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On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 11:41:28 -0400, Derald wrote:

Boron Elgar wrote:

I have found that another variable is tomato variety, too. Over and
above the specific ones that are wilt-resistant, some are just overly
sensitive to it.


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I am growing a lot of different varieties this year, each in large
tubs, each in exactly the same growing medium. The different tubs are
being treated as similarly as one can do under home gardening
conditions, so I really believe some of what I am seeing is variety
based.


So:
What's your climate like?
What varieties?
What are you seeing? :-)



I am in northern NJ. Sometimes designated zone 6b, sometimes 7a.

I have been at this a long time and known blight/spot/wilt and the
variations pretty well. I am trying Serenade this year, as it is a
biofungicide, but probably waited too long.

This has been a highly productive, relatively dry year for tomatoes in
the area, with minimal problems that can come from a wet season, and
I will have oodles to use and give away from many other varieties.

I had higher hopes for the Tie Dyes, though. Ah well. I got the
seedlings in LA in April and brought them east.. Next year I will try
them from seed.

Or maybe I will get some from the Lomita Tomato Lady.

http://heirloomtomatoplants.com/


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Once upon a time on usenet Boron Elgar wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 15:17:20 +1200, "~misfit~"
wrote:

Once upon a time on usenet Derald wrote:
"~misfit~" wrote:

Thanks for the links
Hope you find the information useful. Use with caution: Those
sorts of guides can easily lead to confusion. Concentrating on the
visuals only can be misleading. It is important also to be aware of
contributing factors such as season, prevailing weather conditions,
soil conditions, nutrient levels, etc. etc.


Understood. Thanks again.



I have found that another variable is tomato variety, too. Over and
above the specific ones that are wilt-resistant, some are just overly
sensitive to it.

I have found that Pink Berkeley Tie-Dye are highly susceptible to
fungal attack...also to scald and blossom end rot. Damn fine tomatoes
if they make it through, though.

I am growing a lot of different varieties this year, each in large
tubs, each in exactly the same growing medium. The different tubs are
being treated as similarly as one can do under home gardening
conditions, so I really believe some of what I am seeing is variety
based.


Handy to know. I wonder if that information is out there somewhere? Last
year I decided to just grow Grosse Lisse as the previous year they were my
favourites. However we had a wet season and they lost all their lower leaves
first then the stems rotted. A later crop I put in was too late.

I've never sprayed tomatoes before, just figured if I get a crop then that's
great. However as finances get tighter and mobility more limited I can't
afford to put the effort in for little or no return so will have to learn to
work out what the trouble is (if any) and sort it out this year.

Cheers,
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)





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~misfit~ wrote:
....
I've never sprayed tomatoes before, just figured if I get a crop then that's
great. However as finances get tighter and mobility more limited I can't
afford to put the effort in for little or no return so will have to learn to
work out what the trouble is (if any) and sort it out this year.


i would try cherry tomatoes and varieties geared
towards patio growers. as of yet the cherry tomato
variety sweet 100 has been reliable. last year was
our worst for the large tomato harvest, but the
sweet 100s did ok. the plants do get big, but they
flop down if you don't stake them up so you can
work from the side or underneath if you have to.


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On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 12:48:37 +1200, "~misfit~"
wrote:

Once upon a time on usenet Boron Elgar wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 15:17:20 +1200, "~misfit~"
wrote:

Once upon a time on usenet Derald wrote:
"~misfit~" wrote:

Thanks for the links
Hope you find the information useful. Use with caution: Those
sorts of guides can easily lead to confusion. Concentrating on the
visuals only can be misleading. It is important also to be aware of
contributing factors such as season, prevailing weather conditions,
soil conditions, nutrient levels, etc. etc.

Understood. Thanks again.



I have found that another variable is tomato variety, too. Over and
above the specific ones that are wilt-resistant, some are just overly
sensitive to it.

I have found that Pink Berkeley Tie-Dye are highly susceptible to
fungal attack...also to scald and blossom end rot. Damn fine tomatoes
if they make it through, though.

I am growing a lot of different varieties this year, each in large
tubs, each in exactly the same growing medium. The different tubs are
being treated as similarly as one can do under home gardening
conditions, so I really believe some of what I am seeing is variety
based.


Handy to know. I wonder if that information is out there somewhere? Last
year I decided to just grow Grosse Lisse as the previous year they were my
favourites. However we had a wet season and they lost all their lower leaves
first then the stems rotted. A later crop I put in was too late.

I've never sprayed tomatoes before, just figured if I get a crop then that's
great. However as finances get tighter and mobility more limited I can't
afford to put the effort in for little or no return so will have to learn to
work out what the trouble is (if any) and sort it out this year.

Cheers,


I am as close to organic as one can get - at least when the bugs are
OUTSIDE my house, but Serenade (way overpriced bottle of liquid it is,
too), being a biological, doesn't offend me instantly.

I recommend putting in as wide a variety of tomatoes as you can
accommodate, and include a few cherrys. Even when the weather
decimates the large fruit plants, I always manage to get some harvest
from the cherries. Makes for odd sandwiches, but they are tasty.

Yesterday's pickings:

http://i62.tinypic.com/jphkxz.jpg
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On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 21:27:46 -0400, songbird
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~misfit~ wrote:
...
I've never sprayed tomatoes before, just figured if I get a crop then that's
great. However as finances get tighter and mobility more limited I can't
afford to put the effort in for little or no return so will have to learn to
work out what the trouble is (if any) and sort it out this year.


i would try cherry tomatoes and varieties geared
towards patio growers. as of yet the cherry tomato
variety sweet 100 has been reliable. last year was
our worst for the large tomato harvest, but the
sweet 100s did ok. the plants do get big, but they
flop down if you don't stake them up so you can
work from the side or underneath if you have to.


songbird



Gotta laugh...I did not read ahead, but posted to Misfit and
recommended the same solution.


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Once upon a time on usenet songbird wrote:
~misfit~ wrote:
...
I've never sprayed tomatoes before, just figured if I get a crop
then that's great. However as finances get tighter and mobility more
limited I can't afford to put the effort in for little or no return
so will have to learn to work out what the trouble is (if any) and
sort it out this year.


i would try cherry tomatoes and varieties geared
towards patio growers. as of yet the cherry tomato
variety sweet 100 has been reliable. last year was
our worst for the large tomato harvest, but the
sweet 100s did ok. the plants do get big, but they
flop down if you don't stake them up so you can
work from the side or underneath if you have to.


Thanks. Most years I grow at least one cherry tomato plant but last year
didn't. I won't make that mistake again. (I have seeds that I've kept from
previous years and have been trying to grow some inside under lights - as
I've been talking about in another thread.)
--
Shaun.

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little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)


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Once upon a time on usenet Boron Elgar wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 12:48:37 +1200, "~misfit~"
wrote:

Once upon a time on usenet Boron Elgar wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 15:17:20 +1200, "~misfit~"
wrote:

Once upon a time on usenet Derald wrote:
"~misfit~" wrote:

Thanks for the links
Hope you find the information useful. Use with caution: Those
sorts of guides can easily lead to confusion. Concentrating on
the visuals only can be misleading. It is important also to be
aware of contributing factors such as season, prevailing weather
conditions, soil conditions, nutrient levels, etc. etc.

Understood. Thanks again.


I have found that another variable is tomato variety, too. Over and
above the specific ones that are wilt-resistant, some are just
overly sensitive to it.

I have found that Pink Berkeley Tie-Dye are highly susceptible to
fungal attack...also to scald and blossom end rot. Damn fine
tomatoes if they make it through, though.

I am growing a lot of different varieties this year, each in large
tubs, each in exactly the same growing medium. The different tubs
are being treated as similarly as one can do under home gardening
conditions, so I really believe some of what I am seeing is variety
based.


Handy to know. I wonder if that information is out there somewhere?
Last year I decided to just grow Grosse Lisse as the previous year
they were my favourites. However we had a wet season and they lost
all their lower leaves first then the stems rotted. A later crop I
put in was too late.

I've never sprayed tomatoes before, just figured if I get a crop
then that's great. However as finances get tighter and mobility more
limited I can't afford to put the effort in for little or no return
so will have to learn to work out what the trouble is (if any) and
sort it out this year.

Cheers,


I am as close to organic as one can get - at least when the bugs are
OUTSIDE my house, but Serenade (way overpriced bottle of liquid it is,
too), being a biological, doesn't offend me instantly.


I try to be as organic as possible but finances especially dictate that I
compromise from time to time. However if and when I do compromise I try to
use older 'tried and true' low-impact substances.

I recommend putting in as wide a variety of tomatoes as you can
accommodate, and include a few cherrys. Even when the weather
decimates the large fruit plants, I always manage to get some harvest
from the cherries. Makes for odd sandwiches, but they are tasty.


True. I usually grow three or four varieties including a cherry tomato but,
as the previous year the Grosse Lisse was by far my favourite and I'm having
to cut back a bit on non-tree food growing (essentially 'soil working') I
decided to just grow the Grosee Lisse last year. Lesson learned.

Yesterday's pickings:

http://i62.tinypic.com/jphkxz.jpg


Nice!
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)


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On Sat, 1 Aug 2015 12:58:29 +1200, "~misfit~"
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I am as close to organic as one can get - at least when the bugs are
OUTSIDE my house, but Serenade (way overpriced bottle of liquid it is,
too), being a biological, doesn't offend me instantly.


I try to be as organic as possible but finances especially dictate that I
compromise from time to time. However if and when I do compromise I try to
use older 'tried and true' low-impact substances.

I recommend putting in as wide a variety of tomatoes as you can
accommodate, and include a few cherrys. Even when the weather
decimates the large fruit plants, I always manage to get some harvest
from the cherries. Makes for odd sandwiches, but they are tasty.


True. I usually grow three or four varieties including a cherry tomato but,
as the previous year the Grosse Lisse was by far my favourite and I'm having
to cut back a bit on non-tree food growing (essentially 'soil working') I
decided to just grow the Grosee Lisse last year. Lesson learned.


Spring is a gardener's season on hope, late summer is one of distress.

I have squirrels or chipmunks raiding the tomatoes. Lost a lot this
week.

I will set some mouse traps around a few plants, but who knows what
approach the critters are using.

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