Merit Insecticide Question

[Peter]

I spread a 14 pound bag of Bayer Merit granulated on my yard last night, and
watered the lawn afterward with between 0.25 and 0.5 inches of water to wash
it in. I'm attempting to kill Japanese beetle grubs - have had a bad
problem for the last tow years. I applied the Merit at a heavier rate than
recommended. The recommended rate is 2.8 lbs/1000, I used 3.8 lbs/1000. My
soil is clay and perculates a little slow.

Tonight we had a heavy thunderstorm and heavy rain. We got about 1 inch of
rain in about 15 minutes.

My question is; did all of my Merit wash away? Should I reapply?

Thanks

Peter

[William W. Plummer]

Peter wrote:
> I spread a 14 pound bag of Bayer Merit granulated on my yard last night, and
> watered the lawn afterward with between 0.25 and 0.5 inches of water to wash
> it in. I'm attempting to kill Japanese beetle grubs - have had a bad
> problem for the last tow years. I applied the Merit at a heavier rate than
> recommended. The recommended rate is 2.8 lbs/1000, I used 3.8 lbs/1000. My
> soil is clay and perculates a little slow.
>
> Tonight we had a heavy thunderstorm and heavy rain. We got about 1 inch of
> rain in about 15 minutes.
>
> My question is; did all of my Merit wash away? Should I reapply?
>
> Thanks
>
> Peter
>
>
It doesn't matter. The grubs have become Japanese beetles and are
flying around now. Reapply before July 4 next year.

[Steveo]

"William W. Plummer" > wrote:
> Peter wrote:
> > I spread a 14 pound bag of Bayer Merit granulated on my yard last
> > night, and watered the lawn afterward with between 0.25 and 0.5 inches
> > of water to wash it in. I'm attempting to kill Japanese beetle grubs -
> > have had a bad problem for the last tow years. I applied the Merit at a
> > heavier rate than recommended. The recommended rate is 2.8 lbs/1000, I
> > used 3.8 lbs/1000. My soil is clay and perculates a little slow.
> >
> > Tonight we had a heavy thunderstorm and heavy rain. We got about 1
> > inch of rain in about 15 minutes.
> >
> > My question is; did all of my Merit wash away? Should I reapply?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
> It doesn't matter. The grubs have become Japanese beetles and are
> flying around now. Reapply before July 4 next year.
>
Heh, what do you think those beetles are doing when they're not
feeding?... That's right, laying eggs for the next generation.

The Merit will protect Peter's lawn from grub damage this fall
and consequently next spring too.

I really doubt it has washed away, Peter. It clings to organic
material real well.

[Peter]

Thanks for you reply Steveo.

Will it hurt my lawn to reapply? I *really* need to wack the grubs bad.
They got me the last two years before I realized what was going on. I want
the mothers dead.

Peter

"
> > Peter wrote:
> > > I spread a 14 pound bag of Bayer Merit granulated on my yard last
> > > night, and watered the lawn afterward with between 0.25 and 0.5 inches
> > > of water to wash it in. I'm attempting to kill Japanese beetle
grubs -
> > > have had a bad problem for the last tow years. I applied the Merit at
a
> > > heavier rate than recommended. The recommended rate is 2.8 lbs/1000,
I
> > > used 3.8 lbs/1000. My soil is clay and perculates a little slow.
> > >
> > > Tonight we had a heavy thunderstorm and heavy rain. We got about 1
> > > inch of rain in about 15 minutes.
> > >
> > > My question is; did all of my Merit wash away? Should I reapply?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
> > >
> > It doesn't matter. The grubs have become Japanese beetles and are
> > flying around now. Reapply before July 4 next year.
> >
> Heh, what do you think those beetles are doing when they're not
> feeding?... That's right, laying eggs for the next generation.
>
> The Merit will protect Peter's lawn from grub damage this fall
> and consequently next spring too.
>
> I really doubt it has washed away, Peter. It clings to organic
> material real well.

[Steveo]

No, it won't hurt anything but your wallet. :)

"Peter" > wrote:
> Thanks for you reply Steveo.
>
> Will it hurt my lawn to reapply? I *really* need to wack the grubs bad.
> They got me the last two years before I realized what was going on. I
> want the mothers dead.
>
> Peter
>
> "
> > > Peter wrote:
> > > > I spread a 14 pound bag of Bayer Merit granulated on my yard last
> > > > night, and watered the lawn afterward with between 0.25 and 0.5
> > > > inches of water to wash it in. I'm attempting to kill Japanese
> > > > beetle
> grubs -
> > > > have had a bad problem for the last tow years. I applied the Merit
> > > > at
> a
> > > > heavier rate than recommended. The recommended rate is 2.8
> > > > lbs/1000,
> I
> > > > used 3.8 lbs/1000. My soil is clay and perculates a little slow.
> > > >
> > > > Tonight we had a heavy thunderstorm and heavy rain. We got about 1
> > > > inch of rain in about 15 minutes.
> > > >
> > > > My question is; did all of my Merit wash away? Should I reapply?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > Peter
> > > >
> > > >
> > > It doesn't matter. The grubs have become Japanese beetles and are
> > > flying around now. Reapply before July 4 next year.
> > >
> > Heh, what do you think those beetles are doing when they're not
> > feeding?... That's right, laying eggs for the next generation.
> >
> > The Merit will protect Peter's lawn from grub damage this fall
> > and consequently next spring too.
> >
> > I really doubt it has washed away, Peter. It clings to organic
> > material real well.

[Peter H]

"Steveo" > wrote in message
...
> No, it won't hurt anything but your wallet. :)
>
> "Peter" > wrote:
> > Thanks for you reply Steveo.
> >
> > Will it hurt my lawn to reapply? I *really* need to wack the grubs bad.
> > They got me the last two years before I realized what was going on. I
> > want the mothers dead.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > "
> > > > Peter wrote:
> > > > > I spread a 14 pound bag of Bayer Merit granulated on my yard last
> > > > > night, and watered the lawn afterward with between 0.25 and 0.5
> > > > > inches of water to wash it in. I'm attempting to kill Japanese
> > > > > beetle
> > grubs -
> > > > > have had a bad problem for the last tow years. I applied the Merit
> > > > > at
> > a
> > > > > heavier rate than recommended. The recommended rate is 2.8
> > > > > lbs/1000,
> > I
> > > > > used 3.8 lbs/1000. My soil is clay and perculates a little slow.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tonight we had a heavy thunderstorm and heavy rain. We got about
1
> > > > > inch of rain in about 15 minutes.
> > > > >
> > > > > My question is; did all of my Merit wash away? Should I reapply?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > Peter
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > It doesn't matter. The grubs have become Japanese beetles and are
> > > > flying around now. Reapply before July 4 next year.
> > > >
> > > Heh, what do you think those beetles are doing when they're not
> > > feeding?... That's right, laying eggs for the next generation.
> > >
> > > The Merit will protect Peter's lawn from grub damage this fall
> > > and consequently next spring too.
> > >
> > > I really doubt it has washed away, Peter. It clings to organic
> > > material real well.

Here in Ontario you are not permitted to reapply. Merit has a very long
residual... and you have already admitted to applying above the recommended
application rate. You should leave it alone.

Keep in mind that the application will not do anything about the existing
grubs in your lawn. Merit will only prevent a new infestation. I have
applied it many times and have seen it watered in, not watered in and
drenched. It has still been effective in preventing a new infestation every
time.

Peter H

[Peter]

Fasinating. How does it prevent the new grubs from feeding? Why is it
prohibited to reapply Merit twice in one year? What is the harm in it?

Thanks

Peter


> Merit has a very long residual. It hangs around for about 3 months. This
is
> why they don't permit a second application in a season here. You may as
well
> just double the application rate initially 'cause the first application is
> still there.
>
> Merit works to prevent the new, young grubs from feeding. They ingest it
in
> very small quantities and then can't feed again which causes them to
starve
> to death. I have found it to be virtually 100% effective even when the
> application is not perfect. Unfortunately the adult grubs are just too big
> and strong to be effected. Fortunately they will pupate into June Bugs and
> fly off and bother someone else in the next spring, or following one.
Merit
> should eliminate your grub problem, but you have to be patient.
>
> You are right when you say now is the right time to apply it.
>
> Peter H
>
>
>
> "Peter" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Thanks Peter -
> >
> > But why won't it do anything for existing grubs? I read that it kills
> > grubs. Also, the new infestation is under way, the beetle population
> peaked
> > last week and the eggs shouls start hatching grubs any day now. What I
> > understand, now is the best time to apply Merit.
> >
> > I also understand Merit is not harmful to people and pets, so
> > overapplication doesn't have any *real* adverse effects.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > "Peter H" > wrote in message
> > .cable.rogers.com...
> > >
> > > "Steveo" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > No, it won't hurt anything but your wallet. :)
> > > >
> > > > "Peter" > wrote:
> > > > > Thanks for you reply Steveo.
> > > > >
> > > > > Will it hurt my lawn to reapply? I *really* need to wack the
grubs
> > bad.
> > > > > They got me the last two years before I realized what was going
on.
> I
> > > > > want the mothers dead.
> > > > >
> > > > > Peter
> > > > >
> > > > > "
> > > > > > > Peter wrote:
> > > > > > > > I spread a 14 pound bag of Bayer Merit granulated on my yard
> > last
> > > > > > > > night, and watered the lawn afterward with between 0.25 and
> 0.5
> > > > > > > > inches of water to wash it in. I'm attempting to kill
> Japanese
> > > > > > > > beetle
> > > > > grubs -
> > > > > > > > have had a bad problem for the last tow years. I applied the
> > Merit
> > > > > > > > at
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > heavier rate than recommended. The recommended rate is 2.8
> > > > > > > > lbs/1000,
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > > used 3.8 lbs/1000. My soil is clay and perculates a little
> > slow.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tonight we had a heavy thunderstorm and heavy rain. We got
> > about
> > > 1
> > > > > > > > inch of rain in about 15 minutes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > My question is; did all of my Merit wash away? Should I
> > reapply?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Peter
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It doesn't matter. The grubs have become Japanese beetles and
> are
> > > > > > > flying around now. Reapply before July 4 next year.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Heh, what do you think those beetles are doing when they're not
> > > > > > feeding?... That's right, laying eggs for the next generation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Merit will protect Peter's lawn from grub damage this fall
> > > > > > and consequently next spring too.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I really doubt it has washed away, Peter. It clings to organic
> > > > > > material real well.
> > >
> > > Here in Ontario you are not permitted to reapply. Merit has a very
long
> > > residual... and you have already admitted to applying above the
> > recommended
> > > application rate. You should leave it alone.
> > >
> > > Keep in mind that the application will not do anything about the
> existing
> > > grubs in your lawn. Merit will only prevent a new infestation. I have
> > > applied it many times and have seen it watered in, not watered in and
> > > drenched. It has still been effective in preventing a new infestation
> > every
> > > time.
> > >
> > > Peter H
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Peter H]

I can't tell you the science behind it, but do know that that is how it
works. You are not permitted to reapply because it has such a long residual.
When I used to spray Dursban and Diazinon and had spraymix left over the
next day I would just count it as water. The 1/2 life on that stuff is very
short, depending upon water ph, sunlight exposure etc. Merit is different.
It hangs in there.

Peter H




"Peter" > wrote in message
...
>
> Fasinating. How does it prevent the new grubs from feeding? Why is it
> prohibited to reapply Merit twice in one year? What is the harm in it?
>
> Thanks
>
> Peter
>
>
> > Merit has a very long residual. It hangs around for about 3 months. This
> is
> > why they don't permit a second application in a season here. You may as
> well
> > just double the application rate initially 'cause the first application
is
> > still there.
> >
> > Merit works to prevent the new, young grubs from feeding. They ingest it
> in
> > very small quantities and then can't feed again which causes them to
> starve
> > to death. I have found it to be virtually 100% effective even when the
> > application is not perfect. Unfortunately the adult grubs are just too
big
> > and strong to be effected. Fortunately they will pupate into June Bugs
and
> > fly off and bother someone else in the next spring, or following one.
> Merit
> > should eliminate your grub problem, but you have to be patient.
> >
> > You are right when you say now is the right time to apply it.
> >
> > Peter H
> >
> >
> >
> > "Peter" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Thanks Peter -
> > >
> > > But why won't it do anything for existing grubs? I read that it kills
> > > grubs. Also, the new infestation is under way, the beetle population
> > peaked
> > > last week and the eggs shouls start hatching grubs any day now. What
I
> > > understand, now is the best time to apply Merit.
> > >
> > > I also understand Merit is not harmful to people and pets, so
> > > overapplication doesn't have any *real* adverse effects.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
> > > "Peter H" > wrote in message
> > > .cable.rogers.com...
> > > >
> > > > "Steveo" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > No, it won't hurt anything but your wallet. :)
> > > > >
> > > > > "Peter" > wrote:
> > > > > > Thanks for you reply Steveo.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Will it hurt my lawn to reapply? I *really* need to wack the
> grubs
> > > bad.
> > > > > > They got me the last two years before I realized what was going
> on.
> > I
> > > > > > want the mothers dead.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Peter
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "
> > > > > > > > Peter wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I spread a 14 pound bag of Bayer Merit granulated on my
yard
> > > last
> > > > > > > > > night, and watered the lawn afterward with between 0.25
and
> > 0.5
> > > > > > > > > inches of water to wash it in. I'm attempting to kill
> > Japanese
> > > > > > > > > beetle
> > > > > > grubs -
> > > > > > > > > have had a bad problem for the last tow years. I applied
the
> > > Merit
> > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > heavier rate than recommended. The recommended rate is
2.8
> > > > > > > > > lbs/1000,
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > used 3.8 lbs/1000. My soil is clay and perculates a
little
> > > slow.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Tonight we had a heavy thunderstorm and heavy rain. We
got
> > > about
> > > > 1
> > > > > > > > > inch of rain in about 15 minutes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > My question is; did all of my Merit wash away? Should I
> > > reapply?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Peter
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It doesn't matter. The grubs have become Japanese beetles
and
> > are
> > > > > > > > flying around now. Reapply before July 4 next year.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Heh, what do you think those beetles are doing when they're
not
> > > > > > > feeding?... That's right, laying eggs for the next generation.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Merit will protect Peter's lawn from grub damage this fall
> > > > > > > and consequently next spring too.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I really doubt it has washed away, Peter. It clings to organic
> > > > > > > material real well.
> > > >
> > > > Here in Ontario you are not permitted to reapply. Merit has a very
> long
> > > > residual... and you have already admitted to applying above the
> > > recommended
> > > > application rate. You should leave it alone.
> > > >
> > > > Keep in mind that the application will not do anything about the
> > existing
> > > > grubs in your lawn. Merit will only prevent a new infestation. I
have
> > > > applied it many times and have seen it watered in, not watered in
and
> > > > drenched. It has still been effective in preventing a new
infestation
> > > every
> > > > time.
> > > >
> > > > Peter H
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Steveo]

"Peter" > wrote:
> Fasinating. How does it prevent the new grubs from feeding?
>
It takes their appetite away, big grubs can live off of their body
fat -much- longer than small grubs.

The small grubs starve..the big ones start eating again.

[Peter]

Thanks Peter -

But why won't it do anything for existing grubs? I read that it kills
grubs. Also, the new infestation is under way, the beetle population peaked
last week and the eggs shouls start hatching grubs any day now. What I
understand, now is the best time to apply Merit.

I also understand Merit is not harmful to people and pets, so
overapplication doesn't have any *real* adverse effects.

Thanks

Peter

"Peter H" > wrote in message
.cable.rogers.com...
>
> "Steveo" > wrote in message
> ...
> > No, it won't hurt anything but your wallet. :)
> >
> > "Peter" > wrote:
> > > Thanks for you reply Steveo.
> > >
> > > Will it hurt my lawn to reapply? I *really* need to wack the grubs
bad.
> > > They got me the last two years before I realized what was going on. I
> > > want the mothers dead.
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
> > > "
> > > > > Peter wrote:
> > > > > > I spread a 14 pound bag of Bayer Merit granulated on my yard
last
> > > > > > night, and watered the lawn afterward with between 0.25 and 0.5
> > > > > > inches of water to wash it in. I'm attempting to kill Japanese
> > > > > > beetle
> > > grubs -
> > > > > > have had a bad problem for the last tow years. I applied the
Merit
> > > > > > at
> > > a
> > > > > > heavier rate than recommended. The recommended rate is 2.8
> > > > > > lbs/1000,
> > > I
> > > > > > used 3.8 lbs/1000. My soil is clay and perculates a little
slow.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tonight we had a heavy thunderstorm and heavy rain. We got
about
> 1
> > > > > > inch of rain in about 15 minutes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My question is; did all of my Merit wash away? Should I
reapply?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Peter
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > It doesn't matter. The grubs have become Japanese beetles and are
> > > > > flying around now. Reapply before July 4 next year.
> > > > >
> > > > Heh, what do you think those beetles are doing when they're not
> > > > feeding?... That's right, laying eggs for the next generation.
> > > >
> > > > The Merit will protect Peter's lawn from grub damage this fall
> > > > and consequently next spring too.
> > > >
> > > > I really doubt it has washed away, Peter. It clings to organic
> > > > material real well.
>
> Here in Ontario you are not permitted to reapply. Merit has a very long
> residual... and you have already admitted to applying above the
recommended
> application rate. You should leave it alone.
>
> Keep in mind that the application will not do anything about the existing
> grubs in your lawn. Merit will only prevent a new infestation. I have
> applied it many times and have seen it watered in, not watered in and
> drenched. It has still been effective in preventing a new infestation
every
> time.
>
> Peter H
>
>

[Peter H]

Merit has a very long residual. It hangs around for about 3 months. This is
why they don't permit a second application in a season here. You may as well
just double the application rate initially 'cause the first application is
still there.

Merit works to prevent the new, young grubs from feeding. They ingest it in
very small quantities and then can't feed again which causes them to starve
to death. I have found it to be virtually 100% effective even when the
application is not perfect. Unfortunately the adult grubs are just too big
and strong to be effected. Fortunately they will pupate into June Bugs and
fly off and bother someone else in the next spring, or following one. Merit
should eliminate your grub problem, but you have to be patient.

You are right when you say now is the right time to apply it.

Peter H



"Peter" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks Peter -
>
> But why won't it do anything for existing grubs? I read that it kills
> grubs. Also, the new infestation is under way, the beetle population
peaked
> last week and the eggs shouls start hatching grubs any day now. What I
> understand, now is the best time to apply Merit.
>
> I also understand Merit is not harmful to people and pets, so
> overapplication doesn't have any *real* adverse effects.
>
> Thanks
>
> Peter
>
> "Peter H" > wrote in message
> .cable.rogers.com...
> >
> > "Steveo" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > No, it won't hurt anything but your wallet. :)
> > >
> > > "Peter" > wrote:
> > > > Thanks for you reply Steveo.
> > > >
> > > > Will it hurt my lawn to reapply? I *really* need to wack the grubs
> bad.
> > > > They got me the last two years before I realized what was going on.
I
> > > > want the mothers dead.
> > > >
> > > > Peter
> > > >
> > > > "
> > > > > > Peter wrote:
> > > > > > > I spread a 14 pound bag of Bayer Merit granulated on my yard
> last
> > > > > > > night, and watered the lawn afterward with between 0.25 and
0.5
> > > > > > > inches of water to wash it in. I'm attempting to kill
Japanese
> > > > > > > beetle
> > > > grubs -
> > > > > > > have had a bad problem for the last tow years. I applied the
> Merit
> > > > > > > at
> > > > a
> > > > > > > heavier rate than recommended. The recommended rate is 2.8
> > > > > > > lbs/1000,
> > > > I
> > > > > > > used 3.8 lbs/1000. My soil is clay and perculates a little
> slow.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tonight we had a heavy thunderstorm and heavy rain. We got
> about
> > 1
> > > > > > > inch of rain in about 15 minutes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My question is; did all of my Merit wash away? Should I
> reapply?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Peter
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > It doesn't matter. The grubs have become Japanese beetles and
are
> > > > > > flying around now. Reapply before July 4 next year.
> > > > > >
> > > > > Heh, what do you think those beetles are doing when they're not
> > > > > feeding?... That's right, laying eggs for the next generation.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Merit will protect Peter's lawn from grub damage this fall
> > > > > and consequently next spring too.
> > > > >
> > > > > I really doubt it has washed away, Peter. It clings to organic
> > > > > material real well.
> >
> > Here in Ontario you are not permitted to reapply. Merit has a very long
> > residual... and you have already admitted to applying above the
> recommended
> > application rate. You should leave it alone.
> >
> > Keep in mind that the application will not do anything about the
existing
> > grubs in your lawn. Merit will only prevent a new infestation. I have
> > applied it many times and have seen it watered in, not watered in and
> > drenched. It has still been effective in preventing a new infestation
> every
> > time.
> >
> > Peter H
> >
> >
>
>

[Steveo]

"Peter" > wrote:
> Thanks Peter -
>
> But why won't it do anything for existing grubs?
>
Large grubs have too much body mass/fat, they can survive the
very mild active ingredient in Merit.

We use dylox to kill bad infestations of large grubs, not Merit.

As was mentioned, merit is designed as a preventative.

[News Man]

Thanks for your reply Peter.

But still I don't understand why it is detrimental to have too much Merit or
have it reside for too long.

Thanks




"Peter H" > wrote in message
t.cable.rogers.com...
> I can't tell you the science behind it, but do know that that is how it
> works. You are not permitted to reapply because it has such a long
residual.
> When I used to spray Dursban and Diazinon and had spraymix left over the
> next day I would just count it as water. The 1/2 life on that stuff is
very
> short, depending upon water ph, sunlight exposure etc. Merit is different.
> It hangs in there.
>
> Peter H
>
>
>
>
> "Peter" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Fasinating. How does it prevent the new grubs from feeding? Why is it
> > prohibited to reapply Merit twice in one year? What is the harm in it?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
> > > Merit has a very long residual. It hangs around for about 3 months.
This
> > is
> > > why they don't permit a second application in a season here. You may
as
> > well
> > > just double the application rate initially 'cause the first
application
> is
> > > still there.
> > >
> > > Merit works to prevent the new, young grubs from feeding. They ingest
it
> > in
> > > very small quantities and then can't feed again which causes them to
> > starve
> > > to death. I have found it to be virtually 100% effective even when the
> > > application is not perfect. Unfortunately the adult grubs are just too
> big
> > > and strong to be effected. Fortunately they will pupate into June Bugs
> and
> > > fly off and bother someone else in the next spring, or following one.
> > Merit
> > > should eliminate your grub problem, but you have to be patient.
> > >
> > > You are right when you say now is the right time to apply it.
> > >
> > > Peter H
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Peter" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Thanks Peter -
> > > >
> > > > But why won't it do anything for existing grubs? I read that it
kills
> > > > grubs. Also, the new infestation is under way, the beetle
population
> > > peaked
> > > > last week and the eggs shouls start hatching grubs any day now.
What
> I
> > > > understand, now is the best time to apply Merit.
> > > >
> > > > I also understand Merit is not harmful to people and pets, so
> > > > overapplication doesn't have any *real* adverse effects.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > Peter
> > > >
> > > > "Peter H" > wrote in message
> > > >
.cable.rogers.com...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Steveo" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > No, it won't hurt anything but your wallet. :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Peter" > wrote:
> > > > > > > Thanks for you reply Steveo.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Will it hurt my lawn to reapply? I *really* need to wack the
> > grubs
> > > > bad.
> > > > > > > They got me the last two years before I realized what was
going
> > on.
> > > I
> > > > > > > want the mothers dead.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Peter
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "
> > > > > > > > > Peter wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > I spread a 14 pound bag of Bayer Merit granulated on my
> yard
> > > > last
> > > > > > > > > > night, and watered the lawn afterward with between 0.25
> and
> > > 0.5
> > > > > > > > > > inches of water to wash it in. I'm attempting to kill
> > > Japanese
> > > > > > > > > > beetle
> > > > > > > grubs -
> > > > > > > > > > have had a bad problem for the last tow years. I applied
> the
> > > > Merit
> > > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > heavier rate than recommended. The recommended rate is
> 2.8
> > > > > > > > > > lbs/1000,
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > used 3.8 lbs/1000. My soil is clay and perculates a
> little
> > > > slow.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Tonight we had a heavy thunderstorm and heavy rain. We
> got
> > > > about
> > > > > 1
> > > > > > > > > > inch of rain in about 15 minutes.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > My question is; did all of my Merit wash away? Should
I
> > > > reapply?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Peter
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It doesn't matter. The grubs have become Japanese beetles
> and
> > > are
> > > > > > > > > flying around now. Reapply before July 4 next year.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Heh, what do you think those beetles are doing when they're
> not
> > > > > > > > feeding?... That's right, laying eggs for the next
generation.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Merit will protect Peter's lawn from grub damage this
fall
> > > > > > > > and consequently next spring too.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I really doubt it has washed away, Peter. It clings to
organic
> > > > > > > > material real well.
> > > > >
> > > > > Here in Ontario you are not permitted to reapply. Merit has a very
> > long
> > > > > residual... and you have already admitted to applying above the
> > > > recommended
> > > > > application rate. You should leave it alone.
> > > > >
> > > > > Keep in mind that the application will not do anything about the
> > > existing
> > > > > grubs in your lawn. Merit will only prevent a new infestation. I
> have
> > > > > applied it many times and have seen it watered in, not watered in
> and
> > > > > drenched. It has still been effective in preventing a new
> infestation
> > > > every
> > > > > time.
> > > > >
> > > > > Peter H
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[GentleGiant]

"Peter" > wrote in message >...
> But why won't it do anything for existing grubs? I read that it kills
> grubs. Also, the new infestation is under way, the beetle population peaked
> last week and the eggs shouls start hatching grubs any day now. What I
> understand, now is the best time to apply Merit.


Peter:

Part of the answer is on the package label for Bayer Advanced Lawn
Season-Long Grub Control, which says:

"HOW TO USE TO CONTROL GRUBS:
"WHEN TO APPLY: Apply once anytime from May through mid-August. For
best results, apply Season-Long Grub Control before grubs... hatch.
Contact your County Extension Agent for the ideal dates to apply in
your area."

What the label doesn't say is that if you already have any but the
smallest of grubs chewing on your grass roots, the Merit stuff won't
have any significant effect on them. However you can kill them with
something else, such as Bayer Advanced Lawn 24 Hour Grub Control (in
which the active ingredient is Dylox). If you have yellow or brown
patches developing in your lawn, check to see whether there are grubs
in the soil below. If there are, zap the whole lawn with Dylox, which
will clear out all the active grubs. The Merit you already applied
should take care of any new grubs that hatch this year.

Next year you may do better to apply the Merit product earlier in the
year, before any grubs hatch - exactly when depends on your location,
but there's no harm in being two or three weeks early, and a lot to
lose by being two or three weeks late.

[GentleGiant]

Steveo > wrote:
> Heh, what do you think those beetles are doing when they're not
> feeding?... That's right, laying eggs for the next generation.
>
> The Merit will protect Peter's lawn from grub damage this fall
> and consequently next spring too.
>
> I really doubt it has washed away, Peter. It clings to organic
> material real well.

Steveo, you are only half right. The Merit will protect Peter's lawn
from grub damage this fall (to the extent that the lawn is not already
damaged by grubs that had hatched and started growing before he
applied the Merit).

But next spring is a different story. Even if there are no grubs in
Peter's lawn this fall, there may be lots of them happily munching
away on the grass roots next spring unless Peter applies Merit again
in the spring before the eggs hatch. Remember it's not the grubs that
lay the eggs, it's beetles, and beetles can fly in from anywhere.
Merit in the grass roots this fall won't prevent beetles from
depositing eggs that lie dormant in Peter's lawn until next spring.

[William W. Plummer]

GentleGiant wrote:
> Steveo > wrote:
>
>>Heh, what do you think those beetles are doing when they're not
>>feeding?... That's right, laying eggs for the next generation.
>>
>>The Merit will protect Peter's lawn from grub damage this fall
>>and consequently next spring too.
>>
>>I really doubt it has washed away, Peter. It clings to organic
>>material real well.
>
>
> Steveo, you are only half right. The Merit will protect Peter's lawn
> from grub damage this fall (to the extent that the lawn is not already
> damaged by grubs that had hatched and started growing before he
> applied the Merit).
>
> But next spring is a different story. Even if there are no grubs in
> Peter's lawn this fall, there may be lots of them happily munching
> away on the grass roots next spring unless Peter applies Merit again
> in the spring before the eggs hatch. Remember it's not the grubs that
> lay the eggs, it's beetles, and beetles can fly in from anywhere.
> Merit in the grass roots this fall won't prevent beetles from
> depositing eggs that lie dormant in Peter's lawn until next spring.
Right.

[Steveo]

(GentleGiant) wrote:
> Steveo > wrote:
> > Heh, what do you think those beetles are doing when they're not
> > feeding?... That's right, laying eggs for the next generation.
> >
> > The Merit will protect Peter's lawn from grub damage this fall
> > and consequently next spring too.
> >
> > I really doubt it has washed away, Peter. It clings to organic
> > material real well.
>
> Steveo, you are only half right. The Merit will protect Peter's lawn
> from grub damage this fall (to the extent that the lawn is not already
> damaged by grubs that had hatched and started growing before he
> applied the Merit).
>
> But next spring is a different story. Even if there are no grubs in
> Peter's lawn this fall, there may be lots of them happily munching
> away on the grass roots next spring
>
Hey dumbass, if he doesn't have grubs this fall, he will -NOT- have
them in the spring either.

School yourself in control products next time, before you run your
pie hole. -sheesh-

[Steveo]

"William W. Plummer" > wrote:
> GentleGiant wrote:
> > Merit in the grass roots this fall won't prevent beetles from
> > depositing eggs that lie dormant in Peter's lawn until next spring.
>
> Right.
>
You agree with him, William?

[William W. Plummer]

Steveo wrote:
> "William W. Plummer" > wrote:
>
>>GentleGiant wrote:
>>
>>>Merit in the grass roots this fall won't prevent beetles from
>>>depositing eggs that lie dormant in Peter's lawn until next spring.
>>
>>Right.
>>
>
> You agree with him, William?
Sorry to say, but I am not sufficiently informed on Merit.
But I certainly find the invective on this list objectionable.

[Steveo]

"William W. Plummer" > wrote:
> Steveo wrote:
> > "William W. Plummer" > wrote:
> >
> >>GentleGiant wrote:
> >>
> >>>Merit in the grass roots this fall won't prevent beetles from
> >>>depositing eggs that lie dormant in Peter's lawn until next spring.
> >>
> >>Right.
> >>
> >
> > You agree with him, William?
> Sorry to say, but I am not sufficiently informed on Merit.
> But I certainly find the invective on this list objectionable.
>
Anyone who thinks grub eggs will lay dormant until next spring
is clueless.

[GentleGiant]

Steveo > wrote:
> (GentleGiant) wrote:
> > Steveo > wrote:
> > > Heh, what do you think those beetles are doing when they're not
> > > feeding?... That's right, laying eggs for the next generation.
> > >
> > > The Merit will protect Peter's lawn from grub damage this fall
> > > and consequently next spring too.
> > >
> > > I really doubt it has washed away, Peter. It clings to organic
> > > material real well.
> >
> > Steveo, you are only half right. The Merit will protect Peter's lawn
> > from grub damage this fall (to the extent that the lawn is not already
> > damaged by grubs that had hatched and started growing before he
> > applied the Merit).
> >
> > But next spring is a different story. Even if there are no grubs in
> > Peter's lawn this fall, there may be lots of them happily munching
> > away on the grass roots next spring
> >
> Hey dumbass, if he doesn't have grubs this fall, he will -NOT- have
> them in the spring either.
>
> School yourself in control products next time, before you run your
> pie hole. -sheesh-

Steveo, thank you so much for displaying your vastly superior
knowledge and for finding sufficiently vile words to describe my
rotting intellect and stinking carcass.

Perhaps, o enlightened one, you could now explain how Merit applied
too late to kill some of the grubs that hatched this summer would
prevent those grubs from burrowing downwards after their summer and
early fall feeding, remaining between four and eight inches beneath
the soil until next spring, and then rising back up towards the
surface in the spring and again feeding on the roots of Peter's grass.
(Won't this mean that, in mid and late fall, Peter's grass will appear
to be free of grubs, and yet there may be lots of them happily
munching away on the grass roots next spring? And isn't the obvious
way to prevent this the application of Dylox or something similar now,
before those growing grubs do any more damage? No, that can't be right
because you have declared:
> if he doesn't have grubs this fall, he will -NOT- have
> them in the spring either.)

[Steveo]

(GentleGiant) wrote:
> Steveo > wrote:
> > (GentleGiant) wrote:
> > > Steveo > wrote:
> > > > Heh, what do you think those beetles are doing when they're not
> > > > feeding?... That's right, laying eggs for the next generation.
> > > >
> > > > The Merit will protect Peter's lawn from grub damage this fall
> > > > and consequently next spring too.
> > > >
> > > > I really doubt it has washed away, Peter. It clings to organic
> > > > material real well.
> > >
> > > Steveo, you are only half right. The Merit will protect Peter's lawn
> > > from grub damage this fall (to the extent that the lawn is not
> > > already damaged by grubs that had hatched and started growing before
> > > he applied the Merit).
> > >
> > > But next spring is a different story. Even if there are no grubs in
> > > Peter's lawn this fall, there may be lots of them happily munching
> > > away on the grass roots next spring
> > >
> > Hey dumbass, if he doesn't have grubs this fall, he will -NOT- have
> > them in the spring either.
> >
> > School yourself in control products next time, before you run your
> > pie hole. -sheesh-
>
> Steveo, thank you so much for displaying your vastly superior
> knowledge and for finding sufficiently vile words to describe my
> rotting intellect and stinking carcass.
>
> Perhaps, o enlightened one, you could now explain how Merit applied
> too late to kill some of the grubs that hatched this summer would
> prevent those grubs from burrowing downwards after their summer
>
-snip mindless drivel-

The answer is simple, newbie. Those grubs have already pupated into
beetles..get it? Those beetles layed eggs for the next generation,
and Peter's merit application will protect his lawn from -those-
grubs.

If you don't know what the hell you're talking about, keep your
pie hole shut. You do more harm than good!

[GentleGiant]

Steveo > wrote:>
(GentleGiant) wrote:
> > Steveo > wrote:
> > > Hey dumbass, if he doesn't have grubs this fall, he will -NOT- have
> > > them in the spring either.
> > >
> > > School yourself in control products next time, before you run your
> > > pie hole. -sheesh-
> >
> > Steveo, thank you so much for displaying your vastly superior
> > knowledge and for finding sufficiently vile words to describe my
> > rotting intellect and stinking carcass.
> >
> > Perhaps, o enlightened one, you could now explain how Merit applied
> > too late to kill some of the grubs that hatched this summer would
> > prevent those grubs from burrowing downwards after their summer
> >
> -snip mindless drivel-
>
> The answer is simple, newbie. Those grubs have already pupated into
> beetles..get it? Those beetles layed eggs for the next generation,
> and Peter's merit application will protect his lawn from -those-
> grubs.
>
> If you don't know what the hell you're talking about, keep your
> pie hole shut. You do more harm than good!

Steveo, the "mindless drivel" you snipped is carefully researched and
totally accurate. You are the one who is not getting it, so I guess
I'll have to spell it out for you very simply.

Adult Japanese Beetles appear in the spring. They fly around. They
feed on various plants. They mate. The females lay eggs in the ground,
then eat some more plants, then lay some more eggs, and so on until
they have laid maybe 50 or 60 eggs.

Typically the eggs hatch in a week or two, releasing small grubs into
the soil.

The grubs then feed all summer long on grass roots and other organic
material near the surface, and grow steadily larger.

In late September or early October, depending on the location, the
grubs burrow 4 to 8 inches downwards into the soil where they
hibernate for the winter. Once they burrow downwards the grubs are not
eating grass roots any more, but they may find some other organic
material to eat, at least for a while.

In early spring, the grubs move back up towards the soil surface. When
they find grass roots, etc. they begin to feed again. They haven't
eaten for quite a while, so they tend to eat a lot if they get the
chance.

Later in the spring, the grubs pupate for a couple of weeks at a depth
of two to four inches in the soil. They then emerge as newly formed
adult Japanese beetles.

Now let's apply this information to Peter's case, which started this
whole discussion. Peter has told us that he applied Merit to his lawn
on July 13th.

If Peter applied the Merit early enough to kill all the grubs that had
already hatched this year, he should have no problem. The Merit should
quickly kill all grubs that hatch later this season.

But if some of the grubs that hatched this year had grown large enough
by July 13th to survive the Merit, they will continue to grow and feed
in Peter's lawn for the rest of the summer. In the fall they will
borrow down to hibernating depth, and if Peter then checks the grass
roots for grubs he won't find any. But they will still be beneath
Peter's lawn, and come next spring they'll be happily chewing on the
roots of Peter's grass again.

And so when you said:
> Those grubs have already pupated into
> beetles..get it?

you were totally wrong. The only grubs that have pupated into beetles
this year are grubs that hatched last year.

[Steveo]

(GentleGiant) wrote:
> Steveo > wrote:>
> (GentleGiant) wrote:
> > > Steveo > wrote:
> > > > Hey dumbass, if he doesn't have grubs this fall, he will -NOT- have
> > > > them in the spring either.
> > > >
> > > > School yourself in control products next time, before you run your
> > > > pie hole. -sheesh-
> > >
> > > Steveo, thank you so much for displaying your vastly superior
> > > knowledge and for finding sufficiently vile words to describe my
> > > rotting intellect and stinking carcass.
> > >
> > > Perhaps, o enlightened one, you could now explain how Merit applied
> > > too late to kill some of the grubs that hatched this summer would
> > > prevent those grubs from burrowing downwards after their summer
> > >
> > -snip mindless drivel-
> >
> > The answer is simple, newbie. Those grubs have already pupated into
> > beetles..get it? Those beetles layed eggs for the next generation,
> > and Peter's merit application will protect his lawn from -those-
> > grubs.
> >
> > If you don't know what the hell you're talking about, keep your
> > pie hole shut. You do more harm than good!
>
> Steveo, the "mindless drivel" you snipped is carefully researched and
> totally accurate. You are the one who is not getting it, so I guess
> I'll have to spell it out for you very simply.
>
> Adult Japanese Beetles appear in the spring.
>
- snip cut/paste -

Is late June to early July considered Spring where you live?

You said "grub eggs would lay dormant until next Spring". I
Say you're full of shit.

Learn the beetles life cycle before trying to advise people
on their control.