Re: For the older ponders...

[~ jan]

On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 10:52:40 -0500, "BenignVanilla" wrote:

>I still don't understand this statement. How does make less coffee hotter,
>make them more money?

People can't drink it fast enough to have time for a free refill perhaps?
That's my guess as a non-coffee drinker.

As far as the request for medical bills I would assume she went thru the
medical community... perhaps even through a lawyer at that time. We don't
know, but the fact is, she did win the eventual lawsuit. So there must be
something there, beyond clumsy woman, suffers great pain & suffering wins
$500,000... which after she paid the lawyer(s) probably covered her medical
bills. ;o) ~ jan

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[Gale Pearce]

Is there anyone out there who believes Mc Donalds knows anything about
coffee other than raking in profits????? - and if it means hotter to
discourage their "free" refills to boost the bottom line..............
Gale :~)

..

[KenCo]

Gale Pearce wrote:
>
> Is there anyone out there who believes Mc Donalds knows anything about
> coffee other than raking in profits????? - and if it means hotter to
> discourage their "free" refills to boost the bottom line..............
> Gale :~)
>
> .

1st,
coffee and soda are the biggest profit makers
in any type rest./shop etc....


next,
this is a synopsis of coffee making,
not aimed at "anyone" who has posted
on coffee :)


coffee is made by "boiling the water".

even a drip type boils in the "maker"
to push it up the tube to go into the
basket to go through the ground coffee
and drip through the little hole to go into
the "pot" thats on the "heating element"


to recap:
coffee is hot when brewed.

no matter WHO makes it!

coffee can be very hot if you spill it ;)


p.s.
"I" personally drink it black or very dark
AND always ask (no matter what coffee shop)
for a "little ice" in it to cool it down!



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[KenCo]

MLF wrote:
>
> PULEEEEZE!!!! McDonalds wasn't holding the cup, the bozo of a woman was.
> What kind of mental midget opens a cup with a hot liquid in it while
> holding it over their crotch and drivinhg a car?
>

IMWTK ** inquiring minds want to know


who would be stupid enough to admit that
they were too dumb not to know that coffee,
chilli etc etc is HOT????

next, that they have burn proof skin
and couldnt figure out it would HURT??? LOL



hmm, IDEA TIME!!!!
I spilled a cold soda on me, I want pain
and suffering since it was freezing outside
and the cup was flimsey AND "the cup didnt say
"be careful, contents are cold"







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[Nedra]

I agree with you Mike ;-) Only thing is
she wasn't driving the car .. I think her son was. Nonetheless, she was
responsible for the spill! The cups are not flimsy... only the excuses are.

I get my morning coffee from McDonald's *every* morning. It is the best
tasting coffee in the natural world. I never open and drink the coffee
in the car. Usually drink it in the restaurant. As was typed in the
splurge about McDonald's ... the coffee is this hot to "Optimize flavor".

Nedra
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MLF > wrote in message
...
>
> > wrote:
> > she was holding the cup in one hand and trying to get the top off
> > with her other hand and it spilled.
> > so... you think it is fine for a restaurant to sell scalding hot
> > liquids in flimsy cups?
>
>
> PULEEEEZE!!!! McDonalds wasn't holding the cup, the bozo of a woman was.
> What kind of mental midget opens a cup with a hot liquid in it while
> holding it over their crotch and drivinhg a car?
>
> Sorry, Charlie. The woman knew it was hot and was careless and burned
> herself. Tough. That's the price of shortsighted stupidity.
>
> Unfortunately, when stupidity meets legal greed, you get a lawsuit. And
> then the only one who makes out is the lawyer.
>
> Somebody pays for that woman's dim mental capacity - everyone who buys
> insurance or shops at McDonalds. I don't expect you or her or anyone
> else to pay for the many incredibly dumb things I've done, and I won't
> pay for anyone else's. It's called "personal responsibility", apparently
> a concept completely foreign to modern Americans.
>
> OTOH, there are people who deserve legal recourse for injury. But most
> of them are people who are injured through no fault of their own. The
> McDonalds case was certainly not one of those.
>
>
> Michael Fermanis
> New Orleans, Louisiana USA (Remove the POTATO to reply)
> ================================================== =========
>
>
>

[K30a]

Nedra wrote >>I get my morning coffee from McDonald's *every* morning.<<

What?!
It is not possible to go without coffee, upon waking, for five minutes! Too
much time involved in getting to McD's for coffee. Would they accept me in my
jamies?
I have decided I can not risk being stranded on a desert island. Nor can I be
involved in any activity that would restrict my access to coffee. I once
de-caffed myself by accident..... worst couple days of my life ;-)


k30a

[Nedra]

Kathy, I get to McDonald's in 5 minutes flat - just throw my coat
on over jeans and sweatshirt and go! I'm a coffee-aholic too!
Besides, I visit with the guys whilst I drink me coffee ;-)

Nedra
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K30a > wrote in message
...
>
> Nedra wrote >>I get my morning coffee from McDonald's *every* morning.<<
>
> What?!
> It is not possible to go without coffee, upon waking, for five minutes!
Too
> much time involved in getting to McD's for coffee. Would they accept me in
my
> jamies?
> I have decided I can not risk being stranded on a desert island. Nor can I
be
> involved in any activity that would restrict my access to coffee. I once
> de-caffed myself by accident..... worst couple days of my life ;-)
>
>
> k30a
>

[dr-solo@wi.rr.xx.com]

actually, nobody is talking about how the coffee is made, but how HOT the coffee is
heated up and held in the coffee pot. The minute my coffee maker is done I can pour
myself a cup and drink it without burning my mouth. I can make a cup of espresso
using steam (MUCH hotter than boiling water) and drink it right after extraction
without burning my mouth.
keeping the coffee at scalding temps makes the coffee taste burnt .. one reason McD's
coffee tastes like crap. Ingrid

KenCo > wrote:
>coffee is made by "boiling the water".

[dr-solo@wi.rr.xx.com]

you are just repeating the mythology. the car was stopped, she wasnt driving. It
wasnt an isolated "accident", scalding coffee is sold deliberatedly to everyone and
700+ other people have also been damaged by their product.

So corporation shouldnt have to take ANY responsibility for the products they sell?

"MLF" > wrote:
>holding it over their crotch and drivinhg a car?

[dr-solo@wi.rr.xx.com]

It looks like somebody isnt smart enough to comprehend the difference between hot and
scalding hot coffee....

KenCo > wrote:
>who would be stupid enough to admit that
>they were too dumb not to know that coffee,
>chilli etc etc is HOT????

[dr-solo@wi.rr.xx.com]

you do know they differnce between brewing and serving temp, right?

The top quality coffee is probably espresso. It is not scalding hot right after
extraction. Heating up and holding coffee at scalding temperatures degrades the
complex oils and flavors and turns it into a bitter, burnt off tasting mess.

the "free refill" they advertize costs them money. in typical resturants people
average two cups of coffee per meal. by heating the coffee up to scalding they cut
down on the number of second cups of coffee saving themselves a lot of money.



"BenignVanilla" > wrote:
> site after site that preach temps of over 185 degrees for
>brewing coffee properly. Properly brewed coffee should be HOT.
>How do we know this?
>
>I still don't understand this statement. How does make less coffee hotter,
>make them more money?

[dr-solo@wi.rr.xx.com]

dont bother with McD's coffee... tastes like burnt shit and they fill it right up to
the brim even when you ask for cream and sugar so you cant actually add any cream to
it. In fact, forget McD's completely. There are more responsible fast food
corporations out there that care about their customers. Ingrid

(K30a) wrote:

>
>Nedra wrote >>I get my morning coffee from McDonald's *every* morning.<<
>
>What?!
>It is not possible to go without coffee, upon waking, for five minutes! Too
>much time involved in getting to McD's for coffee. Would they accept me in my
>jamies?
>I have decided I can not risk being stranded on a desert island. Nor can I be
>involved in any activity that would restrict my access to coffee. I once
>de-caffed myself by accident..... worst couple days of my life ;-)
>
>
>k30a

[Nedra]

Ingrid you speak of Wisconsin McDonald's ..
I speak from Missouri McDonald's. Our coffee Never tastes
like burnt s*** and is Never brim full.

Nedra from Missouri
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
> wrote in message
...
> dont bother with McD's coffee... tastes like burnt shit and they fill it
right up to
> the brim even when you ask for cream and sugar so you cant actually add
any cream to
> it. In fact, forget McD's completely. There are more responsible fast
food
> corporations out there that care about their customers. Ingrid
>
> (K30a) wrote:
>
> >
> >Nedra wrote >>I get my morning coffee from McDonald's *every* morning.<<
> >
> >What?!
> >It is not possible to go without coffee, upon waking, for five minutes!
Too
> >much time involved in getting to McD's for coffee. Would they accept me
in my
> >jamies?
> >I have decided I can not risk being stranded on a desert island. Nor can
I be
> >involved in any activity that would restrict my access to coffee. I once
> >de-caffed myself by accident..... worst couple days of my life ;-)
> >
> >
> >k30a
>
>

[KenCo]

wrote:
>
> It looks like somebody isnt smart enough to comprehend the difference between hot and
> scalding hot coffee....
>


im not trying to start any wars but!
boiling water is 212? last time I checked
scalding is over 140-150F.

the burners/warmers arent made by McD's,
they have the same settings all over.
and most places keep them on "high"


> KenCo > wrote:
> >who would be stupid enough to admit that
> >they were too dumb not to know that coffee,
> >chilli etc etc is HOT????


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[K30a]

KenCo wrote >>im not trying to start any wars but!<<

Speaking of war and coffee.....

"The first cup is for the guest, the second for enjoyment, the third for the
sword."
An old Arabic saying.

or

"Strong coffee, much strong coffee, is what awakens me. Coffee gives me warmth,
waking, an unusual force and a pain that is not without very great pleasure."
Napoleon Bonaparte

(The internet is a loverly thing ;-)




k30a

[mad]

i get my caffein fix from tea. i love the twinings flavored teas. i drink
the whole rainbow, from earl grey in the yellow sleeve to prince of wales in
the black. i make it as stout as the bag will brew and then doctor it with
sugar and lemon. i have a friend who does it the british way with milk, but
i prefer the southern way with lemon.
and it's hot.
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> From: "Nedra" >
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> Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 05:38:02 GMT
> Subject: Re: For the older ponders...
>
> Kathy, I get to McDonald's in 5 minutes flat - just throw my coat
> on over jeans and sweatshirt and go! I'm a coffee-aholic too!
> Besides, I visit with the guys whilst I drink me coffee ;-)
>
> Nedra
> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
> http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
>
> K30a > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> Nedra wrote >>I get my morning coffee from McDonald's *every* morning.<<
>>
>> What?!
>> It is not possible to go without coffee, upon waking, for five minutes!
> Too
>> much time involved in getting to McD's for coffee. Would they accept me in
> my
>> jamies?
>> I have decided I can not risk being stranded on a desert island. Nor can I
> be
>> involved in any activity that would restrict my access to coffee. I once
>> de-caffed myself by accident..... worst couple days of my life ;-)
>>
>>
>> k30a
>>
>
>



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[K30a]

Mad wrote<< i have a friend who does it the british way with milk >>

When we were in England I loved the way they made tea in the train stations.
Probably brewed all to heck, added to cups that had milk pre-poured into them
sitting there all morning, heavy plastic tea cups and saucers.

And then there are those new fancy, creamy, sweet 'Chai?' teas? yummy.




k30a

[mad]

never had those. sounds interesting.
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> From: (K30a)
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> Date: 25 Jan 2003 20:05:24 GMT
> Subject: Re: For the older ponders...
>
>
> Mad wrote<< i have a friend who does it the british way with milk >>
>
> When we were in England I loved the way they made tea in the train stations.
> Probably brewed all to heck, added to cups that had milk pre-poured into them
> sitting there all morning, heavy plastic tea cups and saucers.
>
> And then there are those new fancy, creamy, sweet 'Chai?' teas? yummy.
>
>
>
>
> k30a



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[dr-solo@wi.rr.xx.com]

you really dont want to be confused with the facts, right?
"McDonald's consistently keeps its coffee at 185 degrees, still approximately 20
degrees or more hotter than at other restaurants. Third degree burns occur at this
temperature in just two to seven seconds, requiring skin grafting, debridement and
whirlpool treatments"
http://www.tap-water-burn.com/ for a picture of what a scalding burn looks like at
160o F

I just tested the temperature of my coffee sitting in the pot on the heater. It is
74oC or 165oF. When I pour myself a cup during or right after it is done brewing I
never burn the inside of my mouth at this temperature. It was a real shock the first
time I got a cup of McAssholes coffee, took a sip and burned the inside of my mouth.
Cant remember if I spewed it out onto their floor or not. Of course nobody warned me
the coffee was scalding hot. Not like my favorite pizza place always reminds us the
pizza is right out of the oven and dont touch the metal pan.

It is pointless to put the temp of coffee up to where people cannot drink it right
away. It is only done to save somebody some money..

lets see.... they save maybe 1 million per day on that second cup. Now (IIRC) that
is 700 people sued in the last 10 years, average win unknown cause they settled in
secret. Lets say 200K. So that is 3.65 billion dollars - 0.140 billion in lawsuits.
They are ahead 3.15 billion by heating that coffee. That is the kind of cost to suit
ratio should warm (?) the cockles of any vile corporate CEO
whatever-they-have-instead-of-a-heart.

Why the hell dont they just lower the temp and everyone PAYS for that second cup. I
mean it really is stupid to hand somebody a cup of scalding hot liquid out a window
into a car ... those people are not going to ASK for a second cup. Ingrid


KenCo > wrote:

wrote:
>>
>> It looks like somebody isnt smart enough to comprehend the difference between hot and
>> scalding hot coffee....
>>
>
>
>im not trying to start any wars but!
>boiling water is 212? last time I checked
>scalding is over 140-150F.
>
>the burners/warmers arent made by McD's,
>they have the same settings all over.
>and most places keep them on "high"
>
>
>> KenCo > wrote:
>> >who would be stupid enough to admit that
>> >they were too dumb not to know that coffee,
>> >chilli etc etc is HOT????

[D Kat]

I REALLY wish I had NOT followed that link... still good to know in a more
visceral way.... I also had NO idea that this was why McFattys kept it's
coffee temperature up so high (which destroys the flavor of the coffee I
might add)..


> wrote in message
...
> you really dont want to be confused with the facts, right?
> "McDonald's consistently keeps its coffee at 185 degrees, still
approximately 20
> degrees or more hotter than at other restaurants. Third degree burns
occur at this
> temperature in just two to seven seconds, requiring skin grafting,
debridement and
> whirlpool treatments"
> http://www.tap-water-burn.com/ for a picture of what a scalding burn
looks like at
> 160o F
>
> I just tested the temperature of my coffee sitting in the pot on the
heater. It is
> 74oC or 165oF. When I pour myself a cup during or right after it is done
brewing I
> never burn the inside of my mouth at this temperature. It was a real
shock the first
> time I got a cup of McAssholes coffee, took a sip and burned the inside of
my mouth.
> Cant remember if I spewed it out onto their floor or not. Of course
nobody warned me
> the coffee was scalding hot. Not like my favorite pizza place always
reminds us the
> pizza is right out of the oven and dont touch the metal pan.
>
> It is pointless to put the temp of coffee up to where people cannot drink
it right
> away. It is only done to save somebody some money..
>
> lets see.... they save maybe 1 million per day on that second cup. Now
(IIRC) that
> is 700 people sued in the last 10 years, average win unknown cause they
settled in
> secret. Lets say 200K. So that is 3.65 billion dollars - 0.140 billion
in lawsuits.
> They are ahead 3.15 billion by heating that coffee. That is the kind of
cost to suit
> ratio should warm (?) the cockles of any vile corporate CEO
> whatever-they-have-instead-of-a-heart.
>
> Why the hell dont they just lower the temp and everyone PAYS for that
second cup. I
> mean it really is stupid to hand somebody a cup of scalding hot liquid out
a window
> into a car ... those people are not going to ASK for a second cup.
Ingrid
>
>
> KenCo > wrote:
>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> It looks like somebody isnt smart enough to comprehend the difference
between hot and
> >> scalding hot coffee....
> >>
> >
> >
> >im not trying to start any wars but!
> >boiling water is 212? last time I checked
> >scalding is over 140-150F.
> >
> >the burners/warmers arent made by McD's,
> >they have the same settings all over.
> >and most places keep them on "high"
> >
> >
> >> KenCo > wrote:
> >> >who would be stupid enough to admit that
> >> >they were too dumb not to know that coffee,
> >> >chilli etc etc is HOT????
>

[KenCo]

wrote:
>
> dont bother with McD's coffee... tastes like burnt shit and they fill it right up to
> the brim even when you ask for cream and sugar so you cant actually add any cream to
> it.


gotta agree w/ ya there, I hate the taste
of McD's coffee.
give ne Dunkin Donuts,Sunshine or Bess Eaton's coffee any day

In fact, forget McD's completely. There are more responsible fast food
> corporations out there that care about their customers. Ingrid
>

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[K30a]

Gimme B&N-Starbucks anyday ;-)
(In fact meeting jj there this
afternoon along with one of our
favorite PORG victims!)

k30a

[dr-solo@wi.rr.xx.com]

OHHHHH YEAAAAHH. actually, I now got an espresso machine and a separate frother,
just gotta get used to using it. and also, dont have a good grinder, not that I
would be able to tell the difference I guess. Ingrid

(K30a) wrote:

>
>
>Gimme B&N-Starbucks anyday ;-)
>(In fact meeting jj there this
>afternoon along with one of our
>favorite PORG victims!)
>
>k30a

[K30a]

When I was in college (and beyond) I was addicted
to those General Foods International
coffees - full of terrible stuff but
sooooo good.

I had to wean myself off the sugar so I switched to coffee with cream. Finally
got to where sugar tasted terrible in coffee but the cream (!!!)
Alas coffee with skim or 1% was too watery.

So finally I concocted a solution.
I have one of those individual coffee cones, where
you can make one cup. Instead of pouring hot water
through it I pour heated 1% milk (77 seconds on my microwave) through two
heaping spoons of ground coffee. When it drains through I zap the resulting
mixture 22 seconds and then I use one of those battery operated whips to froth
it up.

Works for me, is healthier as I avoid the fat of cream and the sugar of those
bygone college days.
Caf in the morning, decaf in the afternoons.


k30a

[dr-solo@wi.rr.xx.com]

I am sooo glad my diet calls for cream instead of milk. But cream just doesnt froth
very well so I use cream in a can. doesnt look the same, but tastes great. what I
especially like is coffee over ice nearly 50/50 with cream.. like ice cream, which
will have to do until they start making ice cream without the carbs. Ingrid

(K30a) wrote:
>I had to wean myself off the sugar so I switched to coffee with cream. Finally
>got to where sugar tasted terrible in coffee but the cream (!!!)
>Alas coffee with skim or 1% was too watery.

[D Kat]

Better yet, if you can switch over to green tea and honey you will be
healthier and happier for it in the long run. Coffee addiction was the
toughest drug I ever had to give up before discovering green tea.


> wrote in message
...
> dont bother with McD's coffee... tastes like burnt shit and they fill it
right up to
> the brim even when you ask for cream and sugar so you cant actually add
any cream to
> it. In fact, forget McD's completely. There are more responsible fast
food
> corporations out there that care about their customers. Ingrid
>
> (K30a) wrote:
>
> >
> >Nedra wrote >>I get my morning coffee from McDonald's *every* morning.<<
> >
> >What?!
> >It is not possible to go without coffee, upon waking, for five minutes!
Too
> >much time involved in getting to McD's for coffee. Would they accept me
in my
> >jamies?
> >I have decided I can not risk being stranded on a desert island. Nor can
I be
> >involved in any activity that would restrict my access to coffee. I once
> >de-caffed myself by accident..... worst couple days of my life ;-)
> >
> >
> >k30a
>