> >> immigration only when we raise the economy of Mexico closer to the level of
> >> the US.
> >>
> >> Nell S
> >>
> >> "JETman" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Bill wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > "Spike" > wrote in message
> >> > > ...
> >> > > > In article >,
> >> > > > says...
> >> > > > > Yeah and you will be paying illegals as well. A federal offense I
> >> > > > > believe even though our own police department is aiding and abetting
> >> > > > > them as well...
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > JT
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Don't know which is worse them or the Yankees coming here! ;)
> >> > > > Spike
> >> > >
> >> > > Yes. Pretty soon the yankees will want to unionize them, and raise our
> >> > > taxes for their pension plans and more! For illegals!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I can assure you that THIS yankee might think of unionizing, but
> >> > certainly not for illegal immigrants.
> >> >
> >> > What really ****es me off is that the TeeVee stations in all of their
> >> > political correctness don't even call them ILLEGAL. And the cops have a
> >> > policy of NOT questioning legal status of these workers... A revoltin'
> >> > situation if in my not so humble opinion...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Regards,
> >> >
> >> > JT (Residing in Austin, Texas)
> >> >
> >> > Just Tooling Down The Internet Superhighway With my G4.......

--
Regards,

JT (Residing in Austin, Texas)

Just Tooling Down The Internet Superhighway With my G4.......

[Mapanari]

"Nell Reynolds" > babbled and bored us in
:

> I am a conservative Republican, but I can see that the illegal aliens
> who come here work hard. Many of them send much of their paychecks home
> to families they can afford to visit only once a year, if that often.
> They come here because there is not even the opportunity to make $6 an
> hour at backbreaking work in Mexico. They live six or more to a cheap
> apartment and walk or take a bus wherever they want/need to go, because
> most of them cannot afford a car, even if they pool their money.
> People who know the border situation say that we will stop the illegal
> immigration only when we raise the economy of Mexico closer to the level
> of the US.
>
> Nell S
>

Who's "we" Tonto? And I use the name tonto in this case because in spanish
it means "fool".

1. Work hard? Who gives a shit. The slave indians on Catholic missions
worked hard. The jews in the Auschwitz worked hard. I work hard, Americans
are the hardest working western civ country in the world. So what?
Are you really meaning they work at jobs you don't want to do? That's
called economics, simple and pure.

2. Raise the economy of Mexico? And how pray tell would you do that? It's
a ******** country overpopulated with hundreds of millions of breeding
slightly retarded catholics with a horrible failed culture who can run fast
enough to escape their ******** and come north where our superiour culture
and people provide clean water, paved streets and we don't screw our donkeys
on stage for a $10 tip.
You want to send them another trillion dollars of foriegn aid that the
american middle class will have to pay for, so your kids can't go to college
or get health insurance or drugs for sickness? That will never be paid back?
You want more free trade? How much freer than it can be with Mexico
destroying our own tomato industry and hitech moved south and all of our last
clothing manufactures etc left there, and have now left mesko for even
cheaper locals?
You want to become a marxist liberal socialist society and tax every
american 90% of their savings and money and send it to all meskins?


This is not rocket science...see Mexico is blessed just like the USA is with
beautiful arable land, lots of oil, fishing, agriculture and minerals and a
great location and two seas. They've managed to destroy almost all of that.

What have they done with it?
Made tortillas and periodically put each other against the wall and shoot
each other, marry their 12 year old neices and sit around complaining about
the yankis, when they're not sneaking across the border and complaining about
the yankis and their "rights" here.

The only solution to a being next to a horrible failed disgusting culture
like Mexico is what the Irsaelis should do with the arabs; make a big
impermeable fence and plant land mines and only let some honest, hardworking,
non-criminal men only come in through checkpoints with foolproof id cards for
work visas that last only 6 months and massive penalties for being here
illegaly.

Let mexico burn, or starve, or **** themselves into overpopulation oblivioun,
whatever...just keep those hordes of meskins out of USA and sooner or later,
mother nature will take care of the meskin problem in due course, and when
the herd is thinned down there, everything will be so much nicer for them.

mapi


--
When we go to war over religion, we're basically killing each other to
see who's got the better imaginary friend.

[Robert]

in article , Mapanari at
wrote on 6/1/03 8:05 PM:

> "Nell Reynolds" > babbled and bored us in
> :
>
>> I am a conservative Republican, but I can see that the illegal aliens
>> who come here work hard. Many of them send much of their paychecks home
>> to families they can afford to visit only once a year, if that often.
>> They come here because there is not even the opportunity to make $6 an
>> hour at backbreaking work in Mexico. They live six or more to a cheap
>> apartment and walk or take a bus wherever they want/need to go, because
>> most of them cannot afford a car, even if they pool their money.
>> People who know the border situation say that we will stop the illegal
>> immigration only when we raise the economy of Mexico closer to the level
>> of the US.
>>
>> Nell S
>>
>
> Who's "we" Tonto? And I use the name tonto in this case because in spanish
> it means "fool".
>
> 1. Work hard? Who gives a shit. The slave indians on Catholic missions
> worked hard. The jews in the Auschwitz worked hard. I work hard, Americans
> are the hardest working western civ country in the world. So what?
> Are you really meaning they work at jobs you don't want to do? That's
> called economics, simple and pure.
>
> 2. Raise the economy of Mexico? And how pray tell would you do that? It's
> a ******** country overpopulated with hundreds of millions of breeding
> slightly retarded catholics with a horrible failed culture who can run fast
> enough to escape their ******** and come north where our superiour culture
> and people provide clean water, paved streets and we don't screw our donkeys
> on stage for a $10 tip.
> You want to send them another trillion dollars of foriegn aid that the
> american middle class will have to pay for, so your kids can't go to college
> or get health insurance or drugs for sickness? That will never be paid back?
> You want more free trade? How much freer than it can be with Mexico
> destroying our own tomato industry and hitech moved south and all of our last
> clothing manufactures etc left there, and have now left mesko for even
> cheaper locals?
> You want to become a marxist liberal socialist society and tax every
> american 90% of their savings and money and send it to all meskins?
>
>
> This is not rocket science...see Mexico is blessed just like the USA is with
> beautiful arable land, lots of oil, fishing, agriculture and minerals and a
> great location and two seas. They've managed to destroy almost all of that.
>
> What have they done with it?
> Made tortillas and periodically put each other against the wall and shoot
> each other, marry their 12 year old neices and sit around complaining about
> the yankis, when they're not sneaking across the border and complaining about
> the yankis and their "rights" here.
>
> The only solution to a being next to a horrible failed disgusting culture
> like Mexico is what the Irsaelis should do with the arabs; make a big
> impermeable fence and plant land mines and only let some honest, hardworking,
> non-criminal men only come in through checkpoints with foolproof id cards for
> work visas that last only 6 months and massive penalties for being here
> illegaly.
>
> Let mexico burn, or starve, or **** themselves into overpopulation oblivioun,
> whatever...just keep those hordes of meskins out of USA and sooner or later,
> mother nature will take care of the meskin problem in due course, and when
> the herd is thinned down there, everything will be so much nicer for them.
>
> mapi
>

Y'know, I take back what I said the other day... You are unbelievably
disgusting, you know that? I think the world would be a better place without
people like YOU, and **** you if you don't like it.

Ignore me NOW, prick.

[animaux]

I wanted to know what spot you were talking about so I could give you a more
informed answer. To me, it appears you are the one avoiding the question.
Maybe if you were more clear and realize I am not a mind reader, you would
answer what "spot" might that be?

On Mon, 02 Jun 2003 01:57:48 GMT, JETman > wrote:

>Yep, just change the subject and avoid serious discussion. Another
>liberal has struct and is now dispatched...
>
>JT
>
>
>
>
>animaux wrote:
>>
>> What "spot" might that be? Oh, you mean the tax cut the igit just signed?
>>
>> On Sun, 01 Jun 2003 22:32:19 GMT, JETman > wrote:
>>
>> >Why is it OUR responsibility to "raise" the levels of ********s like
>> >Mexico to "be more like the US."
>> >
>> >Irrational thinking like this is exactly what has put us in the spot
>> >that we find ourselves.
>> >
>> >Get a clue!
>> >
>> >JT
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Nell Reynolds wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I am a conservative Republican, but I can see that the illegal aliens who
>> >> come here work hard. Many of them send much of their paychecks home to
>> >> families they can afford to visit only once a year, if that often. They
>> >> come here because there is not even the opportunity to make $6 an hour at
>> >> backbreaking work in Mexico. They live six or more to a cheap apartment and
>> >> walk or take a bus wherever they want/need to go, because most of them
>> >> cannot afford a car, even if they pool their money.
>> >> People who know the border situation say that we will stop the illegal
>> >> immigration only when we raise the economy of Mexico closer to the level of
>> >> the US.
>> >>
>> >> Nell S
>> >>
>> >> "JETman" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Bill wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > "Spike" > wrote in message
>> >> > > ...
>> >> > > > In article >,
>> >> > > > says...
>> >> > > > > Yeah and you will be paying illegals as well. A federal offense I
>> >> > > > > believe even though our own police department is aiding and abetting
>> >> > > > > them as well...
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > JT
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Don't know which is worse them or the Yankees coming here! ;)
>> >> > > > Spike
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Yes. Pretty soon the yankees will want to unionize them, and raise our
>> >> > > taxes for their pension plans and more! For illegals!
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I can assure you that THIS yankee might think of unionizing, but
>> >> > certainly not for illegal immigrants.
>> >> >
>> >> > What really ****es me off is that the TeeVee stations in all of their
>> >> > political correctness don't even call them ILLEGAL. And the cops have a
>> >> > policy of NOT questioning legal status of these workers... A revoltin'
>> >> > situation if in my not so humble opinion...
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> >
>> >> > JT (Residing in Austin, Texas)
>> >> >
>> >> > Just Tooling Down The Internet Superhighway With my G4.......

[Carol Adams]

I've held off on commenting on this thread because I've felt that my
sentiments would be unpopular. But, I must say that I find Mapanari's
references to "Meskins" and all of the commentary below (except Nell's)
offensive with respect to how these remarks denigrate Mexicans. If similar
comments were made denigrating women, African Americans, Asians, Russians,
Canadians, Presbyterians, etc., our society as a whole (individual and
special-interest-group exceptions excluded) would find them quite
unacceptable.

Flame me if you want to. I just felt that I had to protest the way some of
the participants in this list characterize people. Like it or not, illegal
Mexican workers in the US are a fact of life. And they are no less human
(perfect/imperfect) than you and I are. They just happen to have a much less
fortunate living situation than we do.

I also think that it's very convenient for us as individuals and for the US
economy in general that these workers are willing to do work that most of us
don't want to do, and to do it for a rate of pay that we would not even
consider. For example, would you want to work in a slaughterhouse? for
minimum wage? not reporting the accidental amputation of your right arm
because you had no medical coverage and were afraid of being deported?

In a related note, interestingly, very few of us don't eat meat.

My $0.02... thanks for listening.

carol


"JETman" > wrote in message
...
> Yep, just change the subject and avoid serious discussion. Another
> liberal has struct and is now dispatched...
>
> JT
>
>
>
>
> animaux wrote:
> >
> > What "spot" might that be? Oh, you mean the tax cut the igit just
signed?
> >
> > On Sun, 01 Jun 2003 22:32:19 GMT, JETman >
wrote:
> >
> > >Why is it OUR responsibility to "raise" the levels of ********s like
> > >Mexico to "be more like the US."
> > >
> > >Irrational thinking like this is exactly what has put us in the spot
> > >that we find ourselves.
> > >
> > >Get a clue!
> > >
> > >JT
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Nell Reynolds wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I am a conservative Republican, but I can see that the illegal aliens
who
> > >> come here work hard. Many of them send much of their paychecks home
to
> > >> families they can afford to visit only once a year, if that often.
They
> > >> come here because there is not even the opportunity to make $6 an
hour at
> > >> backbreaking work in Mexico. They live six or more to a cheap
apartment and
> > >> walk or take a bus wherever they want/need to go, because most of
them
> > >> cannot afford a car, even if they pool their money.
> > >> People who know the border situation say that we will stop the
illegal
> > >> immigration only when we raise the economy of Mexico closer to the
level of
> > >> the US.
> > >>
> > >> Nell S
> > >>
> > >> "JETman" > wrote in message
> > >> ...
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Bill wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > "Spike" > wrote in message
> > >> > > ...
> > >> > > > In article >,
> > >> > > > says...
> > >> > > > > Yeah and you will be paying illegals as well. A federal
offense I
> > >> > > > > believe even though our own police department is aiding and
abetting
> > >> > > > > them as well...
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > JT
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Don't know which is worse them or the Yankees coming here! ;)
> > >> > > > Spike
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Yes. Pretty soon the yankees will want to unionize them, and
raise our
> > >> > > taxes for their pension plans and more! For illegals!
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > I can assure you that THIS yankee might think of unionizing, but
> > >> > certainly not for illegal immigrants.
> > >> >
> > >> > What really ****es me off is that the TeeVee stations in all of
their
> > >> > political correctness don't even call them ILLEGAL. And the cops
have a
> > >> > policy of NOT questioning legal status of these workers... A
revoltin'
> > >> > situation if in my not so humble opinion...
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > Regards,
> > >> >
> > >> > JT (Residing in Austin, Texas)
> > >> >
> > >> > Just Tooling Down The Internet Superhighway With my G4.......
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> JT (Residing in Austin, Texas)
>
> Just Tooling Down The Internet Superhighway With my G4.......

[JETman]

Carol Adams wrote:
>
> I've held off on commenting on this thread because I've felt that my
> sentiments would be unpopular. But, I must say that I find Mapanari's
> references to "Meskins" and all of the commentary below (except Nell's)
> offensive with respect to how these remarks denigrate Mexicans. If similar
> comments were made denigrating women, African Americans, Asians, Russians,
> Canadians, Presbyterians, etc., our society as a whole (individual and
> special-interest-group exceptions excluded) would find them quite
> unacceptable.
>
> Flame me if you want to. I just felt that I had to protest the way some of
> the participants in this list characterize people. Like it or not, illegal
> Mexican workers in the US are a fact of life. And they are no less human
> (perfect/imperfect) than you and I are. They just happen to have a much less
> fortunate living situation than we do.
>
> I also think that it's very convenient for us as individuals and for the US
> economy in general that these workers are willing to do work that most of us
> don't want to do, and to do it for a rate of pay that we would not even
> consider. For example, would you want to work in a slaughterhouse? for
> minimum wage? not reporting the accidental amputation of your right arm
> because you had no medical coverage and were afraid of being deported?
>
> In a related note, interestingly, very few of us don't eat meat.
>
> My $0.02... thanks for listening.
>
> carol
>


Ho hum.

Again the typical liberal antidote... Do Nothing!

Well honey, if you can't remove your blinders and seed the truth, may
you just enjoy basking in your ignorance. Or is it stupidity, another
commodity so familiar with liberals?

Every one of your propositions have been debunked more times than I care
to remember so " acceptance" of illegal activity is ok, eh?


--
Regards,

JT (Residing in Austin, Texas)

Just Tooling Down The Internet Superhighway With my G4.......

[animaux]

On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 11:02:50 GMT, JETman > wrote:


>Ho hum.
>
>Again the typical liberal antidote... Do Nothing!

Oh give that banal blather a break. I think you listen to far too much Rush
Limbaugh to actually know what it is to have compassion. Gluttony is not a good
thing.

>Well honey, if you can't remove your blinders and seed the truth, may
>you just enjoy basking in your ignorance. Or is it stupidity, another
>commodity so familiar with liberals?

Again with the liberal comment. Are you a puppet man? Are you THE puppet for
the conservative party? Are you a monkey turning the organ crank? Do you hate
so much that you will stave another human being? Oops, more "liberal" antidote.

>Every one of your propositions have been debunked more times than I care
>to remember so " acceptance" of illegal activity is ok, eh?

Um, it seems to be that way when it comes to our vice president who fudged his
address to make it look like he's from Montana. Want to explain how he was a
top executive at Brown and Root, but lived in Montana? Oh yeah, then there's
the government contracts his buddies all have now to rebuild Iraq. We are
building hospitals for the Iraqi people. How bouts built some justice in this
country.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Typical political right. Oh,
wassa matter, don't like being called typical? You say there's no such thing?
Hmmm.

[Greg C]

The 'truth' is that illegal immigrants should not be denigrated...and they
are an integral part of our economy. We all benefit from lower housing
costs (and not just from 'scummy' contractors; my family was in the
construction industry in Texas for decades and you delude yourself) and food
costs. Various studies seek to offset the financial effect of these
'subsidies' with higher taxes for social programs, yet they are inconclusive
(since results vary). Regardless, when you buy a home or produce, you are
benefitting from this 'subsidy' (or did you make certain no illegal labor
was used on your home... )

Oh, BTW, I'm no liberal, so you'll have to create an original comeback.

Greg C

"JETman" > wrote in message
...
>
>
>
>
> Ho hum.
>
> Again the typical liberal antidote... Do Nothing!
>
> Well honey, if you can't remove your blinders and seed the truth, may
> you just enjoy basking in your ignorance. Or is it stupidity, another
> commodity so familiar with liberals?
>
> Every one of your propositions have been debunked more times than I care
> to remember so " acceptance" of illegal activity is ok, eh?
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> JT (Residing in Austin, Texas)
>
> Just Tooling Down The Internet Superhighway With my G4.......

[Mapanari]

JETman > babbled and bored us in
:

>
>
> Carol Adams wrote:
>>
>> I've held off on commenting on this thread because I've felt that my
>> sentiments would be unpopular. But, I must say that I find Mapanari's
>> references to "Meskins" and all of the commentary below (except Nell's)
>> offensive with respect to how these remarks denigrate Mexicans. If
>> similar comments were made denigrating women, African Americans,
>> Asians, Russians, Canadians, Presbyterians, etc., our society as a
>> whole (individual and special-interest-group exceptions excluded) would
>> find them quite unacceptable.
>>
>> Flame me if you want to. I just felt that I had to protest the way some
>> of the participants in this list characterize people. Like it or not,
>> illegal Mexican workers in the US are a fact of life. And they are no
>> less human (perfect/imperfect) than you and I are. They just happen to
>> have a much less fortunate living situation than we do.
>>
>> I also think that it's very convenient for us as individuals and for
>> the US economy in general that these workers are willing to do work
>> that most of us don't want to do, and to do it for a rate of pay that
>> we would not even consider. For example, would you want to work in a
>> slaughterhouse? for minimum wage? not reporting the accidental
>> amputation of your right arm because you had no medical coverage and
>> were afraid of being deported?
>>
>> In a related note, interestingly, very few of us don't eat meat.
>>
>> My $0.02... thanks for listening.
>>
>> carol
>>
>
>
> Ho hum.
>
> Again the typical liberal antidote... Do Nothing!
>
> Well honey, if you can't remove your blinders and seed the truth, may
> you just enjoy basking in your ignorance. Or is it stupidity, another
> commodity so familiar with liberals?
>
> Every one of your propositions have been debunked more times than I care
> to remember so " acceptance" of illegal activity is ok, eh?
>
>

"Meskins" is not a perjorative word except in the eyes of the easily offended
and the wannabe overly sensitives.
It's a made up word and if I called them "Water Buffaloes" he'd be screaming,
moaning and whining about how I'm disparaging all wonderful meskins because
it's a vieled racial slur regarding being "wetbacks".....see, wet+ backs =
water + buffalo = horrible racism!

Actually, I think meskins are really Beefaloes~! Good to eat and less fat!
No, actually we should call them White Nigers! Yah, that's the ticket!
Everyone immediately starts calling the NAACP to complain about my racism
but I simply mean white people who live in Niger...and for those highly
stupid and uneducated liberals, there really is such a country. I wouldn't
ever be accusing of being niggardly with my prose, wood I?

I call them meskins because to call those hordes of rats streaming over our
border in as mass economic refugee herd of "Mexicans" is to do diservice to
all loyal Mexicans who live and work and stay in Mexico, trying to make it a
better country rather than packing up and sneaking illegally over the border
to such our welfare system dry and live off of earnings and social security
that they hardly pay into.
Real Mexicans I respect....these low life criminal diseased quick-buck
artists and drug dealers I call "meskins" because they don't deserve my
respect nor the priveledge of being called by their proper name.

Just as they call us all gringos and yankis, I call these rats meskins.

But hey! According to liberals, meskins, the most racist of all immigrants
against blacks, it's ok for them to call us funny names and make fun of the
white men and their masters while they beg for more welfare and subsidized
housing, but not for us to make funny names of them.
The old double standard, racist in itself and pedantic to the extreme.

mapi

--
It is difficult to produce a television documentary that is both
incisive and probing when every twelve minutes one is interrupted by
twelve dancing rabbits singing about toilet paper.
-- Rod Serling

[Mapanari]

"Greg C" > babbled and bored us in
:

>
> The 'truth' is that illegal immigrants should not be denigrated...and
> they are an integral part of our economy. We all benefit from lower
> housing costs (and not just from 'scummy' contractors; my family was in
> the construction industry in Texas for decades and you delude yourself)
> and food costs. Various studies seek to offset the financial effect of
> these 'subsidies' with higher taxes for social programs, yet they are
> inconclusive (since results vary). Regardless, when you buy a home or
> produce, you are benefitting from this 'subsidy' (or did you make
> certain no illegal labor was used on your home... )
>
> Oh, BTW, I'm no liberal, so you'll have to create an original comeback.
>
> Greg C
>
No matter what lies you read in liberal newspaper, a lie told over and over
again is still a lie.

I'm not blaming you for believing in the myth that illegal immigrants are
valued members of society and put in more than they take, but it's the Big
Lie.

Illegal meskins are draining our school taxes, our prisons, our welfare
system, food stamps and in a few years the baby boom generation who paid huge
taxes to finance the social security safety net for old people are going to
to get fewer benefits and little money because illegal aliens don't pay into
the system nearly enough for all they take out.

Every illegal alien is a horrible drain on taxes, services, schools, social
security, infrastructure and more.

They fill our prisons and in crime alone they cost us a trillion dollars a
year.

They also breed like rats; their birth rate is overwhelming black inner city
birth rates which was rising for years but has leveled off due to the reforms
to the welfare rules. But meskins are breeding at 3-1 rates of whites and 2-
1 rates of blacks and 4-1 rates of asians.

Sure they build houses cheaply; you save $1,000 on the house. But that
savings put 5 black youths who otherwise would be working for a respectable
low wage but livable out on the streets dealing drugs and making babies.

That $1,000 "you" greedy homeowners save ends up costing you another $2,000 a
year in property taxes.

Take a look at the property taxes on your house in the last 10 years...it's
the same goddamned house, yet you used to pay $700 a year 10 years ago and
now you pay $4,500 a year now.
Why do you think you need to pay an extra few thousand dollars a year?
Because Austin is building great freeways? Becuase we need to finanace a
beautiful riverwalk like San Antonio? Becuase the black plague hit us and we
need to bury 2 million people in open graves and only people paid $40,000 an
hour are willing to do the job?
Nope.
For that measly $1,000 you saved on the house you're now paying for more
welfare, free clinics and hospital care, child care, new schools, more
teachers, more prisons, bigger jails, more policemen and much more.

Guess what?

If you shipped all 200,000 illegal aliens out of Austin and sent them home or
to Houston, which also loves "cheap" labor, your property taxes would go down
from $4,500 a year to $2,000 a year.

What price now, brown cow?


-- mapi
It is difficult to produce a television documentary that is both
incisive and probing when every twelve minutes one is interrupted by
twelve dancing rabbits singing about toilet paper.
-- Rod Serling

[JETman]

animaux wrote:
>
> On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 11:02:50 GMT, JETman > wrote:
>
> >Ho hum.
> >
> >Again the typical liberal antidote... Do Nothing!
>
> Oh give that banal blather a break. I think you listen to far too much Rush
> Limbaugh to actually know what it is to have compassion. Gluttony is not a good
> thing.
>


Really?? I haven't listened to Rush in years but unlike most of the
sheeple heeyah 'bouts, I tend to be aware of my surroundings. Now what
is your excuse?



> >Well honey, if you can't remove your blinders and seed the truth, may
> >you just enjoy basking in your ignorance. Or is it stupidity, another
> >commodity so familiar with liberals?
>
> Again with the liberal comment. Are you a puppet man? Are you THE puppet for
> the conservative party? Are you a monkey turning the organ crank? Do you hate
> so much that you will stave another human being? Oops, more "liberal" antidote.
>
> >Every one of your propositions have been debunked more times than I care
> >to remember so " acceptance" of illegal activity is ok, eh?
>
> Um, it seems to be that way when it comes to our vice president who fudged his
> address to make it look like he's from Montana. Want to explain how he was a
> top executive at Brown and Root, but lived in Montana? Oh yeah, then there's
> the government contracts his buddies all have now to rebuild Iraq. We are
> building hospitals for the Iraqi people. How bouts built some justice in this
> country.
>
> You have no idea what you are talking about. Typical political right. Oh,
> wassa matter, don't like being called typical? You say there's no such thing?
> Hmmm.



Yep, typical left wing whining 'n moaning. Still upset over 2000, still
in the stupor of ignorance regarding many politicos that change their
domicile for political purposes routinely, and in fact your malady
cannot be called ignorance because that can be helped. Stupidity cannot...




--
Regards,

JT (Residing in Austin, Texas)

Just Tooling Down The Internet Superhighway With my G4.......

[JETman]

Now that tops the stupidity of the thread so far... For your
information, bozo, housing costs are NOT any lower. The
developers/constructors are simply pocketing the extra profits.

How dumb can you get? Don't answer that... You just established the benchmark.

JT




Greg C wrote:
>
> The 'truth' is that illegal immigrants should not be denigrated...and they
> are an integral part of our economy. We all benefit from lower housing
> costs (and not just from 'scummy' contractors; my family was in the
> construction industry in Texas for decades and you delude yourself) and food
> costs. Various studies seek to offset the financial effect of these
> 'subsidies' with higher taxes for social programs, yet they are inconclusive
> (since results vary). Regardless, when you buy a home or produce, you are
> benefitting from this 'subsidy' (or did you make certain no illegal labor
> was used on your home... )
>
> Oh, BTW, I'm no liberal, so you'll have to create an original comeback.
>
> Greg C
>
> "JETman" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ho hum.
> >
> > Again the typical liberal antidote... Do Nothing!
> >
> > Well honey, if you can't remove your blinders and seed the truth, may
> > you just enjoy basking in your ignorance. Or is it stupidity, another
> > commodity so familiar with liberals?
> >
> > Every one of your propositions have been debunked more times than I care
> > to remember so " acceptance" of illegal activity is ok, eh?
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > JT (Residing in Austin, Texas)
> >
> > Just Tooling Down The Internet Superhighway With my G4.......

--
Regards,

JT (Residing in Austin, Texas)

Just Tooling Down The Internet Superhighway With my G4.......

[animaux]

Blither, blither, blither, blather. Blather, blither, bla.



On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 22:22:52 GMT, JETman > wrote:

>Now that tops the stupidity of the thread so far... For your
>information, bozo, housing costs are NOT any lower. The
>developers/constructors are simply pocketing the extra profits.
>
>How dumb can you get? Don't answer that... You just established the benchmark.
>
>JT
>
>
>
>
>Greg C wrote:
>>
>> The 'truth' is that illegal immigrants should not be denigrated...and they
>> are an integral part of our economy. We all benefit from lower housing
>> costs (and not just from 'scummy' contractors; my family was in the
>> construction industry in Texas for decades and you delude yourself) and food
>> costs. Various studies seek to offset the financial effect of these
>> 'subsidies' with higher taxes for social programs, yet they are inconclusive
>> (since results vary). Regardless, when you buy a home or produce, you are
>> benefitting from this 'subsidy' (or did you make certain no illegal labor
>> was used on your home... )
>>
>> Oh, BTW, I'm no liberal, so you'll have to create an original comeback.
>>
>> Greg C
>>
>> "JETman" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Ho hum.
>> >
>> > Again the typical liberal antidote... Do Nothing!
>> >
>> > Well honey, if you can't remove your blinders and seed the truth, may
>> > you just enjoy basking in your ignorance. Or is it stupidity, another
>> > commodity so familiar with liberals?
>> >
>> > Every one of your propositions have been debunked more times than I care
>> > to remember so " acceptance" of illegal activity is ok, eh?
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > JT (Residing in Austin, Texas)
>> >
>> > Just Tooling Down The Internet Superhighway With my G4.......

[JETman]

Exactly...

<snort>

JT




animaux wrote:
>
> Blither, blither, blither, blather. Blather, blither, bla.
>
> On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 22:22:52 GMT, JETman > wrote:
>
> >Now that tops the stupidity of the thread so far... For your
> >information, bozo, housing costs are NOT any lower. The
> >developers/constructors are simply pocketing the extra profits.
> >
> >How dumb can you get? Don't answer that... You just established the benchmark.
> >
> >JT
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Greg C wrote:
> >>
> >> The 'truth' is that illegal immigrants should not be denigrated...and they
> >> are an integral part of our economy. We all benefit from lower housing
> >> costs (and not just from 'scummy' contractors; my family was in the
> >> construction industry in Texas for decades and you delude yourself) and food
> >> costs. Various studies seek to offset the financial effect of these
> >> 'subsidies' with higher taxes for social programs, yet they are inconclusive
> >> (since results vary). Regardless, when you buy a home or produce, you are
> >> benefitting from this 'subsidy' (or did you make certain no illegal labor
> >> was used on your home... )
> >>
> >> Oh, BTW, I'm no liberal, so you'll have to create an original comeback.
> >>
> >> Greg C
> >>
> >> "JETman" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Ho hum.
> >> >
> >> > Again the typical liberal antidote... Do Nothing!
> >> >
> >> > Well honey, if you can't remove your blinders and seed the truth, may
> >> > you just enjoy basking in your ignorance. Or is it stupidity, another
> >> > commodity so familiar with liberals?
> >> >
> >> > Every one of your propositions have been debunked more times than I care
> >> > to remember so " acceptance" of illegal activity is ok, eh?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Regards,
> >> >
> >> > JT (Residing in Austin, Texas)
> >> >
> >> > Just Tooling Down The Internet Superhighway With my G4.......

--
Regards,

JT (Residing in Austin, Texas)

Just Tooling Down The Internet Superhighway With my G4.......

[Greg C]

No great surprise to receive such a childish response from you.

Greg

"JETman" > wrote in message
...
> Now that tops the stupidity of the thread so far... For your
> information, bozo, housing costs are NOT any lower. The
> developers/constructors are simply pocketing the extra profits.
>
> How dumb can you get? Don't answer that... You just established the
benchmark.
>
> JT
>
>

[JETman]

No great surprise that you have nothing of substance to contribute...

JT



Greg C wrote:
>
> No great surprise to receive such a childish response from you.
>
> Greg
>
> "JETman" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Now that tops the stupidity of the thread so far... For your
> > information, bozo, housing costs are NOT any lower. The
> > developers/constructors are simply pocketing the extra profits.
> >
> > How dumb can you get? Don't answer that... You just established the
> benchmark.
> >
> > JT
> >
> >

[Jim Wild]

The price is way too steep. Minorities make too many babies and we all
pay dearly for it. Our founding fathers could not foresee this tradgity
in the making.

Right to bare arms? Great! Now all the crack heads have guns. Just
great!