Hi All,

I got my first cherry tomato today! My wife's eyes
lit up when she ate it. :-)

I have a million more green ones to go!

-T

T wrote:
Hi All,

I got my first cherry tomato today! My wife's eyes
lit up when she ate it. :-)

I have a million more green ones to go!

haha! ya! we have some green ones coming
along. don't usually have anything ripe until
a few more weeks. i'm glad we only put in one
cherry tomato plant this season. i can't eat
them and it is a waste of space if they are
mostly falling on the ground.


songbird

On 07/27/2016 04:20 AM, songbird wrote:
i can't eat
them

Oh that sucks! Do they hurt your digestion?

We eat them like candy. I have brought in a bowl of
them to my wife, turned around, then turned back,
found an empty bowl, then found my wife displaying
two distinct emotions: guilt and absolute delight. Which,
of course, means I have to grow cherry tomatoes for the
rest of my life. She has that effect. I call it
the "whammy". She shows no sign of reform after 42 years.

Being Primal and all (drug free T2 Diabetic), the both
of us (she eats exactly what I eat to keep me from ever
being tempted) can taste the subtle sweets of things.
Store bought tomatoes are horrible! They even manage to
somehow screw up heirloom tomatoes.

T wrote:
On 07/27/2016 04:20 AM, songbird wrote:
i can't eat
them

Oh that sucks! Do they hurt your digestion?

no, i grew up eating and cooking italian food
with plenty of tomatoes my whole life until i
turned 50 and then i started getting rashes.
eventually i narrowed it down to tomatoes
causing the problem.


We eat them like candy.

when i used to go out to pick i could eat
a few dozen and then come in and have a tomato
sandwich. one of my most favorite meals in
the winter is toast with butter and a jar of
home-made salsa on it. Ma's favorite is macaroni
and tomato juice (from home grown tomatoes). i
love it too, when first made with butter melted
on top... so having gone on tomato restriction
is changing my diet in a lot of ways. Ma also
has been having fun doing some of her dishes
without tomatoes or finding alternative versions.
spaghetti and meatballs, i rinse the meatballs
off. just not the same.

saying it sucks is an understatement. once
in a while i do eat tomatoes anyways and pay the
price.

this year i'm growing extra red peppers so i
can make stuff with red pepper sauce instead of
tomatoes.


I have brought in a bowl of
them to my wife, turned around, then turned back,
found an empty bowl, then found my wife displaying
two distinct emotions: guilt and absolute delight. Which,
of course, means I have to grow cherry tomatoes for the
rest of my life. She has that effect. I call it
the "whammy". She shows no sign of reform after 42 years.

Being Primal and all (drug free T2 Diabetic), the both
of us (she eats exactly what I eat to keep me from ever
being tempted) can taste the subtle sweets of things.
Store bought tomatoes are horrible! They even manage to
somehow screw up heirloom tomatoes.

yes, we don't usually add sugar, salt or pepper to
things we cook here. i am gradually lowering my own
sugar intake, but i still have a few things i do like
some sugar on. i know i'm making progress though
because i had Ma get some frosted corn flakes for a
recipe i wanted to try and determined that they were
too sweet to eat as cereal. i would have to mix them
with two to three times plain corn flakes to get the
level to more tolerable.


songbird

On 07/28/2016 05:31 AM, songbird wrote:
T wrote:
On 07/27/2016 04:20 AM, songbird wrote:
i can't eat
them

Oh that sucks! Do they hurt your digestion?

no, i grew up eating and cooking italian food
with plenty of tomatoes my whole life until i
turned 50 and then i started getting rashes.
eventually i narrowed it down to tomatoes
causing the problem.

Double SUCKS!

My wife can not be in the house with a ripening
conventional tomato (the packers smother them in chlorinated
hydrocarbons), but she is perfectly fine with my home
grown tomatoes and store bought organic tomatoes.
But I don't think this is your problem as you farm
organically.


We eat them like candy.

when i used to go out to pick i could eat
a few dozen and then come in and have a tomato
sandwich. one of my most favorite meals in
the winter is toast with butter and a jar of
home-made salsa on it. Ma's favorite is macaroni
and tomato juice (from home grown tomatoes). i
love it too, when first made with butter melted
on top... so having gone on tomato restriction
is changing my diet in a lot of ways. Ma also
has been having fun doing some of her dishes
without tomatoes or finding alternative versions.
spaghetti and meatballs, i rinse the meatballs
off. just not the same.

saying it sucks is an understatement. once
in a while i do eat tomatoes anyways and pay the
price.

this year i'm growing extra red peppers so i
can make stuff with red pepper sauce instead of
tomatoes.


I have brought in a bowl of
them to my wife, turned around, then turned back,
found an empty bowl, then found my wife displaying
two distinct emotions: guilt and absolute delight. Which,
of course, means I have to grow cherry tomatoes for the
rest of my life. She has that effect. I call it
the "whammy". She shows no sign of reform after 42 years.

Being Primal and all (drug free T2 Diabetic), the both
of us (she eats exactly what I eat to keep me from ever
being tempted) can taste the subtle sweets of things.
Store bought tomatoes are horrible! They even manage to
somehow screw up heirloom tomatoes.

yes, we don't usually add sugar, salt or pepper to
things we cook here. i am gradually lowering my own
sugar intake, but i still have a few things i do like
some sugar on.

You can try stevia. But be careful, too much doesn't
make it cloying; too much tastes like gasoline (saccharin).
It isa self limiting in that sense.

i know i'm making progress though
because i had Ma get some frosted corn flakes for a
recipe i wanted to try and determined that they were
too sweet to eat as cereal. i would have to mix them
with two to three times plain corn flakes to get the
level to more tolerable.


songbird

Be careful. A bowl of corn flakes without the sugar
is the same below your neck as a bowl of sugar without
the corn flakes.

I have switches to parmesan romano cheese as a sub for
breading on my pan fried chicken. You got to be careful
not to burn it, but oh may does it taste good! Make sure
you get the fresh stuff (Trader Joe's has a great one),
not the stuff from the cardboard tube (yuk!). And be careful
not to add salt till you eat it. Parmesan romano is very
salty.

I take it back on the double sucks. Bell pepper sauce ?!?!?!
Make that for a triple sucks! Oh Man!

I wonder if this stuff (or your own sub) would work?
http://www.nomato.com/products.htm
Ingredients: Organic Carrots, Water, Beets, Organic
Onions, Lemon Juice, Kosher Salt, Garlic, Basil,
Oregano, and Ascorbic Acid (vitamin C)

I am up to four cherry tomatoes now! I got hundreds of green
ones.

-T

T wrote:
On 07/28/2016 05:31 AM, songbird wrote:
T wrote:
On 07/27/2016 04:20 AM, songbird wrote:
i can't eat
them

Oh that sucks! Do they hurt your digestion?

no, i grew up eating and cooking italian food
with plenty of tomatoes my whole life until i
turned 50 and then i started getting rashes.
eventually i narrowed it down to tomatoes
causing the problem.

Double SUCKS!

My wife can not be in the house with a ripening
conventional tomato (the packers smother them in chlorinated
hydrocarbons), but she is perfectly fine with my home
grown tomatoes and store bought organic tomatoes.
But I don't think this is your problem as you farm
organically.

i don't use the term organically that often, but
consider it natural, traditional or even simplistic.


....
yes, we don't usually add sugar, salt or pepper to
things we cook here. i am gradually lowering my own
sugar intake, but i still have a few things i do like
some sugar on.

You can try stevia. But be careful, too much doesn't
make it cloying; too much tastes like gasoline (saccharin).
It isa self limiting in that sense.

doubt i will bother growing it here, but
i did try a leaf when i visited my brother.
interesting plant for sure.

my own ideas are more in the line that if
something tastes like sugar then it is probable
to some extent that even the taste alone can
kick off bodily responses. so i tend to avoid
the sugar substitutes also.


....
I take it back on the double sucks. Bell pepper sauce ?!?!?!
Make that for a triple sucks! Oh Man!

not bell pepper (aka green peppers i don't
particularly like), red peppers are much better
IMO.


I wonder if this stuff (or your own sub) would work?
http://www.nomato.com/products.htm
Ingredients: Organic Carrots, Water, Beets, Organic
Onions, Lemon Juice, Kosher Salt, Garlic, Basil,
Oregano, and Ascorbic Acid (vitamin C)

all things i can eat, would skip the salt and
acid. lemon juice is ok as is.

we'll see how the peppers work out this year.
i ate a lot of them last year. one time i went out
and picked over 40 of them and cooked up half of
them right away along with some sausage and onions.
very yummy, except then of course i want to eat it
all up...


I am up to four cherry tomatoes now! I got hundreds of green
ones.

we're seeing plenty of green ones here too. i
will have to look tomorrow when i'm watering to
see how things are coming along. plenty of beef-
steaks on the plants. we'll be canning most
of them eventually.


songbird

On 08/04/2016 09:03 PM, songbird wrote:


i don't use the term organically that often, but
consider it natural, traditional or even simplistic.

I personally think you are the absolute cutting edge
or organic farming. "When" we humans venture out into
space and grow our own food along the way, your
techniques will be solely needed. Out own planet
will be need your techiniques solely in the not too
distant future too.

Didn't know you had a cheering section, did you? No!
What did I just say??? I take it back.

What ??? Okay, maybe a little. What ??? Okay, okay,
maybe a lot. :-)

my own ideas are more in the line that if
something tastes like sugar then it is probable
to some extent that even the taste alone can
kick off bodily responses. so i tend to avoid
the sugar substitutes also.

True. Stevia is self limiting as more doesn't taste
sweeter. The YUK factor (tastes like gasoline)
stops you in your tracks.

I sometimes will use Stevia to try to trigger a response
to get my blood sugar down. It doesn't work very well.

I will not use any other sweetener. I think artificial
sweeteners are insane. Sucralose was actually a discarded
pesticide. Be fun to have listened to the conversation
as to who would taste it first. A lo of Diabetics use
Sucralose. I messes the intestines up (why yo get the
runs and how it killed bugs) and it keeps your satiation
switch from resetting to natural levels of sweetness.
As I said, insane.

-T

Sucks that the we lost Stormin home over on the repair
group. Breaks my heart.

T wrote:
songbird wrote:


i don't use the term organically that often, but
consider it natural, traditional or even simplistic.

I personally think you are the absolute cutting edge
or organic farming. "When" we humans venture out into
space and grow our own food along the way, your
techniques will be solely needed. Out own planet
will be need your techiniques solely in the not too
distant future too.

Didn't know you had a cheering section, did you? No!
What did I just say??? I take it back.

What ??? Okay, maybe a little. What ??? Okay, okay,
maybe a lot. :-)

ha, ok, well...

i don't think it is complicated or fancy or
even cutting edge. it's more like what people
would do when thinking about how to recycle
nutrients instead of letting them get thrown
away.

in contemplating any long distance scenarios
it's going to be really interesting to figure out
how metals will work and how they will have to be
recycled or managed. some planets may have no
metals at all. however, i suspect humans may
leave this form behind long before we spread out
too far and perhaps it will make no sense to
dive down a steep gravity well just to have space
when we can have space in space instead. we may
just become space capable ourselves and not need
habitats or plants or any of the rest of the
biological support system we have on this planet.
dunno... would be interesting to be able to
stick around and see what happens.


....
Sucks that the we lost Stormin home over on the repair
group. Breaks my heart.

i didn't know him that well, but yeah RIP.


songbird