Help Identify Climbing Vine

[Patrick Gillette]

I live in Massachusetts and I have a few trees in my front yard who appear
to be held hostage by some kind of climbing vine.

http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/House.jpg

The leaves on the vine look very similiar to this pic of a creek dogwood
leaf;

http://ghs.gresham.k12.or.us/science/ps/nature/leaves/shrub/simppin/creek6.jpg

The vine looks very similiar to this Poison Ivy vine;

http://www.cattail.nu/ivy/ivy_berry.jpg

There are also some clusters of dried berries within the leaves. Any help is
appreciated. Thanks.

[Patrick Gillette]

"Jacqueline" > wrote in message
...
> What color are the berries?

They're dead so thy're brown. I haven't seen them bloom as I haven't been at
this house very long. I'll post some pics in the sunlight tomorrow.

[Judy]

Patrick Gillette wrote:

>>What color are the berries?
>
>
> They're dead so thy're brown. I haven't seen them bloom as I haven't been at
> this house very long. I'll post some pics in the sunlight tomorrow.
>
>
If they are brown then they must be dingleberries. You have a
dingleberry vine!

[Cereus-validus]

Poor Judy.

It must have been a long time since she's had some dingleberry pie!!!


"Judy" > wrote in message
...
> Patrick Gillette wrote:
>
> >>What color are the berries?
> >
> >
> > They're dead so thy're brown. I haven't seen them bloom as I haven't
been at
> > this house very long. I'll post some pics in the sunlight tomorrow.
> >
> >
> If they are brown then they must be dingleberries. You have a
> dingleberry vine!
>
>

[Cereus-validus]

Poor Judy.

It must have been a long time since she's had some dingleberry pie!!!


"Judy" > wrote in message
...
> Patrick Gillette wrote:
>
> >>What color are the berries?
> >
> >
> > They're dead so thy're brown. I haven't seen them bloom as I haven't
been at
> > this house very long. I'll post some pics in the sunlight tomorrow.
> >
> >
> If they are brown then they must be dingleberries. You have a
> dingleberry vine!
>
>

[Cereus-validus]

First impression was that it might be Bittersweet but it can't look like a
dogwood and poison ivy at the same time.

One would think you would have noticed the yellow fruit and bright red
fleshy seeds too.

A closeup picture of the vine itself would be more useful.


"Patrick Gillette" > wrote in message
news:I_45c.12186$Cb.268357@attbi_s51...
> I live in Massachusetts and I have a few trees in my front yard who appear
> to be held hostage by some kind of climbing vine.
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/House.jpg
>
> The leaves on the vine look very similiar to this pic of a creek dogwood
> leaf;
>
>
http://ghs.gresham.k12.or.us/science/ps/nature/leaves/shrub/simppin/creek6.jpg
>
> The vine looks very similiar to this Poison Ivy vine;
>
> http://www.cattail.nu/ivy/ivy_berry.jpg
>
> There are also some clusters of dried berries within the leaves. Any help
is
> appreciated. Thanks.
>
>

[Patrick Gillette]

Here's some pics I took today of the vine. It seems I might have 2 seperate
vine breeds on the tree.

http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00621.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00622.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00623.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00624.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00625.JPG

[Brian]

It looks like an elderly Ivy~ Hedera helix.
Best Wishes.
"Patrick Gillette" > wrote in message
news:UBn5c.16806$SR1.27721@attbi_s04...
> Here's some pics I took today of the vine. It seems I might have 2
seperate
> vine breeds on the tree.
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00621.JPG
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00622.JPG
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00623.JPG
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00624.JPG
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00625.JPG
>
>

[Patrick Gillette]

Here's some pics I took today of the vine. It seems I might have 2 seperate
vine breeds on the tree.

http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00621.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00622.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00623.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00624.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00625.JPG

[David Hill]

Just plain old Ivy.

--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk

[Brian]

It looks like an elderly Ivy~ Hedera helix.
Best Wishes.
"Patrick Gillette" > wrote in message
news:UBn5c.16806$SR1.27721@attbi_s04...
> Here's some pics I took today of the vine. It seems I might have 2
seperate
> vine breeds on the tree.
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00621.JPG
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00622.JPG
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00623.JPG
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00624.JPG
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00625.JPG
>
>

[David Hill]

Just plain old Ivy.

--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk

[Patrick Gillette]

Ok so most of it seems to be Hedera helix. But what about the other vine, it
has different leaves and berries.

http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00624.JPG

Do I ahev to worry about the vines killing the trees? Thanks.

[Patrick Gillette]

Answered my own question. :) the 2 different leaves are 2 different life
stages of the ivy. As far as it killing the tree, it may or it may not.
Article here:

http://www.detnews.com/2004/garden/0403/02/e08-75766.htm

Thanks everybody for your help.

[Patrick Gillette]

Here's some pics I took today of the vine. It seems I might have 2 seperate
vine breeds on the tree.

http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00621.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00622.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00623.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00624.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00625.JPG

[Brian]

It looks like an elderly Ivy~ Hedera helix.
Best Wishes.
"Patrick Gillette" > wrote in message
news:UBn5c.16806$SR1.27721@attbi_s04...
> Here's some pics I took today of the vine. It seems I might have 2
seperate
> vine breeds on the tree.
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00621.JPG
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00622.JPG
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00623.JPG
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00624.JPG
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00625.JPG
>
>

[Brian]

Ivy does no harm to trees but pulls the plastering and pointing off walls.
Best Wishes
"Patrick Gillette" > wrote in message
news:wlp5c.17789$SR1.27432@attbi_s04...
> Ok so most of it seems to be Hedera helix. But what about the other vine,
it
> has different leaves and berries.
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00624.JPG
>
> Do I ahev to worry about the vines killing the trees? Thanks.
>
>

[David Hill]

Just plain old Ivy.

--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk

[Patrick Gillette]

Ok so most of it seems to be Hedera helix. But what about the other vine, it
has different leaves and berries.

http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00624.JPG

Do I ahev to worry about the vines killing the trees? Thanks.

[Patrick Gillette]

Answered my own question. :) the 2 different leaves are 2 different life
stages of the ivy. As far as it killing the tree, it may or it may not.
Article here:

http://www.detnews.com/2004/garden/0403/02/e08-75766.htm

Thanks everybody for your help.

[Frogleg]

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:48:39 GMT, "Patrick Gillette"
> wrote:

>Answered my own question. :) the 2 different leaves are 2 different life
>stages of the ivy. As far as it killing the tree, it may or it may not.
>Article here:
>
>http://www.detnews.com/2004/garden/0403/02/e08-75766.htm

The 2nd plant is *not* a different stage of ivy. Ivy doens't have
little acorn-shaped fruit/seed. Cereoid will eventually take a look at
the last picture in your series and tell us what it is.

[Brian]

Ivy does no harm to trees but pulls the plastering and pointing off walls.
Best Wishes
"Patrick Gillette" > wrote in message
news:wlp5c.17789$SR1.27432@attbi_s04...
> Ok so most of it seems to be Hedera helix. But what about the other vine,
it
> has different leaves and berries.
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00624.JPG
>
> Do I ahev to worry about the vines killing the trees? Thanks.
>
>

[Patrick Gillette]

Ok so most of it seems to be Hedera helix. But what about the other vine, it
has different leaves and berries.

http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00624.JPG

Do I ahev to worry about the vines killing the trees? Thanks.

[Patrick Gillette]

Answered my own question. :) the 2 different leaves are 2 different life
stages of the ivy. As far as it killing the tree, it may or it may not.
Article here:

http://www.detnews.com/2004/garden/0403/02/e08-75766.htm

Thanks everybody for your help.

[Brian]

Ivy does no harm to trees but pulls the plastering and pointing off walls.
Best Wishes
"Patrick Gillette" > wrote in message
news:wlp5c.17789$SR1.27432@attbi_s04...
> Ok so most of it seems to be Hedera helix. But what about the other vine,
it
> has different leaves and berries.
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00624.JPG
>
> Do I ahev to worry about the vines killing the trees? Thanks.
>
>

[Frogleg]

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:48:39 GMT, "Patrick Gillette"
> wrote:

>Answered my own question. :) the 2 different leaves are 2 different life
>stages of the ivy. As far as it killing the tree, it may or it may not.
>Article here:
>
>http://www.detnews.com/2004/garden/0403/02/e08-75766.htm

The 2nd plant is *not* a different stage of ivy. Ivy doens't have
little acorn-shaped fruit/seed. Cereoid will eventually take a look at
the last picture in your series and tell us what it is.

[griffon]

Frogleg >, if you're frightened, you can be
frightened, it's okay:

>On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:48:39 GMT, "Patrick Gillette"
> wrote:
>
>>Answered my own question. :) the 2 different leaves are 2 different life
>>stages of the ivy. As far as it killing the tree, it may or it may not.
>>Article here:
>>
>>http://www.detnews.com/2004/garden/0403/02/e08-75766.htm
>
>The 2nd plant is *not* a different stage of ivy. Ivy doens't have
>little acorn-shaped fruit/seed. Cereoid will eventually take a look at
>the last picture in your series and tell us what it is.

http://www.hear.org/starr/hiplants/images/600max/html/starr_010419_0018_hedera_helix.htm

[griffon]

Frogleg >, if you're frightened, you can be
frightened, it's okay:

>On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:48:39 GMT, "Patrick Gillette"
> wrote:
>
>>Answered my own question. :) the 2 different leaves are 2 different life
>>stages of the ivy. As far as it killing the tree, it may or it may not.
>>Article here:
>>
>>http://www.detnews.com/2004/garden/0403/02/e08-75766.htm
>
>The 2nd plant is *not* a different stage of ivy. Ivy doens't have
>little acorn-shaped fruit/seed. Cereoid will eventually take a look at
>the last picture in your series and tell us what it is.

http://www.hear.org/starr/hiplants/images/600max/html/starr_010419_0018_hedera_helix.htm

[Frogleg]

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:48:39 GMT, "Patrick Gillette"
> wrote:

>Answered my own question. :) the 2 different leaves are 2 different life
>stages of the ivy. As far as it killing the tree, it may or it may not.
>Article here:
>
>http://www.detnews.com/2004/garden/0403/02/e08-75766.htm

The 2nd plant is *not* a different stage of ivy. Ivy doens't have
little acorn-shaped fruit/seed. Cereoid will eventually take a look at
the last picture in your series and tell us what it is.

[griffon]

Frogleg >, if you're frightened, you can be
frightened, it's okay:

>On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:48:39 GMT, "Patrick Gillette"
> wrote:
>
>>Answered my own question. :) the 2 different leaves are 2 different life
>>stages of the ivy. As far as it killing the tree, it may or it may not.
>>Article here:
>>
>>http://www.detnews.com/2004/garden/0403/02/e08-75766.htm
>
>The 2nd plant is *not* a different stage of ivy. Ivy doens't have
>little acorn-shaped fruit/seed. Cereoid will eventually take a look at
>the last picture in your series and tell us what it is.

http://www.hear.org/starr/hiplants/images/600max/html/starr_010419_0018_hedera_helix.htm

[David Hill]

I would say the other is still Ivy, just a different variety .
They come in a wide variety of leaf shapes and sizes, I have one with leaves
growing to over 10 inches in width.
As a point of interest, If you want to grow an "Ivy Bush", then take
cuttings from the Ivy high up where it has changed from a climber to a
shrubby plant, these plants when rooted will keep the bushy habit and wont
revert to climbing

--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk

[Patrick Gillette]

Xref: kermit rec.gardens:268364

I found this picture once the vine was identified as English Ivy. Seems to
me they're both the same plant, no?

http://www.hort.agri.umn.edu/h5015/00papers/okerman_files/image007.gif

[nancyg@tblake.zzn.com]

"Patrick Gillette" > wrote in message news:<UBn5c.16806$SR1.27721@attbi_s04>...
> Here's some pics I took today of the vine. It seems I might have 2 seperate
> vine breeds on the tree.
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00621.JPG
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00622.JPG
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00623.JPG
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00624.JPG
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00625.JPG

pic 625 is English Ivy

pic 624 may be Bittersweet. The bittersweet berries are bright red in
the fall with a darker brown shell that opens around them. If the
berries are old, or were frozen prior to openning, it could account
for the brown colcor now.

[nancyg@tblake.zzn.com]

"Patrick Gillette" > wrote in message news:<UBn5c.16806$SR1.27721@attbi_s04>...
> Here's some pics I took today of the vine. It seems I might have 2 seperate
> vine breeds on the tree.
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00621.JPG
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00622.JPG
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00623.JPG
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00624.JPG
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00625.JPG

pic 625 is English Ivy

pic 624 may be Bittersweet. The bittersweet berries are bright red in
the fall with a darker brown shell that opens around them. If the
berries are old, or were frozen prior to openning, it could account
for the brown colcor now.

[Cereus-validus]

I am really disappointed. You got my hopes up for nothing. The vine has
absolutely no resemblance to either Dogwood nor Poison Ivy.

That's just plain old common "English Ivy" (Hedera helix) and nothing
special.


"Patrick Gillette" > wrote in message
news:UBn5c.16806$SR1.27721@attbi_s04...
> Here's some pics I took today of the vine. It seems I might have 2
seperate
> vine breeds on the tree.
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00621.JPG
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00622.JPG
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00623.JPG
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00624.JPG
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00625.JPG
>
>

[Cereus-validus]

I am really disappointed. You got my hopes up for nothing. The vine has
absolutely no resemblance to either Dogwood nor Poison Ivy.

That's just plain old common "English Ivy" (Hedera helix) and nothing
special.


"Patrick Gillette" > wrote in message
news:UBn5c.16806$SR1.27721@attbi_s04...
> Here's some pics I took today of the vine. It seems I might have 2
seperate
> vine breeds on the tree.
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00621.JPG
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00622.JPG
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00623.JPG
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00624.JPG
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00625.JPG
>
>

[Cereus-validus]

Tha's just the adult fruiting phase of English Ivy (Hedera helix). Still
nothing special.


"Patrick Gillette" > wrote in message
news:wlp5c.17789$SR1.27432@attbi_s04...
> Ok so most of it seems to be Hedera helix. But what about the other vine,
it
> has different leaves and berries.
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00624.JPG
>
> Do I ahev to worry about the vines killing the trees? Thanks.
>
>

[Cereus-validus]

Tha's just the adult fruiting phase of English Ivy (Hedera helix). Still
nothing special.


"Patrick Gillette" > wrote in message
news:wlp5c.17789$SR1.27432@attbi_s04...
> Ok so most of it seems to be Hedera helix. But what about the other vine,
it
> has different leaves and berries.
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00624.JPG
>
> Do I ahev to worry about the vines killing the trees? Thanks.
>
>

[Cereus-validus]

Tha's just the adult fruiting phase of English Ivy (Hedera helix). Still
nothing special.


"Patrick Gillette" > wrote in message
news:wlp5c.17789$SR1.27432@attbi_s04...
> Ok so most of it seems to be Hedera helix. But what about the other vine,
it
> has different leaves and berries.
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00624.JPG
>
> Do I ahev to worry about the vines killing the trees? Thanks.
>
>

[Cereus-validus]

Tha's just the adult fruiting phase of English Ivy (Hedera helix). Still
nothing special.


"Patrick Gillette" > wrote in message
news:wlp5c.17789$SR1.27432@attbi_s04...
> Ok so most of it seems to be Hedera helix. But what about the other vine,
it
> has different leaves and berries.
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00624.JPG
>
> Do I ahev to worry about the vines killing the trees? Thanks.
>
>

[Cereus-validus]

Yes it is the adult phase of Hedera helix. The berries have lasted past
their maturity and have begun to dry out.


"Frogleg" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:48:39 GMT, "Patrick Gillette"
> > wrote:
>
> >Answered my own question. :) the 2 different leaves are 2 different life
> >stages of the ivy. As far as it killing the tree, it may or it may not.
> >Article here:
> >
> >http://www.detnews.com/2004/garden/0403/02/e08-75766.htm
>
> The 2nd plant is *not* a different stage of ivy. Ivy doens't have
> little acorn-shaped fruit/seed. Cereoid will eventually take a look at
> the last picture in your series and tell us what it is.

[Cereus-validus]

Not Bittersweet. Both are Hedera helix, the juvenille and adult fruiting
phases.

Actually Bittersweet has yellow capsules that split open to reveal the seeds
with a fleshy red coat. Hedera helix has blackish berries.


> wrote in message
m...
> "Patrick Gillette" > wrote in message
news:<UBn5c.16806$SR1.27721@attbi_s04>...
> > Here's some pics I took today of the vine. It seems I might have 2
seperate
> > vine breeds on the tree.
> >
> > http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00621.JPG
> > http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00622.JPG
> > http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00623.JPG
> > http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00624.JPG
> > http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00625.JPG
>
> pic 625 is English Ivy
>
> pic 624 may be Bittersweet. The bittersweet berries are bright red in
> the fall with a darker brown shell that opens around them. If the
> berries are old, or were frozen prior to openning, it could account
> for the brown colcor now.

[Cereus-validus]

Yes it is the adult phase of Hedera helix. The berries have lasted past
their maturity and have begun to dry out.


"Frogleg" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:48:39 GMT, "Patrick Gillette"
> > wrote:
>
> >Answered my own question. :) the 2 different leaves are 2 different life
> >stages of the ivy. As far as it killing the tree, it may or it may not.
> >Article here:
> >
> >http://www.detnews.com/2004/garden/0403/02/e08-75766.htm
>
> The 2nd plant is *not* a different stage of ivy. Ivy doens't have
> little acorn-shaped fruit/seed. Cereoid will eventually take a look at
> the last picture in your series and tell us what it is.

[Cereus-validus]

Not Bittersweet. Both are Hedera helix, the juvenille and adult fruiting
phases.

Actually Bittersweet has yellow capsules that split open to reveal the seeds
with a fleshy red coat. Hedera helix has blackish berries.


> wrote in message
m...
> "Patrick Gillette" > wrote in message
news:<UBn5c.16806$SR1.27721@attbi_s04>...
> > Here's some pics I took today of the vine. It seems I might have 2
seperate
> > vine breeds on the tree.
> >
> > http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00621.JPG
> > http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00622.JPG
> > http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00623.JPG
> > http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00624.JPG
> > http://home.comcast.net/~patrick.gillette/DSC00625.JPG
>
> pic 625 is English Ivy
>
> pic 624 may be Bittersweet. The bittersweet berries are bright red in
> the fall with a darker brown shell that opens around them. If the
> berries are old, or were frozen prior to openning, it could account
> for the brown colcor now.

[zhanataya]

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:53:30 GMT, "Cereus-validus"
> wrote:

>Poor Judy.
>
>It must have been a long time since she's had some dingleberry pie!!!

Good Grief Stephen. The definition of dingleberry must have changed
between your generation and mine.

zhan

[zhanataya]

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:53:30 GMT, "Cereus-validus"
> wrote:

>Poor Judy.
>
>It must have been a long time since she's had some dingleberry pie!!!

Good Grief Stephen. The definition of dingleberry must have changed
between your generation and mine.

zhan

[no one]

Xref: kermit rec.gardens:268381


Are your conversations with Joanna filled with innuendo?


On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:53:30 GMT, "Cereus-validus"
> wrote:

>Poor Judy.
>
>It must have been a long time since she's had some dingleberry pie!!!
>
>
>"Judy" > wrote in message
...
>> Patrick Gillette wrote:
>>
>> >>What color are the berries?
>> >
>> >
>> > They're dead so thy're brown. I haven't seen them bloom as I haven't
>been at
>> > this house very long. I'll post some pics in the sunlight tomorrow.
>> >
>> >
>> If they are brown then they must be dingleberries. You have a
>> dingleberry vine!
>>
>>
>

[no one]

Xref: kermit rec.gardens:268381


Are your conversations with Joanna filled with innuendo?


On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:53:30 GMT, "Cereus-validus"
> wrote:

>Poor Judy.
>
>It must have been a long time since she's had some dingleberry pie!!!
>
>
>"Judy" > wrote in message
...
>> Patrick Gillette wrote:
>>
>> >>What color are the berries?
>> >
>> >
>> > They're dead so thy're brown. I haven't seen them bloom as I haven't
>been at
>> > this house very long. I'll post some pics in the sunlight tomorrow.
>> >
>> >
>> If they are brown then they must be dingleberries. You have a
>> dingleberry vine!
>>
>>
>

[Cereus-validus]

Did you see what that kid did with an apple pie in "American Pie"?


"zhanataya" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:53:30 GMT, "Cereus-validus"
> > wrote:
>
> >Poor Judy.
> >
> >It must have been a long time since she's had some dingleberry pie!!!
>
> Good Grief Stephen. The definition of dingleberry must have changed
> between your generation and mine.
>
> zhan

[Cereus-validus]

Did you see what that kid did with an apple pie in "American Pie"?


"zhanataya" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:53:30 GMT, "Cereus-validus"
> > wrote:
>
> >Poor Judy.
> >
> >It must have been a long time since she's had some dingleberry pie!!!
>
> Good Grief Stephen. The definition of dingleberry must have changed
> between your generation and mine.
>
> zhan

[Cereus-validus]

You still haven't gotten a life of your own, you antisocial dong sucker?
Forrest Gump's mother would bitch slap you back into the slime you crawled
out from.

Maybe you and Judy could get together and the two of you can watch each
other abuse yourselves with pies?


"no one" > wrote in message
...
>
> Are your conversations with Joanna filled with innuendo?
>
>
> On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:53:30 GMT, "Cereus-validus"
> > wrote:
>
> >Poor Judy.
> >
> >It must have been a long time since she's had some dingleberry pie!!!
> >
> >
> >"Judy" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Patrick Gillette wrote:
> >>
> >> >>What color are the berries?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > They're dead so thy're brown. I haven't seen them bloom as I haven't
> >been at
> >> > this house very long. I'll post some pics in the sunlight tomorrow.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> If they are brown then they must be dingleberries. You have a
> >> dingleberry vine!
> >>
> >>
> >
>

[Cereus-validus]

You still haven't gotten a life of your own, you antisocial dong sucker?
Forrest Gump's mother would bitch slap you back into the slime you crawled
out from.

Maybe you and Judy could get together and the two of you can watch each
other abuse yourselves with pies?


"no one" > wrote in message
...
>
> Are your conversations with Joanna filled with innuendo?
>
>
> On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:53:30 GMT, "Cereus-validus"
> > wrote:
>
> >Poor Judy.
> >
> >It must have been a long time since she's had some dingleberry pie!!!
> >
> >
> >"Judy" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Patrick Gillette wrote:
> >>
> >> >>What color are the berries?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > They're dead so thy're brown. I haven't seen them bloom as I haven't
> >been at
> >> > this house very long. I'll post some pics in the sunlight tomorrow.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> If they are brown then they must be dingleberries. You have a
> >> dingleberry vine!
> >>
> >>
> >
>

[Frogleg]

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:54:15 -0600, griffon >
wrote:

>Frogleg >
>
>>On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:48:39 GMT, "Patrick Gillette"
> wrote:
>>
>>>Answered my own question. :) the 2 different leaves are 2 different life
>>>stages of the ivy.
>>
>>The 2nd plant is *not* a different stage of ivy. Ivy doens't have
>>little acorn-shaped fruit/seed.
>
>http://www.hear.org/starr/hiplants/images/600max/html/starr_010419_0018_hedera_helix.htm

Son of a bitch! I have never seen or heard of anything this. If this
is English ivy, then what is the plant identical to the 'mature'
leaf/stem that's crawling all over my yard and trees with never a sign
of 'immature' leaves, fruit, or seeds?

I stand corrected.

[Frogleg]

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 16:54:15 -0600, griffon >
wrote:

>Frogleg >
>
>>On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:48:39 GMT, "Patrick Gillette"
> wrote:
>>
>>>Answered my own question. :) the 2 different leaves are 2 different life
>>>stages of the ivy.
>>
>>The 2nd plant is *not* a different stage of ivy. Ivy doens't have
>>little acorn-shaped fruit/seed.
>
>http://www.hear.org/starr/hiplants/images/600max/html/starr_010419_0018_hedera_helix.htm

Son of a bitch! I have never seen or heard of anything this. If this
is English ivy, then what is the plant identical to the 'mature'
leaf/stem that's crawling all over my yard and trees with never a sign
of 'immature' leaves, fruit, or seeds?

I stand corrected.

[Frogleg]

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 02:09:21 GMT, "Cereus-validus"
> wrote:

>Not Bittersweet. Both are Hedera helix, the juvenille and adult fruiting
>phases.
>
>Actually Bittersweet has yellow capsules that split open to reveal the seeds
>with a fleshy red coat. Hedera helix has blackish berries.

If the oval leaves and fruit are the *mature* phase, how come the stem
is so much narrower?

[Frogleg]

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 02:09:21 GMT, "Cereus-validus"
> wrote:

>Not Bittersweet. Both are Hedera helix, the juvenille and adult fruiting
>phases.
>
>Actually Bittersweet has yellow capsules that split open to reveal the seeds
>with a fleshy red coat. Hedera helix has blackish berries.

If the oval leaves and fruit are the *mature* phase, how come the stem
is so much narrower?

[Frogleg]

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 02:09:21 GMT, "Cereus-validus"
> wrote:

>Not Bittersweet. Both are Hedera helix, the juvenille and adult fruiting
>phases.
>
>Actually Bittersweet has yellow capsules that split open to reveal the seeds
>with a fleshy red coat. Hedera helix has blackish berries.

If the oval leaves and fruit are the *mature* phase, how come the stem
is so much narrower?

[zhanataya]

Xref: kermit rec.gardens:268463


I missed it. Heard it was good though. What'd he do?

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 03:25:31 GMT, "Cereus-validus"
> wrote:

>Did you see what that kid did with an apple pie in "American Pie"?
>
>
>"zhanataya" > wrote in message
...
>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:53:30 GMT, "Cereus-validus"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >Poor Judy.
>> >
>> >It must have been a long time since she's had some dingleberry pie!!!
>>
>> Good Grief Stephen. The definition of dingleberry must have changed
>> between your generation and mine.
>>
>> zhan
>

[zhanataya]

Xref: kermit rec.gardens:268463


I missed it. Heard it was good though. What'd he do?

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 03:25:31 GMT, "Cereus-validus"
> wrote:

>Did you see what that kid did with an apple pie in "American Pie"?
>
>
>"zhanataya" > wrote in message
...
>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:53:30 GMT, "Cereus-validus"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >Poor Judy.
>> >
>> >It must have been a long time since she's had some dingleberry pie!!!
>>
>> Good Grief Stephen. The definition of dingleberry must have changed
>> between your generation and mine.
>>
>> zhan
>

[zhanataya]

Xref: kermit rec.gardens:268463


I missed it. Heard it was good though. What'd he do?

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 03:25:31 GMT, "Cereus-validus"
> wrote:

>Did you see what that kid did with an apple pie in "American Pie"?
>
>
>"zhanataya" > wrote in message
...
>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:53:30 GMT, "Cereus-validus"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >Poor Judy.
>> >
>> >It must have been a long time since she's had some dingleberry pie!!!
>>
>> Good Grief Stephen. The definition of dingleberry must have changed
>> between your generation and mine.
>>
>> zhan
>

[Cereus-validus]

Ask the maker. All I can tell you is that it is so.

Polymorphism is not unusual among vining plants. Some tropical species may
even go through three distinctively different growth phases to reach the
flowering stage. This has been well documented for the genus Monstera in the
Araceae and several other genera in a wide variety of plant families,
especially Cucurbitaceae and Passifloraceae.


"Frogleg" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 02:09:21 GMT, "Cereus-validus"
> > wrote:
>
> >Not Bittersweet. Both are Hedera helix, the juvenille and adult fruiting
> >phases.
> >
> >Actually Bittersweet has yellow capsules that split open to reveal the
seeds
> >with a fleshy red coat. Hedera helix has blackish berries.
>
> If the oval leaves and fruit are the *mature* phase, how come the stem
> is so much narrower?

[Cereus-validus]

He stuck his manhood in a fresh baked apple pie because someone (a
troublemaker) at school told him that it felt like having sex with a woman.

Then his father walked in on him and......................

(Film at eleven.)


"zhanataya" > wrote in message
...
>
> I missed it. Heard it was good though. What'd he do?
>
> On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 03:25:31 GMT, "Cereus-validus"
> > wrote:
>
> >Did you see what that kid did with an apple pie in "American Pie"?
> >
> >
> >"zhanataya" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:53:30 GMT, "Cereus-validus"
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >Poor Judy.
> >> >
> >> >It must have been a long time since she's had some dingleberry pie!!!
> >>
> >> Good Grief Stephen. The definition of dingleberry must have changed
> >> between your generation and mine.
> >>
> >> zhan
> >
>

[zhanataya]

Xref: kermit rec.gardens:268552

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:18:06 GMT, "Cereus-validus"
> wrote:

>He stuck his manhood in a fresh baked apple pie because someone (a
>troublemaker) at school told him that it felt like having sex with a woman.
>
>Then his father walked in on him and......................
>
>(Film at eleven.)
>
OK I'm headed for Blockbuster. I'll rent this one, if only to see
the scene you just described. I'm still giggling.

[zhanataya]

Xref: kermit rec.gardens:268552

On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:18:06 GMT, "Cereus-validus"
> wrote:

>He stuck his manhood in a fresh baked apple pie because someone (a
>troublemaker) at school told him that it felt like having sex with a woman.
>
>Then his father walked in on him and......................
>
>(Film at eleven.)
>
OK I'm headed for Blockbuster. I'll rent this one, if only to see
the scene you just described. I'm still giggling.

[no one]

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 03:30:47 GMT, "Cereus-validus"
> wrote:

>You still haven't gotten a life of your own, you antisocial dong sucker?
Does living with your mother create these gay fantasies?
>Forrest Gump's mother would bitch slap you back into the slime you crawled
>out from.
Bitch slap, now there's a commentary projecting the view of a momma's
boy! Does Joanna regularly backhand you? Did she teach you to hate
women and promote abuse?
>
>Maybe you and Judy could get together and the two of you can watch each
>other abuse yourselves with pies?
>
>
>"no one" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> Are your conversations with Joanna filled with innuendo?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:53:30 GMT, "Cereus-validus"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >Poor Judy.
>> >
>> >It must have been a long time since she's had some dingleberry pie!!!
>> >
>> >
>> >"Judy" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> Patrick Gillette wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >>What color are the berries?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > They're dead so thy're brown. I haven't seen them bloom as I haven't
>> >been at
>> >> > this house very long. I'll post some pics in the sunlight tomorrow.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> If they are brown then they must be dingleberries. You have a
>> >> dingleberry vine!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>