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Is cat poo harmful to vegatable/human health?
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I'm pretty new to gardening and would like some advice. I having trouble with a cat using my vegatable patch to do his buisness. I would like to know if this may be harmful if I am growing vegitables to eat. Normally I pick them all up, but I went away on Holiday and returned to find a phenominal amount in the garden. I started to pick it all up but it started raining heavily. Now I have found it has all disappeared - dissolved into the soil. Before I get any advice on how to stop the Cat I have already tried: Lion poo, tea bags soaked in Olbas oil, pepper, ultra sonic cat scarers, making friends with the cat and feeding him, orange peel, CDs stuck into the ground and making access difficult. My plan was now to install an outside tap and fit a motion sensor with water gun. |
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Is cat poo harmful to vegatable/human health?
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Erik Johnson wrote: Hi, I'm pretty new to gardening and would like some advice. I having trouble with a cat using my vegatable patch to do his buisness. I would like to know if this may be harmful if I am growing vegitables to eat. Normally I pick them all up, but I went away on Holiday and returned to find a phenominal amount in the garden. I started to pick it all up but it started raining heavily. Now I have found it has all disappeared - dissolved into the soil. Before I get any advice on how to stop the Cat I have already tried: Lion poo, tea bags soaked in Olbas oil, pepper, ultra sonic cat scarers, making friends with the cat and feeding him, orange peel, CDs stuck into the ground and making access difficult. My plan was now to install an outside tap and fit a motion sensor with water gun. I think you just found the answer. Just remember to turn it off, when you go into the garden. -- Billy Impeach Pelosi, Bush & Cheney to the Hague http://angryarab.blogspot.com/ http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/ |
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Is cat poo harmful to vegatable/human health?
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, Billy wrote: In article , Erik Johnson wrote: Hi, I'm pretty new to gardening and would like some advice. I having trouble with a cat using my vegatable patch to do his buisness. I would like to know if this may be harmful if I am growing vegitables to eat. Normally I pick them all up, but I went away on Holiday and returned to find a phenominal amount in the garden. I started to pick it all up but it started raining heavily. Now I have found it has all disappeared - dissolved into the soil. Before I get any advice on how to stop the Cat I have already tried: Lion poo, tea bags soaked in Olbas oil, pepper, ultra sonic cat scarers, making friends with the cat and feeding him, orange peel, CDs stuck into the ground and making access difficult. My plan was now to install an outside tap and fit a motion sensor with water gun. I think you just found the answer. Just remember to turn it off, when you go into the garden. I am not an expert and could be wrong about this. I do believe cat poo is harmful to humans. I think it goes like this. If the animal is a carnivore (eats meat) and has a one chamber stomach, the animal uses E-coli to break down the proteins - then yes it is bad for vegetable gardening. The biblical sense - an unclean animal - humans included Animals that are herbivores that just eats plants, chew the cud, like cows, have a multi-chamber stomach and does not use E-coli for digestion - then yes it is good for the garden. I think it need to dry out first. To keep cats out of the garden you could try the "cat-scat" mats. http://www.gardeners.com/Safe+Cat+De...efault,pd.html a fence may work as well. I would not feed the cats if they are not yours. Feeding them will just make them poo more and stay around your home longer. If your Cats, they are very good at keeping the mice away and can be trained to use a litter box. In my world it is rabbits, mice and bugs that are problems. My little yappy dog helps with the rabbits. Enjoy Life ... Dan -- Email "dan lehr at comcast dot net". Text only or goes to trash automatically. |
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On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 12:54:38 -0400, Dan L. wrote:
In article , Billy wrote: In article , Erik Johnson wrote: Hi, I'm pretty new to gardening and would like some advice. I having trouble with a cat using my vegatable patch to do his buisness. I would like to know if this may be harmful if I am growing vegitables to eat. Normally I pick them all up, but I went away on Holiday and returned to find a phenominal amount in the garden. I started to pick it all up but it started raining heavily. Now I have found it has all disappeared - dissolved into the soil. Before I get any advice on how to stop the Cat I have already tried: Lion poo, tea bags soaked in Olbas oil, pepper, ultra sonic cat scarers, making friends with the cat and feeding him, orange peel, CDs stuck into the ground and making access difficult. My plan was now to install an outside tap and fit a motion sensor with water gun. I think you just found the answer. Just remember to turn it off, when you go into the garden. I am not an expert and could be wrong about this. I do believe cat poo is harmful to humans. I think it goes like this. If the animal is a carnivore (eats meat) and has a one chamber stomach, the animal uses E-coli to break down the proteins - then yes it is bad for vegetable gardening. The biblical sense - an unclean animal - humans included Animals that are herbivores that just eats plants, chew the cud, like cows, have a multi-chamber stomach and does not use E-coli for digestion - then yes it is good for the garden. I think it need to dry out first. To keep cats out of the garden you could try the "cat-scat" mats. http://www.gardeners.com/Safe+Cat+De...efault,pd.html a fence may work as well. I would not feed the cats if they are not yours. Feeding them will just make them poo more and stay around your home longer. If your Cats, they are very good at keeping the mice away and can be trained to use a litter box. In my world it is rabbits, mice and bugs that are problems. My little yappy dog helps with the rabbits. Enjoy Life ... Dan Ruminants have e-coli in their systems also, the spinach food poisoning episode that happened last year was caused by run off from a nearby cattle ranch. |
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On Mon, 10 Mar 2008, Erik Johnson wrote:
I'm pretty new to gardening and would like some advice. I having trouble with a cat using my vegatable patch to do his buisness. I would like to know if this may be harmful if I am growing vegitables to eat. [snip] One thing that is known is that pregnant women are at increased risk for toxoplasmosis as a result of exposure to cat feces. There may be other hazards to the general public - especially if the cat happens to be sick. It's a real nuisance - I know my garden is frequently the toilet for cats all over the neighborhood. I've yet to hear of any reasonable solution -f |
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On Mar 10, 11:44�am, Frank Miles wrote:
On Mon, 10 Mar 2008, Erik Johnson wrote: I'm pretty new to gardening and would like some advice. I having trouble with a cat using my vegatable patch to do his buisness. I would like to know if this may be harmful if I am growing vegitables to eat. [snip] One thing that is known is that pregnant women are at increased risk for toxoplasmosis as a result of exposure to cat feces. �There may be other hazards to the general public - especially if the cat happens to be sick. It's a real nuisance - I know my garden is frequently the toilet for cats all over the neighborhood. �I've yet to hear of any reasonable solution � � � � -f My local coffee shop makes used grounds available for anyone to haul away. If you spread it around the garden it greatly discourages cats (they don't like the taste when they lick it off their paws). As a beneficial side-effect, it kills snails and slugs and encourages earthworms. |
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, "Dan L." wrote: I am not an expert and could be wrong about this. I do believe cat poo is harmful to humans. Correct. Toxoplasmosis. I think it goes like this. If the animal is a carnivore (eats meat) and has a one chamber stomach, the animal uses E-coli to break down the proteins - then yes it is bad for vegetable gardening. Horribly wrong. Chewing (mouth), acid bath (stomach), and bile (small intestine) mechanically and enzymaticaly break down our food. The biblical sense - an unclean animal - humans included Animals that are herbivores that just eats plants, chew the cud, like cows, have a multi-chamber stomach and does not use E-coli for digestion - then yes it is good for the garden. I think it need to dry out first. There are various strains of E coli. Some are pathogenic (O157:H7 for example) most are not. Most E coli are in the intestine because it is an ecological niche that can be exploited, but the unintended consequence is that they leave no room for pathological bacteria to establish themselves, which keep us healthy. -- Billy Impeach Pelosi, Bush & Cheney to the Hague http://angryarab.blogspot.com/ http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/ |
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, Billy wrote: In article , "Dan L." wrote: I am not an expert and could be wrong about this. I do believe cat poo is harmful to humans. Correct. Toxoplasmosis. I think it goes like this. If the animal is a carnivore (eats meat) and has a one chamber stomach, the animal uses E-coli to break down the proteins - then yes it is bad for vegetable gardening. Horribly wrong. Chewing (mouth), acid bath (stomach), and bile (small intestine) mechanically and enzymaticaly break down our food. The biblical sense - an unclean animal - humans included Animals that are herbivores that just eats plants, chew the cud, like cows, have a multi-chamber stomach and does not use E-coli for digestion - then yes it is good for the garden. I think it need to dry out first. There are various strains of E coli. Some are pathogenic (O157:H7 for example) most are not. Most E coli are in the intestine because it is an ecological niche that can be exploited, but the unintended consequence is that they leave no room for pathological bacteria to establish themselves, which keep us healthy. To Other posters: Please expand my knowledge. I agree that my view was wrong on the digestive process of animals. Billy's view makes more sense. Question #1: I always thought at least carnivore's poop was not good for use in vegetable gardens because it contains E-coli. Is this concept correct? If not, Why? Question #2: Does herbivores like cows have E-coli in their poop? I thought one did not get E-coli from cattle products. I thought E-coli came from unsanitary meet packing houses that ended up in ground meat. Steaks were not a problem, simply searing the steak would kill the E-coli on the surface area (marinading meet should be cooked thoughly). Question #3: From reading Charlie's posting, the answer to #2 seems to be yes. So does this mean that even cow manure (cow poop) should not even be used on gardens also? This seems to go against an old tradition. I do believe E-coli can be found from contaminated water and if used on vegetable gardens can be bad news also. I thought water contamination came from mostly human waste sewer run offs and not cattle wastes run offs. Please expand my knowledge of this subject. Just trying to get some basic rules on the use of animal waste fertilizers if one should use it. Dan...... -- Email "dan lehr at comcast dot net". Text only or goes to trash automatically. |
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Erik Johnson wrote:
Hi, I'm pretty new to gardening and would like some advice. I having trouble with a cat using my vegatable patch to do his buisness. I would like to know if this may be harmful if I am growing vegitables to eat. Normally I pick them all up, but I went away on Holiday and returned to find a phenominal amount in the garden. I started to pick it all up but it started raining heavily. Now I have found it has all disappeared - dissolved into the soil. Before I get any advice on how to stop the Cat I have already tried: Lion poo, tea bags soaked in Olbas oil, pepper, ultra sonic cat scarers, making friends with the cat and feeding him, orange peel, CDs stuck into the ground and making access difficult. My plan was now to install an outside tap and fit a motion sensor with water gun. I wouldn't worry about it unless you are growing root vegetables, like onions or carrots. The biggest problem I have with cats is when they dig up young plants in the flower beds. I have a couple of dog (one of them is a big dog) and this year when I do my "spring cleaning" in the back yard, I'm planning to dig a deep trench in the garden. I'll bury all the dog mess, and later plant tomatoes over the top of it. I think tomatoes will like that. Bob |
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"Dan L." wrote in message news:doesnotwork- I do believe cat poo is harmful to humans. A risk of disease tranmission at least (eg toxoplasmosis), not to menton the smell. I think it goes like this. If the animal is a carnivore (eats meat) and has a one chamber stomach, So do many herbivores. Horses and rabbits for example produce manure that is quite suitable for the garden from a one-chambered stomach. the animal uses E-coli to break down the proteins - then yes it is bad for vegetable gardening. The biblical sense - an unclean animal - humans included Animals that are herbivores that just eats plants, chew the cud, like cows, have a multi-chamber stomach and does not use E-coli for digestion - then yes it is good for the garden. I think it need to dry out first. The ruminants (cattle, sheep, goats, bufalo, alpacas etc ) have multi-chambered stomachs also have E Coli in their gut. The main issue is, are there likely to be diseases that can pass from the manure to humans, this is not limited to which strain of E Coli may be in the gut. This is the source of the generalisation about carnivore manure being unsuitable and herbivore being suitable. A secondary consideration is the smell and the minimal fibre content in carnivore manure. It isn't the shape of the digestive tract or the bible :-) David |
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, "Dan L." wrote: In article , Billy wrote: In article , "Dan L." wrote: I am not an expert and could be wrong about this. I do believe cat poo is harmful to humans. Correct. Toxoplasmosis. I think it goes like this. If the animal is a carnivore (eats meat) and has a one chamber stomach, the animal uses E-coli to break down the proteins - then yes it is bad for vegetable gardening. Horribly wrong. Chewing (mouth), acid bath (stomach), and bile (small intestine) mechanically and enzymaticaly break down our food. The biblical sense - an unclean animal - humans included Animals that are herbivores that just eats plants, chew the cud, like cows, have a multi-chamber stomach and does not use E-coli for digestion - then yes it is good for the garden. I think it need to dry out first. There are various strains of E coli. Some are pathogenic (O157:H7 for example) most are not. Most E coli are in the intestine because it is an ecological niche that can be exploited, but the unintended consequence is that they leave no room for pathological bacteria to establish themselves, which keep us healthy. To Other posters: Please expand my knowledge. I agree that my view was wrong on the digestive process of animals. Billy's view makes more sense. Question #1: I always thought at least carnivore's poop was not good for use in vegetable gardens because it contains E-coli. Is this concept correct? If not, Why? Question #2: Does herbivores like cows have E-coli in their poop? I thought one did not get E-coli from cattle products. I thought E-coli came from unsanitary meet packing houses that ended up in ground meat. Steaks were not a problem, simply searing the steak would kill the E-coli on the surface area (marinading meet should be cooked thoughly). Question #3: From reading Charlie's posting, the answer to #2 seems to be yes. So does this mean that even cow manure (cow poop) should not even be used on gardens also? This seems to go against an old tradition. I do believe E-coli can be found from contaminated water and if used on vegetable gardens can be bad news also. I thought water contamination came from mostly human waste sewer run offs and not cattle wastes run offs. Please expand my knowledge of this subject. Just trying to get some basic rules on the use of animal waste fertilizers if one should use it. Dan...... http://ehs.ucdavis.edu/animal/health/enterics.cfm As such, enteric bacteria imply feces. If you find one, you'll find the other. The intestines of all animals are colonized by a large number of microbes. Most of these are harmless, or even beneficial. Others are harmless in normal individuals, but can produce disease in the very young, those with weakened immune systems, or in a new host that has no prior experience with the microbe. Some bacteria are much more pathogenic and can produce disease in normal individuals on a regular basis. These are a few of the enteric bacteria most often associated with disease in humans : * Salmonella The genus Salmonella includes a very large number of species and serotypes. Many Salmonellae are infectious for man. Salmonellae can cause disease in animals, but may also be carried by apparently healthy animals. Salmonellae are especially likely to be carried by reptiles, birds, and wild rodents. Salmonellosis is one of the most common causes of diarrhea and ³food poisoning² in man. * Campylobacter jejuni Campylobacter jejuni is also a very common cause of diarrhea in man. It can be carried by most other mammals and by birds; it is especially likely to be found in cattle, sheep, dogs and poultry. In mammals, Campylobacter is most likely to be seen in young animals with diarrhea. A very high proportion of chickens shed Campylobacter in their feces, yet they rarely show any sign of illness. * Eschericia coli (pathogenic strains) Escherichia coli is one of the most common intestinal bacteria and is a normal part of every mammal¹s intestinal flora. While most E. coli bacteria are harmless, there are a few specific types of E. coli that can produce disease. Disease caused by pathogenic strains of E. coli is most likely to be seen in cattle, swine, and humans. * Shigella Shigella is a tropical bacteria species that is often seen in primates, but rarely in other animals. Shigella is a common cause of intestinal illness in the tropics, but is rare in this country. The species of Shigella seen in laboratory primates seldom infects people, but is at least a potential risk. The signs of all the above in man would be similar, although they may vary in severity. All can cause diarrhea, cramping, and fever. Most cases are minor, but these infections can be quite severe, especially in the young, the pregnant, or those with compromised immune systems. http://attra.ncat.org/attra-pub/manures.html Raw manure may NOT be applied to food crops within 120 days of harvest where edible portions have soil contact (i.e., most vegetables, strawberries, etc.); it may NOT be applied to food crops within 90 days of harvest where edible portions do not have soil contact (i.e., grain crops, most tree fruits). Such restrictions do not apply to feed and fiber crops. Washington State University suggests that growers: *Apply animal manures at least 60 days prior to harvest of any vegetable that will be eaten without cooking. *If possible, avoid manure spreading after planting. See: http://www.ext.colostate.edu/PUBS/foodnut/09369.html -- Billy Impeach Pelosi, Bush & Cheney to the Hague http://angryarab.blogspot.com/ http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/ |
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In article , Charlie wrote:
On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:57:26 -0400, "Dan L." wrote: To Other posters: Please expand my knowledge. I agree that my view was wrong on the digestive process of animals. Billy's view makes more sense. Question #1: I always thought at least carnivore's poop was not good for use in vegetable gardens because it contains E-coli. Is this concept correct? If not, Why? It's not the e-coli, it is a plethora of other pathogens and parasites, some of which haven't been determined to be destroyed by composting. Some parasite eggs can live in the soil for a considerable length of time...longer than one season. Imagine grubbing about with your fingers insoil that is contaminated with hookworm, whipworm, coccycidiosis (yeah, it ain't just a chicken disease...years ago we came up with an abandoned collie that ws infected and we quickly had one hell of a problem with the other dogs and the soil.....it was over a year before we whipped that problem...like I said fecals every six now.) Good grief, as I ponder this, it makes me want to go hang the dog and cat! ;-) Not really, the cat gets dewormed every three months whether he needs it or not and the dog gets a fecal check every six. People really need to be aware of the fact that many animal parasites are zoonotic, that is, they are transmitted to humans. If you have animals, particularly pets with which you are in close contact, they need to be checked often. Question #2: Does herbivores like cows have E-coli in their poop? Yes. Other nasties too. Fresh horse manure and urine, for example, can contain, and transmit tetanus and lepto, amongst other things and parasites. I thought one did not get E-coli from cattle products. I thought E-coli came from unsanitary meet packing houses that ended up in ground meat. Steaks were not a problem, simply searing the steak would kill the E-coli on the surface area (marinading meet should be cooked thoughly). AHhhh......I truly do enjoy a nice thick rare to medium-rare piece of cow. I'm pretty picky about my source though. Question #3: From reading Charlie's posting, the answer to #2 seems to be yes. So does this mean that even cow manure (cow poop) should not even be used on gardens also? This seems to go against an old tradition. Just a couple of links that describe the hazards and offer recommendations about how to safely use cow crap. http://gardening.wsu.edu/stewardship...re/manure2.htm http://eap.mcgill.ca/SFMC_1.htm I do believe E-coli can be found from contaminated water and if used on vegetable gardens can be bad news also. I thought water contamination came from mostly human waste sewer run offs and not cattle wastes run offs. No longer. Here in northern MO and elsewhere, CAFO (concentrated animal feed operations), hogs in particular, are a huge issue and concern and the subjuct of a lot of contention and lawsuits. Water and air pollution is rampant, though proponents and many local and state governments say otherwise. The CAFO folks usually win. If you have ever been by such an operation, and seen inside and smelled them, from miles away even, you might question eating pork. Same for most other massed produced meats. And eggs. And milk. Fortunately for the masses, milk is pasteurized. The author of The Revolution Will Not Be Microwaved,Sandor Ellix Katz, will argue that one. Katz claims that pasturization kills milk ability to defend itself. Natural milk, says Katz. has lactobacillus in it which will cause milk to sour (buttermilk) raising it's acidity and lowering its' pH which will protect it naturally for a few days. Let me know if you want the the whole argument. We used to purchase raw milk from a neighbor, but I helped him milk sometimes and he was absolutely meticulous about sanitation. Washed the bag and teats before milking with water and antiseptic, sterilized milk buckets, clean hands, instantly cooled. Cows were tested for TB. Life is risky. Ya just gotta know how to minimize, or eliminate, those risks. Please expand my knowledge of this subject. Just trying to get some basic rules on the use of animal waste fertilizers if one should use it. My recommendation is to use only composted manure. I shy away from using manure, prefering alfalfa, both baled and meal. I also use fish emusions. This year I am trying the compost tea routine for soil health. Herbivore manure can be a good source of nutrients, properly used. Composted, applied in the fall and allowed to overwinter, etc. Many parasites live in the soil and as a part of their reproductive cycle are attached to grasses, just waiting for the next herbivore to come along and complete the cycle. After writing this, it occurs to me that one may want to use similar sanitary precautions that you would use in your kitchen. HTH Care Charlie -- Billy Impeach Pelosi, Bush & Cheney to the Hague http://angryarab.blogspot.com/ http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/ |
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"Dan L." wrote in message
... In article , Billy wrote: In article , "Dan L." wrote: I am not an expert and could be wrong about this. I do believe cat poo is harmful to humans. Correct. Toxoplasmosis. I think it goes like this. If the animal is a carnivore (eats meat) and has a one chamber stomach, the animal uses E-coli to break down the proteins - then yes it is bad for vegetable gardening. Horribly wrong. Chewing (mouth), acid bath (stomach), and bile (small intestine) mechanically and enzymaticaly break down our food. The biblical sense - an unclean animal - humans included Animals that are herbivores that just eats plants, chew the cud, like cows, have a multi-chamber stomach and does not use E-coli for digestion - then yes it is good for the garden. I think it need to dry out first. There are various strains of E coli. Some are pathogenic (O157:H7 for example) most are not. Most E coli are in the intestine because it is an ecological niche that can be exploited, but the unintended consequence is that they leave no room for pathological bacteria to establish themselves, which keep us healthy. To Other posters: Please expand my knowledge. I agree that my view was wrong on the digestive process of animals. Billy's view makes more sense. Question #1: I always thought at least carnivore's poop was not good for use in vegetable gardens because it contains E-coli. Is this concept correct? If not, Why? Question #2: Does herbivores like cows have E-coli in their poop? I thought one did not get E-coli from cattle products. I thought E-coli came from unsanitary meet packing houses that ended up in ground meat. Steaks were not a problem, simply searing the steak would kill the E-coli on the surface area (marinading meet should be cooked thoughly). Question #3: From reading Charlie's posting, the answer to #2 seems to be yes. So does this mean that even cow manure (cow poop) should not even be used on gardens also? This seems to go against an old tradition. I do believe E-coli can be found from contaminated water and if used on vegetable gardens can be bad news also. I thought water contamination came from mostly human waste sewer run offs and not cattle wastes run offs. Please expand my knowledge of this subject. Just trying to get some basic rules on the use of animal waste fertilizers if one should use it. Dan...... -- Email "dan lehr at comcast dot net". Text only or goes to trash automatically. Traditionally, most gardeners don't put cow poop in a garden. The reasoning is the hay in their diet. They don't want to weed out the consequential seeds in the hay spawning unwanted growth. E-coli is spread to meat in butchering from the internal part of the digestive tract of the animal. Sanitation is always important. Segregation of internal contents of the digestive tract from the meat is just as important. Its more common with chickens. But, exists with cattle as well. -- Dave My vote in this primary was for the lesser of many evils... |
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wrote: Traditionally, most gardeners don't put cow poop in a garden. The reasoning is the hay in their diet. They don't want to weed out the consequential seeds in the hay spawning unwanted growth. E-coli is spread to meat in butchering from the internal part of the digestive tract of the animal. Sanitation is always important. Segregation of internal contents of the digestive tract from the meat is just as important. Its more common with chickens. But, exists with cattle as well. Maybe some one can address "worming" in horses. I read once that the medicines that kill worms in horses guts will also kill them in the ground. The gist of the article was that if you are buying horse manure, find out first if the horse(s) have been recently de-wormed. I'd appreciate a response from any one who could talk authoritatively to this subject. In response to the second paragraph of Dioclese's response, this is why there are laws that limit the fecal (FECAL) content in our food (How much fecal content are you comfortable with?). At a poultry "processor", 75,000 to 90,000 birds are "processed" a night. At over 180 birds a minute, some things get by the killing crew. Animals have to die for us to eat meat, but they don't have to be tortured first (factory farms). Living conditions have changed little in the push to "organic" meat. The difference is in the fodder and the withdrawal of antibiotics. I recommend that you try to find a source of humanely raised meat, and eat less of it. -- Billy Impeach Pelosi, Bush & Cheney to the Hague http://angryarab.blogspot.com/ http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/ |
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, Billy wrote: The author of The Revolution Will Not Be Microwaved,Sandor Ellix Katz, will argue that one. Katz claims that pasturization kills milk ability to defend itself. Natural milk, says Katz. has lactobacillus in it which will cause milk to sour (buttermilk) raising it's acidity and lowering its' pH which will protect it naturally for a few days. Let me know if you want the the whole argument. Aw hell, I think this is too important for everybody, so here goes. ------- The Revolution Will Not Be Microwaved pg. 165 - 168 A Brief History of Mandatory Pasteurization Perhaps you are wondering how raw milk came to be illegal and associated with disease if all these virtues I'm singing are for real. The reality is that not all milk is created equal. Traditionally, cows have been pastured (not pasteurized), given plenty of space to graze on grass. This is how ruminants thrive. This practice makes for mostly healthv animals and safe, nutritious milk. Ruminants evolved grazing, and milk (as well as meat) from grass-pastured animals is rnore nutritious than that from animals fed primarily grain, especially in terms of beneficial omega-3 fatty acids and a nutrient called conjugated linoleic acid (CLA), an important omega-6 fatty acid that is found in milk from grass-fed animals in concentrations up to five times the amount found in milk from grain-fed animals. As a result of rapid urbanization, particularly during the nineteenth century, many dairies expanded their herds to meet rising demand for milk, while simultaneously pasture land was getting crowded out. This forced urban dairies to search for more space-intensive methods. ' Meanwhile a domestic liquor-distilling industry began to develop in the United States, which produced lots of waste in the form of spent grains known as "swill" or "slop." The urban dairies found in the distilleries_ by-product a cheap alternative to pastures for feeding their cows. The two industries coined together, first in New York City, and slop dairies became widespread around the United States by the 1830s. Slop diets kept cows lactating, but it made them unhealthy. "The milk was so defective in the properties essential to good milk that it could not be made into butter or cheese," writes naturopathic doctor and dairy farmer Ron Schmid, author of The Untold Story of Milk." Instead of keeping cows outside grazing in pastures as cows always had been, the new dairy industry confined their cows and fed them slop. Their feces were concentrated rather than dispersed, and they wallowed in it. Nonetheless the milk produced by the slop dairies was popular, because it was cheap. By 1852 three-quarters of milk sales in New York City were of slop milk. Problems were developing as well, specifically rising mortality rates among infants, leading to debates over "the milk problem." Two distinct milk reform movements emerged in the 1890s. One, advocated primarily by medical doctors, called for "certified milk." The "milk cure" was a long-established healing regime prescribed by many medical doctors of the time, and good-quality milk was regarded by the profession as an important factor in maintaining health. Milk certifying commissions were formed by medical associations in many areas. The commissions established hygiene and care standards for farms, per-formed inspections, and gave their seals of approval to milk from farms meeting the standards. "The other reform movement advocated pasteurization as the most effective means of making the milk supply safe. The two contrasting approaches to safe milk‹certification and pasteurization‹are not mutually exclusive. It is possible to have a regulatory scheme in which some or most milk is pasteurized (and clearly labeled as such), while other milk that meets some specified standard can be sold raw (and clearly labeled as such). Such is the situation in California and several other states today, and historically, both regulatory schemes overlapped in most places. Pasteurization is simple, and it dramatically improved infant survival rates. A powerful advocate for pasteurization was New York philanthropist Nathan Straus, a partner in Macy's department store. Straus funded the establishment of "milk depots" around New York, where slop milk was pasteurized and sold cheaply starting in 1893. Between the milk depots and the new system of chlorinating the New York City water system, the epidemic of infant mortality rapidly receded. The diseased milk from the slop dairies was rendered safer by pasteurization, but still it lacked the nutrients, enzymes, and bacteria found in raw milk from healthy pastured cows. Pasteurization was and is "a quick, technological fix."" Quick technological fixes have their appeal. New York's success with pasteurization spurred its rapid spread. In 1908 President Theodore Roosevelt, an old friend of Straus, ordered a study of milk pasteurization, and the Surgeon General declared: "Pasteurization prevents much sickness and saves many lives." A 1911 National Commission on Milk Standards recommended mandatory pasteurization‹except for certified milk. By 1917 pasteurization was legally required or officially encouraged in forty-six of the fifty-two largest U.S. cities, and over time, systems of milk certification gradually died out in most places. The rise of mandatory pasteurization solidified the myth that raw milk is inherently dangerous‹regardless of the conditions of the animals it comes from. This has become dogma. The people charged with protecting the public health are so thoroughly indoctrinated with the idea that raw milk is inherently dangerous that raw milk is always the presumed culprit if someone who has drunk it falls ill. "Allowing the sale of raw dairy products goes against everything I ever learned and everything that public health stands for," said Suzanne Jenkins, head epidemiologist at the Virginia Department of Health, in 2004." Public health authorities have a difficult time recognizing that the quality of the milk is determined by how the animals are kept. As the pasteurization-promoting Straus said, "If it were possible to secure pure, fresh milk direct from absolutely healthy cows, there would be no necessity for pasteurization. If it were possible by legislation to obtain a milk supply from clean stables after a careful process of milking, to have transportation to the city in perfectly clean and closed vessels, then pasteurization would be unnecessary." A hundred years later, we have refrigeration, and it is possible to obtain pure, fresh milk that meets all of Strauss criteria. When healthy cows are removed from confinement and allowed to graze in pastures, their milk is healthy and safe. Unfortunately, most places do not permit or regulate the retail sale of raw milk. In most of the United States and much of the rest of the world, it is simply illegal to buy or sell raw milk. As more and more' people learn about the benefits of raw milk and want to start drinking it, a grassroots underground has emerged, linking consumers directly to dairy farmers with small, pastured herds. -- Billy Impeach Pelosi, Bush & Cheney to the Hague http://angryarab.blogspot.com/ http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/ |
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