Wanted: Deadly, Thorny Shrub

[Doug Kanter]

.....to plant this spring in a spot where disgusting dog owners like to stop
their filthy beasts on my property. Shrub must be capable of inflicting
enough damage to send the dog to the vet. I'm thinking of barberry. Open to
suggestions for other shrub options. The planting spot receives sun for
about 2/3 of the day, and will be buried in snow for 3 months out of the
year.

[Ricky]

"Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
...
> ....to plant this spring in a spot where disgusting dog owners like to
stop
> their filthy beasts on my property. Shrub must be capable of inflicting
> enough damage to send the dog to the vet. I'm thinking of barberry. Open
to
> suggestions for other shrub options. The planting spot receives sun for
> about 2/3 of the day, and will be buried in snow for 3 months out of the
> year.

Shame about the snow. I was going to recommend several large variegated
Agave but I don't know if they'll handle snow for 3 months. How about barbed
wire on some bamboo poles?

[Doug Kanter]

"Ricky" > wrote in message
...
> "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
> ...
> > ....to plant this spring in a spot where disgusting dog owners like to
> stop
> > their filthy beasts on my property. Shrub must be capable of inflicting
> > enough damage to send the dog to the vet. I'm thinking of barberry. Open
> to
> > suggestions for other shrub options. The planting spot receives sun for
> > about 2/3 of the day, and will be buried in snow for 3 months out of the
> > year.
>
> Shame about the snow. I was going to recommend several large variegated
> Agave but I don't know if they'll handle snow for 3 months. How about
barbed
> wire on some bamboo poles?
>
>

Barbed wire might appear to have been installed with the goal of
intentionally injuring the dogs. <snicker>

[Jim Carlock]

> "Doug Kanter" > asked about:
> something to stop filthy beasts...

I don't know where this idea came from...

A small battery operated fan attached to a motion sensor
that is attached to a small contraption of cheyenne and
black pepper. If the spritz doesn't shoot up too high, I'm
thinking along the lines that ONLY the dog will get whiff
of it and thus if it's hidden well enough, people won't be
apt to steal it.

Or even better yet, get some oil of mating for dogs and
put it on something off your property where you can get
odd pictures of dogs and neighbors... if there's a remote
controlled spritzing device you can spritz the legs of the
neighbors...

Hmm. I bet such an item would sell and could be patented.

--
Jim Carlock
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[Paul E. Lehmann]

Doug Kanter wrote:

> ....to plant this spring in a spot where disgusting dog owners like to
> stop their filthy beasts on my property. Shrub must be capable of
> inflicting enough damage to send the dog to the vet. I'm thinking of
> barberry. Open to suggestions for other shrub options. The planting spot
> receives sun for about 2/3 of the day, and will be buried in snow for 3
> months out of the year.

What about Pyrocantha

[Doug Kanter]

"Paul E. Lehmann" > wrote in message
...
> Doug Kanter wrote:
>
> > ....to plant this spring in a spot where disgusting dog owners like to
> > stop their filthy beasts on my property. Shrub must be capable of
> > inflicting enough damage to send the dog to the vet. I'm thinking of
> > barberry. Open to suggestions for other shrub options. The planting spot
> > receives sun for about 2/3 of the day, and will be buried in snow for 3
> > months out of the year.
>
> What about Pyrocantha

Thanks for the tip. Looks like an attractive plant, too.

[Chelsea Christenson]

Doug Kanter wrote:
> ....to plant this spring in a spot where disgusting dog owners like to stop
> their filthy beasts on my property. Shrub must be capable of inflicting
> enough damage to send the dog to the vet.

The dogs aren't deciding where to stop. Mutilate the owners.

[paghat]

In article >, wrote:

> Doug Kanter wrote:
>
> > ....to plant this spring in a spot where disgusting dog owners like to
> > stop their filthy beasts on my property. Shrub must be capable of
> > inflicting enough damage to send the dog to the vet. I'm thinking of
> > barberry. Open to suggestions for other shrub options. The planting spot
> > receives sun for about 2/3 of the day, and will be buried in snow for 3
> > months out of the year.
>
> What about Pyrocantha

I'd think that'd be the best choice. A very pretty "wall" could be grown
of mixed shrubbs starting with pyrocantha as about the biggest thing.
There are hundreds of varieties of hawthorns, some have three to five inch
spikes, most of which would do very well in places with very cold winters
& lots of snow. Barberry bushes & rugosa roses are good intermediate-sized
impenetrable shrubs, euphorbia crown-of-thorns for something shorter, &
vicious groundcovers like some creeping rubra species, or
smilex/greenbriar, or dwarf crimson barberry. A natural barrier of spiky
plants could be very beautiful, flowery, & winter-berried for year-round
color, though one would require enough room in one's yard to steer pretty
clear of it while relaxing, & buy some gardening armor come pruning time.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
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[Doug Kanter]

"Chelsea Christenson" > wrote in message
...
> Doug Kanter wrote:
> > ....to plant this spring in a spot where disgusting dog owners like to
stop
> > their filthy beasts on my property. Shrub must be capable of inflicting
> > enough damage to send the dog to the vet.
>
> The dogs aren't deciding where to stop. Mutilate the owners.
>

Great idea, but unfortunately, I'm not always around to greet the assholes.
I'm home today, though, and saw something unbelievable. A slimeball was
walking her dog. She began with the usual routine - letting her dog
investigate the edge of my neighbor's lawn where it meets the street. Then,
she wandered RIGHT INTO THE MIDDLE of a 50' deep lawn, let the dog crap, and
cleaned it up. Where the hell do some dog owners get the idea that this sort
of thing is acceptable???

[zxcvbob]

Doug Kanter wrote:

> ....to plant this spring in a spot where disgusting dog owners like to stop
> their filthy beasts on my property. Shrub must be capable of inflicting
> enough damage to send the dog to the vet. I'm thinking of barberry. Open to
> suggestions for other shrub options. The planting spot receives sun for
> about 2/3 of the day, and will be buried in snow for 3 months out of the
> year.
>
>

Gorse, common hawthorn, or sloe would do it. Also probably some of the
hedge roses, or bois d' arc if you prune it into a shrub form.

I'm not sure if honey locust can be grown as a shrub.

Best regards,
Bob

[Doug Kanter]

"paghat" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, wrote:
>
> > Doug Kanter wrote:
> >
> > > ....to plant this spring in a spot where disgusting dog owners like to
> > > stop their filthy beasts on my property. Shrub must be capable of
> > > inflicting enough damage to send the dog to the vet. I'm thinking of
> > > barberry. Open to suggestions for other shrub options. The planting
spot
> > > receives sun for about 2/3 of the day, and will be buried in snow for
3
> > > months out of the year.
> >
> > What about Pyrocantha
>
> I'd think that'd be the best choice. A very pretty "wall" could be grown
> of mixed shrubbs starting with pyrocantha as about the biggest thing.
> There are hundreds of varieties of hawthorns, some have three to five inch
> spikes, most of which would do very well in places with very cold winters
> & lots of snow. Barberry bushes & rugosa roses are good intermediate-sized
> impenetrable shrubs, euphorbia crown-of-thorns for something shorter, &
> vicious groundcovers like some creeping rubra species, or
> smilex/greenbriar, or dwarf crimson barberry. A natural barrier of spiky
> plants could be very beautiful, flowery, & winter-berried for year-round
> color, though one would require enough room in one's yard to steer pretty
> clear of it while relaxing, & buy some gardening armor come pruning time.

Rugosa! I lived with a 20' row of those for as many years and loved them. I
keep forgetting.

The spot in question is about 50' from the house, on a street corner.
There's a street sign, and the town could, in theory, say they need access
to it regularly, but I wasn't planning on consulting with them. Anyway...to
narrow the choices a bit: I used to have a monster of a barberry next to my
garage. It was 8 feet high and 5 feet wide. If I needed to paint, or clean
the gutters, I used to squeeze the barberry into a smaller "form"
temporarily by wrapping it in Romex - the wire you find running through the
walls of most houses. If the town ever needed to do whatever towns do to
street signs (like assign 5 guys at $45 per hour to wax it), I'd need a
plant rugged enough to be imprisoned and squeezed like I did with the
barberry.

[Hound Dog]

"Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Chelsea Christenson" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Doug Kanter wrote:
>> > ....to plant this spring in a spot where disgusting dog owners like to
> stop
>> > their filthy beasts on my property. Shrub must be capable of inflicting
>> > enough damage to send the dog to the vet.
>>
>> The dogs aren't deciding where to stop. Mutilate the owners.
>>
>
> Great idea, but unfortunately, I'm not always around to greet the
> assholes.
> I'm home today, though, and saw something unbelievable. A slimeball was
> walking her dog. She began with the usual routine - letting her dog
> investigate the edge of my neighbor's lawn where it meets the street.
> Then,
> she wandered RIGHT INTO THE MIDDLE of a 50' deep lawn, let the dog crap,
> and
> cleaned it up. Where the hell do some dog owners get the idea that this
> sort
> of thing is acceptable???

At least she cleaned up after her dog. Most would not have.

Home owners, if caught, should receive heavy fines for allowing their dogs
to use the neighborhood as a toilet.

Apartment buildings that permit tenants to have dogs should be required by
law to have a fenced in area where dogs must be walked.

[Doug Kanter]

"Hound Dog" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Chelsea Christenson" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> Doug Kanter wrote:
> >> > ....to plant this spring in a spot where disgusting dog owners like
to
> > stop
> >> > their filthy beasts on my property. Shrub must be capable of
inflicting
> >> > enough damage to send the dog to the vet.
> >>
> >> The dogs aren't deciding where to stop. Mutilate the owners.
> >>
> >
> > Great idea, but unfortunately, I'm not always around to greet the
> > assholes.
> > I'm home today, though, and saw something unbelievable. A slimeball was
> > walking her dog. She began with the usual routine - letting her dog
> > investigate the edge of my neighbor's lawn where it meets the street.
> > Then,
> > she wandered RIGHT INTO THE MIDDLE of a 50' deep lawn, let the dog crap,
> > and
> > cleaned it up. Where the hell do some dog owners get the idea that this
> > sort
> > of thing is acceptable???
>
> At least she cleaned up after her dog. Most would not have.

Yeah...but the middle of the damned lawn? Hey....why not just come right
into the house?




>
> Home owners, if caught, should receive heavy fines for allowing their dogs
> to use the neighborhood as a toilet.
>
> Apartment buildings that permit tenants to have dogs should be required by
> law to have a fenced in area where dogs must be walked.
>
>
>

[Cheryl Isaak]

On 12/1/04 4:50 PM, in article , "Hound
Dog" > wrote:

>
> "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Chelsea Christenson" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Doug Kanter wrote:
>>>> ....to plant this spring in a spot where disgusting dog owners like to
>> stop
>>>> their filthy beasts on my property. Shrub must be capable of inflicting
>>>> enough damage to send the dog to the vet.
>>>
>>> The dogs aren't deciding where to stop. Mutilate the owners.
>>>
>>
>> Great idea, but unfortunately, I'm not always around to greet the
>> assholes.
>> I'm home today, though, and saw something unbelievable. A slimeball was
>> walking her dog. She began with the usual routine - letting her dog
>> investigate the edge of my neighbor's lawn where it meets the street.
>> Then,
>> she wandered RIGHT INTO THE MIDDLE of a 50' deep lawn, let the dog crap,
>> and
>> cleaned it up. Where the hell do some dog owners get the idea that this
>> sort
>> of thing is acceptable???
>
> At least she cleaned up after her dog. Most would not have.
>
> Home owners, if caught, should receive heavy fines for allowing their dogs
> to use the neighborhood as a toilet.
>
> Apartment buildings that permit tenants to have dogs should be required by
> law to have a fenced in area where dogs must be walked.
>
>
>


There is a real winner that walk a pair of little white things (we can them
the street rats). They've been fined multiple times for not cleaning up
after the dogs and have had animal control called on them countless more.
Hasn't changed a thing....

Cheryl

[Christopher Green]

zxcvbob > wrote in message >...
> Doug Kanter wrote:
>
> > ....to plant this spring in a spot where disgusting dog owners like to stop
> > their filthy beasts on my property. Shrub must be capable of inflicting
> > enough damage to send the dog to the vet. I'm thinking of barberry. Open to
> > suggestions for other shrub options. The planting spot receives sun for
> > about 2/3 of the day, and will be buried in snow for 3 months out of the
> > year.
> >
> >
>
> Gorse, common hawthorn, or sloe would do it. Also probably some of the
> hedge roses, or bois d' arc if you prune it into a shrub form.
>
> I'm not sure if honey locust can be grown as a shrub.
>
> Best regards,
> Bob

Watch out for gorse, it can become a major pest. It's officially a
noxious weed in many places.

Barberry and pyracantha are both good. Pick a fireblight-resistant
pyracantha. If minor cruelty to animals doesn't disturb you, birds
pigging out and getting drunk on pyracantha berries can be amusing.

--
Chris Green

[Doug Kanter]

"Cheryl Isaak" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/1/04 4:50 PM, in article , "Hound
> Dog" > wrote:
>
> >
> > "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>
> >> "Chelsea Christenson" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> Doug Kanter wrote:
> >>>> ....to plant this spring in a spot where disgusting dog owners like
to
> >> stop
> >>>> their filthy beasts on my property. Shrub must be capable of
inflicting
> >>>> enough damage to send the dog to the vet.
> >>>
> >>> The dogs aren't deciding where to stop. Mutilate the owners.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Great idea, but unfortunately, I'm not always around to greet the
> >> assholes.
> >> I'm home today, though, and saw something unbelievable. A slimeball was
> >> walking her dog. She began with the usual routine - letting her dog
> >> investigate the edge of my neighbor's lawn where it meets the street.
> >> Then,
> >> she wandered RIGHT INTO THE MIDDLE of a 50' deep lawn, let the dog
crap,
> >> and
> >> cleaned it up. Where the hell do some dog owners get the idea that this
> >> sort
> >> of thing is acceptable???
> >
> > At least she cleaned up after her dog. Most would not have.
> >
> > Home owners, if caught, should receive heavy fines for allowing their
dogs
> > to use the neighborhood as a toilet.
> >
> > Apartment buildings that permit tenants to have dogs should be required
by
> > law to have a fenced in area where dogs must be walked.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> There is a real winner that walk a pair of little white things (we can
them
> the street rats). They've been fined multiple times for not cleaning up
> after the dogs and have had animal control called on them countless more.
> Hasn't changed a thing....

Got a town judge you can talk to? Do it. Technically, those dog walkers are
guilty of civil trespass, although a judge won't enforce it unless she/he is
informed that the situation is about to get ugly. A judge with a brain will
provide an injunction which permits the cops to arrest the people for simply
setting foot on your lawn. Also works for people who think it's OK to douse
your side of the property line with hideous chemicals.

[Cheryl Isaak]

On 12/1/04 5:26 PM, in article , "Doug
Kanter" > wrote:

> "Cheryl Isaak" > wrote in message
> ...

(SNIP)
>>
>>
>> There is a real winner that walk a pair of little white things (we can
> them
>> the street rats). They've been fined multiple times for not cleaning up
>> after the dogs and have had animal control called on them countless more.
>> Hasn't changed a thing....
>
> Got a town judge you can talk to? Do it. Technically, those dog walkers are
> guilty of civil trespass, although a judge won't enforce it unless she/he is
> informed that the situation is about to get ugly. A judge with a brain will
> provide an injunction which permits the cops to arrest the people for simply
> setting foot on your lawn. Also works for people who think it's OK to douse
> your side of the property line with hideous chemicals.
>
>

It would have to go to the county IIRC and while I might think it worth it,
my lawn hasn't been anointed for quite some time. Right now they are
targeting other areas of the general neighborhood.

BTW - go with the rugosas - hardy, pretty, makes the birds happy and the
deer don't eat them.

Cheryl

[Keith Copi]

"Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
...
> ....to plant this spring in a spot where disgusting dog owners like to
> stop
> their filthy beasts on my property. Shrub must be capable of inflicting
> enough damage to send the dog to the vet. I'm thinking of barberry. Open
> to
> suggestions for other shrub options. The planting spot receives sun for
> about 2/3 of the day, and will be buried in snow for 3 months out of the
> year.
>

I don't know if it will grow in your area but the nastiest thorns I've ever
seen are on hardy orange. Usually grown as a small tree, I've heard of it
being used as a hedge. It is a very attractive plant year round with
utterly vicious thorns. I believe it's hardy to zone 6. By the way, I
still laugh every time I think of that "pistol targets in fur jackets"
comment you made a few weeks back.

Keith

[Vox Humana]

"Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
...
>
> "paghat" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
wrote:
> >
> > > Doug Kanter wrote:
> > >
> > > > ....to plant this spring in a spot where disgusting dog owners like
to
> > > > stop their filthy beasts on my property. Shrub must be capable of
> > > > inflicting enough damage to send the dog to the vet. I'm thinking of
> > > > barberry. Open to suggestions for other shrub options. The planting

> Rugosa! I lived with a 20' row of those for as many years and loved them.
I
> keep forgetting.

I have been toying with the idea of planting some roses, probably rugosa
roses, to discourage kids from riding their bikes across my yard. There's
nothing quite as nasty as falling into a rose bush! I haven't had good luck
with pyrocantha and barberry isn't nasty enough in my opinion.

[Robert Chambers]

How about a "whomping willow" like the Harry Potter movies? That would
take care of dogs, kids, pretty much anything.

Vox Humana wrote:

> "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>"paghat" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>In article >,
>
> wrote:
>
>>>>Doug Kanter wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>....to plant this spring in a spot where disgusting dog owners like
>
> to
>
>>>>>stop their filthy beasts on my property. Shrub must be capable of
>>>>>inflicting enough damage to send the dog to the vet. I'm thinking of
>>>>>barberry. Open to suggestions for other shrub options. The planting
>
>
>>Rugosa! I lived with a 20' row of those for as many years and loved them.
>
> I
>
>>keep forgetting.
>
>
> I have been toying with the idea of planting some roses, probably rugosa
> roses, to discourage kids from riding their bikes across my yard. There's
> nothing quite as nasty as falling into a rose bush! I haven't had good luck
> with pyrocantha and barberry isn't nasty enough in my opinion.
>
>

[Vox Humana]

"Robert Chambers" > wrote in message
. com...
> How about a "whomping willow" like the Harry Potter movies? That would
> take care of dogs, kids, pretty much anything.
>

I'm probably the only person on earth who hasn't seen any of the Harry
Potter movies.

[Doug Kanter]

"Vox Humana" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "paghat" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > In article >,
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Doug Kanter wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > ....to plant this spring in a spot where disgusting dog owners
like
> to
> > > > > stop their filthy beasts on my property. Shrub must be capable of
> > > > > inflicting enough damage to send the dog to the vet. I'm thinking
of
> > > > > barberry. Open to suggestions for other shrub options. The
planting
>
> > Rugosa! I lived with a 20' row of those for as many years and loved
them.
> I
> > keep forgetting.
>
> I have been toying with the idea of planting some roses, probably rugosa
> roses, to discourage kids from riding their bikes across my yard. There's
> nothing quite as nasty as falling into a rose bush! I haven't had good
luck
> with pyrocantha and barberry isn't nasty enough in my opinion.
>
>

My barberry would literally shred the sleeves of a flannel shirt if I dared
reach into it. Different variety, maybe. I didn't plant the original one -
it came with the house and might've been close to 50 years old.

[Doug Kanter]

"Cheryl Isaak" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/1/04 5:26 PM, in article , "Doug
> Kanter" > wrote:
>
> > "Cheryl Isaak" > wrote in message
> > ...
>
> (SNIP)
> >>
> >>
> >> There is a real winner that walk a pair of little white things (we can
> > them
> >> the street rats). They've been fined multiple times for not cleaning
up
> >> after the dogs and have had animal control called on them countless
more.
> >> Hasn't changed a thing....
> >
> > Got a town judge you can talk to? Do it. Technically, those dog walkers
are
> > guilty of civil trespass, although a judge won't enforce it unless
she/he is
> > informed that the situation is about to get ugly. A judge with a brain
will
> > provide an injunction which permits the cops to arrest the people for
simply
> > setting foot on your lawn. Also works for people who think it's OK to
douse
> > your side of the property line with hideous chemicals.
> >
> >
>
> It would have to go to the county IIRC and while I might think it worth
it,
> my lawn hasn't been anointed for quite some time. Right now they are
> targeting other areas of the general neighborhood.
>
> BTW - go with the rugosas - hardy, pretty, makes the birds happy and the
> deer don't eat them.
>
> Cheryl
>

I guess it depends on the neighborhood. Here, the town judges are the first
stop, county courts the second.

Rugosa sounds like a good choice. 2-3 nights a week when I step outside,
there are deer 20 feet from the door, and they stand there and stare at me
light I have a lot of nerve for invading their driveway. :-)

[Doug Kanter]

"Keith Copi" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
> ...
> > ....to plant this spring in a spot where disgusting dog owners like to
> > stop
> > their filthy beasts on my property. Shrub must be capable of inflicting
> > enough damage to send the dog to the vet. I'm thinking of barberry. Open
> > to
> > suggestions for other shrub options. The planting spot receives sun for
> > about 2/3 of the day, and will be buried in snow for 3 months out of the
> > year.
> >
>
> I don't know if it will grow in your area but the nastiest thorns I've
ever
> seen are on hardy orange. Usually grown as a small tree, I've heard of it
> being used as a hedge. It is a very attractive plant year round with
> utterly vicious thorns. I believe it's hardy to zone 6. By the way, I
> still laugh every time I think of that "pistol targets in fur jackets"
> comment you made a few weeks back.
>
> Keith
>
>

I'm glad you found that entertaining! Mostly, I get nasty comments from
people who think natural law dictates that I like their dogs.

[Ed Clarke]

In article >, Vox Humana wrote:
>
> "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "paghat" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >,
> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Doug Kanter wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > ....to plant this spring in a spot where disgusting dog owners like
> to
>> > > > stop their filthy beasts on my property. Shrub must be capable of
>> > > > inflicting enough damage to send the dog to the vet. I'm thinking of
>> > > > barberry. Open to suggestions for other shrub options. The planting
>
>> Rugosa! I lived with a 20' row of those for as many years and loved them.
> I
>> keep forgetting.
>
> I have been toying with the idea of planting some roses, probably rugosa
> roses, to discourage kids from riding their bikes across my yard. There's
> nothing quite as nasty as falling into a rose bush! I haven't had good luck
> with pyrocantha and barberry isn't nasty enough in my opinion.

Flowering quince ( Chaenomeles speciosa ). My parents had one of these
*******ly plants in front of a bay window that I had to paint several
times over the years. Unfortunately, they've sold the house and now I'll
never get to trim it with a lawnmower, dig up the roots and salt the earth
where it grew.

http://www.arhomeandgarden.org/plantoftheweek/articles/japonica.htm

Stout thorns is a severe understatement.

[paghat]

In article >, "Vox Humana"
> wrote:

> "Robert Chambers" > wrote in message
> . com...
> > How about a "whomping willow" like the Harry Potter movies? That would
> > take care of dogs, kids, pretty much anything.
> >
>
> I'm probably the only person on earth who hasn't seen any of the Harry
> Potter movies.

I'm a hard-core film fan who hangs out with other hard-core film fans.
Almost none of us have seen any Harry Potter films.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
Visit the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com

[Tom Jaszewski]

On 2 Dec 2004 02:39:13 GMT, Ed Clarke > wrote:

>
>Stout thorns is a severe understatement.


Thorny? You don't know what thorny is until you plant a
S. jankalski, now that's one thorny sombitch....

[Tom Jaszewski]

On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 18:55:56 -0800,
(paghat) wrote:

>I'm a hard-core film fan who hangs out with other hard-core film fans.
>Almost none of us have seen any Harry Potter films.


LOL, that and .35 cents will get you......

We're getting to callused?

[Suzie-Q]

In article >,
"Doug Kanter" > wrote:

-> "Chelsea Christenson" > wrote in message
-> ...
-> > Doug Kanter wrote:
-> > > ....to plant this spring in a spot where disgusting dog owners like to
-> stop
-> > > their filthy beasts on my property. Shrub must be capable of inflicting
-> > > enough damage to send the dog to the vet.
-> >
-> > The dogs aren't deciding where to stop. Mutilate the owners.
-> >
->
-> Great idea, but unfortunately, I'm not always around to greet the assholes.
-> I'm home today, though, and saw something unbelievable. A slimeball was
-> walking her dog. She began with the usual routine - letting her dog
-> investigate the edge of my neighbor's lawn where it meets the street. Then,
-> she wandered RIGHT INTO THE MIDDLE of a 50' deep lawn, let the dog crap, and
-> cleaned it up. Where the hell do some dog owners get the idea that this sort
-> of thing is acceptable???


If she cleaned up after the dog, what's the problem?
--
8^\~~~ Sue (remove the x to e-mail)
~~~~~~
"I reserve the absolute right to be smarter
today than I was yesterday." -Adlai Stevenson

http://www.suzanne-eckhardt.com/
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[Robert Chambers]

I'm sorry to have not included a description then. There's no need to
sully yourself by watching an HP flick. for the purposes of this
discussion it's a tree that for one reason or another is very bad
tempered and if you get near it, it's likely to reach over and "whomp"
you with a vengeance. It smashed up a Ford Anglia once and the latest
movie it flings the people around.

I think it's make believe though so I don't think you can order them
from your usual suppliers.

I resisted the Harry Potter movies for as long as I could but my 8 and 5
year old are more persistent than I am stubborn. Turns out I enjoyed
them after all - who'd a thunk it?

Robert

paghat wrote:

> In article >, "Vox Humana"
> > wrote:
>
>
>>"Robert Chambers" > wrote in message
. com...
>>
>>>How about a "whomping willow" like the Harry Potter movies? That would
>>>take care of dogs, kids, pretty much anything.
>>>
>>
>>I'm probably the only person on earth who hasn't seen any of the Harry
>>Potter movies.
>
>
> I'm a hard-core film fan who hangs out with other hard-core film fans.
> Almost none of us have seen any Harry Potter films.
>
> -paghat the ratgirl
>

[Salty Thumb]

Robert Chambers > wrote in news:HQwrd.1401
:

> I'm sorry to have not included a description then. There's no need to
> sully yourself by watching an HP flick. for the purposes of this
> discussion it's a tree that for one reason or another is very bad
> tempered and if you get near it, it's likely to reach over and "whomp"
> you with a vengeance. It smashed up a Ford Anglia once and the latest
> movie it flings the people around.
>
> I think it's make believe though so I don't think you can order them
> from your usual suppliers.

You can grow your own "whomping willow". All you need is Harry Potter's
Chamber Pot of Secrets. The fertilizer is the key.

[zxcvbob]

Robert Chambers wrote:
> I'm sorry to have not included a description then. There's no need to
> sully yourself by watching an HP flick. for the purposes of this
> discussion it's a tree that for one reason or another is very bad
> tempered and if you get near it, it's likely to reach over and "whomp"
> you with a vengeance. It smashed up a Ford Anglia once and the latest
> movie it flings the people around.
>
> I think it's make believe though so I don't think you can order them
> from your usual suppliers.
>
> I resisted the Harry Potter movies for as long as I could but my 8 and 5
> year old are more persistent than I am stubborn. Turns out I enjoyed
> them after all - who'd a thunk it?
>
> Robert
>


Maybe Doug needs to plant an "Audrey".

(that ought to confuse a few folks)

Bob

[Cheryl Isaak]

On 12/1/04 8:10 PM, in article ,
"Vox Humana" > wrote:

>
> "Robert Chambers" > wrote in message
> . com...
>> How about a "whomping willow" like the Harry Potter movies? That would
>> take care of dogs, kids, pretty much anything.
>>
>
> I'm probably the only person on earth who hasn't seen any of the Harry
> Potter movies.
>
>

They are well worth the read and/or watch. Not the best of best, but darn
good!

Cheryl

[Cheryl Isaak]

On 12/1/04 11:50 PM, in article , "zxcvbob"
> wrote:

> Robert Chambers wrote:
>> I'm sorry to have not included a description then. There's no need to
>> sully yourself by watching an HP flick. for the purposes of this
>> discussion it's a tree that for one reason or another is very bad
>> tempered and if you get near it, it's likely to reach over and "whomp"
>> you with a vengeance. It smashed up a Ford Anglia once and the latest
>> movie it flings the people around.
>>
>> I think it's make believe though so I don't think you can order them
>> from your usual suppliers.
>>
>> I resisted the Harry Potter movies for as long as I could but my 8 and 5
>> year old are more persistent than I am stubborn. Turns out I enjoyed
>> them after all - who'd a thunk it?
>>
>> Robert
>>
>
>
> Maybe Doug needs to plant an "Audrey".
>
> (that ought to confuse a few folks)
>
> Bob


No - what is so confusing? LOL

Cheryl

[SVTKate]

Hey Ricky,
When my husband and I bought our first house we had that problem. Everyone
in the neighborhood
wo was walking a dog let it stop on my front yard.

I just made a simple little sign on my computer, in nice bold lettering.
It read:

We don't use your yard for a toilet.
Please don't let your animals use ours for one!

It only took a week. Long enough for all the dog walkers to see it, and it
stopped!
It enabled us to stay friendly with the neighbors too since each of them
could blame the other guy LOL

Kate

"Ricky" > wrote in message
...
| "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
| ...
| > ....to plant this spring in a spot where disgusting dog owners like to
| stop
| > their filthy beasts on my property. Shrub must be capable of inflicting
| > enough damage to send the dog to the vet. I'm thinking of barberry. Open
| to
| > suggestions for other shrub options. The planting spot receives sun for
| > about 2/3 of the day, and will be buried in snow for 3 months out of the
| > year.
|
| Shame about the snow. I was going to recommend several large variegated
| Agave but I don't know if they'll handle snow for 3 months. How about
barbed
| wire on some bamboo poles?
|
|

[SVTKate]

They DO make a motion activated sprinkler that is supposed to shoo pests
away.

Kate


"Jim Carlock" > wrote in message
. ..
|> "Doug Kanter" > asked about:
| > something to stop filthy beasts...
|
| I don't know where this idea came from...
|
| A small battery operated fan attached to a motion sensor
| that is attached to a small contraption of cheyenne and
| black pepper. If the spritz doesn't shoot up too high, I'm
| thinking along the lines that ONLY the dog will get whiff
| of it and thus if it's hidden well enough, people won't be
| apt to steal it.
|
| Or even better yet, get some oil of mating for dogs and
| put it on something off your property where you can get
| odd pictures of dogs and neighbors... if there's a remote
| controlled spritzing device you can spritz the legs of the
| neighbors...
|
| Hmm. I bet such an item would sell and could be patented.
|
| --
| Jim Carlock
| Post replies to newsgroup.
|
|

[Doug Kanter]

I suspect it only works on animals which are afraid of rain. For the rest,
they'll probably get used to it pretty quickly.

"SVTKate" > wrote in message
k.net...
> They DO make a motion activated sprinkler that is supposed to shoo pests
> away.
>
> Kate
>
>
> "Jim Carlock" > wrote in message
> . ..
> |> "Doug Kanter" > asked about:
> | > something to stop filthy beasts...
> |
> | I don't know where this idea came from...
> |
> | A small battery operated fan attached to a motion sensor
> | that is attached to a small contraption of cheyenne and
> | black pepper. If the spritz doesn't shoot up too high, I'm
> | thinking along the lines that ONLY the dog will get whiff
> | of it and thus if it's hidden well enough, people won't be
> | apt to steal it.
> |
> | Or even better yet, get some oil of mating for dogs and
> | put it on something off your property where you can get
> | odd pictures of dogs and neighbors... if there's a remote
> | controlled spritzing device you can spritz the legs of the
> | neighbors...
> |
> | Hmm. I bet such an item would sell and could be patented.
> |
> | --
> | Jim Carlock
> | Post replies to newsgroup.
> |
> |
>
>

[Doug Kanter]

"Suzie-Q" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Doug Kanter" > wrote:
>
> -> "Chelsea Christenson" > wrote in message
> -> ...
> -> > Doug Kanter wrote:
> -> > > ....to plant this spring in a spot where disgusting dog owners like
to
> -> stop
> -> > > their filthy beasts on my property. Shrub must be capable of
inflicting
> -> > > enough damage to send the dog to the vet.
> -> >
> -> > The dogs aren't deciding where to stop. Mutilate the owners.
> -> >
> ->
> -> Great idea, but unfortunately, I'm not always around to greet the
assholes.
> -> I'm home today, though, and saw something unbelievable. A slimeball was
> -> walking her dog. She began with the usual routine - letting her dog
> -> investigate the edge of my neighbor's lawn where it meets the street.
Then,
> -> she wandered RIGHT INTO THE MIDDLE of a 50' deep lawn, let the dog
crap, and
> -> cleaned it up. Where the hell do some dog owners get the idea that this
sort
> -> of thing is acceptable???
>
>
> If she cleaned up after the dog, what's the problem?

1) You apparently don't observe dogs very effectively. Even if the crap is
cleaned up, the scent interests OTHER dogs, including the unleashed ones.
Then, the spot becomes popular and the property owner has to deal with the
results.

2) If you dragged your trash can to a neighbor's property, dumped it on the
middle of their lawn, and cleaned it up, you'd be arrested and taken
somewhere for psychological evaluation. Afterward, you'd get a little
talking-to from a judge. There is no difference between this and the dog
owner I described.

3) Private property comes with certain rights and privileges. If the owner
asks you to remove your shoes when walking on their lawn, you do it. If the
owner asks dog owners not to stop their animals on the property, regardless
of whether they clean up after them, the request will be honored. Period. No
questions, no debates, no excuses.

[zxcvbob]

Cheryl Isaak wrote:

> On 12/1/04 11:50 PM, in article , "zxcvbob"
> > wrote:
>
>
>>Robert Chambers wrote:
>>
>>>I'm sorry to have not included a description then. There's no need to
>>>sully yourself by watching an HP flick. for the purposes of this
>>>discussion it's a tree that for one reason or another is very bad
>>>tempered and if you get near it, it's likely to reach over and "whomp"
>>>you with a vengeance. It smashed up a Ford Anglia once and the latest
>>>movie it flings the people around.
>>>
>>>I think it's make believe though so I don't think you can order them
>>>from your usual suppliers.
>>>
>>>I resisted the Harry Potter movies for as long as I could but my 8 and 5
>>>year old are more persistent than I am stubborn. Turns out I enjoyed
>>>them after all - who'd a thunk it?
>>>
>>>Robert
>>>
>>
>>
>>Maybe Doug needs to plant an "Audrey".
>>
>>(that ought to confuse a few folks)
>>
>>Bob
>
>
>
> No - what is so confusing? LOL
>
> Cheryl
>


It's a literary reference, and that always confuses *somebody*.

Bob

[Cheryl Isaak]

On 12/2/04 9:07 AM, in article , "zxcvbob"
> wrote:

> Cheryl Isaak wrote:
>
>> On 12/1/04 11:50 PM, in article , "zxcvbob"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Robert Chambers wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm sorry to have not included a description then. There's no need to
>>>> sully yourself by watching an HP flick. for the purposes of this
>>>> discussion it's a tree that for one reason or another is very bad
>>>> tempered and if you get near it, it's likely to reach over and "whomp"
>>>> you with a vengeance. It smashed up a Ford Anglia once and the latest
>>>> movie it flings the people around.
>>>>
>>>> I think it's make believe though so I don't think you can order them
>>>> from your usual suppliers.
>>>>
>>>> I resisted the Harry Potter movies for as long as I could but my 8 and 5
>>>> year old are more persistent than I am stubborn. Turns out I enjoyed
>>>> them after all - who'd a thunk it?
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe Doug needs to plant an "Audrey".
>>>
>>> (that ought to confuse a few folks)
>>>
>>> Bob
>>
>>
>>
>> No - what is so confusing? LOL
>>
>> Cheryl
>>
>
>
> It's a literary reference, and that always confuses *somebody*.
>
> Bob


Or a play or movie (and boy was it BAD) reference. That does make it a
little more accessible!
Cheryl

[J. Del Col]

"Jim Carlock" > wrote in message >...
> > "Doug Kanter" > asked about:
> > something to stop filthy beasts...
>
> I don't know where this idea came from...
>
> A small battery operated fan attached to a motion sensor
> that is attached to a small contraption of cheyenne ....


Cheyenne? Wyoming? Autumn? The old TV show with Clint Walker?

Perhaps you mean cayenne.


J. Del Col

[Vox Humana]

"Janet Baraclough.." > wrote in message
...
> The message >
> from "Vox Humana" > contains these words:
>
> > I have been toying with the idea of planting some roses, probably rugosa
> > roses, to discourage kids from riding their bikes across my yard.
There's
> > nothing quite as nasty as falling into a rose bush!
>
> Oh, there is. Even nastier, is a concealed plank full of long nails,
> carelessly left lying around by the property owner after he was using it
> to clear autumn leaves. Extensive tyre damage really upsets bikers and
> uninvited carparkers.
>
> Janet.

I like the idea, but in this world of litigation, I'm sure if someone got
injured on a nail encrusted board, there would be lawyers involved. Every
time these issues come up there is a common theme. People are not
responsible for their kids or pets. When you say something to the contrary,
you are a very bad person indeed. You hate pets and eat small children for
breakfast. You are anti-family and a danger to civilization. Kid will be
kids and it is your responsibility to make sure that they don't drink that
gasoline or motor oil while they explore your garage. When your dog nips
them as they thrust their hand through the fence, then it is your fault.

[Doug Kanter]

"Vox Humana" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Janet Baraclough.." > wrote in
message
> ...
> > The message >
> > from "Vox Humana" > contains these words:
> >
> > > I have been toying with the idea of planting some roses, probably
rugosa
> > > roses, to discourage kids from riding their bikes across my yard.
> There's
> > > nothing quite as nasty as falling into a rose bush!
> >
> > Oh, there is. Even nastier, is a concealed plank full of long nails,
> > carelessly left lying around by the property owner after he was using it
> > to clear autumn leaves. Extensive tyre damage really upsets bikers and
> > uninvited carparkers.
> >
> > Janet.
>
> I like the idea, but in this world of litigation, I'm sure if someone got
> injured on a nail encrusted board, there would be lawyers involved. Every
> time these issues come up there is a common theme. People are not
> responsible for their kids or pets. When you say something to the
contrary,
> you are a very bad person indeed. You hate pets and eat small children
for
> breakfast. You are anti-family and a danger to civilization. Kid will be
> kids and it is your responsibility to make sure that they don't drink that
> gasoline or motor oil while they explore your garage. When your dog nips
> them as they thrust their hand through the fence, then it is your fault.
>
>

Someone told me recently that I should be OK with dog crap on my carpet,
shoes & car mats because Oxy-Clean does a fine job of cleaning it up. At
times like that, I wish I had a can of spray paint to apply to the person's
shirt and hair, so they can go home and see what a great job paint thinner
does at removing paint.

[Larry Blanchard]

Vox Humana wrote:

> I have been toying with the idea of planting some roses, probably rug=
osa
> roses, to discourage kids from riding their bikes across my yard.=A0=A0=
There's
> nothing quite as nasty as falling into a rose bush! I haven't had goo=
d
> luck with pyrocantha and barberry isn't nasty enough in my opinion.

Russian Olive. I had a hedge of those at one house, and the kid next d=
oor
actually warned visiting playmates not to try to go through the hedge t=
o
retrieve a ball or whatever. He informed them they'd better walk
around :-).

But they do require pruning/trimming to keep them as a hedge. Otherwis=
e
they grow into a small tree.

--=20
Homo sapiens is a goal, not a description.

[Vox Humana]

"Ed Clarke" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Vox Humana wrote:

> Flowering quince ( Chaenomeles speciosa ). My parents had one of these
> *******ly plants in front of a bay window that I had to paint several
> times over the years. Unfortunately, they've sold the house and now I'll
> never get to trim it with a lawnmower, dig up the roots and salt the earth
> where it grew.
>
> http://www.arhomeandgarden.org/plantoftheweek/articles/japonica.htm
>
> Stout thorns is a severe understatement.

I have a flowering quince, but it must not be the same as yours as it
doesn't have thorns (at least none that I have noticed.) It is a hideous
plant most of the year, with an unruly spray of branches. If it wasn't for
the couple of weeks of beautiful flowers in the early spring, I would have
pitched the pants years ago. The previous owners had it in the front yard,
and I promptly moved it to a less visible place in the back yard. Here is
link to a picture:
http://groups.msn.com/laurelridgegardens/04132001.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=17

[paghat]

In article >, "Vox Humana"
> wrote:

> "Ed Clarke" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >, Vox Humana wrote:
>
> > Flowering quince ( Chaenomeles speciosa ). My parents had one of these
> > *******ly plants in front of a bay window that I had to paint several
> > times over the years. Unfortunately, they've sold the house and now I'll
> > never get to trim it with a lawnmower, dig up the roots and salt the earth
> > where it grew.
> >
> > http://www.arhomeandgarden.org/plantoftheweek/articles/japonica.htm
> >
> > Stout thorns is a severe understatement.
>
> I have a flowering quince, but it must not be the same as yours as it
> doesn't have thorns (at least none that I have noticed.) It is a hideous
> plant most of the year, with an unruly spray of branches. If it wasn't for
> the couple of weeks of beautiful flowers in the early spring, I would have
> pitched the pants years ago. The previous owners had it in the front yard,
> and I promptly moved it to a less visible place in the back yard. Here is
> link to a picture:
>
http://groups.msn.com/laurelridgegardens/04132001.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=17

Nice photo. And here's mine:
http://www.paghat.com/quince.html
Chaenomeles japonica cultivars are not especially thorny (on some
varieties the thorns are so blunt they barely qualify as thorns, & on
others the thorns are entirely missing). Chaenomeles speciosa is much
thornier, though it too has some thornless cultivars. I suspect yours is a
hybrid of both those species (marketed as C. superba), as the hybrids seem
to be the ones with double-flowers & no thorns & stay short in stature.

I find quinces beautiful year-round, but I usually prefer a wild-woods
look over something formal. I don't like them when they are often-pruned
in an attempt to make them look tidy & more compact, as they become
instead like tight but messy little birdnests made of stumpy twigs, but
allowed to spread out into a loose tangle of thickening limbs they're
lovely.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
Visit the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com

[Vox Humana]

"paghat" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, "Vox Humana"
> > wrote:
>
> > "Ed Clarke" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > In article >, Vox Humana
wrote:
> >
> > > Flowering quince ( Chaenomeles speciosa ). My parents had one of
these
> > > *******ly plants in front of a bay window that I had to paint several
> > > times over the years. Unfortunately, they've sold the house and now
I'll
> > > never get to trim it with a lawnmower, dig up the roots and salt the
earth
> > > where it grew.
> > >
> > > http://www.arhomeandgarden.org/plantoftheweek/articles/japonica.htm
> > >
> > > Stout thorns is a severe understatement.
> >
> > I have a flowering quince, but it must not be the same as yours as it
> > doesn't have thorns (at least none that I have noticed.) It is a
hideous
> > plant most of the year, with an unruly spray of branches. If it wasn't
for
> > the couple of weeks of beautiful flowers in the early spring, I would
have
> > pitched the pants years ago. The previous owners had it in the front
yard,
> > and I promptly moved it to a less visible place in the back yard. Here
is
> > link to a picture:
> >
>
http://groups.msn.com/laurelridgegardens/04132001.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=17
>
> Nice photo. And here's mine:
> http://www.paghat.com/quince.html
> Chaenomeles japonica cultivars are not especially thorny (on some
> varieties the thorns are so blunt they barely qualify as thorns, & on
> others the thorns are entirely missing). Chaenomeles speciosa is much
> thornier, though it too has some thornless cultivars. I suspect yours is a
> hybrid of both those species (marketed as C. superba), as the hybrids seem
> to be the ones with double-flowers & no thorns & stay short in stature.
>
> I find quinces beautiful year-round, but I usually prefer a wild-woods
> look over something formal. I don't like them when they are often-pruned
> in an attempt to make them look tidy & more compact, as they become
> instead like tight but messy little birdnests made of stumpy twigs, but
> allowed to spread out into a loose tangle of thickening limbs they're
> lovely.
>
> -paghat the ratgirl

I went outside and checked mine. Not even a hint of a thorn. It has
remained rather short, unlike the pictures that I have seen in web searches.
It has no fragrance and I haven't seen any obvious fruit.

I made the mistake of pruning it when I moved it. The plant was growing a
few feet from a red maple and the roots were commingled. Removing it was a
big job and it suffered in the process - with significant die-back. My
attempts to prune it left it looking worse that if I had done nothing. Oh
well, live and learn. I have grown to appreciate plants for their natural
form and am a lot less likely to prune solely for aesthetic reasons.

I have often gone to your website for information. I really appreciate it.
Do you have any "long shots" of your garden? All I recall seeing are
wonderful close-ups and always which that I could get an idea of what your
garden looks like. It must be wonderful.

[Salty Thumb]

(J. Del Col) wrote in
m:

> "Jim Carlock" > wrote in message
> >...
>> > "Doug Kanter" > asked about: something to
>> > stop filthy beasts...
>>
>> I don't know where this idea came from...
>>
>> A small battery operated fan attached to a motion sensor that is
>> attached to a small contraption of cheyenne ....
>
>
> Cheyenne? Wyoming? Autumn? The old TV show with Clint Walker?
>
> Perhaps you mean cayenne.
>
>
> J. Del Col
>

probably meant Shy Anne. You give a raggy Anne doll a stick, hide her in
a thicket and if anybody tries to make fun of her or just tries to pass
by, she whacks them over the head.

[Pen]

Whatever shrub you decide, tuck a little prickly pear cactus under it.
Opuntia humifusa is cold hardy to zone 5.

The worse thing for an owner of long haired dogs are burdocks. :)
Too bad it's unattractive.

[paghat]

In article >, "Vox Humana"
> wrote:

> "paghat" > wrote in message

> > > link to a picture:
> > >
> >
>
http://groups.msn.com/laurelridgegardens/04132001.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=17
> >
> > Nice photo. And here's mine:
> > http://www.paghat.com/quince.html
> > Chaenomeles japonica cultivars are not especially thorny (on some
> > varieties the thorns are so blunt they barely qualify as thorns, & on
> > others the thorns are entirely missing). Chaenomeles speciosa is much
> > thornier, though it too has some thornless cultivars. I suspect yours is a
> > hybrid of both those species (marketed as C. superba), as the hybrids seem
> > to be the ones with double-flowers & no thorns & stay short in stature.
> >
> > I find quinces beautiful year-round, but I usually prefer a wild-woods
> > look over something formal. I don't like them when they are often-pruned
> > in an attempt to make them look tidy & more compact, as they become
> > instead like tight but messy little birdnests made of stumpy twigs, but
> > allowed to spread out into a loose tangle of thickening limbs they're
> > lovely.
> >
> > -paghat the ratgirl
>
> I went outside and checked mine. Not even a hint of a thorn. It has
> remained rather short, unlike the pictures that I have seen in web searches.
> It has no fragrance and I haven't seen any obvious fruit.
>
> I made the mistake of pruning it when I moved it. The plant was growing a
> few feet from a red maple and the roots were commingled. Removing it was a
> big job and it suffered in the process - with significant die-back. My
> attempts to prune it left it looking worse that if I had done nothing. Oh
> well, live and learn. I have grown to appreciate plants for their natural
> form and am a lot less likely to prune solely for aesthetic reasons.
>
> I have often gone to your website for information. I really appreciate it.
> Do you have any "long shots" of your garden? All I recall seeing are
> wonderful close-ups and always which that I could get an idea of what your
> garden looks like. It must be wonderful.

There are long shots scattered through the website, here are a few:

snow-covered cedar in back yard:
http://www.paghat.com/libani.html

Alaska cedar at other end of back yard:
http://www.paghat.com/alaskacedar.html

Same back yard path from opposite direction, between Alaska Cedar &
abutilon, third photo down:
http://www.paghat.com/abutilon.html

View from deck into back yard:
http://www.paghat.com/vinemaple.html

Second photo down, paperbark maple in front yard, autumn colors:
http://www.paghat.com/autumntrees3.html

Photo last on page, Japanese maple viewed from sidewalk, autumn colors:
http://www.paghat.com/autumntrees1.html

That same chokecherry viewed in winter covered with snow, viewed from
inside the tree-enclosed front yard:
http://www.paghat.com/snowyday.html

Another view of that Japanese maple from sidewalk, together with an
enormous chokecherry in full bloom:
http://www.paghat.com/chokecherry.html

Third photo down, another Japanese maple, side of house, autumn:
http://www.paghat.com/autumntrees1a.html

Path with 'Hino Crimson' & muscaris in full bloom, 'Lee's Best Purple'
rhody around the corner captured at corner of photo:
http://www.paghat.com/images/hinopath_ap.jpg

Same path from opposite direction & around the corner by the 'Lee's Best':
http://www.paghat.com/images/pathpicnicarea_may.jpg

Another view of the picnic area (lawn) by path by 'Lee's Best' seen from
sidewalk, somewhat "framed" by the two Japanese maples red left, purple
right:
http://www.paghat.com/images/picnicspot.jpg

Path through shade corridor, lots of blooms:
pathshadecorridor_may.jpg

A scruffy path at corner of back yard, passing deciduous azalea not in bloom:
http://www.paghat.com/images/path_august.jpg

Lion's head maple near back door, second-to-last photo:
http://www.paghat.com/autumntrees2.html

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
Visit the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com

[dr-solo@wi.rr.xx.com]

actually... animals dont get used to it. raccoons for instance will make it their
duty to topple the thing if they can. problem with water cannons is they cant be
used in winter.

opuntia is hardy under the snow. Ingrid


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[dr-solo@wi.rr.xx.com]

I did too, until the first movie came out and I went to see it. pricked my curiosity
so I got a book, then all the books. the books are infinitely better. Ingrid

Robert Chambers > wrote:
>I resisted the Harry Potter movies for as long as I could but my 8 and 5
>year old are more persistent than I am stubborn. Turns out I enjoyed
>them after all - who'd a thunk it?
>
>Robert


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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Vox Humana]

"paghat" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, "Vox Humana"
> > wrote:
>
> > "paghat" > wrote in message
>

> > Do you have any "long shots" of your garden?

>
> There are long shots scattered through the website, here are a few:
>

You have some great fall color! I hadn't seen the lion's head maple before.
It was stunning.

[Cheryl Isaak]

Agreed, but still a decent showing of movies; especially when compared to
most of the cr*p out there!
Cheryl

On 12/3/04 8:59 AM, in article ,
" > wrote:

> I did too, until the first movie came out and I went to see it. pricked my
> curiosity
> so I got a book, then all the books. the books are infinitely better. Ingrid
>
> Robert Chambers > wrote:
>> I resisted the Harry Potter movies for as long as I could but my 8 and 5
>> year old are more persistent than I am stubborn. Turns out I enjoyed
>> them after all - who'd a thunk it?
>>
>> Robert
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Joe Stead]

I noticed that dogs hate walking on metal grates. Also, they dislike anything
small sticking up -- even a lot of buried popsicle sticks could deter them.



>The message >
>from "Vox Humana" > contains these words:
>
>> I have been toying with the idea of planting some roses, probably rugosa
>> roses, to discourage kids from riding their bikes across my yard. There's
>> nothing quite as nasty as falling into a rose bush!
>
> Oh, there is. Even nastier, is a concealed plank full of long nails,
>carelessly left lying around by the property owner after he was using it
>to clear autumn leaves. Extensive tyre damage really upsets bikers and
>uninvited carparkers.
>
>