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In article , Tom J
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On Sat, 07 Jun 2003 11:09:43 -0400, Ann wrote:

Tom J expounded:


This entire thread remains clueless except for some insight by
Vox....

Sorry, but I find Vox to be as rabid as Paghat on this one.


OK Ann, but living in a communality with hundreds of HOA's I see
none of the rantings validated.

Some people don't HAVE to care, so never even bother to look. You
don't
see what you couldn't care less about.

Tell me what single community has HUNDREDS of HOAs while you're at it.
By
HUNDREDS you mean 200 HOAs right in your neighborhood? Three or four
hundred? Six hundred? Should be easy for you to name 10% of them then,
or
grab your Yellow Pages & list the ones that start with "S" -- that
should
be a good 20 out of 200 right there.

Someone mentioned that they lived in an area called Montgomery Village
that
had a lot of HOAs. If you go to the Montgomery County HOA page you will
see
a list of over 800 HOA listed.
http://www.communitiesonline.org/sta...ontgomery/hoa/

The majority of that page lists single-building condo associations, &
lists them randomly throughout Virginia, Washington D.C., & Maryland, &
includes unincorporated civic associations that are not HOAs.

Oh, now I see the problem. You can't read! I guess that you didn't realize
that the page is titled "Montgomery County Homeowners Associations" and that
the words "Home Owners Association" and "HOA" in the titles of all the
organizations refer to organizations of people who own homes. Just for fun,
why don't you tell me of the following list, which of the Homeowners
Associations listed on that page are not Homeowners Associations, but
instead "unincorporated civic associations?"

Montgomery County Homeowners Associations
Ashley Hollow HOA, Inc.
Ashley Manor (HOA)
Ashley Place at Tanglewood HOA
Ashton Oaks HOA Inc.
Ashton Pond Community Assn. Inc.
Ashton Village Homeowners Assoc.Inc.
Aspen Hill Park Community Assn.
Audobon Square Community Assoc.Inc.
Avalon Farms Homeowners Association
Avenel Community Association Inc.
Avenshire Homeowners Assn.Inc.
Avery Village (HOA)
Avonshire Homeowners AssociationInc.
Badger Drive HOA
Bannockburn Ridge HOA Inc.
Barrington HOAInc.
Beacon Place Homeowners AssociationInc.
Beallmount Community Association
Bel Pre Square
Bel1Pre Recreational AssociationInc.
Bell Glen
Bellwood Community CouncilInc.
Bennington Community Assoc.Inc.
Bethesda Crescent HOA
Bethesda Place Community CouncilInc.
Big Pines Village HOA Inc.
Birnam Wood Community Association
Blackburn Village HOA Inc.
Blue Smoke Homeowners AssociationInc.
Blunt Commons Homeowners AssociationInc.
Bonaire Homes AssociationInc.
Bonifant Village Citizens Assn.Inc.
Bonifant Woods Homeowners Association
Bonihill HOAInc.
Bowie Mill Park
Bradford Park HOA
Bradley Park Homeowners Assoc.IncThe
Bramble Bush Court HOAInc.
Brandermill AssociationInc.The
Branford Park HOAInc.
Briarcliff Manor Homeowners Association
Briars Acres Community AssociationInc.
Briggs Chaney Woods Community Assn.I.
Brighton Homeowners AssociationInc.
Brighton HomesInc.
Brighton Knolls Community Assn.Inc.
Brinkwood Community AssociationInc.
Broadmore Hills Community Services Assn.Inc.
Brook Farm
Brooke Manor HOA
Brookeville Farm HOAInc.
Brookeville Knolls Homeowners Assoc.In
Burnt Mills Square HOA
Burton Woods
Burton's Mill HOA
Cabin John GardensInc.
Calverton Townes HOAInc.
Camberley of Potomac
Cambridge Cluster HOAInc.
Cambridge Heights HOAInc.
Cambridge Walk Homeowner's AssociationInc.
Camelot Mews HOAInc.
Cameron Mill HOAInc.
Candle Ridge
Candlewood Park HOAInc.
Capella Homeowners AssociationInc.
Capri Place Homeowners Assn.
Carderock Springs Citizens Assn.Inc.
Carderock Springs HOA
Carderock Springs South HOAInc.
Carlton Place HOAInc.
Carmelita HOAInc.
Carriage Walk HOAInc.
Carter Hill HOAInc.
Carver Terrace Community Assn.
Cashell EstatesInc.
Castle Cliff Court Townhouse
Castle Gate Townhouse Assoc.Inc.
Cedar Village
Chadsberry HOAInc.
Chadswood HOAInc.
Champlain at Environ (TH Assoc.)
Charlene at Goshen Homeowners Assoc.Inc.
Charles Walk Community Assn.Inc.
Chequers of Potomac
Cherrywood Homeowners Assoc.Inc.
Cherrywood Townhouse Community Assn.Inc.
Chesley Knoll Court HOAInc.
Chevy Chase Park Community Assn.
Chevy Chase Terrace Community Assn.
Chevy Chase Valley Assn.
Chevy Chase West Neighborhood Assn.Inc.
Chevy Chase Woods
Christie Estates HOAInc.
Churchill Community FoundationInc.(The)
Churchill East Community Assn.Inc. (The)
Churchill East Village Community AssociationInc.
Churchill Village South HOAInc. (The)
Cinnamon Woods Homes Association
City Commons of Bethesda HOAInc.
Clagett Farm HOAInc.
Claridge View
Clearspring Manor HOAInc.
Cloisters HOAInc.
Cloisters HOAInc.
Cloppers Mill Community Assn.Inc.
Clopper's Mill HOAInc.
Clopper's Mill West Community Assn.Inc.
College Gardens Civic Assn.Inc.
College Square Community Assn.Inc.
College Station HOAInc.
College View Estates Citizens AssociationInc.
Collingwood HOAInc.
Connecticut Overlook HOAInc.
Copenhaver Homes CorporationInc.
Countryside (HOA)
Courthouse Walk HOA
Courts of Flower Hill HOAInc.
Courts of Four Seasons HOAInc. (The)
Courts of Springbrook HOAInc.
Courts of Towne Center HOAInc.
Courtyards at Rio Community Assn.Inc. (The)
Coventry West
Crawford Farm Homeowners AssociationInc.
Crawford Farm Townhouse AssociationInc.
Crestberry HOAInc. (The)
Crockett Lane Homeowners Association
Cypress HOAInc.
Damascus Manor Townhouse Assoc.Inc.
Damascus Valley HOAInc.
Damascus Valley Park Townhouse Assn.Inc.
Darnestown Knolls HOAInc.
Darnstown Hills HOA (See Pond Ridge HOA 1 Non filed)
Decoverly Adventure
Decoverly Community Assn.Inc.
Decoverly Community Assn.Inc.
Decoverly I Homeowners Assn.
Decoverly III HOAInc.
Decoverly III Townhouse Association
Decoverly IV Condominium
Decoverly IV Townhome Assn.Inc.
Deer Park Community Assn.Inc.
Deer Park Place HOA (from Hedrick)
Derwood Station HOA#2Inc.
Derwood Station HOAInc.
Derwood Station South HOAInc.(The)
Destiny Road Homeowners Assn.Inc.
Devonshire East Homeowners Assoc.
Devonshire HOAInc.
Diamond Farm Homes Corporation
Diamond Farms Village HOA
Doral Homeowners AssociationInc.
Dorsey Estates HOAInc.
Douglas Woods Community Assn.Inc.
Drumaldry Homes Assoc.Inc.
Drumaldry Oaks HOA
Drumaldry Oaks HOA
Dufief Homes Assn.Inc.
Dufief Manor HOAInc.
Dufief Mill Community Assn.Inc.(The)
Dufief Mill East CA Inc. is now Dufief Mill Estates HOA Inc.
Dufief Mill Estates HOA Inc. Was Dufief Mill East CA Inc.
Dumont Oaks Community Assoc.Inc.
East Edgemoor Homeowners (Property Owners) Assn.
East Gate I Homes Assn.Inc.(The)
East Gate II Homeowners Assoc.Inc.(The)
East Gate III Homes Assoc.Inc.. (The)
East Village Homes Corporation
Eastgate Homes Corporatin
Eastgate Homes Corporation
Eastgate IV Homes Assn.Inc.(The)
Echo Dale 1 see Bennington CA
Edgemoor Citizens AssociationInc.
Edinburgh Village HOAInc.
Eldwick Homes Assn.Inc.(The)
Elizabeth's Delight Community Association
Emory Grove Hills
Environ HOAInc.
Estates at Rivers Edge
Fairland Acres HOAInc.
Fairland Estates HOAInc.
Fairland Farms
Fairland Green AssociationInc. (The)
Fairland Park AssociationInc.
Fairland Ridge Townhouse Assn.Inc.
Fairland Ridge/Landfare?
Fairland Springs (HOA)
Falls Bend HOAInc.(The)
Falls Ridge Homeowners AssociationInc.
Fallsbend HOA
Fallsberry HOA Inc.(The)
Fallsgate HOA Inc.
Fallsmead Citizens AssociationInc. (The)
Fallsmead Homes Corporation
Fallsreach HOA Inc.(The)
Fallstone HOA Inc.
Fallswick HOA Inc.
Fernshire Farms HOA Inc.
First Aquarius Home Assn.Inc.(The)
Flint Hill Farm Estates
Flint Ledge Estates Comm. Assoc.Inc.
Flints Grove HOAInc.(The)
Flower Hill Central Corporation Inc.
Flower Hill North HOA Inc.
Flower Hill North II HOA Inc.
Forest Knolls Community Assn.Inc.
Fountain Hills Community Assn.Inc.
Fox Chapel Assn.Inc.(The)
Fox Chapel North Homes Assn.Inc.
Fox Den HOAInc.
Fox Hills Green Commmunity Assn.Inc.
Fox Hills North Comm. Assn.
Fox Hills West Citizen Assn.Inc.
Fox North Community Assn.
Foxborough at Grosvenor HOA
Foxhall Square (Townhouse) Assn.Inc.
Foxlake Community AssociationInc.
Foxwood Development HOA
Foxwood Home Owners Assn.Inc.
Gablefield
Gamewell Community Association
Garland Cooperative HomesInc.
Gateway Commons HOAInc.
Georgian Colonies Community Services Assn.Inc.(The)
Germantown Estates HOA
Germantown Place HOAInc.
Germantown Station Homeowners Association Inc.
Germantown Village HOA Inc.
Glen Homeowners Association Inc. (The)
Glen Mar Park Community Assn.
Glenarden Forest HOA Inc.
Glenbrooke
Glenfield North Assn.Inc.
Glenmont Station (HOA)
Goldsboro HOAInc.
Goshen Community Association (The)
Goshen Estates Homeowners Assn.Inc.
Goshen Homeowners Association
Goshen Manor Homeowners Association Inc.
Goshen Run HOA
Grace Church Court HOA
Great Pines Community Assoc.
Greater Aspen Hill Community Assn.Inc. (The)
Greater Glen Mill Community Assn.Inc.(The)
Green Acres Corporation
Green Acres1Glen Cove Community Assn.
Green Hill Farms
Greenbrook Estates HOA Inc.
Greencastle Lakes Comm. Assoc.
Greencastle Park Corporation
Greencastle Woods Comm. Assoc.
Greencastle Woods HOA (1)Inc.
Greenfield Station HOA Inc.
Greenridge Estates HOA Inc.
Grosvenor HOA Inc.
Grosvenor Park Homeowners Assn.Inc.
Grosvenor Park Townhouse Assoc.
Grosvenor Square HOA Inc.
Grosvenor Woods HOA Inc.
Gum Springs Farm Homeowners Assoc.
Gunners Lake Homeowners Association
Gunners Lake Village Association
Gunners View HOA Inc.
Haddonfield Homeowners Association Inc.
Hadley Farms Community Assn.Inc.
Hadley Farms Community Assn.Inc.
Hallmark Homeowners Assoc.Inc.
Hallmark Woods Propery Owners Assn.Inc.
Hallowell Farm
Hallowell HOAInc. (The)
Hamlet Citizens Assn. (of Chevy ChaseMd.)
Hamlet Place Owners Inc.
Hamlet Station HOA Inc.
Hampshire Greens HOA Inc.
Hampton Estates Homeowners Assoc.Inc.
Harding's Run (HOA)
Harvest Hunt Farm AssociationInc.
Harvest Knolls HOA Inc.
Heritage Farm HOA Inc.
Heritage Preserve Inc.
Heritage Walk Homes Corporation
Hickory Ridge
Hidden Orchard HOA Inc.
Highlands Homeowners Assn.Inc.The
Highlands of Harford Community HOA Inc.
Hillandale HOA
Hilltop Square HOA Inc.
Hollow Tree Farm HOA Inc.
Holly Point
Hollybrooke Community Assn.
Homecrest HOA
Homecrest II HOA Inc.
Homeland Village Community Assn.Inc.
Hunters Trace
Hunters Woods HOA
Hunting Hill Estates HOA Inc.
Hunting Ridge Community Assn.Inc.
Hunting Woods Homeowners Assoc.Inc.
Huntington Crest Homeowners Assoc.Inc.
Hyde Park Recreational Assoc.Inc.
Inverness Assn.Inc.
Inverness Forest Association Inc.
Inverness Forest Citizens Assn.
Inverness North HOA Inc.
Inverness Village
Iverleigh Community AssociationInc.
Iverleigh HOA Inc.
Jaystone Court HOA Inc.
Jefferson Place HOA Inc.
Jefferson Square HOA Inc.
Jonathans Trace HOA Inc.
Jones Hill HOA Inc.
Keeneland Homeowners Association Inc.
Kemp Mill Forest Community Association
Kemp Mill Homeowners Associaion
Kemp Mill Square HOA Inc.
Kensington Heights HOA Inc.
Kensington Mews HOA Inc
Kensington Ridge HOA Inc.
Kensington Woods HOA Inc.
Kentlands Citizens Assembly Inc.
Kentsdale Estates HOA Inc.
Kenwood Court Homes Association Inc.
Kenwood House Coop
Kimberleigh at Flower Hill HOA Inc.
Kimberleigh I Homeowners Assoc.Inc.
Kimberleigh II Homeowners Assoc.Inc.
Kimberly Woods TH Comm. Assn.
King Farm Citizens Assembly Inc.
King Farm Conservancy Inc.
Kings Bridge HOA Inc.
Kings Grant Recreation Assoc.Inc.
Kings Valley Manor Community Association
Kingsview Knolls
Kingsview Ridge Community Assn.Inc.
Kingsview Village HOA Inc.
Kinsman Farm HOA Inc.
Lake Hallowell HOA Inc.
Lakeforest Glen HOA Inc.
Landmark Station HOA Inc.
Layhill Square Homeowners Association
Layhill View HOA Inc.
Layhill View Section Two HOA Inc.
Layhill View Townhouse Assoc.Inc.
Laytonia Homeowners Association Inc.
Legend Crest Homeowners Association Inc.
Legend Hollow ? HOA
Leisure World Community Corp.Inc.
Limestone Court Homeowners Association
Linden Walk HOA Inc.
Littleford HOA Inc.
Llewellyn Fields HOA Inc.
Longdraft Estates HOA Inc.
Longmead Crossing Community Services Assn.Inc.
MacArthur Park HOA
MacArthur Park HOA Inc.
Mains HOA Inc.(The)
Manchester Farm Community Assn.Inc.
Manor Country ClubInc. (?Comm.Assn.)
Manor Lake HOA Inc.
Manor Oaks Neighborhood Assn.Inc.
Manor Ridge HOA Inc.
Manor Towne Mutual HomesInc.(The)
Manor Village Homes Assn.Inc. (The)
Maplewood Park HOA Inc.
Marion Woods Homeowners Assn.
Martin's Landing HOA Inc.
Marwood HOA Inc.
Maryland Farms Comm. Service Assn.Inc.
Maryland Place Homes Corporation
Mazza Wood HOA
Mazza Woods Citizens Assn.Inc.
McFarlin South Community Assn.Inc.
Meadow Creek HOA Inc.
Meadow Valley HOA Inc.
Meadowgate
Meadows at North Lake
Meadowvale HOA Inc.
Meadowvale West HOA Inc.
Melwood Springs Homeowner's Assn.Inc.
Merrimack Park HOA Inc.
Merry1Go1Round Clusters HOA Inc.
Merry1Go1Round Farm HOA Inc.
Middle Village Homes Corporation
Middlebridge Village HOA Inc.(The)
Middlebrook Commons HOA
Middlebrook Commons Townhouse Assn.Inc.
Middlebrook Hills Community Assn.
Middlebrook HOA Inc.
Middlebrook Manor North HOA Inc.
Middlebrook Manor South HOA Inc.
Milestone HOA. Inc.
Milestone Townhouse Assn.Inc.
Mill Creek Forest Community Assn.Inc.
Mill Creek Forest HOA Inc.
Mill Creek Towne East HOA Inc.
Mill Creek Towne West HOA Inc.
Millstone HOAInc. (The)
Mineral Springs HOA Inc.
Mineral Springs Village HOA Inc.
Montclair Manor HOA 2 Inc.
Montclair Manor HOA 3
Montclair Manor HOA Inc.
Montgomery Assn.Inc.
Montgomery CountyAshford HOA Inc.
Montgomery Highlands Estates HOA Inc.
Montgomery Highlands HOA Inc.
Montgomery Knolls Community Assn.Inc.
Montgomery Manor HOA Inc.
Montgomery Meadows HOA Inc.
Montgomery Mews Community Assn.Inc.
Montgomery Mutual Inc.
Montgomery Place Community Assn.Inc.
Montgomery Village Foundation (Umbrella)
Montgomery West HOA Inc.
Montrose Forest Homeowners Assoc Inc.
Montrose Village HOA
Montvale Homeowners Association Inc.
Morningside HOA Inc.
Mount Oak Manor HOA Inc.
Mountain Village HOA Inc.
Mountainview Estates HOA Inc.
Naples Homeowners Assoc.Inc.
Natalie Estates HOA Inc.
Needwood
Neelsville Estates HOA
New Mark Commons Homes AssociationInc.(The)
Newbridge Citizens Assn.Inc. (The)
Norbec Grove Community Assn.Inc.
Norbeck Chase Townhouse Assn.Inc.
Norbeck Crest (HOA?)
Norbeck Hills (Oaks) Homeowners Assoc.
Norbeck Hills HOA Inc.
Norbeck Hills Homes Inc.
Norbeck Manor HOA Inc.
Norbeck Woods Homeowners Assoc.
Normandie Farm Estates
Normandie Farm HOA Inc.
Normandy Falls HOA Inc.(The)
Normandy Hills HOA Inc.
North Bonifant Woods HOA
North Farm Citizens AssociationInc.
North Gate Hall Community Assn.Inc.
North Glen Hills Homeowners Assn.Inc.
North Kensington Mews Homes Assoc.
North Lake Village Federation Inc.
North Lake Woods HOAInc.
North Sherwood Forest HOA
North Village Homes Corporation
Northgate Homes Corporation
Norwood Village HOA
Oak Fair HOA Inc.
Oak Grove HOA Inc.
Oak Hollow Community Assn.Inc.
Oak Landing HOA Inc.
Oak Springs HOA
Oak Springs Townhome Owners Assn.
Oak Springs Townhouse Assn.Inc.
Oak Terrace HOA Inc.
Oakhills Community Assn.Inc.
Oakhurst Community Assn.Inc.
Oakhurst HOA Inc.
Oakland Mills Community Assn.Inc.
Oakview Knolls Townhouse Assn.
Oakwood Homeowners Assoc.Inc.
Oatland Farm HOA Inc.
Old Georgetown Village HOA Inc.
Olde Coach Square HOA Inc.(The)
Olde Potomac Park Comm. Assoc.Inc.
Olde Seneca Woods Community Assn.Inc.
Olney Crossing HOA Inc.
Olney Mill Community Assn.Inc.
Olney Oaks Single Family HOA Inc.
Olney Oaks Townhouse Association Inc.
Olney Square HOA Number 2 Inc.
Olney Square HOA Inc.
Olney Towne AssociationInc. (The)
Orange's HOA Inc.(The)
Orchard Glen HOA Inc.
Orchard Hills HOA Inc.
Orchard Knolls HOA Inc.
Orchard Place HOA Inc.
Orchard Valley HOA Inc.
Orchard View Community Assn.Inc.
Orchards Homeowners AssociationInc.(The)
Overbrook at Flower Hill HOA Inc.
Overlook at Northlake HOA Inc.(The)
Overlook Hills Homeowners Assoc.Inc.
Overlook HOA Inc.
Oxford Crossing
Paint Branch Park Condominium
Palisades AssociationInc.
Park Gate (HOA)
Park Overlook HOA Inc.
Park Place Association Inc.
Park Summit HOA Inc.
Park Terrace Homeowners Assoc.Inc.
Parker Farm HOA Inc.
Parkside at Flower Hill HOA Inc.
Patton Ridge Homes Corporation
Peachwood (Estates) HOA Inc.
Pembrooke Village HOA
Penbrooke Comm. Assn.Inc.
Penbrooke Community Assn.Inc.(The)
Persimmon Point Home Owners Assn.Inc.
Persimmon Tree Community Assn.Inc.
Pickwick Village HOA Inc.(The)
Plantations Community Assoc.Inc.
Plantations Two Community Association
Plaza Gardens Community Assn.Inc.
Plyers Mill Crossing HOA Inc.
Pond Ridge HOA (See Darnstown Hills HOA)
Poplar Springs HOA
Potomac Bend HOA Inc.
Potomac Chase Estates Citizens Assoc.
Potomac Chase HOA Inc.
Potomac Commons
Potomac Crest HOA Inc.
Potomac Crossing Homeowners Association Inc.
Potomac Estates HOA Inc.
Potomac Falls HOA Inc.
Potomac Farms HOA Inc.(The)
Potomac Fields HOA
Potomac Glen Community Assn.Inc.
Potomac Grant HOA Inc.
Potomac Grove HOA Inc.
Potomac Hills HOA Inc.
Potomac Hunt Run HOA Inc.
Potomac Manors HOA Inc.
Potomac Meadows HOA Inc.
Potomac Mews
Potomac Mill Farm HOA Inc.
Potomac Pointe HOA
Potomac Pond HOA Inc.
Potomac Ridge HOA Inc.
Potomac Station HOA Inc.
Potomac Towne HOA
Potomac Village HOA Inc. (Could be Villages of Potomac)
Pratt Station HOA Inc.
Preakness Drive HOA Inc.
Prescott at Avenel Assn.Inc.
Preserve at Small's Nursery HOA
Promenade Towers Mut. Housing Corp.
Quail Ridge Townhouse Association Inc.
Quail Run of Darnestown HOA Inc.
Quail Valley HOA Inc.
Quince Orchard Estates
Quince Orchard HOA Inc.
Quince Orchard Park Community Assn.Inc.
Quincehaven HOA Inc.
Ramblewood HOA Inc.
Rannoch Road HOA Inc.
Red Barn Lane HOA Inc.
Redgate Farms Comm. Association Inc.
Redland Crossing HOA Inc.
Redland Homeowners AssociationInc. (The)
Redland Station Homes Assn.Inc.(The)
Relda HOA Inc.
Relda Square HOA
Ridgefield CitizensInc.
Ridgeleigh Community Assn.Inc.(The)
Ridgeleigh HOA
Ridgeview Community Association
Ridgeview Estates HOA Inc.
Ridgeview Townhouse Assn.Inc.
Ridgewood Park HOA
River Falls Homeowners AssociationInc.
Riverhill HOA Inc.
Rivers Edge HOA Inc.
Riverside Terrace HOA Inc.
Riverwood HOA
Roberts Glen HOA
Robey Road Commuters Assn.Inc.
Rock Creek Hills HOA
Rock Creek Manor Comm. Assoc.Inc.
Rock Creek Palisades Citizens Assn.Inc.
Rockcrest Courts Assn.Inc.
Rockshire Association Inc.
Rolling Acres Community Assn.
Rolling Acres HOA Inc.
Rolling Spring(s) HOA Inc.
Rome Village HOA Inc.
Rosehill Falls Comm. Assoc.
Rosehill Falls Comm. Assoc. Use HOA 336
Rosemary Village Coopertive Inc.
Rosewood Estates HOA Inc.
Rosewood Manor Homeowners Association Inc.
Saddle Creek HOA
Saddle Creek Homeowners Assoc.Inc.
Saddlebrook AssociationInc.
Sandy Spring Meadow Owners' Assn.Inc.
Saybrooke HOA Inc.
Saybrooke II
Scientist's Cliffs Assn.Inc.(The)
Scotland Homeowners Association Inc.
Sedgewick Homeowners Association Inc.
Sedwick Home Association Inc.
Seek Court Townhome Association Inc.
Seneca Crossing Section I HOA Inc.
Seneca Crossing Section II HOA Inc.
Seneca Forest Community Association Inc.
Seneca Green Community Council Corp.
Seneca HOA Inc.
Seneca Mews HOA Inc.
Seneca Park HOA Inc.
Seneca Park North HOA Inc.
Seneca Whetstone HOA
Seven Locks Overlook Comm. Assoc.Inc.
Severn Run HOAInc.The
SGS Homeowners Association
Shady Grove Estates THA.Inc.
Shady Grove Estates THAII Inc.
Shady Grove III Comm. Assoc.Inc.
Shady Grove Recreation Assn.Inc. (The)
Shady Grove Station HOA Inc.
Shady Grove Station Sect.VIII HOA Inc.
Shady Grove Station Townhouse Assn.Inc.
Shady Grove Station West Civic Assn.Inc.
Shady Grove Village Community Council Corporation
Shady Grove Village Townhouse Assn.
Shady Grove Woods Homeowners Assoc.Inc.
Shaker Woods HOA
Shores at North Lake HOA Inc.(The)
Silver Hill Heights HOA Inc.
Silverwood HOA Inc.
Sligo Housing Corporation
Sligo1Branview Community Assn.Inc.
Snowden's Mill HOAInc.
Snowdens Mill Townhouse Assn.Inc.
Snowdens Ridge Townhouse Assn
South Ridge Homeowners Assoc.Inc.
South Village Homes Corp.
Spring Garden Estates HOA Inc.
Spring Lawn Farm HOA
Spring Mill HOA
Spring Oak Community Assn.
Spring Ridge Estates HOA Inc.
Spruce Tree Village
Stedwick Homes Corporation
Stephen Knolls HOA
Stephen Knolls Townhouse Community Assn.Inc.
Stonebridge HOA Inc.
Stonebridge Homeowners AssociationInc.
Stonecrest North IV
Stonecrest of Potomac HOA Inc.
Stonegate Homeowners Association
Stoneridge Community Council Corp.1Trading as Seneca Green
Community Council 2115194
Stoneridge Community Council Corporation Inc.
Stoneview HOA
Stoney Creek Knoll
Stoneybrook Homeowners Association Inc.
Storms Retreat 1 may be a subdivision
Strand Residences of Potomac Crest HOA Inc. (The)
Stratford KnollsSubdiv for Wexford HOA
Stratford Mews HOA Inc.
Stratford Square HOA Inc.
Stratford Woods Homeowners Association
Strathmore Bel1Pre Civic Assn.Inc.
Strathmore HOA
Strathmore Place Association Inc.
Stratton Court Townhouse Assoc.Inc.
Strawberry Knolls
Sudbury House Condominium Assoc.Inc.
Summerhill HOA1See Meadow Valley HOA Inc. HOA #175.
Summerhill HOA Inc.(The)
Summerhill Townhouse Assn.
Summit Hall Community Assn.
Sumner Village Community Assn.Inc.(The)
Sunnymeade HOA Inc.
Surratts Village HOA Inc.
Surrey Walk Homeowners Association.Inc.
Sussex House
Sweepstakes HOA Inc.
Tall Oaks at Goshen Hunt
Tally1HO Homeowners Assn.Inc.
Tanglewood Recreational Assoc.Inc.
Tanglewood Single1Family HOA Inc.
Tanterra Homeowners Assoc.Inc.
Tara Homeowners Association
Tartan Ridge HOA Inc.
Tattersall Woods HOA Inc.
Teversall HOAInc.(The)
Three Oaks Assn.Inc.
Thurston Community Assn.
Tilden Woods Citizens Assn.Inc.
Tilden Woods Park
Tildenwood HOA
Timberlawn
Timberlawn HOAInc.
Timberlawn South1Tuckerman Walk HOA Inc.
Timberline Townhouse Assn.Inc.
Timberwood HOAInc.
Timberwood on the ParkInc.
Tivoli Community Assoc.Inc.
Town and Country HOA Inc.
Towne Centre Place Owners' Assn.Inc.
Townes at Chestnut Oaks HOA Inc.
Townes at Environ
Townes at Walden HOA Inc.
Townes Portabello HOA (Potomac Estates HOA) ?
Treasure Oak Community Assoc.Inc.
Trophy Court HOA Inc.
Tuckerman Station HOA Inc.
Tuckerman Walk HOA
Turning Creek HOA Inc.
Twin Lakes HOA Inc.
University Towers Condominium
Valley Stream Estates HOA Inc.
Victoria Springs HOA Inc.
Village at Potomac HOA Inc. (The)
Village Gate HOA Inc.
Village Gate HOA Inc. (SEE 0105)
Village of James Creek HOA Inc.
Villages at Tower Oaks HOA Inc.
Vistas at Washingtonian Woods (HOA or Condo?)
Waddington Park HOA
Walnut Creek Homeowners Association
Walnut Creek Townhouse Association Inc.
Walnut Woods
Waring Station HOA Inc.
Warther Homes Association Inc.
Washington Square HOA Inc.
Washington Towne Homes Assn.
Washingtonian Center Assn.Inc. (The)
Washingtonian Towns HOA Inc.
Washingtonian Village
Washingtonian Woods HOA Inc.
Waterford Place HOA Inc.
Waters Landing Association Inc.
Watkins Meadow HOA Inc.
Watkins Mill HOA Inc.
Watkins Overlook ?
Wearing Station HOA ?
Wedgewood Court (1) Townhouse HOA #1
Wedgewood Court(2)TH HOA Assn. No 2 Inc.
Wesmond Townhouse Association Inc.
West Bethesda Park HOA Inc.
West Fairland Park Estates HOA Inc.
West Riding Citizens Association
Westchester Homeowners Assoc.Inc.
Westfarm HOA Inc.
Westlake Park Recreational Council Inc.
Westleigh Citizens Association
Westleigh Homeowners Association Inc.
Westleigh Towns HOA Inc.
Westwind HOAInc.
Westwood Court Townhouses Homeowners Assn.Inc.
Wetherstone HOA Inc.
Wexford HOA Inc.
Whetstone Homes Corporation
Williamsburg Assn.Inc.
Williamsburg Square Community Council Corp.
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"paghat" wrote in message
news
In article , "Vox Humana"
wrote:

"Julia Green" wrote in message
...
I believe Vox had said that there were hundreds in one *neighborhood.
That's an exaggeration.

No. Technically, someone else said that there were hundreds in a
community.
I pointed out that there were over 800 in Montgomery county. Maybe that
county is huge and 800 HOAs are so dispersed that they wouldn't be very
close to each other. I don't know. I doubt that there are 800 towns in
my
county. I would suspect that the 800 associations are clustered and not
evenly dispersed. There are over 40 million people living in about
200,000
communities governed by HOAs. From that standpoint, Montgomery County,
MD
would have a disproportionate number of these communities as compared
with
the nation as a whole.

Interesting that your method of argument is to tell a lie, have the lie
corrected, then tell it again. I've noticed a lot of rightwingers do that
-- just keep repeating the same lie over & over & over no matter how often
it is corrected.


You make me laugh out loud. I guess I am saying the same thing about your
claim that HOAs exist for to enforce segregation. Despite the fact that I
provided both the federal and California state laws that specifically
prohibit HOAs from discriminating, you keep yammering on as if you know what
you are talking about, as if the more you claim they discriminate, the more
it will be true. I'm sure that Clearchannel has a talk show slot with your
name on it. Maybe you can team up with Dr. Laura.

wrote in message
...
it was a metal fence and they dont consider a metal fence to be
decorative. Ingrid


Ok. I understand what you are saying. The interesting thing is that had
your mother lived in a typical HOA controlled development, she would have
needed approval for any fence. When she submitted her application for the
fence they would have denied the fence because it didn't meet the standards.
That would have saved her a lot of problems. I'm still not clear if you
think that all zoning regulations should be abolished?

"Vox Humana" wrote in message

I see that here, but not to the extent that is in a highly developed area
like the DC suburbs.

I don't understand your point--sorry. Could you rephrase?

On Sun, 08 Jun 2003 09:24:32 -0700, (paghat)
wrote:

200 the
previous liar


ata girl, couldn't find the numbers so I'm a liar....whatever!

On Sun, 08 Jun 2003 12:53:05 -0500, zxcvbob wrote:

t?

Wondering what Pag's real agenda is,
Bob

Pumping her vile shit out so she doesn't have to smell it as it rots inside of
her.

paghat wrote:

In article , zxcvbob
wrote:


paghat wrote:


[huge snip]

Clearly you people have got to be stopped!
[snipped a *bunch* more]

"You people"? Isn't that a code word for exactly the same kind of
segregation you're ranting about?

Wondering what Pag's real agenda is,
Bob


If you're one of those loons worried I'm out to see the demise of all
white people, stop worryin', that wouldn't be so good for my white ass
either.

-paghat

I actually agree with you that HOA's have more potential for abuse than for
good; with people signing away properties rights that they don't think
they'll need, then the situation changes and they are screwed.

But your ranting about whitey using HOA's to keep jews and ******s out are
ridiculous. But I think I've at least figured out where you're coming
from. You've got the [Middle Class Liberal] "Well Intentioned Blues." (I
wonder if anyone recognizes the obscure musical reference.)

Best regards, :-)
Bob

--
"I wish I was a Negro, with lots of Negro soul,
So I could stay true to my ethnic group and still play rock 'n' roll..."

"Julia Green" wrote in message
...

"Vox Humana" wrote in message

I see that here, but not to the extent that is in a highly developed
area
like the DC suburbs.

I don't understand your point--sorry. Could you rephrase?



You said:
"Each little neighborhood in M.V. has its own little HOA and there
are a ton of little neighborhoods in M.V."

I see some areas where I live like that. There is an area with several
neighborhoods and each has a HOA. This is not the rule however. What is
more common here is for a mixture of neighborhoods. Some have HOAs and some
don't.

"Vox Humana" wrote in message
You said:
"Each little neighborhood in M.V. has its own little HOA and there
are a ton of little neighborhoods in M.V."

I see some areas where I live like that. There is an area with several
neighborhoods and each has a HOA. This is not the rule however. What is
more common here is for a mixture of neighborhoods. Some have HOAs and
some
don't.


Oh, right. Montgomery Village is a very large planned community (sort of
like the nearby Columbia, MD, the granddaddy of planned communities) and so
planning and control is their thing. HOAs are a given for every
neighborhood in M.V.

In article ,
Julia Green wrote:

"Vox Humana" wrote in message
You said:
"Each little neighborhood in M.V. has its own little HOA and there
are a ton of little neighborhoods in M.V."

I see some areas where I live like that. There is an area with several
neighborhoods and each has a HOA. This is not the rule however. What is
more common here is for a mixture of neighborhoods. Some have HOAs and
some
don't.


Oh, right. Montgomery Village is a very large planned community (sort of
like the nearby Columbia, MD, the granddaddy of planned communities) and so
planning and control is their thing. HOAs are a given for every
neighborhood in M.V.




Heh. That reminds me of one of my favorite Montgomery Village stories.
I own a Ford Ranger pickup with a shell over the bed. One night I went
to a party in MV which lasted well into the night. A week or so later,
I got a very nasty letter from some homeowners association nazi telling
me that it was against homeowners association rules for pickups to be
parked in the area at night, and if they caught me there again they would
have me ticketed and towed. Of course, the SUVs were fine, as were the
junker sedans.

I couldn't help but wonder how they would have handled a
Chevy Avalanche. It's OK -- no it's not -- it's OK -- no it's not.
The HOA nazi must be having a tizzy fit.


billo

"Bill Oliver" wrote in message

Heh. That reminds me of one of my favorite Montgomery Village stories.
I own a Ford Ranger pickup with a shell over the bed. One night I went
to a party in MV which lasted well into the night. A week or so later,
I got a very nasty letter from some homeowners association nazi telling
me that it was against homeowners association rules for pickups to be
parked in the area at night, and if they caught me there again they would
have me ticketed and towed. Of course, the SUVs were fine, as were the
junker sedans.

I couldn't help but wonder how they would have handled a
Chevy Avalanche. It's OK -- no it's not -- it's OK -- no it's not.
The HOA nazi must be having a tizzy fit.

God, that is SO like them! As I've said before, there are some people in
SERIOUS need of getting a life!

The Chevy Avalanche will probably drive some of those NANs to a nervous
breakdown bg.

Oh loady loady, it's even worse than I've been saying. Here's a bad one
for sure, & alas it applies FEDERALLY:

In Meyer vs Holy, the Supreme Court made a unanimous & unfortunate
clarification regarding HOA discrimination against minorities. The Supreme
Court found that damages cannot be recovered from any officer or owner
within a HOA whose agents or volunteers are in conflict with the Fair
Housing Act refusing as a matter of policy to sell to Jews, blacks, or
other minorities.

Despite efforts of recent legislation especially in California & Florida &
in a few other places to make the Fair Housing Act apply to HOAs, a case
finally makes it to the Supreme Court & they once again confirm methods by
which HOAs to be now what they have always been in the past, racist &
discriminatory! One might sue to change the language of a charter or
covenant, without effecting deeds. Only if a corporate officer personally
involves himself in the discrimination is there even a slim chance of
prosecution -- any agent or volunteer acting for the HOA, by contrast, is
now protected against litigation. So the racist status quo wins again!
The government gets to boast about having the Fair Housing Act, but honky
rednecks in their HOA enclaves can go on doing as they please.

The Supreme Court decision overturned a federal appeals court ruling that
applied the full letter of the Fair Housing Act even to HOAs. Civil Rights
inroads again reversed by conservatives!

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

In article , "Julia Green"
wrote:

"Vox Humana" wrote in message
You said:
"Each little neighborhood in M.V. has its own little HOA and there
are a ton of little neighborhoods in M.V."

I see some areas where I live like that. There is an area with several
neighborhoods and each has a HOA. This is not the rule however. What is
more common here is for a mixture of neighborhoods. Some have HOAs and
some
don't.


Oh, right. Montgomery Village is a very large planned community (sort of
like the nearby Columbia, MD, the granddaddy of planned communities) and so
planning and control is their thing. HOAs are a given for every
neighborhood in M.V.

As it turns out, Montgomery Village has far fewer actual Homeowner
Associations than Vox has invented for the area, & virtually nothing she's
posted in this thread about Montgomery has much of truth to it. Some may
really not know what a HOA is & seriously but wrongly believed a Home
Corporation is the same thing; but I think Vox knows better -- having
posted a link to 800 alleged HOAs in Virginia, Washington D.C., & Maryland
(most of which weren't even HOAs), claiming these far-ranging condo,
townhouse, & corporate-run apartments & houses (many of them rentals) were
all local to Montomery Village HOAs -- well, had she made that "error" as
just one more of her persistant & amazing errors of fact by "mere"
mistake, she would have apologized for having unintentionally misled (as
Tom halfheartedly & backhandedly apologized for not knowing what he was
talking about); but for Vox it seems to have been a conscious lie
reinforced by further lying, including the inference that Montgomery
Village per se has a "ton" of little neighborhoods all run by HOAs. Unless
she means even one condo easily weighs more than a ton, then she's just
lying, though from a liar's point of view saying "tons of" is so
non-specific she can make up anything at random thereafter, & pretend it's
not EXACTLY a lie.

Here's the truth, taken from the Montogmery Village Homes Corp, an
umbrella organization of incorporated housing districts, few of which are
run by HOAs per se. Legally these are mostly Homes Corporations though
frequently misnomered Homeowners Associations, & though on "lists of
hundreds" across multi-counties & multi-cities or multi-states these are
included alongside actual HOAs, they are vastly different as legal
entities. Even including them, one gets dozens rather than hundreds of
incorporated residential entites in a given region, far fewer than Vox
says, & in Montogery Village per se, it turns out that these incorporated
neighborhoods are primary townhouses often associated with high-density
low-quality housing, are widely regarded as pretty ****-poor places to
live unless you're too old to go outside, young & newly married with a kid
& can't afford better, or simply don't have the stamina or good taste to
find a better place to live.

To pump up Vox's dream-vision of a world ruled by hundreds of HOAs all
over town, she has included Condominium Associations few of which are
incoporated as "neighborhoods" but only as business entitites; she
includes combination rental & buyer housing projects & townhouses which
are incorporated as BUSINESSES not as neighborhoods & are more accurately
called Home Corporations, not Homeowner Associations, because they're
rarely run by the owners (& renters) but are run by the developers or by
a big company that specializes in orchestrating garbage pick-up &
enforcing covenants for the developers rather than for the inhabitants of
the apartment houses & homes. Many homeowners & renters don't even know
they live within a Home Corporation area, the Corporation impinges on
property rights much less noticeably than do HOAs, as there are no HOA
activists to harrass & terrorize whoever has a basketball hoop or too tall
of a hedge or for being Malaysian instead of white. Home Corporations do
get unreasonable at times but not generally over race & religion, more on
the same bases that landlords are mostly assholes or they wouldn't even
WANT control of other peoples' living spaces.

The number of neighborhoods actually incorporated to be governed by
Homeowners Associations per se are relatively few, & a huge number of
those date to the late 1950s & early 1960s in look-alike tickytacky
housing projects aimed at selling to families that qualified for GI
homeloans, in outlying areas at the time completely open to cheap new
development, & those which were established to be HOA run were indeed
invariably white only. Older neighborhoods that weren't built explicitly
to be HOA operated CANNOT be & never are retroactively incorporated to be
run by HOAs, but many have instead Neighborhood Associations that are not
incorporated & are not legally self-governing entities & usually don't
harrass each other in any manner unless you run a crackhouse. A volunteer
in a Neighborhood Association would likely come by once or twice a month
to mow that arthritic old black woman's lawn since she cannot afford to
hire it done, whereas a HOA wouldn't let her live there in the first
place, & if she didn't get out of her sickbed & mow the lawn, they'd
categorize her as a miscreant & threaten & fine her until she has a heart
attack & they're finally free of her.

In the Home Corporations that are more common than HOAs in Montgomery
Village, there are covenants that address care of the house & yard, as
defined on the deed itself rather than by any charter or continuously
changing HOA stormtrooper list of commandments. This means a disgruntled
neighbor can report their dislike of an unmowed lawn to the Corporate
headquarters, not to a HOA, & the business corporation may correct the
matter if they deem it serious enough. Deed covenants cannot have
enforcible restrictions on race, age, or religion the way incorporated
HOAs can. Maryland legislation permits Home Corporations to police, fine &
enforce the changeless deed covenants, but they are not empowered to be
menaces to the homeowners the way HOAs so easily turn into menaces toward
each other & especially against minorities.

So when speaking of the racist institution of HOAs one cannot include
Condominium Associations that are not self-governing corporations,
Neighborhood Associations which are not corporations at any level, & Homes
Corporations. Vox has included them in order to muddle the issue & pump up
the numbers & cite restrictions on Home Corporations which must adhere to
Fair Housing in ways HOAs do not.

An incorporated neighborhood created as a legally semi-independent
self-governed housing project, & run by an actual Homeowners Association,
is a product of racist agendas always preserving the option (whether or
not activated) of keeping out "inappropriate" races or religions or age
ranges. This cannot be done by Homes Corporations unless the developer (or
corporate holder) breaks the law to do so, nor by Neighborhood
Associations which are volunteers in a normal & usually much healthier
ordinary neighborhood.

Nor is any genuinely attractive city neighborhood with Victorians apt ever
to be incorporated & HOA run, because the nicer urban neighborhoods were
not often built all at one time as housing projects. HOA-run gated
communities only rarely predate the Civil Rights era which is what induced
the white racist movement in the first place, at a time when the spaces
outside of cities were changing from farms & woodlands to sprawling
suburbs because every GI was governmentally assisted in buying a home.
This government-sponsored suburban explosion happened simultaneously with
the Civil Rights movement. The end result was whites abandoning the inner
city, but even black GIs found they could not buy houses in the 'burbs
due to a combination of redlining & HOA filtering mechanisms & so on, thus
inner city neighborhoods in larger cities became black neighborhoods, &
incorporated housing projects in the hinterlands developed from the
ground-up as all-white. Older self-segregated white communities could
sustain their infamy through covenants & did not require incorporation,
but as those covenants by stages became decreasingly enforcible under law,
the incorporated HOAs arose to take their place so that honkies could
still discriminate with abandon. This was also the beginning of the "two
car family" (make that "two car white family") because when whites
self-segregated to the suburbs they actually left the better neighborhods
to the minorities, & whites were virtual exiles in shitland & without two
cars whoever stayed home (usually the mom) was a prisoner for half of each
day.

Some of the 1950s HOA neighborhoods are today extremely deteriorated,
incorporation has been abandoned, & one finds that the old racist
neighborhoods are today owned by a high percentage immigrants who can't as
yet afford better housing. But even when those neighborhoods were brand
new, they weren't much to boast of, unless you were a Bob Dobbs
worshipper.

Here is an absolute number: INCLUDING Home Corporations, limited equity
coops, & Condo Associations along with actual HOA neighborhoods, there are
a total of 230,000 of these TOTAL in the continental United States,
according to the Community Association Lawletter, Summer 2002. The
Lawletter notes that it is because of these incorporated enclaves that
increasing numbers of neighbor battles are ending up in courts -- HOAs
increase rather than decrease neighbor wars that require civil court &
criminal proceedings to sort out. But note the 230,000 numer includes
single-building condo associations & townhouses, rentals as well as
owner-based corporations, & other kinds of legal neighborhood entitites.
The far fewer number of actual neighborhoods of single family dwellings I
could not find, & the smaller still percentage of those which are
incorporated to be self-governed by HOAs rather than from outside the
neighborhood by developer corporations also not available. The ones that
have racist privileges under law are the Coops (which are actually very
few in number & some regions have none at all) & the incorporated
self-governing HOAs. The other categories do not have racist options or
privileges permitted under law.

-paghat the ratgirl

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

Here are some recent examples of typical conflicts between HOAs &
individual members within the HOA government; these show how ignorant &
churlish HOAs are on average. Some of these cases are more crazy-ass as
than others, but none are 100% reasonable either. I've not picked out the
cases that make HOAs look the stupidest -- they are NEVER in court for
reasons other than those which are churlish & picky & vendetta-driven
suing over tiny things. These cases really are representative of how far
these nutball HOAs will pursue things of little or no real consequence or
value. The cases really do "at biggest" amount to hating someone's
basketball hoop or television antenna, or even dumber shit. What HOAs need
is a way of fining jerkwad HOA activists who harrass their neighbors to
the point of dragging them into courtrooms over nothin'.

Village of Pheasant Run Homeowners Association v. Kasto in Texas took one
of their homeowners to court for violating architectural restrictions AND
WON. What was Kasto's courtroom-worthy crime? Painted the front door blue!
Seems the HOA had an enforceable regulation requiring written permission
to paint your house under any circumstance whatsoever, in part or in
whole, a good color or a bad color. Without written permission, they can
punish you. And will.

Turudic v. Susan Estates Homeowners Association in Oregon, the HOA tried
to define what was an appropriate pet, banning certain breeds of dogs for
instance. So one of their members had two tame cougars. Well ha ha, the
court said HOAs cannot pass rules against pets. (The State could, but
hasn't.) I recommend everyone annoyed with their dumbass totalitarian HOA
get themselves a really big wild animal for a pet! That'll fix those
racist wouldbe stormtrooping arseholes.

Here's a weird one. A bill was introduced into the into the Maryland House
Committee that would permit individuals within HOA districts to put up the
American flag if they wanted (some HOAs ban flag displays!). The
legislation, however, was rejected, so in Maryland still, if you want to
put a removable flag on the front of your house for the 4th of July, Labor
Day, Memorial Day, D-Day, or because Bushy is waging war, for any reason
whatsoever -- the HOA can enforce their rule saying you can't. This is a
weird one to me because HOAs are usually such conservative racist entities
one would expect them to encourage even the Confederate flag. I live in a
military town, where the idea of banning the American flag is truly alien!
So even conservative patriots aren't safe from HOA assholiness.

A new ammendment to the Maryland Condominium Act permits incorporated
housing entities to pass new regulations without a quorum. Now that one
crazy **** who is trying to rule everyone else's life doesn't have to have
ANYone agree with him -- he just has to discourage you from showing up at
the meeting in which he decides it's from now on illegal for you to grow
tomatos.

Chestnut Real Estate Partnership v. Huber. In an incorporated retirement
community someone had the audacity of putting up a garden shed. The
covenant said no structures could be built -- none, not even a small one
for some tools. The court upheld the incorporated partnership's regulation
& furthermore transferred to the retiree all court costs -- so Huber had
to get rid of his garden shed AND pay the corporation attorneys $27,000.
The judge said it was not necessary to prove any harm or injury or damage
or to show that the garden shed was in any way inappropriate other than
the Huber in buying into the enclave had agreed to build no buildings.
Note at least this wasn't a HOA per se, it was one of the other types of
legal entities Vox has kept miscontruing as HOAs -- but I couldn't resist
including this example of the amazing injustice successfully executed even
by the lesser-empowered corporations.

In Woods Homeowners Association v. Muravchik, the HOA sued because a
member was in violation of a ban against having signs anywhere on any
property. In this insane case the "sign" was a self-employed member's
company logo on the side of his van. Parking the van in his own driveway
constituted a "sign" on his property. Case upheld! Curiously the HOA had
neglected to ban signs on the street, so until they managed to add another
draconian regulation, poor Muravchik (the court pointed out) could park on
the street so long as he did not violate city ordinances (the city did
also ban signs on the street, but unlike the crazyass HOA did not include
a company logo on a van as a "sign.") The HOA was royally cheezed off that
they could only stop him from parking on his own property.

In Craninger v. Overbrook at Flower Hill Homeowners Association, the HOA
destroyed the private property of Craninger (a basketball hoop) because he
had placed it in an area used by children as a playground, but basketball
hoops were banned on HOA common property. The court held that the HOA did
have the legal right to keep children from playing basketball in the
playground area, but did not have the right to destroy private property,
so made the HOA pay Craninger $320 so he could buy a replacement which,
however, since it could only be used on his own tarmak, was of no use to
the neighborhood children who had used the one the HOA destroyed, those
small-minded vicious & par-for-the-course Voxamatic types!

In Montgomery Village Foundation v. Ellis, a Home Association (not a
Homeowners Association however) sought to enforce in the courts a
regulation banning private trucks. Montgomery Village Foundation is an
enforcing agency serving a number of Homeowner & Home Associations & Condo
Associations, & do not do this unless members of the neighborhood involved
insist. But once committed, they didn't care if the regulation was
nonsensical. The covenants did permit vans, Winebagos, huge honking-ass
utility vehicles -- but all Ellis had was a small pick-up truck. The court
found that the regulation was stupid & unenforceable since giant RVs were
permitted, & Ellis's tiny pick-up was a new & well-kept & on no rational
basis of any harm to anyone. The courts' decision, however, didn't mean
incorporated housing areas couldn't ban EVERYthing bigger than a Lovebug
&make EVERYone get rid of their vehicles, but only going after Ellis's
little pick-up was not going to be allowed.

In the FCC case of "The Matter of Victor Frankfurt," in Illinois, a
Townhouse Association sued to force Victor to remove his television
antenna, on the trumped up basis of it violating a safety regulation of
the Association. This was one of "Take your antenna down or we'll sue
you!" cases that made it to the FCC, another in Arizona regarding a fixed
signal antenna for wireless internest access. In both cases the
Associations were informed their regulations in no wise effectively
addressed safety issues, & if the antennas were in FCC compliance, the
Association could not force an antenna to be removed.

In Paytas v. Edgewood Community Association, an intransegent Home
Association would not stop demanding Paytas remove a stationary basketball
hoop from his property. Paytas was able to document 28 cases of basketball
hoops in the neighborhood that no one complained about. The court found
there was no physical reason to distinguish between the one which was
installed on a pole stuck in the ground, from the others which were
mounted on weighted stands, & yet another Basketball Hoop War was found to
be the result exclusively of HOA unreasonableness & in this case a very
unwise attempt at selective enforcement. The court disapproved of the
selective enforcement, however, & if the unreasonableness had been evenly
applied to everyone, they could've gotten away with it.

In Fairland Park Homeowners Association v. Gebreyese, a homeowner
installed a skylight which so damaged the neighborhood it took three years
for anyone to even notice. Then the HOA decided the skylight violated
architectural restrictions & took Gebreyese to the county commission. The
Commission concuded that the HOA did have the right to limit skylights but
since it took them three years to even notice, Gebreyese had three years
to either remove the skylights or move them to the back of the house where
HOA gripers couldn't see them.

Inverness Forest Association, Inc. v. Notter. Notter replaced four of her
windows with better ones, but failed to get written permission from the
HOA. Though there was nothing wrong with the new windows, the HOA had
protocol to uphold, & took it to the Mongomery county commission, which
ruled that sure enough, that was HOA protocol, & Notter had to restore the
inferior windows.

In D¹Aoust v. Quince Haven Homeowners Association, the HOA's ban on
architectural changes was extended to include window decorating that
looked like stained glass. Since the decoration was visible from the
street it was not permitted. The Mongomery County Commission again
concluded the HOA could indeed restrict window decorations in someone's
private residence!

By contrast, in Vojciech Fizyta v. Quince Haven Homeowners Association,
the HOA's attempt to restrict decorations inside a homeowner's house, but
which were not visible from the street, was deemed unenforcible.

--
"Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher.
"Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature.
-from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers"
See the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com/

"paghat" wrote in message
but for Vox it seems to have been a conscious lie
reinforced by further lying, including the inference that Montgomery
Village per se has a "ton" of little neighborhoods all run by HOAs. Unless
she means even one condo easily weighs more than a ton, then she's just
lying, though from a liar's point of view saying "tons of" is so
non-specific she can make up anything at random thereafter, & pretend it's
not EXACTLY a lie.

I referred to "a ton" of little neighborhoods. I confess I was not
distinguishing between HOAs and developer corporations. When I lived there,
most of the condo and townhouse neighborhoods were mixed between owned and
rented. I just assumed they were all run by HOAs. When we lived in a
neighborhood of single-family colonials, we had neighbors who seemed to
delight in, as I said, skulking around, looking for violations.