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David Fawthrop
04-06-2004, 10:02 PM
Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
shot him in the foot.
Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip
04-06-2004, 11:02 PM
Be still and pray homage to David Fawthrop who posted this on 04 Jun
2004...
> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> shot him in the foot.
Did he die?
--
The Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip
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"Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with
the rod, he shall not die." -- Proverbs 23:13 (AV)
Vox Humana
05-06-2004, 12:03 AM
"David Fawthrop" > wrote in message
...
> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> shot him in the foot.
It was probably the most exciting thing that ever happed in Painesville.
Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip
05-06-2004, 12:03 AM
Be still and pray homage to Vox Humana who posted this on 04 Jun 2004...
>
> "David Fawthrop" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>> shot him in the foot.
>
> It was probably the most exciting thing that ever happed in Painesville.
It's boring there, I agree.
--
The Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip
VISIT ME ONLINE AT: http://peterparsnip.blogspot.com/
"Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with
the rod, he shall not die." -- Proverbs 23:13 (AV)
Illogic Bomb
05-06-2004, 01:02 AM
David Fawthrop > wrote in
:
> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> shot him in the foot.
>
So he wasn't really shot by a lawnmower.
--
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"Can we put the recent unpleasantness behind us?"
- Craig "Fatboi" Oldfield
Illogic Bomb
05-06-2004, 01:02 AM
go@fish (Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip) wrote in
-vegetables:
> Be still and pray homage to David Fawthrop who posted this on 04 Jun
> 2004...
>
>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>> shot him in the foot.
>
> Did he die?
>
Not unless his brain was in his foot or something.
--
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http://philkyle2003.reachme.at/
"Can we put the recent unpleasantness behind us?"
- Craig "Fatboi" Oldfield
Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip
05-06-2004, 01:04 AM
Be still and pray homage to Illogic Bomb who posted this on 04 Jun 2004...
> go@fish (Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip) wrote in
> -vegetables:
>
>> Be still and pray homage to David Fawthrop who posted this on 04 Jun
>> 2004...
>>
>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>>> shot him in the foot.
>>
>> Did he die?
>>
>
> Not unless his brain was in his foot or something.
He could have bled to death.
--
The Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip
VISIT ME ONLINE AT: http://peterparsnip.blogspot.com/
"Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with
the rod, he shall not die." -- Proverbs 23:13 (AV)
Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip
05-06-2004, 01:06 AM
Be still and pray homage to Illogic Bomb who posted this on 04 Jun 2004...
> David Fawthrop > wrote in
> :
>
>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>> shot him in the foot.
>
> So he wasn't really shot by a lawnmower.
Shit post.
--
The Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip
VISIT ME ONLINE AT: http://peterparsnip.blogspot.com/
"Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with
the rod, he shall not die." -- Proverbs 23:13 (AV)
"Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip" <go@fish> wrote in message
-vegetables...
> Be still and pray homage to Illogic Bomb who posted this on 04 Jun
2004...
>
> > David Fawthrop > wrote in
> > :
> >
> >> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> >> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> >> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> >> shot him in the foot.
> >
> > So he wasn't really shot by a lawnmower.
>
> Shit post.
Pot, meet kettle.
And please keep boring shite like this out of the Ohio State ng. "Ohio
State" is a rather large university with a rather important football team,
and this group sticks mainly to topics involving one or both of those. I
realize that our cousins across the pond might not know that, but we don't
go to the Man U. group just because some ****** at a restaurant called
Manchesters choked on a chip.
Thanks, and rah rah coalition of the willing.
Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip
05-06-2004, 02:02 AM
Be still and pray homage to milo who posted this on 04 Jun 2004...
>
> "Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip" <go@fish> wrote in message
> -vegetables...
>> Be still and pray homage to Illogic Bomb who posted this on 04 Jun
>> 2004...
>>
>> > David Fawthrop > wrote in
>> > :
>> >
>> >> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>> >> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he
>> >> cut the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off
>> >> and shot him in the foot.
>> >
>> > So he wasn't really shot by a lawnmower.
>>
>> Shit post.
>
> Pot, meet kettle.
>
> And please keep boring shite like this out of the Ohio State ng. "Ohio
> State" is a rather large university with a rather important football
> team, and this group sticks mainly to topics involving one or both of
> those. I realize that our cousins across the pond might not know that,
> but we don't go to the Man U. group just because some ****** at a
> restaurant called Manchesters choked on a chip.
>
> Thanks, and rah rah coalition of the willing.
Coalition!
--
The Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip
VISIT ME ONLINE AT: http://peterparsnip.blogspot.com/
"Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with
the rod, he shall not die." -- Proverbs 23:13 (AV)
TOM KAN PA
05-06-2004, 03:06 AM
There's gotta be a punchline coming sooner or later!
eclectic
05-06-2004, 09:03 AM
"TOM KAN PA" > wrote in message
...
> There's gotta be a punchline coming sooner or later!
>
You must be psychic. From:
http://members.fortunecity.com/melosh/true.html
"Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville Ohio gained the dubious distinction of being
the first man ever to be shot by a LAWNMOWER! As he cut his grass one summer
evening he ran over a live bullet hidden in the grass which went off and shot
him in the foot. Luckily his wife saw the funny side of it, and mowed the rest
of the lawn herself!"
Cereus-validus
05-06-2004, 05:02 PM
Best excuse yet for getting the old lady to cut the grass!!!
"eclectic" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "TOM KAN PA" > wrote in message
> ...
> > There's gotta be a punchline coming sooner or later!
> >
> You must be psychic. From:
> http://members.fortunecity.com/melosh/true.html
>
> "Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville Ohio gained the dubious distinction of
being
> the first man ever to be shot by a LAWNMOWER! As he cut his grass one
summer
> evening he ran over a live bullet hidden in the grass which went off and
shot
> him in the foot. Luckily his wife saw the funny side of it, and mowed the
rest
> of the lawn herself!"
>
>
Arthur
06-06-2004, 12:04 AM
He might be a contortionist that contorts while he mows.
Arthur
"Illogic Bomb" > wrote in message
s.com...
> go@fish (Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip) wrote in
> -vegetables:
>
> > Be still and pray homage to David Fawthrop who posted this on 04 Jun
> > 2004...
> >
> >> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> >> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> >> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> >> shot him in the foot.
> >
> > Did he die?
> >
>
> Not unless his brain was in his foot or something.
>
> --
> Phil Kyle, Interweb Leg end
>
> http://philkyle2003.reachme.at/
>
> "Can we put the recent unpleasantness behind us?"
>
> - Craig "Fatboi" Oldfield
>
>
>
>
Ian Stirling
06-06-2004, 07:03 AM
In uk.d-i-y Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip <go@fish> wrote:
> Be still and pray homage to Illogic Bomb who posted this on 04 Jun 2004...
>
>> go@fish (Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip) wrote in
>> -vegetables:
>>
>>> Be still and pray homage to David Fawthrop who posted this on 04 Jun
>>> 2004...
>>>
>>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>>>> shot him in the foot.
>>>
>>> Did he die?
>>>
>>
>> Not unless his brain was in his foot or something.
>
> He could have bled to death.
Unlikely.
When you set off a cartridge that's not inside a gun, if it's unrestrained
the brass simply shoots off the bullet (which is heavier) at a relatively
low velocity, due to the very low pressure.
If it is restrained, it bursts the cartridge, again at a very low pressure,
and with a very short 'barrel', little speed is reached by the bullet.
>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>> shot him in the foot.
It made for a good newspaper headline, but it's far fetched. If the
slug lodged in his foot, it was probably flung there by the mower
blade. When a bullet is "fired" outside a firearm, the bullet, being
heavier doesn't go very far. The shell case, being lighter flys
farther and at a higher speed. I don't have the reference handy at
the moment, but my recollection was that the experiments documenting
this were done by the miilitary using 30-06 ammunition.
RWL
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Paul Mc Cann
08-06-2004, 04:41 PM
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In article >,
says...
> In uk.d-i-y Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip <go@fish> wrote:
> > Be still and pray homage to Illogic Bomb who posted this on 04 Jun 2004...
> >
> >> go@fish (Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip) wrote in
> >> -vegetables:
> >>
> >>> Be still and pray homage to David Fawthrop who posted this on 04 Jun
> >>> 2004...
> >>>
> >>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> >>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> >>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> >>>> shot him in the foot.
> >>>
> >>> Did he die?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Not unless his brain was in his foot or something.
> >
> > He could have bled to death.
>
> Unlikely.
> When you set off a cartridge that's not inside a gun, if it's unrestrained
> the brass simply shoots off the bullet (which is heavier) at a relatively
> low velocity, due to the very low pressure.
> If it is restrained, it bursts the cartridge, again at a very low pressure,
> and with a very short 'barrel', little speed is reached by the bullet.
>
I wouldn't be an expert but I was present when a 22 round went off after
being struck with a nail (don't ask) and it scared the s***t out of me
as it definitely attained some velocity
Paul Mc Cann
Dave Fawthrop
08-06-2004, 04:45 PM
On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 20:40:42 +0100, David Fawthrop > wrote:
| Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
| the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
| the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
| shot him in the foot.
Guess why they hate me
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J. Del Col
08-06-2004, 04:45 PM
David Fawthrop > wrote in message >...
> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> shot him in the foot.
This is nonsense.
When a cartridge detonates outside a gun's chamber, the bullet barely
moves. The cartridge case may split and the primer may go flying, but
the bullet travels only a short distance at low velocity. An
unconfined bullet can't develop the pressure necessary to hit with any
force. This has been confirmed by repeated tests. .
If the bullet or case was struck by the blade and sent flying, that's
a different story.
J. Del Col
J. Del Col wrote:
>...When a cartridge detonates outside a gun's chamber, the bullet barely
> moves. The cartridge case may split and the primer may go flying, but
> the bullet travels only a short distance at low velocity. An
> unconfined bullet can't develop the pressure necessary to hit with any
> force. This has been confirmed by repeated tests...
When I was a kid and didn't know any better, we made a gun from a cap
pistol, the kind that used the circular array of 6 caps. We drilled out
the cylinder to fit a .22 caliber bullet and filed down the hammer to
hit at the edge of the shell. The barrel was clear and about 1/2"
diameter. Having done all this, we went out to the field and fired it at
a bottle. After firing 20 or 30 rounds and apparently not hitting the
bottle, we put the muzzle right into the neck of the bottle and fired.
The slug bounced around in the bottom of the intact bottle.
The cylinder must have fit the shell fairly well, because the brass came
out easily (no flaring of the end), but there was nothing past the
cylinder, so the gas from the powder burning just blew by the slug and
it got no appreciable velocity.
This sounds very much like the equally unlikely story of the redneck who
blew a fuse in his truck and replaced it with a .22 cartridge, which
then heated up and exploded, shooting him in the leg or somewhere.
Bill Oliver
08-06-2004, 04:59 PM
In article >,
RWL > wrote:
>
>
>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>>> shot him in the foot.
>
>It made for a good newspaper headline, but it's far fetched. If the
>slug lodged in his foot, it was probably flung there by the mower
>blade. When a bullet is "fired" outside a firearm, the bullet, being
>heavier doesn't go very far. The shell case, being lighter flys
>farther and at a higher speed. I don't have the reference handy at
>the moment, but my recollection was that the experiments documenting
>this were done by the miilitary using 30-06 ammunition.
>
>RWL
>
You are absolutely correct. As noted by Vince DiMaio in "Gunshot Wounds:
Practical Aspects of Firearms, Ballistics, and Forensic Techniques":
None of these missiles, however, is dangerous to life under ordinary
circumstances. The bullet in fact is probably the most harmless of
all these missiles because with its relatively great mass it will
have little velocity. Fragments of brass and primer are the only
components of an exploding round that have sufficient velocity to
cause injury. These fragments can penetrate the skin or eye if the
individual is very close to the exploding cartridge. With the
exception of the eye, however, no serious injury should occur, and
certainly no mortal wound...
Note that small probabilities mean odd things will happen on rare
occasion. I have seen a case of a teenager who was, as I remember,
hitting .22 cal rimfire cartridges with a hammer. A small sliver of
brass penetrated his neck and made a small laceration in the external
carotid artery. He probably would have lived had he sought help, but
instead simply covered up the wound with a Band-Aid and went to bed...
billo
>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>> shot him in the foot.
It made for a good newspaper headline, but it's far fetched. If the
slug lodged in his foot, it was probably flung there by the mower
blade. When a bullet is "fired" outside a firearm, the bullet, being
heavier doesn't go very far. The shell case, being lighter flys
farther and at a higher speed. I don't have the reference handy at
the moment, but my recollection was that the experiments documenting
this were done by the miilitary using 30-06 ammunition.
RWL
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Paul Mc Cann
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In article >,
says...
> In uk.d-i-y Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip <go@fish> wrote:
> > Be still and pray homage to Illogic Bomb who posted this on 04 Jun 2004...
> >
> >> go@fish (Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip) wrote in
> >> -vegetables:
> >>
> >>> Be still and pray homage to David Fawthrop who posted this on 04 Jun
> >>> 2004...
> >>>
> >>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> >>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> >>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> >>>> shot him in the foot.
> >>>
> >>> Did he die?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Not unless his brain was in his foot or something.
> >
> > He could have bled to death.
>
> Unlikely.
> When you set off a cartridge that's not inside a gun, if it's unrestrained
> the brass simply shoots off the bullet (which is heavier) at a relatively
> low velocity, due to the very low pressure.
> If it is restrained, it bursts the cartridge, again at a very low pressure,
> and with a very short 'barrel', little speed is reached by the bullet.
>
I wouldn't be an expert but I was present when a 22 round went off after
being struck with a nail (don't ask) and it scared the s***t out of me
as it definitely attained some velocity
Paul Mc Cann
Dave Fawthrop
08-06-2004, 07:46 PM
On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 20:40:42 +0100, David Fawthrop > wrote:
| Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
| the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
| the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
| shot him in the foot.
Guess why they hate me
--
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Killfile and Anti Troll FAQs at
http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile.
J. Del Col
08-06-2004, 07:46 PM
David Fawthrop > wrote in message >...
> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> shot him in the foot.
This is nonsense.
When a cartridge detonates outside a gun's chamber, the bullet barely
moves. The cartridge case may split and the primer may go flying, but
the bullet travels only a short distance at low velocity. An
unconfined bullet can't develop the pressure necessary to hit with any
force. This has been confirmed by repeated tests. .
If the bullet or case was struck by the blade and sent flying, that's
a different story.
J. Del Col
J. Del Col wrote:
>...When a cartridge detonates outside a gun's chamber, the bullet barely
> moves. The cartridge case may split and the primer may go flying, but
> the bullet travels only a short distance at low velocity. An
> unconfined bullet can't develop the pressure necessary to hit with any
> force. This has been confirmed by repeated tests...
When I was a kid and didn't know any better, we made a gun from a cap
pistol, the kind that used the circular array of 6 caps. We drilled out
the cylinder to fit a .22 caliber bullet and filed down the hammer to
hit at the edge of the shell. The barrel was clear and about 1/2"
diameter. Having done all this, we went out to the field and fired it at
a bottle. After firing 20 or 30 rounds and apparently not hitting the
bottle, we put the muzzle right into the neck of the bottle and fired.
The slug bounced around in the bottom of the intact bottle.
The cylinder must have fit the shell fairly well, because the brass came
out easily (no flaring of the end), but there was nothing past the
cylinder, so the gas from the powder burning just blew by the slug and
it got no appreciable velocity.
This sounds very much like the equally unlikely story of the redneck who
blew a fuse in his truck and replaced it with a .22 cartridge, which
then heated up and exploded, shooting him in the leg or somewhere.
Bill Oliver
08-06-2004, 08:00 PM
In article >,
RWL > wrote:
>
>
>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>>> shot him in the foot.
>
>It made for a good newspaper headline, but it's far fetched. If the
>slug lodged in his foot, it was probably flung there by the mower
>blade. When a bullet is "fired" outside a firearm, the bullet, being
>heavier doesn't go very far. The shell case, being lighter flys
>farther and at a higher speed. I don't have the reference handy at
>the moment, but my recollection was that the experiments documenting
>this were done by the miilitary using 30-06 ammunition.
>
>RWL
>
You are absolutely correct. As noted by Vince DiMaio in "Gunshot Wounds:
Practical Aspects of Firearms, Ballistics, and Forensic Techniques":
None of these missiles, however, is dangerous to life under ordinary
circumstances. The bullet in fact is probably the most harmless of
all these missiles because with its relatively great mass it will
have little velocity. Fragments of brass and primer are the only
components of an exploding round that have sufficient velocity to
cause injury. These fragments can penetrate the skin or eye if the
individual is very close to the exploding cartridge. With the
exception of the eye, however, no serious injury should occur, and
certainly no mortal wound...
Note that small probabilities mean odd things will happen on rare
occasion. I have seen a case of a teenager who was, as I remember,
hitting .22 cal rimfire cartridges with a hammer. A small sliver of
brass penetrated his neck and made a small laceration in the external
carotid artery. He probably would have lived had he sought help, but
instead simply covered up the wound with a Band-Aid and went to bed...
billo
>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>> shot him in the foot.
It made for a good newspaper headline, but it's far fetched. If the
slug lodged in his foot, it was probably flung there by the mower
blade. When a bullet is "fired" outside a firearm, the bullet, being
heavier doesn't go very far. The shell case, being lighter flys
farther and at a higher speed. I don't have the reference handy at
the moment, but my recollection was that the experiments documenting
this were done by the miilitary using 30-06 ammunition.
RWL
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Paul Mc Cann
08-06-2004, 08:54 PM
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In article >,
says...
> In uk.d-i-y Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip <go@fish> wrote:
> > Be still and pray homage to Illogic Bomb who posted this on 04 Jun 2004...
> >
> >> go@fish (Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip) wrote in
> >> -vegetables:
> >>
> >>> Be still and pray homage to David Fawthrop who posted this on 04 Jun
> >>> 2004...
> >>>
> >>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> >>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> >>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> >>>> shot him in the foot.
> >>>
> >>> Did he die?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Not unless his brain was in his foot or something.
> >
> > He could have bled to death.
>
> Unlikely.
> When you set off a cartridge that's not inside a gun, if it's unrestrained
> the brass simply shoots off the bullet (which is heavier) at a relatively
> low velocity, due to the very low pressure.
> If it is restrained, it bursts the cartridge, again at a very low pressure,
> and with a very short 'barrel', little speed is reached by the bullet.
>
I wouldn't be an expert but I was present when a 22 round went off after
being struck with a nail (don't ask) and it scared the s***t out of me
as it definitely attained some velocity
Paul Mc Cann
Dave Fawthrop
08-06-2004, 08:57 PM
On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 20:40:42 +0100, David Fawthrop > wrote:
| Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
| the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
| the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
| shot him in the foot.
Guess why they hate me
--
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Killfile and Anti Troll FAQs at
http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile.
J. Del Col
08-06-2004, 08:58 PM
David Fawthrop > wrote in message >...
> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> shot him in the foot.
This is nonsense.
When a cartridge detonates outside a gun's chamber, the bullet barely
moves. The cartridge case may split and the primer may go flying, but
the bullet travels only a short distance at low velocity. An
unconfined bullet can't develop the pressure necessary to hit with any
force. This has been confirmed by repeated tests. .
If the bullet or case was struck by the blade and sent flying, that's
a different story.
J. Del Col
J. Del Col wrote:
>...When a cartridge detonates outside a gun's chamber, the bullet barely
> moves. The cartridge case may split and the primer may go flying, but
> the bullet travels only a short distance at low velocity. An
> unconfined bullet can't develop the pressure necessary to hit with any
> force. This has been confirmed by repeated tests...
When I was a kid and didn't know any better, we made a gun from a cap
pistol, the kind that used the circular array of 6 caps. We drilled out
the cylinder to fit a .22 caliber bullet and filed down the hammer to
hit at the edge of the shell. The barrel was clear and about 1/2"
diameter. Having done all this, we went out to the field and fired it at
a bottle. After firing 20 or 30 rounds and apparently not hitting the
bottle, we put the muzzle right into the neck of the bottle and fired.
The slug bounced around in the bottom of the intact bottle.
The cylinder must have fit the shell fairly well, because the brass came
out easily (no flaring of the end), but there was nothing past the
cylinder, so the gas from the powder burning just blew by the slug and
it got no appreciable velocity.
This sounds very much like the equally unlikely story of the redneck who
blew a fuse in his truck and replaced it with a .22 cartridge, which
then heated up and exploded, shooting him in the leg or somewhere.
>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>> shot him in the foot.
It made for a good newspaper headline, but it's far fetched. If the
slug lodged in his foot, it was probably flung there by the mower
blade. When a bullet is "fired" outside a firearm, the bullet, being
heavier doesn't go very far. The shell case, being lighter flys
farther and at a higher speed. I don't have the reference handy at
the moment, but my recollection was that the experiments documenting
this were done by the miilitary using 30-06 ammunition.
RWL
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In article >,
says...
> In uk.d-i-y Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip <go@fish> wrote:
> > Be still and pray homage to Illogic Bomb who posted this on 04 Jun 2004...
> >
> >> go@fish (Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip) wrote in
> >> -vegetables:
> >>
> >>> Be still and pray homage to David Fawthrop who posted this on 04 Jun
> >>> 2004...
> >>>
> >>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> >>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> >>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> >>>> shot him in the foot.
> >>>
> >>> Did he die?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Not unless his brain was in his foot or something.
> >
> > He could have bled to death.
>
> Unlikely.
> When you set off a cartridge that's not inside a gun, if it's unrestrained
> the brass simply shoots off the bullet (which is heavier) at a relatively
> low velocity, due to the very low pressure.
> If it is restrained, it bursts the cartridge, again at a very low pressure,
> and with a very short 'barrel', little speed is reached by the bullet.
>
I wouldn't be an expert but I was present when a 22 round went off after
being struck with a nail (don't ask) and it scared the s***t out of me
as it definitely attained some velocity
Paul Mc Cann
Dave Fawthrop
08-06-2004, 09:45 PM
On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 20:40:42 +0100, David Fawthrop > wrote:
| Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
| the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
| the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
| shot him in the foot.
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J. Del Col
08-06-2004, 09:45 PM
David Fawthrop > wrote in message >...
> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> shot him in the foot.
This is nonsense.
When a cartridge detonates outside a gun's chamber, the bullet barely
moves. The cartridge case may split and the primer may go flying, but
the bullet travels only a short distance at low velocity. An
unconfined bullet can't develop the pressure necessary to hit with any
force. This has been confirmed by repeated tests. .
If the bullet or case was struck by the blade and sent flying, that's
a different story.
J. Del Col
J. Del Col wrote:
>...When a cartridge detonates outside a gun's chamber, the bullet barely
> moves. The cartridge case may split and the primer may go flying, but
> the bullet travels only a short distance at low velocity. An
> unconfined bullet can't develop the pressure necessary to hit with any
> force. This has been confirmed by repeated tests...
When I was a kid and didn't know any better, we made a gun from a cap
pistol, the kind that used the circular array of 6 caps. We drilled out
the cylinder to fit a .22 caliber bullet and filed down the hammer to
hit at the edge of the shell. The barrel was clear and about 1/2"
diameter. Having done all this, we went out to the field and fired it at
a bottle. After firing 20 or 30 rounds and apparently not hitting the
bottle, we put the muzzle right into the neck of the bottle and fired.
The slug bounced around in the bottom of the intact bottle.
The cylinder must have fit the shell fairly well, because the brass came
out easily (no flaring of the end), but there was nothing past the
cylinder, so the gas from the powder burning just blew by the slug and
it got no appreciable velocity.
This sounds very much like the equally unlikely story of the redneck who
blew a fuse in his truck and replaced it with a .22 cartridge, which
then heated up and exploded, shooting him in the leg or somewhere.
Bill Oliver
08-06-2004, 10:00 PM
In article >,
RWL > wrote:
>
>
>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>>> shot him in the foot.
>
>It made for a good newspaper headline, but it's far fetched. If the
>slug lodged in his foot, it was probably flung there by the mower
>blade. When a bullet is "fired" outside a firearm, the bullet, being
>heavier doesn't go very far. The shell case, being lighter flys
>farther and at a higher speed. I don't have the reference handy at
>the moment, but my recollection was that the experiments documenting
>this were done by the miilitary using 30-06 ammunition.
>
>RWL
>
You are absolutely correct. As noted by Vince DiMaio in "Gunshot Wounds:
Practical Aspects of Firearms, Ballistics, and Forensic Techniques":
None of these missiles, however, is dangerous to life under ordinary
circumstances. The bullet in fact is probably the most harmless of
all these missiles because with its relatively great mass it will
have little velocity. Fragments of brass and primer are the only
components of an exploding round that have sufficient velocity to
cause injury. These fragments can penetrate the skin or eye if the
individual is very close to the exploding cartridge. With the
exception of the eye, however, no serious injury should occur, and
certainly no mortal wound...
Note that small probabilities mean odd things will happen on rare
occasion. I have seen a case of a teenager who was, as I remember,
hitting .22 cal rimfire cartridges with a hammer. A small sliver of
brass penetrated his neck and made a small laceration in the external
carotid artery. He probably would have lived had he sought help, but
instead simply covered up the wound with a Band-Aid and went to bed...
billo
>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>> shot him in the foot.
It made for a good newspaper headline, but it's far fetched. If the
slug lodged in his foot, it was probably flung there by the mower
blade. When a bullet is "fired" outside a firearm, the bullet, being
heavier doesn't go very far. The shell case, being lighter flys
farther and at a higher speed. I don't have the reference handy at
the moment, but my recollection was that the experiments documenting
this were done by the miilitary using 30-06 ammunition.
RWL
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In article >,
says...
> In uk.d-i-y Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip <go@fish> wrote:
> > Be still and pray homage to Illogic Bomb who posted this on 04 Jun 2004...
> >
> >> go@fish (Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip) wrote in
> >> -vegetables:
> >>
> >>> Be still and pray homage to David Fawthrop who posted this on 04 Jun
> >>> 2004...
> >>>
> >>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> >>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> >>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> >>>> shot him in the foot.
> >>>
> >>> Did he die?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Not unless his brain was in his foot or something.
> >
> > He could have bled to death.
>
> Unlikely.
> When you set off a cartridge that's not inside a gun, if it's unrestrained
> the brass simply shoots off the bullet (which is heavier) at a relatively
> low velocity, due to the very low pressure.
> If it is restrained, it bursts the cartridge, again at a very low pressure,
> and with a very short 'barrel', little speed is reached by the bullet.
>
I wouldn't be an expert but I was present when a 22 round went off after
being struck with a nail (don't ask) and it scared the s***t out of me
as it definitely attained some velocity
Paul Mc Cann
Dave Fawthrop
08-06-2004, 11:42 PM
On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 20:40:42 +0100, David Fawthrop > wrote:
| Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
| the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
| the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
| shot him in the foot.
Guess why they hate me
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J. Del Col
08-06-2004, 11:42 PM
David Fawthrop > wrote in message >...
> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> shot him in the foot.
This is nonsense.
When a cartridge detonates outside a gun's chamber, the bullet barely
moves. The cartridge case may split and the primer may go flying, but
the bullet travels only a short distance at low velocity. An
unconfined bullet can't develop the pressure necessary to hit with any
force. This has been confirmed by repeated tests. .
If the bullet or case was struck by the blade and sent flying, that's
a different story.
J. Del Col
>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>> shot him in the foot.
It made for a good newspaper headline, but it's far fetched. If the
slug lodged in his foot, it was probably flung there by the mower
blade. When a bullet is "fired" outside a firearm, the bullet, being
heavier doesn't go very far. The shell case, being lighter flys
farther and at a higher speed. I don't have the reference handy at
the moment, but my recollection was that the experiments documenting
this were done by the miilitary using 30-06 ammunition.
RWL
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In article >,
says...
> In uk.d-i-y Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip <go@fish> wrote:
> > Be still and pray homage to Illogic Bomb who posted this on 04 Jun 2004...
> >
> >> go@fish (Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip) wrote in
> >> -vegetables:
> >>
> >>> Be still and pray homage to David Fawthrop who posted this on 04 Jun
> >>> 2004...
> >>>
> >>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> >>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> >>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> >>>> shot him in the foot.
> >>>
> >>> Did he die?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Not unless his brain was in his foot or something.
> >
> > He could have bled to death.
>
> Unlikely.
> When you set off a cartridge that's not inside a gun, if it's unrestrained
> the brass simply shoots off the bullet (which is heavier) at a relatively
> low velocity, due to the very low pressure.
> If it is restrained, it bursts the cartridge, again at a very low pressure,
> and with a very short 'barrel', little speed is reached by the bullet.
>
I wouldn't be an expert but I was present when a 22 round went off after
being struck with a nail (don't ask) and it scared the s***t out of me
as it definitely attained some velocity
Paul Mc Cann
Dave Fawthrop
09-06-2004, 12:41 AM
On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 20:40:42 +0100, David Fawthrop > wrote:
| Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
| the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
| the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
| shot him in the foot.
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J. Del Col
09-06-2004, 12:41 AM
David Fawthrop > wrote in message >...
> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> shot him in the foot.
This is nonsense.
When a cartridge detonates outside a gun's chamber, the bullet barely
moves. The cartridge case may split and the primer may go flying, but
the bullet travels only a short distance at low velocity. An
unconfined bullet can't develop the pressure necessary to hit with any
force. This has been confirmed by repeated tests. .
If the bullet or case was struck by the blade and sent flying, that's
a different story.
J. Del Col
J. Del Col wrote:
>...When a cartridge detonates outside a gun's chamber, the bullet barely
> moves. The cartridge case may split and the primer may go flying, but
> the bullet travels only a short distance at low velocity. An
> unconfined bullet can't develop the pressure necessary to hit with any
> force. This has been confirmed by repeated tests...
When I was a kid and didn't know any better, we made a gun from a cap
pistol, the kind that used the circular array of 6 caps. We drilled out
the cylinder to fit a .22 caliber bullet and filed down the hammer to
hit at the edge of the shell. The barrel was clear and about 1/2"
diameter. Having done all this, we went out to the field and fired it at
a bottle. After firing 20 or 30 rounds and apparently not hitting the
bottle, we put the muzzle right into the neck of the bottle and fired.
The slug bounced around in the bottom of the intact bottle.
The cylinder must have fit the shell fairly well, because the brass came
out easily (no flaring of the end), but there was nothing past the
cylinder, so the gas from the powder burning just blew by the slug and
it got no appreciable velocity.
This sounds very much like the equally unlikely story of the redneck who
blew a fuse in his truck and replaced it with a .22 cartridge, which
then heated up and exploded, shooting him in the leg or somewhere.
Bill Oliver
09-06-2004, 12:54 AM
In article >,
RWL > wrote:
>
>
>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>>> shot him in the foot.
>
>It made for a good newspaper headline, but it's far fetched. If the
>slug lodged in his foot, it was probably flung there by the mower
>blade. When a bullet is "fired" outside a firearm, the bullet, being
>heavier doesn't go very far. The shell case, being lighter flys
>farther and at a higher speed. I don't have the reference handy at
>the moment, but my recollection was that the experiments documenting
>this were done by the miilitary using 30-06 ammunition.
>
>RWL
>
You are absolutely correct. As noted by Vince DiMaio in "Gunshot Wounds:
Practical Aspects of Firearms, Ballistics, and Forensic Techniques":
None of these missiles, however, is dangerous to life under ordinary
circumstances. The bullet in fact is probably the most harmless of
all these missiles because with its relatively great mass it will
have little velocity. Fragments of brass and primer are the only
components of an exploding round that have sufficient velocity to
cause injury. These fragments can penetrate the skin or eye if the
individual is very close to the exploding cartridge. With the
exception of the eye, however, no serious injury should occur, and
certainly no mortal wound...
Note that small probabilities mean odd things will happen on rare
occasion. I have seen a case of a teenager who was, as I remember,
hitting .22 cal rimfire cartridges with a hammer. A small sliver of
brass penetrated his neck and made a small laceration in the external
carotid artery. He probably would have lived had he sought help, but
instead simply covered up the wound with a Band-Aid and went to bed...
billo
Ian Stirling
09-06-2004, 01:07 AM
In uk.d-i-y Paul Mc Cann > wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>> In uk.d-i-y Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip <go@fish> wrote:
>> > Be still and pray homage to Illogic Bomb who posted this on 04 Jun 2004...
>> >
>> >> go@fish (Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip) wrote in
>> >> -vegetables:
>> >>
>> >>> Be still and pray homage to David Fawthrop who posted this on 04 Jun
>> >>> 2004...
>> >>>
>> >>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>> >>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>> >>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>> >>>> shot him in the foot.
>> >>>
>> >>> Did he die?
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Not unless his brain was in his foot or something.
>> >
>> > He could have bled to death.
>>
>> Unlikely.
>> When you set off a cartridge that's not inside a gun, if it's unrestrained
>> the brass simply shoots off the bullet (which is heavier) at a relatively
>> low velocity, due to the very low pressure.
>> If it is restrained, it bursts the cartridge, again at a very low pressure,
>> and with a very short 'barrel', little speed is reached by the bullet.
>>
> I wouldn't be an expert but I was present when a 22 round went off after
> being struck with a nail (don't ask) and it scared the s***t out of me
> as it definitely attained some velocity
It's going to obtain some velocity, but not really very much.
You'd probably get more out of an airgun.
>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>> shot him in the foot.
It made for a good newspaper headline, but it's far fetched. If the
slug lodged in his foot, it was probably flung there by the mower
blade. When a bullet is "fired" outside a firearm, the bullet, being
heavier doesn't go very far. The shell case, being lighter flys
farther and at a higher speed. I don't have the reference handy at
the moment, but my recollection was that the experiments documenting
this were done by the miilitary using 30-06 ammunition.
RWL
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In article >,
says...
> In uk.d-i-y Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip <go@fish> wrote:
> > Be still and pray homage to Illogic Bomb who posted this on 04 Jun 2004...
> >
> >> go@fish (Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip) wrote in
> >> -vegetables:
> >>
> >>> Be still and pray homage to David Fawthrop who posted this on 04 Jun
> >>> 2004...
> >>>
> >>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> >>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> >>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> >>>> shot him in the foot.
> >>>
> >>> Did he die?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Not unless his brain was in his foot or something.
> >
> > He could have bled to death.
>
> Unlikely.
> When you set off a cartridge that's not inside a gun, if it's unrestrained
> the brass simply shoots off the bullet (which is heavier) at a relatively
> low velocity, due to the very low pressure.
> If it is restrained, it bursts the cartridge, again at a very low pressure,
> and with a very short 'barrel', little speed is reached by the bullet.
>
I wouldn't be an expert but I was present when a 22 round went off after
being struck with a nail (don't ask) and it scared the s***t out of me
as it definitely attained some velocity
Paul Mc Cann
Dave Fawthrop
09-06-2004, 01:42 AM
On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 20:40:42 +0100, David Fawthrop > wrote:
| Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
| the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
| the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
| shot him in the foot.
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J. Del Col
09-06-2004, 01:42 AM
David Fawthrop > wrote in message >...
> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> shot him in the foot.
This is nonsense.
When a cartridge detonates outside a gun's chamber, the bullet barely
moves. The cartridge case may split and the primer may go flying, but
the bullet travels only a short distance at low velocity. An
unconfined bullet can't develop the pressure necessary to hit with any
force. This has been confirmed by repeated tests. .
If the bullet or case was struck by the blade and sent flying, that's
a different story.
J. Del Col
J. Del Col wrote:
>...When a cartridge detonates outside a gun's chamber, the bullet barely
> moves. The cartridge case may split and the primer may go flying, but
> the bullet travels only a short distance at low velocity. An
> unconfined bullet can't develop the pressure necessary to hit with any
> force. This has been confirmed by repeated tests...
When I was a kid and didn't know any better, we made a gun from a cap
pistol, the kind that used the circular array of 6 caps. We drilled out
the cylinder to fit a .22 caliber bullet and filed down the hammer to
hit at the edge of the shell. The barrel was clear and about 1/2"
diameter. Having done all this, we went out to the field and fired it at
a bottle. After firing 20 or 30 rounds and apparently not hitting the
bottle, we put the muzzle right into the neck of the bottle and fired.
The slug bounced around in the bottom of the intact bottle.
The cylinder must have fit the shell fairly well, because the brass came
out easily (no flaring of the end), but there was nothing past the
cylinder, so the gas from the powder burning just blew by the slug and
it got no appreciable velocity.
This sounds very much like the equally unlikely story of the redneck who
blew a fuse in his truck and replaced it with a .22 cartridge, which
then heated up and exploded, shooting him in the leg or somewhere.
Bill Oliver
09-06-2004, 01:57 AM
In article >,
RWL > wrote:
>
>
>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>>> shot him in the foot.
>
>It made for a good newspaper headline, but it's far fetched. If the
>slug lodged in his foot, it was probably flung there by the mower
>blade. When a bullet is "fired" outside a firearm, the bullet, being
>heavier doesn't go very far. The shell case, being lighter flys
>farther and at a higher speed. I don't have the reference handy at
>the moment, but my recollection was that the experiments documenting
>this were done by the miilitary using 30-06 ammunition.
>
>RWL
>
You are absolutely correct. As noted by Vince DiMaio in "Gunshot Wounds:
Practical Aspects of Firearms, Ballistics, and Forensic Techniques":
None of these missiles, however, is dangerous to life under ordinary
circumstances. The bullet in fact is probably the most harmless of
all these missiles because with its relatively great mass it will
have little velocity. Fragments of brass and primer are the only
components of an exploding round that have sufficient velocity to
cause injury. These fragments can penetrate the skin or eye if the
individual is very close to the exploding cartridge. With the
exception of the eye, however, no serious injury should occur, and
certainly no mortal wound...
Note that small probabilities mean odd things will happen on rare
occasion. I have seen a case of a teenager who was, as I remember,
hitting .22 cal rimfire cartridges with a hammer. A small sliver of
brass penetrated his neck and made a small laceration in the external
carotid artery. He probably would have lived had he sought help, but
instead simply covered up the wound with a Band-Aid and went to bed...
billo
>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>> shot him in the foot.
It made for a good newspaper headline, but it's far fetched. If the
slug lodged in his foot, it was probably flung there by the mower
blade. When a bullet is "fired" outside a firearm, the bullet, being
heavier doesn't go very far. The shell case, being lighter flys
farther and at a higher speed. I don't have the reference handy at
the moment, but my recollection was that the experiments documenting
this were done by the miilitary using 30-06 ammunition.
RWL
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says...
> In uk.d-i-y Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip <go@fish> wrote:
> > Be still and pray homage to Illogic Bomb who posted this on 04 Jun 2004...
> >
> >> go@fish (Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip) wrote in
> >> -vegetables:
> >>
> >>> Be still and pray homage to David Fawthrop who posted this on 04 Jun
> >>> 2004...
> >>>
> >>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> >>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> >>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> >>>> shot him in the foot.
> >>>
> >>> Did he die?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Not unless his brain was in his foot or something.
> >
> > He could have bled to death.
>
> Unlikely.
> When you set off a cartridge that's not inside a gun, if it's unrestrained
> the brass simply shoots off the bullet (which is heavier) at a relatively
> low velocity, due to the very low pressure.
> If it is restrained, it bursts the cartridge, again at a very low pressure,
> and with a very short 'barrel', little speed is reached by the bullet.
>
I wouldn't be an expert but I was present when a 22 round went off after
being struck with a nail (don't ask) and it scared the s***t out of me
as it definitely attained some velocity
Paul Mc Cann
Dave Fawthrop
09-06-2004, 02:40 AM
On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 20:40:42 +0100, David Fawthrop > wrote:
| Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
| the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
| the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
| shot him in the foot.
Guess why they hate me
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J. Del Col
09-06-2004, 02:40 AM
David Fawthrop > wrote in message >...
> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> shot him in the foot.
This is nonsense.
When a cartridge detonates outside a gun's chamber, the bullet barely
moves. The cartridge case may split and the primer may go flying, but
the bullet travels only a short distance at low velocity. An
unconfined bullet can't develop the pressure necessary to hit with any
force. This has been confirmed by repeated tests. .
If the bullet or case was struck by the blade and sent flying, that's
a different story.
J. Del Col
J. Del Col wrote:
>...When a cartridge detonates outside a gun's chamber, the bullet barely
> moves. The cartridge case may split and the primer may go flying, but
> the bullet travels only a short distance at low velocity. An
> unconfined bullet can't develop the pressure necessary to hit with any
> force. This has been confirmed by repeated tests...
When I was a kid and didn't know any better, we made a gun from a cap
pistol, the kind that used the circular array of 6 caps. We drilled out
the cylinder to fit a .22 caliber bullet and filed down the hammer to
hit at the edge of the shell. The barrel was clear and about 1/2"
diameter. Having done all this, we went out to the field and fired it at
a bottle. After firing 20 or 30 rounds and apparently not hitting the
bottle, we put the muzzle right into the neck of the bottle and fired.
The slug bounced around in the bottom of the intact bottle.
The cylinder must have fit the shell fairly well, because the brass came
out easily (no flaring of the end), but there was nothing past the
cylinder, so the gas from the powder burning just blew by the slug and
it got no appreciable velocity.
This sounds very much like the equally unlikely story of the redneck who
blew a fuse in his truck and replaced it with a .22 cartridge, which
then heated up and exploded, shooting him in the leg or somewhere.
Bill Oliver
09-06-2004, 02:53 AM
In article >,
RWL > wrote:
>
>
>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>>> shot him in the foot.
>
>It made for a good newspaper headline, but it's far fetched. If the
>slug lodged in his foot, it was probably flung there by the mower
>blade. When a bullet is "fired" outside a firearm, the bullet, being
>heavier doesn't go very far. The shell case, being lighter flys
>farther and at a higher speed. I don't have the reference handy at
>the moment, but my recollection was that the experiments documenting
>this were done by the miilitary using 30-06 ammunition.
>
>RWL
>
You are absolutely correct. As noted by Vince DiMaio in "Gunshot Wounds:
Practical Aspects of Firearms, Ballistics, and Forensic Techniques":
None of these missiles, however, is dangerous to life under ordinary
circumstances. The bullet in fact is probably the most harmless of
all these missiles because with its relatively great mass it will
have little velocity. Fragments of brass and primer are the only
components of an exploding round that have sufficient velocity to
cause injury. These fragments can penetrate the skin or eye if the
individual is very close to the exploding cartridge. With the
exception of the eye, however, no serious injury should occur, and
certainly no mortal wound...
Note that small probabilities mean odd things will happen on rare
occasion. I have seen a case of a teenager who was, as I remember,
hitting .22 cal rimfire cartridges with a hammer. A small sliver of
brass penetrated his neck and made a small laceration in the external
carotid artery. He probably would have lived had he sought help, but
instead simply covered up the wound with a Band-Aid and went to bed...
billo
Ian Stirling
09-06-2004, 03:02 AM
In uk.d-i-y Paul Mc Cann > wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>> In uk.d-i-y Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip <go@fish> wrote:
>> > Be still and pray homage to Illogic Bomb who posted this on 04 Jun 2004...
>> >
>> >> go@fish (Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip) wrote in
>> >> -vegetables:
>> >>
>> >>> Be still and pray homage to David Fawthrop who posted this on 04 Jun
>> >>> 2004...
>> >>>
>> >>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>> >>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>> >>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>> >>>> shot him in the foot.
>> >>>
>> >>> Did he die?
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Not unless his brain was in his foot or something.
>> >
>> > He could have bled to death.
>>
>> Unlikely.
>> When you set off a cartridge that's not inside a gun, if it's unrestrained
>> the brass simply shoots off the bullet (which is heavier) at a relatively
>> low velocity, due to the very low pressure.
>> If it is restrained, it bursts the cartridge, again at a very low pressure,
>> and with a very short 'barrel', little speed is reached by the bullet.
>>
> I wouldn't be an expert but I was present when a 22 round went off after
> being struck with a nail (don't ask) and it scared the s***t out of me
> as it definitely attained some velocity
It's going to obtain some velocity, but not really very much.
You'd probably get more out of an airgun.
Major Neil Barking
09-06-2004, 03:04 AM
In article: > Ian Stirling
> writes:
>In uk.d-i-y Paul Mc Cann > wrote:
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>> In uk.d-i-y Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip <go@fish> wrote:
>>> > Be still and pray homage to Illogic Bomb who posted this on 04 Jun 2004...
>>> >
>>> >> go@fish (Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip) wrote in
>>> >> -vegetables:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Be still and pray homage to David Fawthrop who posted this on 04 Jun
>>> >>> 2004...
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>>> >>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>>> >>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>>> >>>> shot him in the foot.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Did he die?
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >> Not unless his brain was in his foot or something.
>>> >
>>> > He could have bled to death.
>>>
>>> Unlikely.
>>> When you set off a cartridge that's not inside a gun, if it's unrestrained
>>> the brass simply shoots off the bullet (which is heavier) at a relatively
>>> low velocity, due to the very low pressure.
>>> If it is restrained, it bursts the cartridge, again at a very low pressure,
>>> and with a very short 'barrel', little speed is reached by the bullet.
>>>
>> I wouldn't be an expert but I was present when a 22 round went off after
>> being struck with a nail (don't ask) and it scared the s***t out of me
>> as it definitely attained some velocity
>
>It's going to obtain some velocity, but not really very much.
>You'd probably get more out of an airgun.
How fitting.
--
Neil Barking
>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>> shot him in the foot.
It made for a good newspaper headline, but it's far fetched. If the
slug lodged in his foot, it was probably flung there by the mower
blade. When a bullet is "fired" outside a firearm, the bullet, being
heavier doesn't go very far. The shell case, being lighter flys
farther and at a higher speed. I don't have the reference handy at
the moment, but my recollection was that the experiments documenting
this were done by the miilitary using 30-06 ammunition.
RWL
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In article >,
says...
> In uk.d-i-y Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip <go@fish> wrote:
> > Be still and pray homage to Illogic Bomb who posted this on 04 Jun 2004...
> >
> >> go@fish (Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip) wrote in
> >> -vegetables:
> >>
> >>> Be still and pray homage to David Fawthrop who posted this on 04 Jun
> >>> 2004...
> >>>
> >>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> >>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> >>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> >>>> shot him in the foot.
> >>>
> >>> Did he die?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Not unless his brain was in his foot or something.
> >
> > He could have bled to death.
>
> Unlikely.
> When you set off a cartridge that's not inside a gun, if it's unrestrained
> the brass simply shoots off the bullet (which is heavier) at a relatively
> low velocity, due to the very low pressure.
> If it is restrained, it bursts the cartridge, again at a very low pressure,
> and with a very short 'barrel', little speed is reached by the bullet.
>
I wouldn't be an expert but I was present when a 22 round went off after
being struck with a nail (don't ask) and it scared the s***t out of me
as it definitely attained some velocity
Paul Mc Cann
Dave Fawthrop
09-06-2004, 03:43 AM
On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 20:40:42 +0100, David Fawthrop > wrote:
| Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
| the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
| the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
| shot him in the foot.
Guess why they hate me
--
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Killfile and Anti Troll FAQs at
http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile.
J. Del Col
09-06-2004, 03:44 AM
David Fawthrop > wrote in message >...
> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> shot him in the foot.
This is nonsense.
When a cartridge detonates outside a gun's chamber, the bullet barely
moves. The cartridge case may split and the primer may go flying, but
the bullet travels only a short distance at low velocity. An
unconfined bullet can't develop the pressure necessary to hit with any
force. This has been confirmed by repeated tests. .
If the bullet or case was struck by the blade and sent flying, that's
a different story.
J. Del Col
J. Del Col wrote:
>...When a cartridge detonates outside a gun's chamber, the bullet barely
> moves. The cartridge case may split and the primer may go flying, but
> the bullet travels only a short distance at low velocity. An
> unconfined bullet can't develop the pressure necessary to hit with any
> force. This has been confirmed by repeated tests...
When I was a kid and didn't know any better, we made a gun from a cap
pistol, the kind that used the circular array of 6 caps. We drilled out
the cylinder to fit a .22 caliber bullet and filed down the hammer to
hit at the edge of the shell. The barrel was clear and about 1/2"
diameter. Having done all this, we went out to the field and fired it at
a bottle. After firing 20 or 30 rounds and apparently not hitting the
bottle, we put the muzzle right into the neck of the bottle and fired.
The slug bounced around in the bottom of the intact bottle.
The cylinder must have fit the shell fairly well, because the brass came
out easily (no flaring of the end), but there was nothing past the
cylinder, so the gas from the powder burning just blew by the slug and
it got no appreciable velocity.
This sounds very much like the equally unlikely story of the redneck who
blew a fuse in his truck and replaced it with a .22 cartridge, which
then heated up and exploded, shooting him in the leg or somewhere.
Bill Oliver
09-06-2004, 03:57 AM
In article >,
RWL > wrote:
>
>
>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>>> shot him in the foot.
>
>It made for a good newspaper headline, but it's far fetched. If the
>slug lodged in his foot, it was probably flung there by the mower
>blade. When a bullet is "fired" outside a firearm, the bullet, being
>heavier doesn't go very far. The shell case, being lighter flys
>farther and at a higher speed. I don't have the reference handy at
>the moment, but my recollection was that the experiments documenting
>this were done by the miilitary using 30-06 ammunition.
>
>RWL
>
You are absolutely correct. As noted by Vince DiMaio in "Gunshot Wounds:
Practical Aspects of Firearms, Ballistics, and Forensic Techniques":
None of these missiles, however, is dangerous to life under ordinary
circumstances. The bullet in fact is probably the most harmless of
all these missiles because with its relatively great mass it will
have little velocity. Fragments of brass and primer are the only
components of an exploding round that have sufficient velocity to
cause injury. These fragments can penetrate the skin or eye if the
individual is very close to the exploding cartridge. With the
exception of the eye, however, no serious injury should occur, and
certainly no mortal wound...
Note that small probabilities mean odd things will happen on rare
occasion. I have seen a case of a teenager who was, as I remember,
hitting .22 cal rimfire cartridges with a hammer. A small sliver of
brass penetrated his neck and made a small laceration in the external
carotid artery. He probably would have lived had he sought help, but
instead simply covered up the wound with a Band-Aid and went to bed...
billo
>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>> shot him in the foot.
It made for a good newspaper headline, but it's far fetched. If the
slug lodged in his foot, it was probably flung there by the mower
blade. When a bullet is "fired" outside a firearm, the bullet, being
heavier doesn't go very far. The shell case, being lighter flys
farther and at a higher speed. I don't have the reference handy at
the moment, but my recollection was that the experiments documenting
this were done by the miilitary using 30-06 ammunition.
RWL
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In article >,
says...
> In uk.d-i-y Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip <go@fish> wrote:
> > Be still and pray homage to Illogic Bomb who posted this on 04 Jun 2004...
> >
> >> go@fish (Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip) wrote in
> >> -vegetables:
> >>
> >>> Be still and pray homage to David Fawthrop who posted this on 04 Jun
> >>> 2004...
> >>>
> >>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> >>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> >>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> >>>> shot him in the foot.
> >>>
> >>> Did he die?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Not unless his brain was in his foot or something.
> >
> > He could have bled to death.
>
> Unlikely.
> When you set off a cartridge that's not inside a gun, if it's unrestrained
> the brass simply shoots off the bullet (which is heavier) at a relatively
> low velocity, due to the very low pressure.
> If it is restrained, it bursts the cartridge, again at a very low pressure,
> and with a very short 'barrel', little speed is reached by the bullet.
>
I wouldn't be an expert but I was present when a 22 round went off after
being struck with a nail (don't ask) and it scared the s***t out of me
as it definitely attained some velocity
Paul Mc Cann
>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>> shot him in the foot.
It made for a good newspaper headline, but it's far fetched. If the
slug lodged in his foot, it was probably flung there by the mower
blade. When a bullet is "fired" outside a firearm, the bullet, being
heavier doesn't go very far. The shell case, being lighter flys
farther and at a higher speed. I don't have the reference handy at
the moment, but my recollection was that the experiments documenting
this were done by the miilitary using 30-06 ammunition.
RWL
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In article >,
says...
> In uk.d-i-y Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip <go@fish> wrote:
> > Be still and pray homage to Illogic Bomb who posted this on 04 Jun 2004...
> >
> >> go@fish (Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip) wrote in
> >> -vegetables:
> >>
> >>> Be still and pray homage to David Fawthrop who posted this on 04 Jun
> >>> 2004...
> >>>
> >>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> >>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> >>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> >>>> shot him in the foot.
> >>>
> >>> Did he die?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Not unless his brain was in his foot or something.
> >
> > He could have bled to death.
>
> Unlikely.
> When you set off a cartridge that's not inside a gun, if it's unrestrained
> the brass simply shoots off the bullet (which is heavier) at a relatively
> low velocity, due to the very low pressure.
> If it is restrained, it bursts the cartridge, again at a very low pressure,
> and with a very short 'barrel', little speed is reached by the bullet.
>
I wouldn't be an expert but I was present when a 22 round went off after
being struck with a nail (don't ask) and it scared the s***t out of me
as it definitely attained some velocity
Paul Mc Cann
Dave Fawthrop
09-06-2004, 05:41 AM
On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 20:40:42 +0100, David Fawthrop > wrote:
| Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
| the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
| the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
| shot him in the foot.
Guess why they hate me
--
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Killfile and Anti Troll FAQs at
http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile.
J. Del Col
09-06-2004, 05:41 AM
David Fawthrop > wrote in message >...
> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> shot him in the foot.
This is nonsense.
When a cartridge detonates outside a gun's chamber, the bullet barely
moves. The cartridge case may split and the primer may go flying, but
the bullet travels only a short distance at low velocity. An
unconfined bullet can't develop the pressure necessary to hit with any
force. This has been confirmed by repeated tests. .
If the bullet or case was struck by the blade and sent flying, that's
a different story.
J. Del Col
J. Del Col wrote:
>...When a cartridge detonates outside a gun's chamber, the bullet barely
> moves. The cartridge case may split and the primer may go flying, but
> the bullet travels only a short distance at low velocity. An
> unconfined bullet can't develop the pressure necessary to hit with any
> force. This has been confirmed by repeated tests...
When I was a kid and didn't know any better, we made a gun from a cap
pistol, the kind that used the circular array of 6 caps. We drilled out
the cylinder to fit a .22 caliber bullet and filed down the hammer to
hit at the edge of the shell. The barrel was clear and about 1/2"
diameter. Having done all this, we went out to the field and fired it at
a bottle. After firing 20 or 30 rounds and apparently not hitting the
bottle, we put the muzzle right into the neck of the bottle and fired.
The slug bounced around in the bottom of the intact bottle.
The cylinder must have fit the shell fairly well, because the brass came
out easily (no flaring of the end), but there was nothing past the
cylinder, so the gas from the powder burning just blew by the slug and
it got no appreciable velocity.
This sounds very much like the equally unlikely story of the redneck who
blew a fuse in his truck and replaced it with a .22 cartridge, which
then heated up and exploded, shooting him in the leg or somewhere.
Bill Oliver
09-06-2004, 05:54 AM
In article >,
RWL > wrote:
>
>
>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>>> shot him in the foot.
>
>It made for a good newspaper headline, but it's far fetched. If the
>slug lodged in his foot, it was probably flung there by the mower
>blade. When a bullet is "fired" outside a firearm, the bullet, being
>heavier doesn't go very far. The shell case, being lighter flys
>farther and at a higher speed. I don't have the reference handy at
>the moment, but my recollection was that the experiments documenting
>this were done by the miilitary using 30-06 ammunition.
>
>RWL
>
You are absolutely correct. As noted by Vince DiMaio in "Gunshot Wounds:
Practical Aspects of Firearms, Ballistics, and Forensic Techniques":
None of these missiles, however, is dangerous to life under ordinary
circumstances. The bullet in fact is probably the most harmless of
all these missiles because with its relatively great mass it will
have little velocity. Fragments of brass and primer are the only
components of an exploding round that have sufficient velocity to
cause injury. These fragments can penetrate the skin or eye if the
individual is very close to the exploding cartridge. With the
exception of the eye, however, no serious injury should occur, and
certainly no mortal wound...
Note that small probabilities mean odd things will happen on rare
occasion. I have seen a case of a teenager who was, as I remember,
hitting .22 cal rimfire cartridges with a hammer. A small sliver of
brass penetrated his neck and made a small laceration in the external
carotid artery. He probably would have lived had he sought help, but
instead simply covered up the wound with a Band-Aid and went to bed...
billo
Ian Stirling
09-06-2004, 06:03 AM
In uk.d-i-y Paul Mc Cann > wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>> In uk.d-i-y Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip <go@fish> wrote:
>> > Be still and pray homage to Illogic Bomb who posted this on 04 Jun 2004...
>> >
>> >> go@fish (Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip) wrote in
>> >> -vegetables:
>> >>
>> >>> Be still and pray homage to David Fawthrop who posted this on 04 Jun
>> >>> 2004...
>> >>>
>> >>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>> >>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>> >>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>> >>>> shot him in the foot.
>> >>>
>> >>> Did he die?
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Not unless his brain was in his foot or something.
>> >
>> > He could have bled to death.
>>
>> Unlikely.
>> When you set off a cartridge that's not inside a gun, if it's unrestrained
>> the brass simply shoots off the bullet (which is heavier) at a relatively
>> low velocity, due to the very low pressure.
>> If it is restrained, it bursts the cartridge, again at a very low pressure,
>> and with a very short 'barrel', little speed is reached by the bullet.
>>
> I wouldn't be an expert but I was present when a 22 round went off after
> being struck with a nail (don't ask) and it scared the s***t out of me
> as it definitely attained some velocity
It's going to obtain some velocity, but not really very much.
You'd probably get more out of an airgun.
Major Neil Barking
09-06-2004, 06:04 AM
In article: > Ian Stirling
> writes:
>In uk.d-i-y Paul Mc Cann > wrote:
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>> In uk.d-i-y Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip <go@fish> wrote:
>>> > Be still and pray homage to Illogic Bomb who posted this on 04 Jun 2004...
>>> >
>>> >> go@fish (Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip) wrote in
>>> >> -vegetables:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Be still and pray homage to David Fawthrop who posted this on 04 Jun
>>> >>> 2004...
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>>> >>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>>> >>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>>> >>>> shot him in the foot.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Did he die?
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >> Not unless his brain was in his foot or something.
>>> >
>>> > He could have bled to death.
>>>
>>> Unlikely.
>>> When you set off a cartridge that's not inside a gun, if it's unrestrained
>>> the brass simply shoots off the bullet (which is heavier) at a relatively
>>> low velocity, due to the very low pressure.
>>> If it is restrained, it bursts the cartridge, again at a very low pressure,
>>> and with a very short 'barrel', little speed is reached by the bullet.
>>>
>> I wouldn't be an expert but I was present when a 22 round went off after
>> being struck with a nail (don't ask) and it scared the s***t out of me
>> as it definitely attained some velocity
>
>It's going to obtain some velocity, but not really very much.
>You'd probably get more out of an airgun.
How fitting.
--
Neil Barking
>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>> shot him in the foot.
It made for a good newspaper headline, but it's far fetched. If the
slug lodged in his foot, it was probably flung there by the mower
blade. When a bullet is "fired" outside a firearm, the bullet, being
heavier doesn't go very far. The shell case, being lighter flys
farther and at a higher speed. I don't have the reference handy at
the moment, but my recollection was that the experiments documenting
this were done by the miilitary using 30-06 ammunition.
RWL
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In article >,
says...
> In uk.d-i-y Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip <go@fish> wrote:
> > Be still and pray homage to Illogic Bomb who posted this on 04 Jun 2004...
> >
> >> go@fish (Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip) wrote in
> >> -vegetables:
> >>
> >>> Be still and pray homage to David Fawthrop who posted this on 04 Jun
> >>> 2004...
> >>>
> >>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> >>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> >>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> >>>> shot him in the foot.
> >>>
> >>> Did he die?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Not unless his brain was in his foot or something.
> >
> > He could have bled to death.
>
> Unlikely.
> When you set off a cartridge that's not inside a gun, if it's unrestrained
> the brass simply shoots off the bullet (which is heavier) at a relatively
> low velocity, due to the very low pressure.
> If it is restrained, it bursts the cartridge, again at a very low pressure,
> and with a very short 'barrel', little speed is reached by the bullet.
>
I wouldn't be an expert but I was present when a 22 round went off after
being struck with a nail (don't ask) and it scared the s***t out of me
as it definitely attained some velocity
Paul Mc Cann
Dave Fawthrop
09-06-2004, 09:13 AM
On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 20:40:42 +0100, David Fawthrop > wrote:
| Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
| the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
| the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
| shot him in the foot.
Guess why they hate me
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J. Del Col
09-06-2004, 09:13 AM
David Fawthrop > wrote in message >...
> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> shot him in the foot.
This is nonsense.
When a cartridge detonates outside a gun's chamber, the bullet barely
moves. The cartridge case may split and the primer may go flying, but
the bullet travels only a short distance at low velocity. An
unconfined bullet can't develop the pressure necessary to hit with any
force. This has been confirmed by repeated tests. .
If the bullet or case was struck by the blade and sent flying, that's
a different story.
J. Del Col
J. Del Col wrote:
>...When a cartridge detonates outside a gun's chamber, the bullet barely
> moves. The cartridge case may split and the primer may go flying, but
> the bullet travels only a short distance at low velocity. An
> unconfined bullet can't develop the pressure necessary to hit with any
> force. This has been confirmed by repeated tests...
When I was a kid and didn't know any better, we made a gun from a cap
pistol, the kind that used the circular array of 6 caps. We drilled out
the cylinder to fit a .22 caliber bullet and filed down the hammer to
hit at the edge of the shell. The barrel was clear and about 1/2"
diameter. Having done all this, we went out to the field and fired it at
a bottle. After firing 20 or 30 rounds and apparently not hitting the
bottle, we put the muzzle right into the neck of the bottle and fired.
The slug bounced around in the bottom of the intact bottle.
The cylinder must have fit the shell fairly well, because the brass came
out easily (no flaring of the end), but there was nothing past the
cylinder, so the gas from the powder burning just blew by the slug and
it got no appreciable velocity.
This sounds very much like the equally unlikely story of the redneck who
blew a fuse in his truck and replaced it with a .22 cartridge, which
then heated up and exploded, shooting him in the leg or somewhere.
Bill Oliver
09-06-2004, 09:28 AM
In article >,
RWL > wrote:
>
>
>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>>> shot him in the foot.
>
>It made for a good newspaper headline, but it's far fetched. If the
>slug lodged in his foot, it was probably flung there by the mower
>blade. When a bullet is "fired" outside a firearm, the bullet, being
>heavier doesn't go very far. The shell case, being lighter flys
>farther and at a higher speed. I don't have the reference handy at
>the moment, but my recollection was that the experiments documenting
>this were done by the miilitary using 30-06 ammunition.
>
>RWL
>
You are absolutely correct. As noted by Vince DiMaio in "Gunshot Wounds:
Practical Aspects of Firearms, Ballistics, and Forensic Techniques":
None of these missiles, however, is dangerous to life under ordinary
circumstances. The bullet in fact is probably the most harmless of
all these missiles because with its relatively great mass it will
have little velocity. Fragments of brass and primer are the only
components of an exploding round that have sufficient velocity to
cause injury. These fragments can penetrate the skin or eye if the
individual is very close to the exploding cartridge. With the
exception of the eye, however, no serious injury should occur, and
certainly no mortal wound...
Note that small probabilities mean odd things will happen on rare
occasion. I have seen a case of a teenager who was, as I remember,
hitting .22 cal rimfire cartridges with a hammer. A small sliver of
brass penetrated his neck and made a small laceration in the external
carotid artery. He probably would have lived had he sought help, but
instead simply covered up the wound with a Band-Aid and went to bed...
billo
Ian Stirling
09-06-2004, 09:37 AM
In uk.d-i-y Paul Mc Cann > wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>> In uk.d-i-y Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip <go@fish> wrote:
>> > Be still and pray homage to Illogic Bomb who posted this on 04 Jun 2004...
>> >
>> >> go@fish (Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip) wrote in
>> >> -vegetables:
>> >>
>> >>> Be still and pray homage to David Fawthrop who posted this on 04 Jun
>> >>> 2004...
>> >>>
>> >>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>> >>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>> >>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>> >>>> shot him in the foot.
>> >>>
>> >>> Did he die?
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Not unless his brain was in his foot or something.
>> >
>> > He could have bled to death.
>>
>> Unlikely.
>> When you set off a cartridge that's not inside a gun, if it's unrestrained
>> the brass simply shoots off the bullet (which is heavier) at a relatively
>> low velocity, due to the very low pressure.
>> If it is restrained, it bursts the cartridge, again at a very low pressure,
>> and with a very short 'barrel', little speed is reached by the bullet.
>>
> I wouldn't be an expert but I was present when a 22 round went off after
> being struck with a nail (don't ask) and it scared the s***t out of me
> as it definitely attained some velocity
It's going to obtain some velocity, but not really very much.
You'd probably get more out of an airgun.
Major Neil Barking
09-06-2004, 09:38 AM
In article: > Ian Stirling
> writes:
>In uk.d-i-y Paul Mc Cann > wrote:
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>> In uk.d-i-y Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip <go@fish> wrote:
>>> > Be still and pray homage to Illogic Bomb who posted this on 04 Jun 2004...
>>> >
>>> >> go@fish (Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip) wrote in
>>> >> -vegetables:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Be still and pray homage to David Fawthrop who posted this on 04 Jun
>>> >>> 2004...
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>>> >>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>>> >>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>>> >>>> shot him in the foot.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Did he die?
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >> Not unless his brain was in his foot or something.
>>> >
>>> > He could have bled to death.
>>>
>>> Unlikely.
>>> When you set off a cartridge that's not inside a gun, if it's unrestrained
>>> the brass simply shoots off the bullet (which is heavier) at a relatively
>>> low velocity, due to the very low pressure.
>>> If it is restrained, it bursts the cartridge, again at a very low pressure,
>>> and with a very short 'barrel', little speed is reached by the bullet.
>>>
>> I wouldn't be an expert but I was present when a 22 round went off after
>> being struck with a nail (don't ask) and it scared the s***t out of me
>> as it definitely attained some velocity
>
>It's going to obtain some velocity, but not really very much.
>You'd probably get more out of an airgun.
How fitting.
--
Neil Barking
Probably the mower was a Suffolk Colt45!!
"David Fawthrop" > wrote in message
...
> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> shot him in the foot.
>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>> shot him in the foot.
It made for a good newspaper headline, but it's far fetched. If the
slug lodged in his foot, it was probably flung there by the mower
blade. When a bullet is "fired" outside a firearm, the bullet, being
heavier doesn't go very far. The shell case, being lighter flys
farther and at a higher speed. I don't have the reference handy at
the moment, but my recollection was that the experiments documenting
this were done by the miilitary using 30-06 ammunition.
RWL
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In article >,
says...
> In uk.d-i-y Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip <go@fish> wrote:
> > Be still and pray homage to Illogic Bomb who posted this on 04 Jun 2004...
> >
> >> go@fish (Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip) wrote in
> >> -vegetables:
> >>
> >>> Be still and pray homage to David Fawthrop who posted this on 04 Jun
> >>> 2004...
> >>>
> >>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> >>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> >>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> >>>> shot him in the foot.
> >>>
> >>> Did he die?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Not unless his brain was in his foot or something.
> >
> > He could have bled to death.
>
> Unlikely.
> When you set off a cartridge that's not inside a gun, if it's unrestrained
> the brass simply shoots off the bullet (which is heavier) at a relatively
> low velocity, due to the very low pressure.
> If it is restrained, it bursts the cartridge, again at a very low pressure,
> and with a very short 'barrel', little speed is reached by the bullet.
>
I wouldn't be an expert but I was present when a 22 round went off after
being struck with a nail (don't ask) and it scared the s***t out of me
as it definitely attained some velocity
Paul Mc Cann
Dave Fawthrop
09-06-2004, 10:17 AM
On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 20:40:42 +0100, David Fawthrop > wrote:
| Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
| the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
| the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
| shot him in the foot.
Guess why they hate me
--
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J. Del Col
09-06-2004, 10:17 AM
David Fawthrop > wrote in message >...
> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> shot him in the foot.
This is nonsense.
When a cartridge detonates outside a gun's chamber, the bullet barely
moves. The cartridge case may split and the primer may go flying, but
the bullet travels only a short distance at low velocity. An
unconfined bullet can't develop the pressure necessary to hit with any
force. This has been confirmed by repeated tests. .
If the bullet or case was struck by the blade and sent flying, that's
a different story.
J. Del Col
J. Del Col wrote:
>...When a cartridge detonates outside a gun's chamber, the bullet barely
> moves. The cartridge case may split and the primer may go flying, but
> the bullet travels only a short distance at low velocity. An
> unconfined bullet can't develop the pressure necessary to hit with any
> force. This has been confirmed by repeated tests...
When I was a kid and didn't know any better, we made a gun from a cap
pistol, the kind that used the circular array of 6 caps. We drilled out
the cylinder to fit a .22 caliber bullet and filed down the hammer to
hit at the edge of the shell. The barrel was clear and about 1/2"
diameter. Having done all this, we went out to the field and fired it at
a bottle. After firing 20 or 30 rounds and apparently not hitting the
bottle, we put the muzzle right into the neck of the bottle and fired.
The slug bounced around in the bottom of the intact bottle.
The cylinder must have fit the shell fairly well, because the brass came
out easily (no flaring of the end), but there was nothing past the
cylinder, so the gas from the powder burning just blew by the slug and
it got no appreciable velocity.
This sounds very much like the equally unlikely story of the redneck who
blew a fuse in his truck and replaced it with a .22 cartridge, which
then heated up and exploded, shooting him in the leg or somewhere.
Bill Oliver
09-06-2004, 10:32 AM
In article >,
RWL > wrote:
>
>
>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>>> shot him in the foot.
>
>It made for a good newspaper headline, but it's far fetched. If the
>slug lodged in his foot, it was probably flung there by the mower
>blade. When a bullet is "fired" outside a firearm, the bullet, being
>heavier doesn't go very far. The shell case, being lighter flys
>farther and at a higher speed. I don't have the reference handy at
>the moment, but my recollection was that the experiments documenting
>this were done by the miilitary using 30-06 ammunition.
>
>RWL
>
You are absolutely correct. As noted by Vince DiMaio in "Gunshot Wounds:
Practical Aspects of Firearms, Ballistics, and Forensic Techniques":
None of these missiles, however, is dangerous to life under ordinary
circumstances. The bullet in fact is probably the most harmless of
all these missiles because with its relatively great mass it will
have little velocity. Fragments of brass and primer are the only
components of an exploding round that have sufficient velocity to
cause injury. These fragments can penetrate the skin or eye if the
individual is very close to the exploding cartridge. With the
exception of the eye, however, no serious injury should occur, and
certainly no mortal wound...
Note that small probabilities mean odd things will happen on rare
occasion. I have seen a case of a teenager who was, as I remember,
hitting .22 cal rimfire cartridges with a hammer. A small sliver of
brass penetrated his neck and made a small laceration in the external
carotid artery. He probably would have lived had he sought help, but
instead simply covered up the wound with a Band-Aid and went to bed...
billo
Ian Stirling
09-06-2004, 10:41 AM
In uk.d-i-y Paul Mc Cann > wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>> In uk.d-i-y Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip <go@fish> wrote:
>> > Be still and pray homage to Illogic Bomb who posted this on 04 Jun 2004...
>> >
>> >> go@fish (Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip) wrote in
>> >> -vegetables:
>> >>
>> >>> Be still and pray homage to David Fawthrop who posted this on 04 Jun
>> >>> 2004...
>> >>>
>> >>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>> >>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>> >>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>> >>>> shot him in the foot.
>> >>>
>> >>> Did he die?
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Not unless his brain was in his foot or something.
>> >
>> > He could have bled to death.
>>
>> Unlikely.
>> When you set off a cartridge that's not inside a gun, if it's unrestrained
>> the brass simply shoots off the bullet (which is heavier) at a relatively
>> low velocity, due to the very low pressure.
>> If it is restrained, it bursts the cartridge, again at a very low pressure,
>> and with a very short 'barrel', little speed is reached by the bullet.
>>
> I wouldn't be an expert but I was present when a 22 round went off after
> being struck with a nail (don't ask) and it scared the s***t out of me
> as it definitely attained some velocity
It's going to obtain some velocity, but not really very much.
You'd probably get more out of an airgun.
Major Neil Barking
09-06-2004, 10:42 AM
In article: > Ian Stirling
> writes:
>In uk.d-i-y Paul Mc Cann > wrote:
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>> In uk.d-i-y Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip <go@fish> wrote:
>>> > Be still and pray homage to Illogic Bomb who posted this on 04 Jun 2004...
>>> >
>>> >> go@fish (Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip) wrote in
>>> >> -vegetables:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Be still and pray homage to David Fawthrop who posted this on 04 Jun
>>> >>> 2004...
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>>> >>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>>> >>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>>> >>>> shot him in the foot.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Did he die?
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >> Not unless his brain was in his foot or something.
>>> >
>>> > He could have bled to death.
>>>
>>> Unlikely.
>>> When you set off a cartridge that's not inside a gun, if it's unrestrained
>>> the brass simply shoots off the bullet (which is heavier) at a relatively
>>> low velocity, due to the very low pressure.
>>> If it is restrained, it bursts the cartridge, again at a very low pressure,
>>> and with a very short 'barrel', little speed is reached by the bullet.
>>>
>> I wouldn't be an expert but I was present when a 22 round went off after
>> being struck with a nail (don't ask) and it scared the s***t out of me
>> as it definitely attained some velocity
>
>It's going to obtain some velocity, but not really very much.
>You'd probably get more out of an airgun.
How fitting.
--
Neil Barking
Probably the mower was a Suffolk Colt45!!
"David Fawthrop" > wrote in message
...
> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> shot him in the foot.
>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>> shot him in the foot.
It made for a good newspaper headline, but it's far fetched. If the
slug lodged in his foot, it was probably flung there by the mower
blade. When a bullet is "fired" outside a firearm, the bullet, being
heavier doesn't go very far. The shell case, being lighter flys
farther and at a higher speed. I don't have the reference handy at
the moment, but my recollection was that the experiments documenting
this were done by the miilitary using 30-06 ammunition.
RWL
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In article >,
says...
> In uk.d-i-y Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip <go@fish> wrote:
> > Be still and pray homage to Illogic Bomb who posted this on 04 Jun 2004...
> >
> >> go@fish (Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip) wrote in
> >> -vegetables:
> >>
> >>> Be still and pray homage to David Fawthrop who posted this on 04 Jun
> >>> 2004...
> >>>
> >>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> >>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> >>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> >>>> shot him in the foot.
> >>>
> >>> Did he die?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Not unless his brain was in his foot or something.
> >
> > He could have bled to death.
>
> Unlikely.
> When you set off a cartridge that's not inside a gun, if it's unrestrained
> the brass simply shoots off the bullet (which is heavier) at a relatively
> low velocity, due to the very low pressure.
> If it is restrained, it bursts the cartridge, again at a very low pressure,
> and with a very short 'barrel', little speed is reached by the bullet.
>
I wouldn't be an expert but I was present when a 22 round went off after
being struck with a nail (don't ask) and it scared the s***t out of me
as it definitely attained some velocity
Paul Mc Cann
Dave Fawthrop
09-06-2004, 11:17 AM
On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 20:40:42 +0100, David Fawthrop > wrote:
| Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
| the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
| the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
| shot him in the foot.
Guess why they hate me
--
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http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile.
J. Del Col
09-06-2004, 11:17 AM
David Fawthrop > wrote in message >...
> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> shot him in the foot.
This is nonsense.
When a cartridge detonates outside a gun's chamber, the bullet barely
moves. The cartridge case may split and the primer may go flying, but
the bullet travels only a short distance at low velocity. An
unconfined bullet can't develop the pressure necessary to hit with any
force. This has been confirmed by repeated tests. .
If the bullet or case was struck by the blade and sent flying, that's
a different story.
J. Del Col
J. Del Col wrote:
>...When a cartridge detonates outside a gun's chamber, the bullet barely
> moves. The cartridge case may split and the primer may go flying, but
> the bullet travels only a short distance at low velocity. An
> unconfined bullet can't develop the pressure necessary to hit with any
> force. This has been confirmed by repeated tests...
When I was a kid and didn't know any better, we made a gun from a cap
pistol, the kind that used the circular array of 6 caps. We drilled out
the cylinder to fit a .22 caliber bullet and filed down the hammer to
hit at the edge of the shell. The barrel was clear and about 1/2"
diameter. Having done all this, we went out to the field and fired it at
a bottle. After firing 20 or 30 rounds and apparently not hitting the
bottle, we put the muzzle right into the neck of the bottle and fired.
The slug bounced around in the bottom of the intact bottle.
The cylinder must have fit the shell fairly well, because the brass came
out easily (no flaring of the end), but there was nothing past the
cylinder, so the gas from the powder burning just blew by the slug and
it got no appreciable velocity.
This sounds very much like the equally unlikely story of the redneck who
blew a fuse in his truck and replaced it with a .22 cartridge, which
then heated up and exploded, shooting him in the leg or somewhere.
Bill Oliver
09-06-2004, 11:36 AM
In article >,
RWL > wrote:
>
>
>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>>> shot him in the foot.
>
>It made for a good newspaper headline, but it's far fetched. If the
>slug lodged in his foot, it was probably flung there by the mower
>blade. When a bullet is "fired" outside a firearm, the bullet, being
>heavier doesn't go very far. The shell case, being lighter flys
>farther and at a higher speed. I don't have the reference handy at
>the moment, but my recollection was that the experiments documenting
>this were done by the miilitary using 30-06 ammunition.
>
>RWL
>
You are absolutely correct. As noted by Vince DiMaio in "Gunshot Wounds:
Practical Aspects of Firearms, Ballistics, and Forensic Techniques":
None of these missiles, however, is dangerous to life under ordinary
circumstances. The bullet in fact is probably the most harmless of
all these missiles because with its relatively great mass it will
have little velocity. Fragments of brass and primer are the only
components of an exploding round that have sufficient velocity to
cause injury. These fragments can penetrate the skin or eye if the
individual is very close to the exploding cartridge. With the
exception of the eye, however, no serious injury should occur, and
certainly no mortal wound...
Note that small probabilities mean odd things will happen on rare
occasion. I have seen a case of a teenager who was, as I remember,
hitting .22 cal rimfire cartridges with a hammer. A small sliver of
brass penetrated his neck and made a small laceration in the external
carotid artery. He probably would have lived had he sought help, but
instead simply covered up the wound with a Band-Aid and went to bed...
billo
Ian Stirling
09-06-2004, 11:51 AM
In uk.d-i-y Paul Mc Cann > wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>> In uk.d-i-y Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip <go@fish> wrote:
>> > Be still and pray homage to Illogic Bomb who posted this on 04 Jun 2004...
>> >
>> >> go@fish (Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip) wrote in
>> >> -vegetables:
>> >>
>> >>> Be still and pray homage to David Fawthrop who posted this on 04 Jun
>> >>> 2004...
>> >>>
>> >>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>> >>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>> >>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>> >>>> shot him in the foot.
>> >>>
>> >>> Did he die?
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Not unless his brain was in his foot or something.
>> >
>> > He could have bled to death.
>>
>> Unlikely.
>> When you set off a cartridge that's not inside a gun, if it's unrestrained
>> the brass simply shoots off the bullet (which is heavier) at a relatively
>> low velocity, due to the very low pressure.
>> If it is restrained, it bursts the cartridge, again at a very low pressure,
>> and with a very short 'barrel', little speed is reached by the bullet.
>>
> I wouldn't be an expert but I was present when a 22 round went off after
> being struck with a nail (don't ask) and it scared the s***t out of me
> as it definitely attained some velocity
It's going to obtain some velocity, but not really very much.
You'd probably get more out of an airgun.
Major Neil Barking
09-06-2004, 11:51 AM
In article: > Ian Stirling
> writes:
>In uk.d-i-y Paul Mc Cann > wrote:
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>> In uk.d-i-y Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip <go@fish> wrote:
>>> > Be still and pray homage to Illogic Bomb who posted this on 04 Jun 2004...
>>> >
>>> >> go@fish (Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip) wrote in
>>> >> -vegetables:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Be still and pray homage to David Fawthrop who posted this on 04 Jun
>>> >>> 2004...
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>>> >>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>>> >>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>>> >>>> shot him in the foot.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Did he die?
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >> Not unless his brain was in his foot or something.
>>> >
>>> > He could have bled to death.
>>>
>>> Unlikely.
>>> When you set off a cartridge that's not inside a gun, if it's unrestrained
>>> the brass simply shoots off the bullet (which is heavier) at a relatively
>>> low velocity, due to the very low pressure.
>>> If it is restrained, it bursts the cartridge, again at a very low pressure,
>>> and with a very short 'barrel', little speed is reached by the bullet.
>>>
>> I wouldn't be an expert but I was present when a 22 round went off after
>> being struck with a nail (don't ask) and it scared the s***t out of me
>> as it definitely attained some velocity
>
>It's going to obtain some velocity, but not really very much.
>You'd probably get more out of an airgun.
How fitting.
--
Neil Barking
>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>> shot him in the foot.
It made for a good newspaper headline, but it's far fetched. If the
slug lodged in his foot, it was probably flung there by the mower
blade. When a bullet is "fired" outside a firearm, the bullet, being
heavier doesn't go very far. The shell case, being lighter flys
farther and at a higher speed. I don't have the reference handy at
the moment, but my recollection was that the experiments documenting
this were done by the miilitary using 30-06 ammunition.
RWL
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Probably the mower was a Suffolk Colt45!!
"David Fawthrop" > wrote in message
...
> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> shot him in the foot.
Paul Mc Cann
09-06-2004, 12:14 PM
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In article >,
says...
> In uk.d-i-y Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip <go@fish> wrote:
> > Be still and pray homage to Illogic Bomb who posted this on 04 Jun 2004...
> >
> >> go@fish (Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip) wrote in
> >> -vegetables:
> >>
> >>> Be still and pray homage to David Fawthrop who posted this on 04 Jun
> >>> 2004...
> >>>
> >>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> >>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> >>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> >>>> shot him in the foot.
> >>>
> >>> Did he die?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Not unless his brain was in his foot or something.
> >
> > He could have bled to death.
>
> Unlikely.
> When you set off a cartridge that's not inside a gun, if it's unrestrained
> the brass simply shoots off the bullet (which is heavier) at a relatively
> low velocity, due to the very low pressure.
> If it is restrained, it bursts the cartridge, again at a very low pressure,
> and with a very short 'barrel', little speed is reached by the bullet.
>
I wouldn't be an expert but I was present when a 22 round went off after
being struck with a nail (don't ask) and it scared the s***t out of me
as it definitely attained some velocity
Paul Mc Cann
Dave Fawthrop
09-06-2004, 12:18 PM
On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 20:40:42 +0100, David Fawthrop > wrote:
| Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
| the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
| the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
| shot him in the foot.
Guess why they hate me
--
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J. Del Col
09-06-2004, 12:18 PM
David Fawthrop > wrote in message >...
> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> shot him in the foot.
This is nonsense.
When a cartridge detonates outside a gun's chamber, the bullet barely
moves. The cartridge case may split and the primer may go flying, but
the bullet travels only a short distance at low velocity. An
unconfined bullet can't develop the pressure necessary to hit with any
force. This has been confirmed by repeated tests. .
If the bullet or case was struck by the blade and sent flying, that's
a different story.
J. Del Col
J. Del Col wrote:
>...When a cartridge detonates outside a gun's chamber, the bullet barely
> moves. The cartridge case may split and the primer may go flying, but
> the bullet travels only a short distance at low velocity. An
> unconfined bullet can't develop the pressure necessary to hit with any
> force. This has been confirmed by repeated tests...
When I was a kid and didn't know any better, we made a gun from a cap
pistol, the kind that used the circular array of 6 caps. We drilled out
the cylinder to fit a .22 caliber bullet and filed down the hammer to
hit at the edge of the shell. The barrel was clear and about 1/2"
diameter. Having done all this, we went out to the field and fired it at
a bottle. After firing 20 or 30 rounds and apparently not hitting the
bottle, we put the muzzle right into the neck of the bottle and fired.
The slug bounced around in the bottom of the intact bottle.
The cylinder must have fit the shell fairly well, because the brass came
out easily (no flaring of the end), but there was nothing past the
cylinder, so the gas from the powder burning just blew by the slug and
it got no appreciable velocity.
This sounds very much like the equally unlikely story of the redneck who
blew a fuse in his truck and replaced it with a .22 cartridge, which
then heated up and exploded, shooting him in the leg or somewhere.
Bill Oliver
09-06-2004, 12:32 PM
In article >,
RWL > wrote:
>
>
>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>>> shot him in the foot.
>
>It made for a good newspaper headline, but it's far fetched. If the
>slug lodged in his foot, it was probably flung there by the mower
>blade. When a bullet is "fired" outside a firearm, the bullet, being
>heavier doesn't go very far. The shell case, being lighter flys
>farther and at a higher speed. I don't have the reference handy at
>the moment, but my recollection was that the experiments documenting
>this were done by the miilitary using 30-06 ammunition.
>
>RWL
>
You are absolutely correct. As noted by Vince DiMaio in "Gunshot Wounds:
Practical Aspects of Firearms, Ballistics, and Forensic Techniques":
None of these missiles, however, is dangerous to life under ordinary
circumstances. The bullet in fact is probably the most harmless of
all these missiles because with its relatively great mass it will
have little velocity. Fragments of brass and primer are the only
components of an exploding round that have sufficient velocity to
cause injury. These fragments can penetrate the skin or eye if the
individual is very close to the exploding cartridge. With the
exception of the eye, however, no serious injury should occur, and
certainly no mortal wound...
Note that small probabilities mean odd things will happen on rare
occasion. I have seen a case of a teenager who was, as I remember,
hitting .22 cal rimfire cartridges with a hammer. A small sliver of
brass penetrated his neck and made a small laceration in the external
carotid artery. He probably would have lived had he sought help, but
instead simply covered up the wound with a Band-Aid and went to bed...
billo
Ian Stirling
09-06-2004, 12:41 PM
In uk.d-i-y Paul Mc Cann > wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>> In uk.d-i-y Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip <go@fish> wrote:
>> > Be still and pray homage to Illogic Bomb who posted this on 04 Jun 2004...
>> >
>> >> go@fish (Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip) wrote in
>> >> -vegetables:
>> >>
>> >>> Be still and pray homage to David Fawthrop who posted this on 04 Jun
>> >>> 2004...
>> >>>
>> >>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>> >>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>> >>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>> >>>> shot him in the foot.
>> >>>
>> >>> Did he die?
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Not unless his brain was in his foot or something.
>> >
>> > He could have bled to death.
>>
>> Unlikely.
>> When you set off a cartridge that's not inside a gun, if it's unrestrained
>> the brass simply shoots off the bullet (which is heavier) at a relatively
>> low velocity, due to the very low pressure.
>> If it is restrained, it bursts the cartridge, again at a very low pressure,
>> and with a very short 'barrel', little speed is reached by the bullet.
>>
> I wouldn't be an expert but I was present when a 22 round went off after
> being struck with a nail (don't ask) and it scared the s***t out of me
> as it definitely attained some velocity
It's going to obtain some velocity, but not really very much.
You'd probably get more out of an airgun.
Major Neil Barking
09-06-2004, 12:42 PM
In article: > Ian Stirling
> writes:
>In uk.d-i-y Paul Mc Cann > wrote:
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>> In uk.d-i-y Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip <go@fish> wrote:
>>> > Be still and pray homage to Illogic Bomb who posted this on 04 Jun 2004...
>>> >
>>> >> go@fish (Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip) wrote in
>>> >> -vegetables:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Be still and pray homage to David Fawthrop who posted this on 04 Jun
>>> >>> 2004...
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>>> >>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>>> >>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>>> >>>> shot him in the foot.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Did he die?
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >> Not unless his brain was in his foot or something.
>>> >
>>> > He could have bled to death.
>>>
>>> Unlikely.
>>> When you set off a cartridge that's not inside a gun, if it's unrestrained
>>> the brass simply shoots off the bullet (which is heavier) at a relatively
>>> low velocity, due to the very low pressure.
>>> If it is restrained, it bursts the cartridge, again at a very low pressure,
>>> and with a very short 'barrel', little speed is reached by the bullet.
>>>
>> I wouldn't be an expert but I was present when a 22 round went off after
>> being struck with a nail (don't ask) and it scared the s***t out of me
>> as it definitely attained some velocity
>
>It's going to obtain some velocity, but not really very much.
>You'd probably get more out of an airgun.
How fitting.
--
Neil Barking
Probably the mower was a Suffolk Colt45!!
"David Fawthrop" > wrote in message
...
> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> shot him in the foot.
>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>> shot him in the foot.
It made for a good newspaper headline, but it's far fetched. If the
slug lodged in his foot, it was probably flung there by the mower
blade. When a bullet is "fired" outside a firearm, the bullet, being
heavier doesn't go very far. The shell case, being lighter flys
farther and at a higher speed. I don't have the reference handy at
the moment, but my recollection was that the experiments documenting
this were done by the miilitary using 30-06 ammunition.
RWL
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Paul Mc Cann
09-06-2004, 01:14 PM
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In article >,
says...
> In uk.d-i-y Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip <go@fish> wrote:
> > Be still and pray homage to Illogic Bomb who posted this on 04 Jun 2004...
> >
> >> go@fish (Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip) wrote in
> >> -vegetables:
> >>
> >>> Be still and pray homage to David Fawthrop who posted this on 04 Jun
> >>> 2004...
> >>>
> >>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> >>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> >>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> >>>> shot him in the foot.
> >>>
> >>> Did he die?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Not unless his brain was in his foot or something.
> >
> > He could have bled to death.
>
> Unlikely.
> When you set off a cartridge that's not inside a gun, if it's unrestrained
> the brass simply shoots off the bullet (which is heavier) at a relatively
> low velocity, due to the very low pressure.
> If it is restrained, it bursts the cartridge, again at a very low pressure,
> and with a very short 'barrel', little speed is reached by the bullet.
>
I wouldn't be an expert but I was present when a 22 round went off after
being struck with a nail (don't ask) and it scared the s***t out of me
as it definitely attained some velocity
Paul Mc Cann
Dave Fawthrop
09-06-2004, 01:17 PM
On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 20:40:42 +0100, David Fawthrop > wrote:
| Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
| the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
| the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
| shot him in the foot.
Guess why they hate me
--
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Killfile and Anti Troll FAQs at
http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile.
J. Del Col
09-06-2004, 01:17 PM
David Fawthrop > wrote in message >...
> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> shot him in the foot.
This is nonsense.
When a cartridge detonates outside a gun's chamber, the bullet barely
moves. The cartridge case may split and the primer may go flying, but
the bullet travels only a short distance at low velocity. An
unconfined bullet can't develop the pressure necessary to hit with any
force. This has been confirmed by repeated tests. .
If the bullet or case was struck by the blade and sent flying, that's
a different story.
J. Del Col
J. Del Col wrote:
>...When a cartridge detonates outside a gun's chamber, the bullet barely
> moves. The cartridge case may split and the primer may go flying, but
> the bullet travels only a short distance at low velocity. An
> unconfined bullet can't develop the pressure necessary to hit with any
> force. This has been confirmed by repeated tests...
When I was a kid and didn't know any better, we made a gun from a cap
pistol, the kind that used the circular array of 6 caps. We drilled out
the cylinder to fit a .22 caliber bullet and filed down the hammer to
hit at the edge of the shell. The barrel was clear and about 1/2"
diameter. Having done all this, we went out to the field and fired it at
a bottle. After firing 20 or 30 rounds and apparently not hitting the
bottle, we put the muzzle right into the neck of the bottle and fired.
The slug bounced around in the bottom of the intact bottle.
The cylinder must have fit the shell fairly well, because the brass came
out easily (no flaring of the end), but there was nothing past the
cylinder, so the gas from the powder burning just blew by the slug and
it got no appreciable velocity.
This sounds very much like the equally unlikely story of the redneck who
blew a fuse in his truck and replaced it with a .22 cartridge, which
then heated up and exploded, shooting him in the leg or somewhere.
Bill Oliver
09-06-2004, 01:31 PM
In article >,
RWL > wrote:
>
>
>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>>> shot him in the foot.
>
>It made for a good newspaper headline, but it's far fetched. If the
>slug lodged in his foot, it was probably flung there by the mower
>blade. When a bullet is "fired" outside a firearm, the bullet, being
>heavier doesn't go very far. The shell case, being lighter flys
>farther and at a higher speed. I don't have the reference handy at
>the moment, but my recollection was that the experiments documenting
>this were done by the miilitary using 30-06 ammunition.
>
>RWL
>
You are absolutely correct. As noted by Vince DiMaio in "Gunshot Wounds:
Practical Aspects of Firearms, Ballistics, and Forensic Techniques":
None of these missiles, however, is dangerous to life under ordinary
circumstances. The bullet in fact is probably the most harmless of
all these missiles because with its relatively great mass it will
have little velocity. Fragments of brass and primer are the only
components of an exploding round that have sufficient velocity to
cause injury. These fragments can penetrate the skin or eye if the
individual is very close to the exploding cartridge. With the
exception of the eye, however, no serious injury should occur, and
certainly no mortal wound...
Note that small probabilities mean odd things will happen on rare
occasion. I have seen a case of a teenager who was, as I remember,
hitting .22 cal rimfire cartridges with a hammer. A small sliver of
brass penetrated his neck and made a small laceration in the external
carotid artery. He probably would have lived had he sought help, but
instead simply covered up the wound with a Band-Aid and went to bed...
billo
Ian Stirling
09-06-2004, 01:39 PM
In uk.d-i-y Paul Mc Cann > wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>> In uk.d-i-y Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip <go@fish> wrote:
>> > Be still and pray homage to Illogic Bomb who posted this on 04 Jun 2004...
>> >
>> >> go@fish (Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip) wrote in
>> >> -vegetables:
>> >>
>> >>> Be still and pray homage to David Fawthrop who posted this on 04 Jun
>> >>> 2004...
>> >>>
>> >>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>> >>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>> >>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>> >>>> shot him in the foot.
>> >>>
>> >>> Did he die?
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Not unless his brain was in his foot or something.
>> >
>> > He could have bled to death.
>>
>> Unlikely.
>> When you set off a cartridge that's not inside a gun, if it's unrestrained
>> the brass simply shoots off the bullet (which is heavier) at a relatively
>> low velocity, due to the very low pressure.
>> If it is restrained, it bursts the cartridge, again at a very low pressure,
>> and with a very short 'barrel', little speed is reached by the bullet.
>>
> I wouldn't be an expert but I was present when a 22 round went off after
> being struck with a nail (don't ask) and it scared the s***t out of me
> as it definitely attained some velocity
It's going to obtain some velocity, but not really very much.
You'd probably get more out of an airgun.
Major Neil Barking
09-06-2004, 01:40 PM
In article: > Ian Stirling
> writes:
>In uk.d-i-y Paul Mc Cann > wrote:
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>> In uk.d-i-y Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip <go@fish> wrote:
>>> > Be still and pray homage to Illogic Bomb who posted this on 04 Jun 2004...
>>> >
>>> >> go@fish (Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip) wrote in
>>> >> -vegetables:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Be still and pray homage to David Fawthrop who posted this on 04 Jun
>>> >>> 2004...
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>>> >>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>>> >>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>>> >>>> shot him in the foot.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Did he die?
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >> Not unless his brain was in his foot or something.
>>> >
>>> > He could have bled to death.
>>>
>>> Unlikely.
>>> When you set off a cartridge that's not inside a gun, if it's unrestrained
>>> the brass simply shoots off the bullet (which is heavier) at a relatively
>>> low velocity, due to the very low pressure.
>>> If it is restrained, it bursts the cartridge, again at a very low pressure,
>>> and with a very short 'barrel', little speed is reached by the bullet.
>>>
>> I wouldn't be an expert but I was present when a 22 round went off after
>> being struck with a nail (don't ask) and it scared the s***t out of me
>> as it definitely attained some velocity
>
>It's going to obtain some velocity, but not really very much.
>You'd probably get more out of an airgun.
How fitting.
--
Neil Barking
Probably the mower was a Suffolk Colt45!!
"David Fawthrop" > wrote in message
...
> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> shot him in the foot.
>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>> shot him in the foot.
It made for a good newspaper headline, but it's far fetched. If the
slug lodged in his foot, it was probably flung there by the mower
blade. When a bullet is "fired" outside a firearm, the bullet, being
heavier doesn't go very far. The shell case, being lighter flys
farther and at a higher speed. I don't have the reference handy at
the moment, but my recollection was that the experiments documenting
this were done by the miilitary using 30-06 ammunition.
RWL
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Paul Mc Cann
09-06-2004, 02:14 PM
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In article >,
says...
> In uk.d-i-y Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip <go@fish> wrote:
> > Be still and pray homage to Illogic Bomb who posted this on 04 Jun 2004...
> >
> >> go@fish (Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip) wrote in
> >> -vegetables:
> >>
> >>> Be still and pray homage to David Fawthrop who posted this on 04 Jun
> >>> 2004...
> >>>
> >>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> >>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> >>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> >>>> shot him in the foot.
> >>>
> >>> Did he die?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Not unless his brain was in his foot or something.
> >
> > He could have bled to death.
>
> Unlikely.
> When you set off a cartridge that's not inside a gun, if it's unrestrained
> the brass simply shoots off the bullet (which is heavier) at a relatively
> low velocity, due to the very low pressure.
> If it is restrained, it bursts the cartridge, again at a very low pressure,
> and with a very short 'barrel', little speed is reached by the bullet.
>
I wouldn't be an expert but I was present when a 22 round went off after
being struck with a nail (don't ask) and it scared the s***t out of me
as it definitely attained some velocity
Paul Mc Cann
Dave Fawthrop
09-06-2004, 02:17 PM
On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 20:40:42 +0100, David Fawthrop > wrote:
| Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
| the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
| the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
| shot him in the foot.
Guess why they hate me
--
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http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile.
J. Del Col
09-06-2004, 02:17 PM
David Fawthrop > wrote in message >...
> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> shot him in the foot.
This is nonsense.
When a cartridge detonates outside a gun's chamber, the bullet barely
moves. The cartridge case may split and the primer may go flying, but
the bullet travels only a short distance at low velocity. An
unconfined bullet can't develop the pressure necessary to hit with any
force. This has been confirmed by repeated tests. .
If the bullet or case was struck by the blade and sent flying, that's
a different story.
J. Del Col
J. Del Col wrote:
>...When a cartridge detonates outside a gun's chamber, the bullet barely
> moves. The cartridge case may split and the primer may go flying, but
> the bullet travels only a short distance at low velocity. An
> unconfined bullet can't develop the pressure necessary to hit with any
> force. This has been confirmed by repeated tests...
When I was a kid and didn't know any better, we made a gun from a cap
pistol, the kind that used the circular array of 6 caps. We drilled out
the cylinder to fit a .22 caliber bullet and filed down the hammer to
hit at the edge of the shell. The barrel was clear and about 1/2"
diameter. Having done all this, we went out to the field and fired it at
a bottle. After firing 20 or 30 rounds and apparently not hitting the
bottle, we put the muzzle right into the neck of the bottle and fired.
The slug bounced around in the bottom of the intact bottle.
The cylinder must have fit the shell fairly well, because the brass came
out easily (no flaring of the end), but there was nothing past the
cylinder, so the gas from the powder burning just blew by the slug and
it got no appreciable velocity.
This sounds very much like the equally unlikely story of the redneck who
blew a fuse in his truck and replaced it with a .22 cartridge, which
then heated up and exploded, shooting him in the leg or somewhere.
Bill Oliver
09-06-2004, 02:31 PM
In article >,
RWL > wrote:
>
>
>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>>> shot him in the foot.
>
>It made for a good newspaper headline, but it's far fetched. If the
>slug lodged in his foot, it was probably flung there by the mower
>blade. When a bullet is "fired" outside a firearm, the bullet, being
>heavier doesn't go very far. The shell case, being lighter flys
>farther and at a higher speed. I don't have the reference handy at
>the moment, but my recollection was that the experiments documenting
>this were done by the miilitary using 30-06 ammunition.
>
>RWL
>
You are absolutely correct. As noted by Vince DiMaio in "Gunshot Wounds:
Practical Aspects of Firearms, Ballistics, and Forensic Techniques":
None of these missiles, however, is dangerous to life under ordinary
circumstances. The bullet in fact is probably the most harmless of
all these missiles because with its relatively great mass it will
have little velocity. Fragments of brass and primer are the only
components of an exploding round that have sufficient velocity to
cause injury. These fragments can penetrate the skin or eye if the
individual is very close to the exploding cartridge. With the
exception of the eye, however, no serious injury should occur, and
certainly no mortal wound...
Note that small probabilities mean odd things will happen on rare
occasion. I have seen a case of a teenager who was, as I remember,
hitting .22 cal rimfire cartridges with a hammer. A small sliver of
brass penetrated his neck and made a small laceration in the external
carotid artery. He probably would have lived had he sought help, but
instead simply covered up the wound with a Band-Aid and went to bed...
billo
Ian Stirling
09-06-2004, 02:40 PM
In uk.d-i-y Paul Mc Cann > wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>> In uk.d-i-y Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip <go@fish> wrote:
>> > Be still and pray homage to Illogic Bomb who posted this on 04 Jun 2004...
>> >
>> >> go@fish (Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip) wrote in
>> >> -vegetables:
>> >>
>> >>> Be still and pray homage to David Fawthrop who posted this on 04 Jun
>> >>> 2004...
>> >>>
>> >>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>> >>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>> >>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>> >>>> shot him in the foot.
>> >>>
>> >>> Did he die?
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Not unless his brain was in his foot or something.
>> >
>> > He could have bled to death.
>>
>> Unlikely.
>> When you set off a cartridge that's not inside a gun, if it's unrestrained
>> the brass simply shoots off the bullet (which is heavier) at a relatively
>> low velocity, due to the very low pressure.
>> If it is restrained, it bursts the cartridge, again at a very low pressure,
>> and with a very short 'barrel', little speed is reached by the bullet.
>>
> I wouldn't be an expert but I was present when a 22 round went off after
> being struck with a nail (don't ask) and it scared the s***t out of me
> as it definitely attained some velocity
It's going to obtain some velocity, but not really very much.
You'd probably get more out of an airgun.
Major Neil Barking
09-06-2004, 02:41 PM
In article: > Ian Stirling
> writes:
>In uk.d-i-y Paul Mc Cann > wrote:
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>> In uk.d-i-y Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip <go@fish> wrote:
>>> > Be still and pray homage to Illogic Bomb who posted this on 04 Jun 2004...
>>> >
>>> >> go@fish (Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip) wrote in
>>> >> -vegetables:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Be still and pray homage to David Fawthrop who posted this on 04 Jun
>>> >>> 2004...
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
>>> >>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
>>> >>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
>>> >>>> shot him in the foot.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Did he die?
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >> Not unless his brain was in his foot or something.
>>> >
>>> > He could have bled to death.
>>>
>>> Unlikely.
>>> When you set off a cartridge that's not inside a gun, if it's unrestrained
>>> the brass simply shoots off the bullet (which is heavier) at a relatively
>>> low velocity, due to the very low pressure.
>>> If it is restrained, it bursts the cartridge, again at a very low pressure,
>>> and with a very short 'barrel', little speed is reached by the bullet.
>>>
>> I wouldn't be an expert but I was present when a 22 round went off after
>> being struck with a nail (don't ask) and it scared the s***t out of me
>> as it definitely attained some velocity
>
>It's going to obtain some velocity, but not really very much.
>You'd probably get more out of an airgun.
How fitting.
--
Neil Barking
Probably the mower was a Suffolk Colt45!!
"David Fawthrop" > wrote in message
...
> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> shot him in the foot.
J. Del Col
09-06-2004, 03:32 PM
dps > wrote in message >...
> J. Del Col wrote:
> >...When a cartridge detonates outside a gun's chamber, the bullet barely
> > moves. The cartridge case may split and the primer may go flying, but
> > the bullet travels only a short distance at low velocity. An
> > unconfined bullet can't develop the pressure necessary to hit with any
> > force. This has been confirmed by repeated tests...
>
>
>
> When I was a kid and didn't know any better, we made a gun from a cap
> pistol, the kind that used the circular array of 6 caps. We drilled out
> the cylinder to fit a .22 caliber bullet and filed down the hammer to
> hit at the edge of the shell. The barrel was clear and about 1/2"
> diameter. Having done all this, we went out to the field and fired it at
> a bottle. After firing 20 or 30 rounds and apparently not hitting the
> bottle, we put the muzzle right into the neck of the bottle and fired.
>
> The slug bounced around in the bottom of the intact bottle.
>
> The cylinder must have fit the shell fairly well, because the brass came
> out easily (no flaring of the end), but there was nothing past the
> cylinder, so the gas from the powder burning just blew by the slug and
> it got no appreciable velocity.......
Yes, a .22 cal bullet rattling down a .45 cal barrel isn't going to
move very fast.
There was also probably a rather large gap between the cylinder and
the barrel; this would have allowed even more gas to escape.
OTOH, it's a good thing it didn't develp much pressure--you still can
count in base ten.
As far as the OP is concerned, someone may indeed have shot the good
reverend, but it wasn't the lawnmower.
J. Del Col
Paul Mc Cann
09-06-2004, 03:52 PM
In article >,
says...
> In uk.d-i-y Paul Mc Cann > wrote:
> > In article >,
> > says...
> >> In uk.d-i-y Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip <go@fish> wrote:
> >> > Be still and pray homage to Illogic Bomb who posted this on 04 Jun 2004...
> >> >
> >> >> go@fish (Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip) wrote in
> >> >> -vegetables:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Be still and pray homage to David Fawthrop who posted this on 04 Jun
> >> >>> 2004...
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Robert Heinbaugh of Plainsville, Ohio, has the distinction of being
> >> >>>> the first person in the world to be shot by a lawn mower... As he cut
> >> >>>> the grass one evening, he ran over a live bullet which went off and
> >> >>>> shot him in the foot.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Did he die?
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> Not unless his brain was in his foot or something.
> >> >
> >> > He could have bled to death.
> >>
> >> Unlikely.
> >> When you set off a cartridge that's not inside a gun, if it's unrestrained
> >> the brass simply shoots off the bullet (which is heavier) at a relatively
> >> low velocity, due to the very low pressure.
> >> If it is restrained, it bursts the cartridge, again at a very low pressure,
> >> and with a very short 'barrel', little speed is reached by the bullet.
> >>
> > I wouldn't be an expert but I was present when a 22 round went off after
> > being struck with a nail (don't ask) and it scared the s***t out of me
> > as it definitely attained some velocity
>
> It's going to obtain some velocity, but not really very much.
> You'd probably get more out of an airgun.
>
Its a long time ago bit ISTR the bullet was held in a metalworkers vice
before the percussion cap was struck with a nail. The brass case did not
collapse and the bullet couldn't be found !
Maybe they made them better in those days ;')
Paul Mc Cann
Gardñ@Gardñ.info
10-06-2004, 06:05 AM
(Bill Oliver) in
:
> You are absolutely correct. As noted by Vince DiMaio in "Gunshot
> Wounds: Practical Aspects of Firearms, Ballistics, and Forensic
> Techniques":
>
> None of these missiles, however, is dangerous to life under ordinary
> circumstances. The bullet in fact is probably the most harmless of
> all these missiles because with its relatively great mass it will
> have little velocity. Fragments of brass and primer are the only
> components of an exploding round that have sufficient velocity to
> cause injury. These fragments can penetrate the skin or eye if the
> individual is very close to the exploding cartridge. With the
> exception of the eye, however, no serious injury should occur, and
> certainly no mortal wound...
>
> Note that small probabilities mean odd things will happen on rare
> occasion. I have seen a case of a teenager who was, as I remember,
> hitting .22 cal rimfire cartridges with a hammer. A small sliver of
> brass penetrated his neck and made a small laceration in the external
> carotid artery. He probably would have lived had he sought help, but
> instead simply covered up the wound with a Band-Aid and went to bed...
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