Someone in another group I read wants to move some 100 year old grape
vines . Any chance of success ? My understanding is that they root very
deeply , wondered if that would make it difficult to avoid transplant shock
..

--
Snag

Terry Coombs wrote:

Someone in another group I read wants to move some 100 year old grape
vines . Any chance of success ? My understanding is that they root very
deeply , wondered if that would make it difficult to avoid transplant shock
.

depends upon what type of vines. if they are grafted
upon different root stock, etc.

how many vines?

if they are self-rooted (all the same plant with no
graft) then they would be much better off by taking
cuttings from 1yr wood and rooting those (similar to
how you'd do roses or many other woody stemmed plants).


songbird

songbird wrote:
Terry Coombs wrote:

Someone in another group I read wants to move some 100 year old
grape vines . Any chance of success ? My understanding is that they
root very deeply , wondered if that would make it difficult to avoid
transplant shock .

depends upon what type of vines. if they are grafted
upon different root stock, etc.

how many vines?

if they are self-rooted (all the same plant with no
graft) then they would be much better off by taking
cuttings from 1yr wood and rooting those (similar to
how you'd do roses or many other woody stemmed plants).


songbird

I don' know ... were they grafting grape vines on hardy rootstock a hundred
years ago? I had suggested to her that cloning might be an option ... but
grafting would probably be the best option if that's how the original was
propagated .

--
Snag

Terry Coombs wrote:
songbird wrote:
Terry Coombs wrote:

Someone in another group I read wants to move some 100 year old
grape vines . Any chance of success ? My understanding is that they
root very deeply , wondered if that would make it difficult to avoid
transplant shock .

depends upon what type of vines. if they are grafted
upon different root stock, etc.

how many vines?

if they are self-rooted (all the same plant with no
graft) then they would be much better off by taking
cuttings from 1yr wood and rooting those (similar to
how you'd do roses or many other woody stemmed plants).

I don' know ... were they grafting grape vines on hardy rootstock a hundred
years ago?

yes, the bug that eats roots affects european varieties
that haven't been hybridized to defeat them...


I had suggested to her that cloning might be an option ... but
grafting would probably be the best option if that's how the original was
propagated .

depends upon the type of vine. if it is an old variety from
europe it will probably require it. if it is a hybrid or
american native it maybe won't.


songbird

In article ,
"Terry Coombs" wrote:

Someone in another group I read wants to move some 100 year old grape
vines . Any chance of success ? My understanding is that they root very
deeply , wondered if that would make it difficult to avoid transplant shock


I have not done it (yet) but I poked around a bit and found several
success stories of moving huge old vines (prune the vine back hard,
first, seems to be a common theme.) Cuttings are easier to handle, but
the old vine will be back to fruiting faster. Remember that grapes fruit
off of new wood and require fairly hard pruning to produce well.

Timing will also matter - you are likely near (or past) the end of the
"spring window" for moving them, and long past the best time for pruning
(dead of winter.) Fall is probably a better time to move, so the roots
can re-establish over the winter. Moving them with leaves on seems
doubtful in the extreme.

You'll be losing a good deal of root material (I don't know how deep
they go, but they certainly go wide, based on the ones I find) but that
will re-grow as well.

--
Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by
Please don't feed the trolls. Killfile and ignore them so they will go away.

Once upon a time on usenet songbird wrote:
Terry Coombs wrote:
songbird wrote:
Terry Coombs wrote:

Someone in another group I read wants to move some 100 year old
grape vines . Any chance of success ? My understanding is that they
root very deeply , wondered if that would make it difficult to
avoid transplant shock .

depends upon what type of vines. if they are grafted
upon different root stock, etc.

how many vines?

if they are self-rooted (all the same plant with no
graft) then they would be much better off by taking
cuttings from 1yr wood and rooting those (similar to
how you'd do roses or many other woody stemmed plants).

I don' know ... were they grafting grape vines on hardy rootstock a
hundred years ago?

yes, the bug that eats roots affects european varieties
that haven't been hybridized to defeat them...

Phylloxera -a root-sucking aphid from America introduced into Europe on the
roots of North American vines a couple hundred years ago.

I had suggested to her that cloning might be an option ... but
grafting would probably be the best option if that's how the
original was propagated .

depends upon the type of vine. if it is an old variety from
europe it will probably require it. if it is a hybrid or
american native it maybe won't.


songbird
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)

Once upon a time on usenet ~misfit~ wrote:
Once upon a time on usenet songbird wrote:
Terry Coombs wrote:
songbird wrote:
Terry Coombs wrote:

Someone in another group I read wants to move some 100 year old
grape vines . Any chance of success ? My understanding is that
they root very deeply , wondered if that would make it difficult
to avoid transplant shock .

depends upon what type of vines. if they are grafted
upon different root stock, etc.

how many vines?

if they are self-rooted (all the same plant with no
graft) then they would be much better off by taking
cuttings from 1yr wood and rooting those (similar to
how you'd do roses or many other woody stemmed plants).

I don' know ... were they grafting grape vines on hardy rootstock a
hundred years ago?

yes, the bug that eats roots affects european varieties
that haven't been hybridized to defeat them...

Phylloxera -a root-sucking aphid from America introduced into Europe
on the roots of North American vines a couple hundred years ago.

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Popul...ape_Phylloxera
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)

Once upon a time on usenet Ecnerwal wrote:
In article ,
"Terry Coombs" wrote:

Someone in another group I read wants to move some 100 year old
grape vines . Any chance of success ? My understanding is that they
root very deeply , wondered if that would make it difficult to avoid
transplant shock


I have not done it (yet) but I poked around a bit and found several
success stories of moving huge old vines (prune the vine back hard,
first, seems to be a common theme.) Cuttings are easier to handle, but
the old vine will be back to fruiting faster. Remember that grapes
fruit off of new wood and require fairly hard pruning to produce well.

Timing will also matter - you are likely near (or past) the end of the
"spring window" for moving them, and long past the best time for
pruning (dead of winter.) Fall is probably a better time to move, so
the roots can re-establish over the winter. Moving them with leaves
on seems doubtful in the extreme.

You'll be losing a good deal of root material (I don't know how deep
they go, but they certainly go wide, based on the ones I find) but
that will re-grow as well.

Grapevines are one of the deepest rooting plants. In certain soils /
shingles the roots have been found deeper than 50 feet.
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy
little classification in the DSM*."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)
(*Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders)