I thought i`d introduce myself and be sociable :)
I`ve been looking for a gardening forum and finally came across a good one that has a uk bit.
I`m located in lincs and have recently set about building a greenhouse so i`ll have something to potter about in and experiment with now i`m getting older.
The weather has slowed progress down but it`s getting there.
I have lots of ideas that are "out of the ordinary" and hope to use at least some of them to get year round use of the greenhouse to grow organic produce.

Regards to all
Geo

"Janet Baraclough" > wrote in message
...
> The message >
> from Geo > contains these words:
>
>
> > I thought i`d introduce myself and be sociable :)
> > I`ve been looking for a gardening forum and finally came across a good
> > one that has a uk bit.
> > I`m located in lincs and have recently set about building a greenhouse
> > so i`ll have something to potter about in and experiment with now i`m
> > getting older.
>
> It's a pity Gordon Brown didn't think of that...a free solar powered
> greenhouse for every pensioner would save cold-weather payments, they
> could make an income selling fresh produce and save their pensions
> towards inheritance tax, and would hardly have time for joyriding up and
> down the local high street on their buspasses.
>
> > The weather has slowed progress down but it`s getting there.
> > I have lots of ideas that are "out of the ordinary" and hope to use at
> > least some of them to get year round use of the greenhouse to grow
> > organic produce.
>
> You've come to the right place
>
> Just one thing..what you've stumbled on is not a forum. This is a
> usenet newsgroup.You're away in a website, looking in on a completely
> independent part of the internet called usenet, at a newsgroup called
> uk.rec.gardening, (urg) which that crappy website dishonestly pretends
> is part of itself. It also doesn't give you proper control over reading
> and replying. If you really want to read urg online, you'll find
> www.groups/google provides (free) a better service , the best
> archive-search facility, and all the newsgroups you ever wanted. But the
> slickest and most flexible way to enjoy usenet groups, is with a
> newsreader, which is what most of us are using. There are plenty of free
> ones...mine comes free from my isp zetnet.
>
> Once you've got a newsreader, you can access a zillion more free
> groups like this on every topic under the sun...another thing that
> gardenbanter didn't want you to know about.
>
> Janet.
>
>

Having been lectured to, by one of the not too cheerful or ever laughing net
nannies and 'owners' of the uk.rec.gardening newsgroup, welcome :-))

Mike
who has a cat crap free garden :-))

Mike wrote:

> "Janet Baraclough" > wrote in message
> ...
>> The message >
>> from Geo > contains these words:
>>
>>
>> > I thought i`d introduce myself and be sociable :)
>> > I`ve been looking for a gardening forum and finally came across a good
>> > one that has a uk bit.
>> > I`m located in lincs and have recently set about building a greenhouse
>> > so i`ll have something to potter about in and experiment with now i`m
>> > getting older.
>>
>> It's a pity Gordon Brown didn't think of that...a free solar powered
>> greenhouse for every pensioner would save cold-weather payments, they
>> could make an income selling fresh produce and save their pensions
>> towards inheritance tax, and would hardly have time for joyriding up and
>> down the local high street on their buspasses.
>>
>> > The weather has slowed progress down but it`s getting there.
>> > I have lots of ideas that are "out of the ordinary" and hope to use at
>> > least some of them to get year round use of the greenhouse to grow
>> > organic produce.
>>
>> You've come to the right place
>>
>> Just one thing..what you've stumbled on is not a forum. This is a
>> usenet newsgroup.You're away in a website, looking in on a completely
>> independent part of the internet called usenet, at a newsgroup called
>> uk.rec.gardening, (urg) which that crappy website dishonestly pretends
>> is part of itself. It also doesn't give you proper control over reading
>> and replying. If you really want to read urg online, you'll find
>> www.groups/google provides (free) a better service , the best
>> archive-search facility, and all the newsgroups you ever wanted. But the
>> slickest and most flexible way to enjoy usenet groups, is with a
>> newsreader, which is what most of us are using. There are plenty of free
>> ones...mine comes free from my isp zetnet.
>>
>> Once you've got a newsreader, you can access a zillion more free
>> groups like this on every topic under the sun...another thing that
>> gardenbanter didn't want you to know about.
>>
>> Janet.
>>
>>
>
> Having been lectured to, by one of the not too cheerful or ever laughing
> net nannies and 'owners' of the uk.rec.gardening newsgroup, welcome :-))
>
> Mike
> who has a cat crap free garden :-))

Although there's quite a lot spilling down his chin.

Mike wrote:

>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Having been lectured to, by one of the not too cheerful or ever
>> > laughing net nannies and 'owners' of the uk.rec.gardening newsgroup,
>> > welcome :-))
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > who has a cat crap free garden :-))
>>
>> Although there's quite a lot spilling down his chin.
>>
>
>
> Don't give up the day job, you will never make it as a comedian
>

How do you know? I haven't told any jokes yet.

> >>
> >>
> >
> > Having been lectured to, by one of the not too cheerful or ever laughing
> > net nannies and 'owners' of the uk.rec.gardening newsgroup, welcome :-))
> >
> > Mike
> > who has a cat crap free garden :-))
>
> Although there's quite a lot spilling down his chin.
>


Don't give up the day job, you will never make it as a comedian

Mike


--
H.M.S.Collingwood Ass. Llandudno 20 - 23 May Trip to Portmeirion
National Service (RAF) Ass. Cosford 24 - 27 June Spitfire Fly Past
H.M.S.Impregnable Ass. Sussex 1 - 4 July Visit to Int. Fest of the Sea
RAF Regiment Assoc. Scarborough 2 - 5 Sept. Visit to Eden Camp

wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:33:02 +0000, bigboard
> > wrote:
>
>>Mike wrote:
>
>>> Mike
>>> who has a cat crap free garden :-))
>>
>>Although there's quite a lot spilling down his chin.
>
> Drool?

Crap. ;)

In article >, Geo
rdenbanter.co.uk> writes
>
>I thought i`d introduce myself and be sociable :)
>I`ve been looking for a gardening forum and finally came across a good
>one that has a uk bit.
>I`m located in lincs and have recently set about building a greenhouse
>so i`ll have something to potter about in and experiment with now i`m
>getting older.
>The weather has slowed progress down but it`s getting there.
>I have lots of ideas that are "out of the ordinary" and hope to use at
>least some of them to get year round use of the greenhouse to grow
>organic produce.
>
Welcome to urg Geo.
Ignore any noises off, they are part of the entertainment here.
Feel free to ask any questions, or begin any discussions you wish,
preferably on the group topic of UK rec. gardening.

We too grow organic produce in Lincs. and we too have recently completed
a greenhouse renovation in time for this year's planting.
--
Alan & Joan Gould - North Lincs.

In article >, Mike >
writes
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Having been lectured to, by one of the not too cheerful or ever laughing
>> > net nannies and 'owners' of the uk.rec.gardening newsgroup, welcome :-))
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > who has a cat crap free garden :-))
>>
>> Although there's quite a lot spilling down his chin.
>>
>
>
>Don't give up the day job, you will never make it as a comedian
>
>Mike
Oh I don't know, probably most of us found it funny, lets face it mike
you do talk crap most of the time

--
David

"Geo" > wrote in message
...
>
> I thought i`d introduce myself and be sociable :)
> I`ve been looking for a gardening forum and finally came across a good
> one that has a uk bit.
> I`m located in lincs and have recently set about building a greenhouse
> so i`ll have something to potter about in and experiment with now i`m
> getting older.
> The weather has slowed progress down but it`s getting there.
> I have lots of ideas that are "out of the ordinary" and hope to use at
> least some of them to get year round use of the greenhouse to grow
> organic produce.
> > Regards to all
> Geo

Welcome to URG (uk.rec.gardening) Geo

Janet's comments are worth taking on board, but ignore the flack that seems to
be going on ATM. This happens from time to time, but usually dies away as the
trolls get bored :~)

Getting a GH is a great idea. Will you be growing anything else apart from
vegetables?

Jenny

In article >, Janet Baraclough
> writes
>The message >
>from Geo > contains these words:
>
>
>> I thought i`d introduce myself and be sociable :)
>> I`ve been looking for a gardening forum and finally came across a good
>> one that has a uk bit.
>> I`m located in lincs and have recently set about building a greenhouse
>> so i`ll have something to potter about in and experiment with now i`m
>> getting older.
>
> It's a pity Gordon Brown didn't think of that...a free solar powered
>greenhouse for every pensioner would save cold-weather payments



Ah but Geo from gardenbanter might be 21 and meaning that he was getting
old enough to be allowed to do things in the garden on his own :)
Not sure a greenhouse for every 21 yr old would be ideal, the sate of
most teenagers bedroom would make me worry about the sight fro outside
the greenhouse if the said teenagers were allowed to occupy it!
--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

> Not sure a greenhouse for every 21 yr old would be ideal, the sate of
> most teenagers bedroom would make me worry about the sight fro outside
> the greenhouse if the said teenagers were allowed to occupy it!
> --

Wall posters of Football, Tennis, Pop etc stars would soon solve that
problem to them ;-((

(Blue tack not staple guns to fix) ;-)

"Geo" > wrote in message
...
>
> I thought i`d introduce myself and be sociable :)
> I`ve been looking for a gardening forum and finally came across a good
> one that has a uk bit.
> I`m located in lincs and have recently set about building a greenhouse
> so i`ll have something to potter about in and experiment with now i`m
> getting older.
> The weather has slowed progress down but it`s getting there.
> I have lots of ideas that are "out of the ordinary" and hope to use at
> least some of them to get year round use of the greenhouse to grow
> organic produce.
>
> Regards to all
> Geo

Hi Geo and welcome. You will find this newsgroup an excellent source of
information, advice and friendly banter!

regards,

David

Thanks for the warm welcome everyone.
This is my first experience of usenet so its a bit strange but I`ve had dealings with trolls before ;)

What am i going to grow? well anything that will grow in the conditions i guess. That will be an ongoing experiment through all seasons.

Am i 21? i wish! :D
you can double that figure at least.
My football poster days are well and truly over i think.

The greenhouse is a geodesic dome, 14ft in diameter and has about 140 sq ft floor area, a very strong and energy efficient shape.

It`s not finished yet due to the weather and family stuff but hopefully i`ll have it done before the decent weather arrives..i`m not in any great rush.

I plan to use 2/5 of it as a fish room (seperated and well insulated) with 1000 gals of water (mostly rainwater) to house my catfish.
The greenhouse part will be the 3/5 facing south with just over 160 sq ft of glazing.
The fish will provide the organic nutrients and irrigation for the greenhouse side.The plants will take out the nitrates and clean the water for the fish.

Technically it`s called aquaponic but mother nature would call it growing in gravel next to a heavily stocked river :)

A bonus of the water is it provides thermal mass which reduces summer temperature swings and should save some heating costs in winter.

So thats the plan, a bit unusual granted.. but it will be fun to see what happens.

Regards Geo

"Geo" wrote in message
...

I thought i`d introduce myself and be sociable :)
I`ve been looking for a gardening forum and finally came across a good
one that has a uk bit.
I`m located in lincs and have recently set about building a greenhouse
so i`ll have something to potter about in and experiment with now i`m
getting older.
The weather has slowed progress down but it`s getting there.
I have lots of ideas that are "out of the ordinary" and hope to use at
least some of them to get year round use of the greenhouse to grow
organic produce.

Regards to all
Geo

Hi Geo and welcome. You will find this newsgroup an excellent source of
information, advice and friendly banter!

regards,

David

"Geo" > wrote in message
...
> snipped<

> > Am i 21? i wish! :D
> you can double that figure at least.

I have the feeling that you will fit wll into the average age here Geo :~))

> The greenhouse is a geodesic dome, 14ft in diameter and has about 140
> sq ft floor area, a very strong and energy efficient shape.

Ohhhhhh - pictures I wanna see pictures.
Sounds like something I would love.
My GH is a lean to on the roof garden :
www.ljconline.nl

> Technically it`s called aquaponic but mother nature would call it
> growing in gravel next to a heavily stocked river :)

I'll be looking that up later........

> So thats the plan, a bit unusual granted.. but it will be fun to see
> what happens.

Do keep us posted.
Jenny

Hi Jenny,
Your highrise greenhouse is great and being a little closer to the sun is no bad thing :)
I`ve posted a picture of the greenhouse during construction so you`ll have an idea what it may look like once i get it finished.

http://usera.imagecave.com/Geo/Greenhouse/domegreenhouse.jpg

As for the aquaponics, i have a little experiment going on with some chillies to test the theory out and so far its looking good but i`m running out of space rapidly.
All they have to grow in is fishwater and they have been in that since they germinated.
They were pretty tiny as you can see from the pics:
http://usera.imagecave.com/Geo/Greenhouse/aquachillies10thfeb.jpg

The big picture was taken on 16th march and the tallest are about 13"
http://usera.imagecave.com/Geo/Greenhouse/aquachillies.jpg

The droopy leaves are due to the cold night temperature i think, as they pick up in the day when it gets warmer.
This is my first attempt at growing chillies by any method so i`m not sure what they need but they seem to be doing fine so far :)

Geo


"Geo" wrote in message
...
snipped

Am i 21? i wish! :D
you can double that figure at least.

I have the feeling that you will fit wll into the average age here Geo :~))

The greenhouse is a geodesic dome, 14ft in diameter and has about 140
sq ft floor area, a very strong and energy efficient shape.

Ohhhhhh - pictures I wanna see pictures.
Sounds like something I would love.
My GH is a lean to on the roof garden :
www.ljconline.nl

Technically it`s called aquaponic but mother nature would call it
growing in gravel next to a heavily stocked river :)

I'll be looking that up later........

So thats the plan, a bit unusual granted.. but it will be fun to see
what happens.

Do keep us posted.
Jenny

"Geo" > wrote in message
...
>
> Hi Jenny,
> Your highrise greenhouse is great and being a little closer to the sun
> is no bad thing :)
> I`ve posted a picture of the greenhouse during construction so you`ll
> have an idea what it may look like once i get it finished.
> > http://tinyurl.com/3td9h

WOW - shades of the Eden project :~)

> As for the aquaponics, i have a little experiment going on with some
> chillies to test the theory out and so far its looking good but i`m
> running out of space rapidly.
> All they have to grow in is fishwater and they have been in that since
> they germinated.
> They were pretty tiny as you can see from the pics:
> http://tinyurl.com/5lpyj
> > The big picture was taken on 16th march and the tallest are about 13"
> http://tinyurl.com/4pj5z>
> The droopy leaves are due to the cold night temperature i think, as
> they pick up in the day when it gets warmer.
> This is my first attempt at growing chillies by any method so i`m not
> sure what they need but they seem to be doing fine so far :)
> > Geo

Interesting concept. I know about hydroponics but had not heard about
aquaponics.
It seems like you might need lots of fish to produce enough waste matter to feed
the plants.
What's the fish per cubic metre water ratio ?

Jenny

Hi Jenny,
Hydroponics is the same except for the nutrients.
With aquaponics you just need to feed the fish and top up the water levels.

With normal hydroponics you have to mix the nutrients and change the solution every few weeks, so you have to pour the water somewhere.

I prefer the feeding the fish and topping up the water option plus its organic :)

The fish to water ratio is about 1.6" of fish to 4.5 ltrs of water.
I will probably have a lot more in the actual greenhouse system.
All the fish are quite large from 200mm to 350mm.

The experiment uses 20 ltrs in a tub with 5 chilli plants to test how much nitrate is used in a week, so far the it`s hardly measurable.

I took some new pics yesterday to keep the album updated:
http://usera.imagecave.com/Geo/Greenhouse/

The plants are deep green (except where the camera flash is) and have begun to show flower stems (like pods?)

I`ve not grown chillies before so i`ve little idea what to expect :)

Geo


Interesting concept. I know about hydroponics but had not heard about
aquaponics.
It seems like you might need lots of fish to produce enough waste matter to feed
the plants.
What's the fish per cubic metre water ratio ?

Jenny

In article >, Alan Gould
> writes

>UK rec. gardening.
>
>We too grow organic produce in Lincs. and we too have recently completed
>a greenhouse renovation in time for this year's planting.


Alan how did you renovate the staging?

Janet
--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

In article >, Janet Tweedy
> writes
>
>Alan how did you renovate the staging?
>
This particular greenhouse is 'Dutch' type, i.e. sloping sides and has
no staging, but we have self built staging along two sides of an upright
sided 30ft. x 30ft. greenhouse and along one side our 15ft. x 30ft.
polytunnel. I construct a frame using reclaimed timber and angle iron,
then top it with panels of whatever suitable material is available. The
height is usually about table height and the depth about 2'6".

Up to that point the job has cost almost nothing, but then we put on a
fairly strong black polythene sheet and cover that with capillary
matting. We prefer to use new material for that. With that system of
watering, the staging needs to be accurately level, or the watering will
be uneven. We usually replace the capillary after 3 or 4 years.


The renovated greenhouse is also 15ft. x 30ft. originally built we guess
about forty years ago. It was of standard sized 5ft. x 30in. greenhouse
glass panels, but all the glass had long gone and the skeleton stood
derelict for the last ten years. The main framework was badly
deteriorated, but it was held with strong metal brackets, so I was able
to restructure it, using mainly 2x2 timber. The panels had distorted
with time, so we replaced the glass with a UVI/EVA polythene sheet, at a
quarter of the cost of glass. We were lucky enough to find a still day
in March on which to get the 20ft. x 30ft. sheet over the main frame.

I took out the whole weed infested floor to a depth of 30ins., made a
compost heap of that, then replaced the floor with new own made organic
compost. The work began at Easter last year, I handed it over to Joan on
Mothering Sunday and only yesterday she planted our first crop in it -
seedlings of oriental salad leaves. The total cost of the renovation was
about £200 in all, but what would be the price of a new one of that size
including compost? We are very chuffed with it!
--
Alan & Joan Gould - North Lincs.

Geo > writes
>
Thanks for the warm welcome everyone.
>This is my first experience of usenet so its a bit strange but I`ve had

>dealings
>with trolls before ;)
Very good. Can you bottom post please?
>
>What am i going to grow? well anything that will grow in the conditions
i
>guess.
>That will be an ongoing experiment through all seasons.
>
>Am i 21? i wish! :D
>you can double that figure at least.
>My football poster days are well and truly over i think.
>
>The greenhouse is a geodesic dome, 14ft in diameter and has about 140
sq ft
>floor area, a very strong and energy efficient shape.
>
>It`s not finished yet due to the weather and family stuff but hopefully
i`ll
>have it done before the decent weather arrives..i`m not in any
great rush.
>
>I plan to use 2/5 of it as a fish room (seperated and well insulated)
with 1000
>gals of water (mostly rainwater) to house my catfish.
>The greenhouse part will be the 3/5 facing south with just over 160 sq
ft of
>glazing.
>The fish will provide the organic nutrients and irrigation for the
greenhouse
>side.The plants will take out the nitrates and clean the
water for the fish.
>
>Technically it`s called aquaponic but mother nature would call it
growing in
>gravel next to a heavily stocked river :)
>
>A bonus of the water is it provides thermal mass which reduces summer

>temperature swings and should save some heating costs in winter.
>
>So thats the plan, a bit unusual granted.. but it will be fun to see
what
>happens.
>
Sounds really interesting and the sort of thing the Eden project should
be doing on a larger scale. I do like the mutual balance idea :-)

Did you know Kew had problems in the winter recently when they had
drained the large lily pond - only later did they find out the water had
been a major element of stabilising the temperature at night. Replaced
water in pond - no more problems!
--
David

Alan Gould > writes
>In article >, Janet Tweedy
> writes
>>
>>Alan how did you renovate the staging?
>>
>This particular greenhouse is 'Dutch' type, i.e. sloping sides and has
>no staging, but we have self built staging along two sides of an upright
>sided 30ft. x 30ft. greenhouse and along one side our 15ft. x 30ft.
>polytunnel. I construct a frame using reclaimed timber and angle iron,
>then top it with panels of whatever suitable material is available. The
>height is usually about table height and the depth about 2'6".
>
>Up to that point the job has cost almost nothing, but then we put on a
>fairly strong black polythene sheet and cover that with capillary
>matting. We prefer to use new material for that. With that system of
>watering, the staging needs to be accurately level, or the watering will
>be uneven. We usually replace the capillary after 3 or 4 years.
>
>
>The renovated greenhouse is also 15ft. x 30ft. originally built we guess
>about forty years ago. It was of standard sized 5ft. x 30in. greenhouse
>glass panels, but all the glass had long gone and the skeleton stood
>derelict for the last ten years. The main framework was badly
>deteriorated, but it was held with strong metal brackets, so I was able
>to restructure it, using mainly 2x2 timber. The panels had distorted
>with time, so we replaced the glass with a UVI/EVA polythene sheet, at a
>quarter of the cost of glass. We were lucky enough to find a still day
>in March on which to get the 20ft. x 30ft. sheet over the main frame.
>
>I took out the whole weed infested floor to a depth of 30ins., made a
>compost heap of that, then replaced the floor with new own made organic
>compost. The work began at Easter last year, I handed it over to Joan on
>Mothering Sunday and only yesterday she planted our first crop in it -
>seedlings of oriental salad leaves. The total cost of the renovation was
>about £200 in all, but what would be the price of a new one of that size
>including compost? We are very chuffed with it!

So you should be, heavens that was some effort to set it up. Sounds a
proper job though.

--
David

Hi David,
I hadn`t seen that one reagrding Kew but i can imagine it would have a huge impact on the temperature difference (and heating costs)

I think Eden has a similar system in that they have a cliff face to the rear that stores daytime heat and radiates it back at night.
They also have enormous volumes of water that pour into the site that no doubt brings heat from surrounding land in the process.

They have a somewhat larger area than i do :)

Geo



Sounds really interesting and the sort of thing the Eden project should
be doing on a larger scale. I do like the mutual balance idea :-)

Did you know Kew had problems in the winter recently when they had
drained the large lily pond - only later did they find out the water had
been a major element of stabilising the temperature at night. Replaced
water in pond - no more problems!
--
David

In article >, Dave
> writes
>So you should be, heavens that was some effort to set it up. Sounds a
>proper job though.
>
Thanks, we are just in the process of finding out how it will all work
out in practice. I omitted to mention that the project revealed several
unexpected challenges, mostly arising from differences between poly-
tunnel and greenhouse design and operation. We have used both for many
years, but until I actually began replacing greenhouse glass with a
poly-tunnel cover, I had tended not to think too much about those.

One major difference is that greenhouses mostly have opening lights in
the roof and/or sides and one entrance door. Polytunnels do not have
lights, they allow passage of air through the ends. We have doors fitted
in the ends of our polytunnel so that it can be enclosed at cooler times
and either one or both end opened in warmer weather. The restored
greenhouse used to have one entrance door and four roof lights, so to
replace the lights, I constructed a new door at the other end.

I then laid a 30" wide brieze block walking path along the length
because it is a permanent structure, whereas polytunnels are designed to
be mobile, and mostly have an earth or grass path. That means we can
enter it or ventilate it from either end, as we do the polytunnel, and
we can work the beds from the path as we did before the restoration.

Polytunnel covers are usually pinned down at the sides with soil or
whatever, but this cover is fixed in place with lats at the sides and to
the bottom main structure rails. The cover fixings had to be such that
could be taken off when a new cover is needed - after 5 or so years.

And so on ad infinitum. Re the effort, it was never onerous because here
was a gardener working in and improving his [and her] garden, i.e. it
was a labour of love. It never took priority over other garden jobs, I
did an hour or two on it on most days, leaving myself plenty of time to
look after our two acres of mixed garden. It also enabled me to think
over snags rather than blundering on into too many difficulties.
At age 77, one has to plan to the physical resources available.
--
Alan & Joan Gould - North Lincs.

In article >, Dave
> writes
>
>Well done both of you! I'd just like to add that if I can be as fit and
>active and up-to-date with whatever the technology is in 20 years time
>then I will be more than satisfied. My dream is to be able to garden
>here for ever, I can think of no more satisfying way to spend my time
>than working with nature and plants and wildlife and in some small way
>adding to the wonderful gardens we have in this small but remarkable
>country.
>
Thank you David. Gardening is the part of our lives which gives us the
opportunity to be creative and express ourselves in any way we choose.
It also provides us the health and sense of purpose needed to do it.
We gain much pleasure from the results, even more from the time spent
achieving them. We sincerely hope that you will find similar joy.
--
Alan & Joan Gould - North Lincs.