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Surely the Government is in control of the country and its supply of
money? Surely money is only a symbolic token to facilitate the
production, exchange and distribution of goods and services? Not so,
say the Third Positionists, who reject both Capitalism and
Communism...


Usury: A Short History of Banking

In the old days there was no paper money. The accepted token of
exchange was precious metal minted into coins by the Church and the
Crown. Because there was only a limited amount of gold and silver
available, the economic life of the nation had a certain regularity.

An even greater restriction existed throughout Christendom. This was a
prohibition against usury, or charging interest. The Church held it to
be a grave sin and the code was upheld by the civil powers. There were
harsh penalties for those who broke the law.

The regulation of usury was to prevent the separation of money from
reality. Money is not a good, it is a measure. It is fraud to pretend
otherwise, and constitutes theft. Usury is making money from lending
money; it is making money from nothing. This is exactly what is
happening today on a colossal scale.

Several important things arose from the prohibition of usury in
medieval Christendom. Firstly Jews, who had taken to wandering around
Europe in the Middle Ages, began to specialize in money-lending and
other practices which were forbidden to Christians. Exploited
Christians, both peasants and aristocracy, found themselves being bled
dry by usurers, which is why there were sporadic uprisings,
imprisonments and expulsions of Jews throughout Europe. It is one
reason why King Edward I expelled them from England in 1290. (Oliver
Cromwell allowed them back when the moral authority of the Church was
undermined and the King was beheaded in 1649.)

Secondly, gold coins, jewels and other valuables were deposited with
people who held strongboxes. This was usually with goldsmiths and
money-lenders who, more often than not, were one and the same. These
loan-sharks and scriveners realized that, without much chance of being
found out, they could charge people for looking after their deposits
and then use those deposits – which did not belong to them – to make
loans to other people at interest. They soon became rich and powerful.

Gold coins are heavy and awkward to carry around so the custom arose
whereby the money-lenders would issue credit notes to depositors who
began to trade these notes between themselves in commercial
transactions. Paper money had come into existence.

A new form of usury developed as the swindling money-lenders realized
the immoral benefits that could be obtained from such a situation. It
became apparent to these thieves that they could go one step further
than dishonestly using other people’s money for financial advantage at
no cost to themselves. They could invent money from absolutely
nothing. They could issue credit notes with nothing to back them up
and put them into circulation as interest-bearing debts. No-one would
be any the wiser. They calculated that they could safely issue notes
for up to ten times more than the gold deposits they held, because the
depositors would never ask for their deposits back all at the same
time.

The principle of modern banking was thus established: invent money
from nothing, put it into circulation as "running cash notes" that
have to be paid back with real wealth that is produced from our
labour, sit back and become unbelievably wealthy and powerful men:
hidden rulers of nations.

In England this deceitful system was officially sanctioned in 1694.
The usurper of the throne, William of Orange, had overthrown the
legitimate King James II with the financial backing and plotting of
powerful Jewish financiers in Amsterdam. In return he gave the
sovereignty of England to a group of financiers by means of a Charter
allowing them to call themselves the Bank of England. The Charter made
no mention of issuing the nation’s money, but within minutes of
signing the new Bank officials were discussing the form of their
"running cash notes." The same system was adopted in every country by
a process of Masonic revolution and manipulation.

FREEMASONRY AND COMMUNISM

Socialist theorists and ideologues have never attacked the essential
mechanism of capitalism. Although the injustices of the capitalist
system have been attacked in volume after volume, and rightly so, they
have never even hinted at the usury upon which the whole system is
built and from which all the other injustices stem.

Perhaps this is because so many Communist leaders are Jewish. Most of
the ‘Russian Revolutionists’ of 1917 were actually Jews from the lower
east side of New York City. Two hundred and seventy-five of them were
conveyed to Russia aboard the S.S. Christiana, led by Trotsky and
financed by Kuhns, Loebs, Schiffs and Warburgs. This cosy circle of
Jews and Freemasons financed both sides of the Great War.

Marx and Engels, two more Jews, wrote the Communist Manifesto on
behalf of a secret society calling themselves ‘The League of Just
Men.’ This secret society was an arm of the Illuminati, whose power
and influence was the catalyst of the French Revolution. One of the
founding members of the Illuminati was the House of Rothschild, the
Jewish banking house which practically invented supra-nationalism for
personal profit.

THE SITUATION TODAY

Nowadays banking has become extremely sophisticated but the hidden and
usurious mechanism behind it remains the same. After a big enquiry,
hushed up as much as possible, the Bank of England was nationalised in
1946. In theory control of the Bank of England should then have passed
from a group of private individuals to the British Government, but
this is still not the case. Nationalisation only added a thin veneer
of respectability.

The British Treasury, in conjunction with the Bank of England’s
advisers to the Government, determine how much paper money and coin
will be issued each year. This has to accord with the wealth of the
nation for that year. But because banknotes and coins only account for
a tiny percentage of financial transactions, it makes no difference to
the bankers at all. Most financial transactions are carried out with
abstract figures on a computer screen that have no relationship to
real wealth. Everything has to be paid for at interest though – even
when it doesn’t exist!

The Government still has to pay interest on old and new loans from the
Bank. Only a few years ago it was announced that the interest debt on
a loan taken during the Napoleonic War had just been paid off! This is
where much of our tax money goes.

THE NEXT STAGE

The next stage of development for international finance is to get rid
of cash altogether. Then the token accountability of the bankers will
disappear along with the cash. Their intention is that everyone will
have to use credit/debit cards for every type of commercial
transaction.

Electronic technology, when used this way, and when it is not merely
widespread but compulsory, will give them complete control of every
man, woman and child in the world. If you cannot buy or sell – food,
petrol, clothes – without a card you are completely at their mercy. If
you lose the card or it doesn’t work for some reason you will suffer
until issued with a replacement. If you make a protest against some
particular injustice they could invalidate your card. The next time
you go to the supermarket your card may not work. You won’t officially
exist!

Who benefits from such a scheme? The politicians or the bankers? To
ask the question is to answer it. The Bank of England is the real, but
hidden, government of the country. The Government and the politicians
are merely puppets controlled by the Bank – or, more accurately, the
international banking families. None of our cowardly politicians dare
stand up to these hidden and unelected rulers of the world, so
powerful have they become. Two American presidents, possibly three,
were assassinated for attempting to do so. It is far easier for them
to submit to the system and enjoy a rich life than expose the real
tyrants: tyrants who cause high taxes, unemployment, war, famine and
misery for the rest of us. But these despots of the New World Order
forget that Truth is more powerful than they could ever become. And
Truth brings Justice!


The pen is mightier than the pound! This article first appeared in
issue 5 of ‘The Anvil,’ published by The Third Position, BCM ITP,
London, WC1N 3XX.


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Divided by Diversity ☺☻☺ wrote:
Surely the Government is in control of the country and its supply of
money? Surely money is only a symbolic token to facilitate the
production, exchange and distribution of goods and services? Not so,
say the Third Positionists, who reject both Capitalism and
Communism...



Jonno is that you again? What have you been smoking this time?

David

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Old 24-01-2010, 01:51 PM posted to aus.gardens
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Stop being paranoic.
Youre an idiot.
Deal with it!
This is me.
The chap who wrote this is probably right.
I havent read it yet.



On 24/01/2010 11:15 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
Divided by Diversity ☺☻☺ wrote:
Surely the Government is in control of the country and its supply of
money? Surely money is only a symbolic token to facilitate the
production, exchange and distribution of goods and services? Not so,
say the Third Positionists, who reject both Capitalism and
Communism...



Jonno is that you again? What have you been smoking this time?

David


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Old 24-01-2010, 01:56 PM posted to aus.gardens
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Probably an islamic extremist who by your attitude youre letting into
the country.
Halal Vegemite yet!
I dont think youre capable of keeping up with the times!
Drongo, I think they said in the fifties.
Thats how old I am. How old are you?

On 24/01/2010 11:15 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
Divided by Diversity ☺☻☺ wrote:
Surely the Government is in control of the country and its supply of
money? Surely money is only a symbolic token to facilitate the
production, exchange and distribution of goods and services? Not so,
say the Third Positionists, who reject both Capitalism and
Communism...



Jonno is that you again? What have you been smoking this time?

David


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Old 24-01-2010, 02:04 PM posted to aus.gardens
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Nope. It isnt, but youre geting a bit paranoic.
Thats the sign of smoking isnt it?


On 24/01/2010 11:15 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
Divided by Diversity ☺☻☺ wrote:
Surely the Government is in control of the country and its supply of
money? Surely money is only a symbolic token to facilitate the
production, exchange and distribution of goods and services? Not so,
say the Third Positionists, who reject both Capitalism and
Communism...



Jonno is that you again? What have you been smoking this time?

David


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No it inst me, though this is, , and I certainly dont smoke.
That for idiots. I try to look after my health.
The world does appear to reflect what this guys saying.
Haven't you read the Da Vinci Code? See Link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Da_...ode_%28film%29
To be sure, I have a great CD on radical thoughts, but I look beyond those.
Being government employed, I reckon you cant see this!
I reckon people on a whole are OK.
You appear to be little bit on the wobbly side of sane.
Only your ideas count?
I am still on the level, but feel degraded due to your superior skills
at ridiculing what most notmal people see.
Even Abbott is using climate change to political advantage. He's wrong too!
Be very careful on your interpretations. You may just loosen the screws
that ruin the Planet.



On 24/01/2010 11:15 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
Divided by Diversity ☺☻☺ wrote:
Surely the Government is in control of the country and its supply of
money? Surely money is only a symbolic token to facilitate the
production, exchange and distribution of goods and services? Not so,
say the Third Positionists, who reject both Capitalism and
Communism...



Jonno is that you again? What have you been smoking this time?

David


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No it isn't me, though this is, , and I certainly don't smoke.
That for idiots. I try to look after my health.
The world does appear to reflect what this guys saying.
Haven't you read the Da Vinci Code? See Link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Da_...ode_%28film%29
To be sure, I have a great CD on radical thoughts, but I look beyond those.
Being government employed, I reckon you cant see this!
I reckon people on a whole are OK.
You appear to be little bit on the wobbly side of sane.
Only your ideas count?
I am still on the level, but feel degraded due to your superior skills
at ridiculing what most normal people see.
Even Abbott is using climate change to political advantage. He's wrong
too! Or putting his own interpretation on it for political advantage.
Be very careful on your interpretations of things. You may just loosen
the screws that ruin the Planet.
Try a little bit of loctite.




On 24/01/2010 11:15 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
Divided by Diversity ☺☻☺ wrote:
Surely the Government is in control of the country and its supply of
money? Surely money is only a symbolic token to facilitate the
production, exchange and distribution of goods and services? Not so,
say the Third Positionists, who reject both Capitalism and
Communism...



Jonno is that you again? What have you been smoking this time?

David


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*Not being a lover of banks, I see some sympathy with the writings of
this chap.
There appears to be some smoke and mirrors with banks doesn't there?
I wish I could join the club!
But no, I didnt write this.
As I wrote previously, being an ass, you assume too mucn and make an ass
out of you and me!
You may want to read this fable by Aesop.
http://tinyurl.com/weather-or-not*
Its much more realistic that your world.


On 24/01/2010 11:15 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
Divided by Diversity ☺☻☺ wrote:
Surely the Government is in control of the country and its supply of
money? Surely money is only a symbolic token to facilitate the
production, exchange and distribution of goods and services? Not so,
say the Third Positionists, who reject both Capitalism and
Communism...



Jonno is that you again? What have you been smoking this time?

David


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No it wasnt me. I would tell you.....I dont smoke. You pernicous David...
The history sounds right. But the facts may have changed...
DHS Acronym for Dickheads should delve into history a bit more.


This is my contribution. A fun read....

Concerned Australians

THE FIFTY DOLLAR NOTE

by Dennis Collins

A travelling salesman booked a room at a hotel in a little country

town, paid with a $50 note on which was some purple texta scribble,

and went off on his business


The Hotelier, things being quiet took the $50 note to the butcher and paid

off a meat bill. The butcher took the $50 note to the grocer and reduced

his debt to the grocer by that amount. The grocer took the $50 note to the

boot mender and paid for shoe repairs for himself and his family. The boot

repairer took the $50 note to the Hotelier to pay for some beer he had on

credit.

Just then the travelling salesman came in saying he couldn't stay the

night and could he have his $50 back. He is given the same texta marked

$50 note he originally gave the hotelier, and is told the story of the

series of debts which had been paid by that particular note. The salesman

smiled and said "Isn't that remarkable, and even more so because the note

is a forgery."

This forged note had in effect allowed conveniently:

The Hotelier to barter beer for meat.



The Butcher to barter meat for groceries.



The Grocer to barter groceries for shoe repairs.



The Bootmaker to barter shoe repair service for beer.

The forged $50 note simply acted as a common medium of exchange that made

the transactions simple and allowed commerce (the exchange of goods and

services) to flow easily.

The same thing could have been done with a cash

cheque even if the cheque was written against no funds just as long as

nobody banked it.

Money ought to be like the forged $50 note in the story - a servant. The

problem with our current money system relates to:

Who is creating our money

How they put it into circulation

How they remove it from circulation.

The current money system - basically 3,000 years old, uses money to

enslave through debt, and not to serve society as it should.
Food for thought.



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No it wasnt me. I would tell you.....I don't smoke. You're pernicious
David...
The history sounds right. But the facts may have changed...
DHS Acronym for Dickhead you should delve into history a bit more.
Its got most of the facts I know about this about right.
But who can say history isn't made up? This guy may be right...


This is my contribution. A fun read....

Concerned Australians

THE FIFTY DOLLAR NOTE

by Dennis Collins

A travelling salesman booked a room at a hotel in a little country

town, paid with a $50 note on which was some purple texta scribble,

and went off on his business


The Hotelier, things being quiet took the $50 note to the butcher and paid

off a meat bill. The butcher took the $50 note to the grocer and reduced

his debt to the grocer by that amount. The grocer took the $50 note to the

boot mender and paid for shoe repairs for himself and his family. The boot

repairer took the $50 note to the Hotelier to pay for some beer he had on

credit.

Just then the travelling salesman came in saying he couldn't stay the

night and could he have his $50 back. He is given the same texta marked

$50 note he originally gave the hotelier, and is told the story of the

series of debts which had been paid by that particular note. The salesman

smiled and said "Isn't that remarkable, and even more so because the note

is a forgery."

This forged note had in effect allowed conveniently:

The Hotelier to barter beer for meat.



The Butcher to barter meat for groceries.



The Grocer to barter groceries for shoe repairs.



The Bootmaker to barter shoe repair service for beer.

The forged $50 note simply acted as a common medium of exchange that made

the transactions simple and allowed commerce (the exchange of goods and

services) to flow easily.

The same thing could have been done with a cash

cheque even if the cheque was written against no funds just as long as

nobody banked it.

Money ought to be like the forged $50 note in the story - a servant. The

problem with our current money system relates to:

Who is creating our money

How they put it into circulation

How they remove it from circulation.

The current money system - basically 3,000 years old, uses money to

enslave through debt, and not to serve society as it should.
Food for thought.





On 24/01/2010 11:15 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
Divided by Diversity ☺☻☺ wrote:
Surely the Government is in control of the country and its supply of
money? Surely money is only a symbolic token to facilitate the
production, exchange and distribution of goods and services? Not so,
say the Third Positionists, who reject both Capitalism and
Communism...



Jonno is that you again? What have you been smoking this time?

David


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