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			<title>Skynews: Australian Scientist built 24KW magnetic generator (never stops) for his hom</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:06:46 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>SKYNEWS VIDEO:
http://www.33energy.com/youtube.html

from the article: ... A Zero point magnetic power generator is basically a Free Energy Generator. It uses...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>SKYNEWS VIDEO:<br />
<a href="http://www.33energy.com/youtube.html" target="_blank">http://www.33energy.com/youtube.html</a><br />
<br />
from the article: ... A Zero point magnetic power generator is basically a Free Energy Generator. It uses magnets, and magnetic force to induce motion.<br />
It runs by itself, indefinitely without stopping, thus creating completely free electrical energy... this device refers to a machine that runs and produces<br />
a larger amount of energy than it consumes. ...<br />
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			<title>Lyrebirds!!!!</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:35:11 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[I've seen, much to my dismay, a lyrebird in the garden.  I'd been
wondering what had been scratching and my worst fears have been
realised. I've watched as a...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I've seen, much to my dismay, a lyrebird in the garden.  I'd been<br />
wondering what had been scratching and my worst fears have been<br />
realised. I've watched as a neighbour finally gave up trying to have a<br />
garden because of the birds. I wonder if there's anything I can do<br />
which might deter them?  I'd hate to see 10 years of work and planting<br />
destroyed.<br />
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			<title><![CDATA[Why I'm glad we live in australia. Fauna warning!]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 01:46:04 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Before reading this please take care of any toiletries:
You may regret not doing so when reading this.
You should also warn you partner that youre about to...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Before reading this please take care of any toiletries:<br />
You may regret not doing so when reading this.<br />
You should also warn you partner that youre about to read something that may <br />
leave you hysterical for some minutes.<br />
It may put you of Biking in america.<br />
You have been warned!<br />
Neighborhood Hazard<br />
(or: Why the Cops Won't Patrol Brice Street)<br />
I never dreamed slowly cruising through a residential neighborhood could be <br />
so incredibly dangerous!<br />
<br />
Studies have shown that motorcycling requires more decisions per second, and <br />
more sheer data processing than nearly any other common activity or sport. <br />
The reactions and accurate decision making abilities needed have been <br />
likened to the reactions of fighter pilots! The consequences of bad <br />
decisions or poor situational awareness are pretty much the same for both <br />
groups too.<br />
<br />
Occasionally, as a rider I have caught myself starting to make bad or late <br />
decisions while riding. In flight training, my instructors called this being <br />
&quot;behind the power curve&quot;. It is a mark of experience that when this begins <br />
to happen, the rider recognizes the situation, and more importantly, does <br />
something about it. A short break, a meal, or even a gas stop can set things <br />
right again as it gives the brain a chance to catch up.<br />
<br />
Good, accurate, and timely decisions are essential when riding a <br />
motorcycle.at least if you want to remain among the living. In short, the <br />
brain needs to keep up with the machine.<br />
<br />
I had been banging around the roads of east Texas and as I headed back into <br />
Dallas, found myself in very heavy, high-speed traffic on the freeways. <br />
Normally, this is not a problem, I commute in these conditions daily, but <br />
suddenly I was nearly run down by a cage that decided it needed my lane more <br />
than I did. This is not normally a big deal either, as it happens around <br />
here often, but usually I can accurately predict which drivers are not <br />
paying attention and avoid them before we are even close. This one I missed <br />
seeing until it was nearly too late, and as I took evasive action I nearly <br />
broadsided another car that I was not even aware was there!<br />
<br />
Two bad decisions and insufficient situational awareness.all within seconds. <br />
I was behind the power curve. Time to get off the freeway.<br />
<br />
I hit the next exit, and as I was in an area I knew pretty well, headed <br />
through a few big residential neighborhoods as a new route home. As I turned <br />
onto the nearly empty streets I opened the visor on my full-face helmet to <br />
help get some air. I figured some slow riding through the quiet surface <br />
streets would give me time to relax, think, and regain that &quot;edge&quot; so <br />
frequently required when riding.<br />
<br />
Little did I suspect.<br />
<br />
As I passed an oncoming car, a brown furry missile shot out from under it <br />
and tumbled to a stop immediately in front of me. It was a squirrel, and <br />
must have been trying to run across the road when it encountered the car. I <br />
really was not going very fast, but there was no time to brake or avoid <br />
it-it was that close.<br />
<br />
I hate to run over animals.and I really hate it on a motorcycle, but a <br />
squirrel should pose no danger to me. I barely had time to brace for the <br />
impact.<br />
<br />
Animal lovers, never fear. Squirrels can take care of themselves!<br />
<br />
Inches before impact, the squirrel flipped to his feet. He was standing on <br />
his hind legs and facing the oncoming Valkyrie with steadfast resolve in his <br />
little beady eyes. His mouth opened, and at the last possible second, he <br />
screamed and leapt! I am pretty sure the scream was squirrel for, &quot;Banzai!&quot; <br />
or maybe, &quot;Die you gravy-sucking, heathen scum!&quot; as the leap was spectacular <br />
and he flew over the windshield and impacted me squarely in the chest.<br />
<br />
Instantly he set upon me. If I did not know better I would have sworn he <br />
brought twenty of his little buddies along for the attack. Snarling, <br />
hissing, and tearing at my clothes, he was a frenzy of activity. As I was <br />
dressed only in a light t-shirt, summer riding gloves, and jeans this was a <br />
bit of a cause for concern. This furry little tornado was doing some damage!<br />
<br />
Picture a large man on a huge black and chrome cruiser, dressed in jeans, a <br />
t-shirt, and leather gloves puttering maybe 25mph down a quiet residential <br />
street.and in the fight of his life with a squirrel. And losing.<br />
<br />
I grabbed for him with my left hand and managed to snag his tail. With all <br />
my strength I flung the evil rodent off the left of the bike, almost running <br />
into the right curb as I recoiled from the throw.<br />
<br />
That should have done it. The matter should have ended right there. It <br />
really should have. The squirrel could have sailed into one of the <br />
pristinely kept yards and gone on about his business, and I could have <br />
headed home. No one would have been the wiser.<br />
<br />
But this was no ordinary squirrel. This was not even an ordinary ****ed-off <br />
squirrel.<br />
<br />
This was an evil attack squirrel of death!<br />
<br />
Somehow he caught my gloved finger with one of his little hands, and with <br />
the force of the throw swung around and with a resounding thump and an <br />
amazing impact he landed square on my back and resumed his rather <br />
anti-social and extremely distracting activities. He also managed to take my <br />
left glove with him!<br />
<br />
The situation was not improved. Not improved at all. His attacks were <br />
continuing, and now I could not reach him.<br />
<br />
I was startled to say the least. The combination of the force of the throw, <br />
only having one hand (the throttle hand) on the handlebars, and my jerking <br />
back unfortunately put a healthy twist through my right hand and into the <br />
throttle. A healthy twist on the throttle of a Valkyrie can only have one <br />
result. Torque. This is what the Valkyrie is made for, and she is very, very <br />
good at it.<br />
<br />
The engine roared as the front wheel left the pavement. The squirrel <br />
screamed in anger. The Valkyrie screamed in ecstasy. I screamed in.well.I <br />
just plain screamed.<br />
<br />
Now picture a large man on a huge black and chrome cruiser, dressed in <br />
jeans, a slightly squirrel torn t-shirt, and only one leather glove roaring <br />
at maybe 70mph and rapidly accelerating down a quiet residential street.on <br />
one wheel and with a demonic squirrel on his back. The man and the squirrel <br />
are both screaming bloody murder.<br />
<br />
With the sudden acceleration I was forced to put my other hand back on the <br />
handlebars and try to get control of the bike. This was leaving the mutant <br />
squirrel to his own devices, but I really did not want to crash into <br />
somebody's tree, house, or parked car. Also, I had not yet figured out how <br />
to release the throttle.my brain was just simply overloaded. I did manage to <br />
mash the back brake, but it had little affect against the massive power of <br />
the big cruiser.<br />
<br />
About this time the squirrel decided that I was not paying sufficient <br />
attention to this very serious battle (maybe he is a Scottish attack <br />
squirrel of death), and he came around my neck and got IN my full-face <br />
helmet with me. As the faceplate closed partway and he began hissing in my <br />
face I am quite sure my screaming changed tone and intensity. It seemed to <br />
have little affect on the squirrel however.<br />
<br />
The rpm's on The Dragon maxed out (I was not concerned about shifting at the <br />
moment) and her front end started to drop.<br />
<br />
Now picture the large man on the huge black and chrome cruiser, dressed in <br />
jeans, a very ragged torn t-shirt, and wearing one leather glove, roaring at <br />
probably 80mph, still on one wheel, with a large puffy squirrel's tail <br />
sticking out his mostly closed full-face helmet. By now the screams are <br />
probably getting a little hoarse.<br />
<br />
Finally I got the upper hand.I managed to grab his tail again, pulled him <br />
out of my helmet, and slung him to the left as hard as I could. This time it <br />
worked.sort-of. Spectacularly sort-of, so to speak.<br />
<br />
Picture the scene. You are a cop. You and your partner have pulled off on a <br />
quiet residential street and parked with your windows down to do some <br />
paperwork.<br />
<br />
Suddenly a large man on a huge black and chrome cruiser, dressed in jeans, a <br />
torn t-shirt flapping in the breeze, and wearing one leather glove, moving <br />
at probably 80mph on one wheel, and screaming bloody murder roars by and <br />
with all his strength throws a live squirrel grenade directly into your <br />
police car.<br />
<br />
I heard screams. They weren't mine...<br />
<br />
I managed to get the big motorcycle under directional control and dropped <br />
the front wheel to the ground. I then used maximum braking and skidded to a <br />
stop in a cloud of tire smoke at the stop sign at a busy cross street.<br />
<br />
I would have returned to fess up (and to get my glove back). I really would <br />
have. Really. But for two things. First, the cops did not seem interested or <br />
the slightest bit concerned about me at the moment. One of them was on his <br />
back in the front yard of the house they had been parked in front of and was <br />
rapidly crabbing backwards away from the patrol car. The other was standing <br />
in the street and was training a riot shotgun on the police cruiser.<br />
<br />
So the cops were not interested in me. They often insist to &quot;let the <br />
professionals handle it&quot; anyway. That was one thing. The other? Well, I <br />
swear I could see the squirrel, standing in the back window of the patrol <br />
car among shredded and flying pieces of foam and upholstery, and shaking his <br />
little fist at me. I think he was shooting me the finger.<br />
<br />
That is one dangerous squirrel. And now he has a patrol car.<br />
<br />
I took a deep breath, turned on my turn-signal, made an easy right turn, and <br />
sedately left the neighborhood.<br />
<br />
As for my easy and slow drive home? Screw it. Faced with a choice of 80mph <br />
cars and inattentive drivers, or the evil, demonic, attack squirrel of <br />
death...I'll take my chances with the freeway. Every time.<br />
<br />
And I'll buy myself a new pair of gloves.<br />
<br />
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			<title>Here is a real concern. Is it man made though?</title>
			<link>http://www.gardenbanter.co.uk/showthread.php?t=188184&amp;goto=newpost</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 05:53:30 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>The Greenland ice sheet is losing its mass faster than in previous years and 
making an increasing contribution to sea level rise, a study has...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>The Greenland ice sheet is losing its mass faster than in previous years and <br />
making an increasing contribution to sea level rise, a study has confirmed.<br />
<br />
Published in the journal Science, it has also given scientists a clearer <br />
view of why the sheet is shrinking.<br />
<br />
The team used weather data, satellite readings and models of ice sheet <br />
behavior to analyse the annual loss of 273 thousand million tonnes of ice.<br />
<br />
Melting of the entire sheet would raise sea levels globally by about 7m <br />
(20ft).<br />
<br />
<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8357537.stm" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8357537.stm</a> <br />
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			<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonno[_20_]]]></dc:creator>
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			<title>Re: Steve, Billy and others</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 05:47:10 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Charlie wrote:
> Came across this, and other links on the page, and found them very
> well produced.  Old news really, more detailed and more info, for
> video...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Charlie wrote:<font color="blue"><i><br />
&gt; Came across this, and other links on the page, and found them very<br />
&gt; well produced.  Old news really, more detailed and more info, for<br />
&gt; video production.  Link to dangers of aspartame use and other goodies.<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; <a href="http://personalgrowthcourses.net/video/gmo_food_genetically_modified" target="_blank">http://personalgrowthcourses.net/vid...cally_modified</a><br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; Thought you and Billy and a few others might find these educational<br />
&gt; and.....other things.<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; For those who don't, ya' might want to start researching and thinking<br />
&gt; about seedsaving.<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; Charlie</i></font><br />
<br />
Look at the other articles:<br />
<br />
<br />
Cold fusion<br />
UFOs<br />
Kennedy Assassinations<br />
Mind Control<br />
Aspatarme risks<br />
The Evils of inoculation<br />
...and on and on....<br />
<br />
<br />
The site is dedicated to Personal Growth Courses  Oh wow.  That is just <br />
boggling.  But wait there's more.  How about &quot;The Hidden Knowledge Course&quot;. <br />
Where is my robe and my athame?  Where is my power-charged crystal, my <br />
rabbit's foot, my car that runs on water......  Oh my goodness I must get <br />
some laying on of hands before I faint.<br />
<br />
&quot;Conspiracy Theories Old and New&quot; would be better.  &quot;Internet Hoaxes We Know <br />
and Love&quot; would be better still.<br />
<br />
I probably won't be able to post much more as &quot;they&quot; will be on to me.  They <br />
can trace you through the ether you know.  If in the next few days the <br />
person posting under my name is all sweetness and light and agrees with the <br />
last person who typed (no matter what they say) you will know &quot;they&quot; caught <br />
me and fitted a mind control helmet.  If you don't hear another word then I <br />
am being vivisected out about alpha centauri somewhere.<br />
<br />
Using this site as a reference for the risks of GMOs and the benefits of <br />
seed saving is doing that cause no good at all.<br />
<br />
David<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
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			<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Hare-Scott[_2_]]]></dc:creator>
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			<title>Restoring a Neglected Buffao Lawn!......</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:47:41 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Hi....Bazza from Sydney, Oz.......

I have predominately Buffalo Lawns both front and back...... They were once 
ALL buffalo, but having been neglected for a...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Hi....Bazza from Sydney, Oz.......<br />
<br />
I have predominately Buffalo Lawns both front and back...... They were once <br />
ALL buffalo, but having been neglected for a few years they now have much <br />
other things growing as well....Paspalum, Clover, etc..... Many weed killers <br />
will also kill the buffalo when used....<br />
<br />
I vaguely remember some years ago I used to use a mixture of sand with <br />
Sulphate of ammonia to kill the weeds.... It used to also brown off the <br />
Buffalo as well for a couple of weeks, and then grow quite fast as a deep <br />
green colour, and very lush!....I don't remember much about the times of <br />
application or even how much to use.... There may even be better ways to <br />
restore the lawns by removal of all except the Buffalo.....Can anyone offer <br />
suggestions?<br />
<br />
Regards...<br />
<br />
Bigbazza (Barry) Oz <br />
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			<title>Are we being conned (again)</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:06:00 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[>> Jonno wrote:
>>>>> Imagine 1 kilometre of atmosphere and we want to get rid of the
>>>>> carbon pollution in it created by human activity. Let's go for...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>&gt;&gt; Jonno wrote:<font color="blue"><i><font color="green"><i><font color="darkred"><i><br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Imagine 1 kilometre of atmosphere and we want to get rid of the<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; carbon pollution in it created by human activity. Let's go for a<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;  walk along it. The first 770 metres are Nitrogen.<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;  The next 210 metres are Oxygen.<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;  That's 980 metres of the 1 kilometre. 20 metres to go.<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;  The next 10 metres are water vapour. 10 metres left.<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;  9 metres are argon. Just 1 more metre.<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;  A few gases make up the first part of that last metre.<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;  The last 38 centimetres of the kilometre - that's carbon<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; dioxide. A bit over one foot.<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;  97% of that is produced by Mother Nature. It's natural.<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;  Out of our journey of one kilometre, there are just 12<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; millimetres left. Just over a centimetre - about half an inch.<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;  That's the amount of carbon dioxide that global human activity<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; puts into the atmosphere.<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;  And of those 12 millimetres Australia puts in .18 of a<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;  millimetre. Less than the thickness of a hair - out of a<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;  kilometre. As a hair is to a kilometre - so is Australia's<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; contribution to what Mr. Rudd calls &quot;Carbon Pollution&quot;.<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;  Imagine Brisbane's new Gateway Bridge, ready to be opened by Mr.<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Rudd. It's been polished, painted and scrubbed by an army of<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; workers till its 1 kilometre length is surgically clean. Except<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; that Mr. Rudd says we have a huge problem, the bridge is polluted<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; - there's a human hair on the roadway. We'd laugh ourselves silly.<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;  There are plenty of real pollution problems to worry about. It's<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; hard to imagine that Australia's contribution to carbon dioxide in<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; the world's atmosphere is one of the more pressing ones. And it's<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; also hard to believe that a new tax on everything is the only way<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;  to blow that pesky hair away. ETS is now being debated in Federal<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Parliament - is it too late for reality to prevail?.<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; This takes the prize for the most clumsy climate change denial<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; ******** I have ever seen.  That particular lobby of vested<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; interests has been responsible for some rank bovine ordure over the<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; last few years but this is outstanding.<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; If you really want to keep our lack-lustre pollies on the ball<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; understand the issues and force them to make better choices.  This<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; tract contributes nothing towards that aim.<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Try:<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; - not passing on little parables and arguments by analogy, they are<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; fuzzy and meaningless except when they are just plain wrong;<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; - thinking for yourself instead of copying other people's rubbish;<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; - learning some science or at least enough to understand a<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; scientist so you won't be taken in by this sort of crap and<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; - giving up on conspiracy theories, they are just an easy way out<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; of hard problems and really don't explain anything or provide any<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; useful course of action.<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; It puts some things into perspective perhaps.<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; I am into science, and computers, and mechanical equipment, and<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; weather patterns. One thing is for sure,<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; these scientists are either getting it wrong on purpose, or are a<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; branch of the weather department, who cant get it right from day to<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; day.</i></font><br />
&gt;&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt; You don't seem to understand the difference between climate and<br />
&gt;&gt; weather and the fact that predicting each is a quite separate<br />
&gt;&gt; problem so your interest in science has not been time well spent.<br />
&gt;&gt;<font color="darkred"><i><br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; They grandstand a likely scenario, and say its a fifty fifty chance<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; of less rain....Its truly unbelievable<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; The fact that the solar sunspot cycle is out of its normal pattern<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; is what I think is causing the extra heating the planet is<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; experiencing.</i></font><br />
&gt;&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt; This has been tested and debunked.  You could have found this out<br />
&gt;&gt; yourself if you had done some research.<br />
&gt;&gt;<font color="darkred"><i><br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; Instead of  blaming it on planetary pollution, (which there is too<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; much of) lets look at the real cause of global warming as the Sun.</i></font><br />
&gt;&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt; No it isn't.  This has also been debunked.<br />
&gt;&gt;<font color="darkred"><i><br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; Extreme taxing by governments seems to be revenue raising.</i></font><br />
&gt;&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt; This is an assumption and/or an emotional reaction.  Show me the<br />
&gt;&gt; evidence.<br />
&gt;&gt;<font color="darkred"><i><br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; Kevin himself mentioned the thousand or so who control out economy<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; overseas. Dare I mention America? I believe they're running on empty<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; there. So where is all this climate change guff coming from?<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; America.</i></font><br />
&gt;&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt; The scientific consensus that climate change is happening and is man<br />
&gt;&gt; made is international.  Try reading the reports from the UK, the<br />
&gt;&gt; IPCC and our own climatologists if you don't like America.<br />
&gt;&gt;<font color="darkred"><i><br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; Its no conspiracy theory, its factual that the countries most likely<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; to benefit from all of this are the ones who say the sky is falling.</i></font><br />
&gt;&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt; Saying it's not a conspiracy theory changes nothing.  Until you show<br />
&gt;&gt; me the evidence you are just making wild claims.  Lay out your case.<br />
&gt;&gt;<font color="darkred"><i><br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; Personal attack aside, what's your theory and solution?</i></font><br />
&gt;&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt; I said the quoted parable was ******** and gave some reasons why it<br />
&gt;&gt; isn't useful and you shouldn't have passed it on.  This is a<br />
&gt;&gt; personal attack?<br />
&gt;&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt; My view is to accept the overwhelming evidence of the experts who<br />
&gt;&gt; have spent their lives working on the problem and for the world to<br />
&gt;&gt; reverse the trend by reducing human generated emissions of<br />
&gt;&gt; greenhouse gases.  We need to get over burning fossil fuel and the<br />
&gt;&gt; sooner the better.  No I don't have any quick and easy method for<br />
&gt;&gt; doing that, it is going to be a long hard slog with many hard<br />
&gt;&gt; lessons to learn.<br />
&gt;&gt;<font color="darkred"><i><br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; My aim is to start a little bit of thought on this subject.</i></font><br />
&gt;&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt; You achieved the aim of being provocative but you have not<br />
&gt;&gt; contributed much thought.<br />
&gt;&gt;<font color="darkred"><i><br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; Whether this is a hare brained attempt, on my part, I don't know,<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt; but thanks for your input....<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;</i></font><br />
&gt;&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt; You initially gave no reasons or evidence just a lame parable<br />
&gt;&gt; containing a number of assumptions and errors.  I am interested to<br />
&gt;&gt; know its origin, where did you get it?  How much time did you put<br />
&gt;&gt; into verifying its content before you passed it on?  I am betting on<br />
&gt;&gt; none: you liked the message so you copied it for our benefit.<br />
&gt;&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt; You have now added some disproved fallacies and some conspiracies.<br />
&gt;&gt; This isn't any improvement.<br />
&gt;&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt; David<br />
&gt;&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt; PS please keep material in the order that it was typed or who said<br />
&gt;&gt; what and when is going to get very confused, ie don't top post.<br />
&gt;&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt; D</i></font><br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; An item by Mclean show us this is not crap but a believable natural<br />
&gt; event <a href="http://tinyurl.com/twisted-story" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/twisted-story</a></i></font><br />
<br />
The Mclean article is hardly convincing.  He is a climate-change contrarian <br />
who is criticising a paper (Vecchi et al) that says an aspect of the changes <br />
to ENSO events is man made.  Mclean says it's natural.  I am no <br />
climatologist but I cannot see in Mclean's paper where he provides any <br />
evidence about the cause of the event.  I cannot see where he shows that it <br />
has a natural cause.<br />
<br />
However before we get into technicalities of climatology (which I am not <br />
qualified to dissect in detail, I don't know about you) and taking up <br />
cudgels on behalf of one academic or the other, is it that important if <br />
Vecchi or Mclean are right on this point?  Does the whole structure of <br />
climate change stand or fall on this point?  Has Mclean demolished the whole <br />
thing in one stroke?  I don't think so.<br />
<br />
The evidence for climate change comes from many sources and from many <br />
studies by many scientists.  Not all the sources and scientists are in <br />
complete agreement over the details but the broad consensus (aside from the <br />
contrarians) is that climate change is happening and is man made.<br />
<br />
The parable that you posted to start all this doesn't address the issue <br />
either.  A quick read reveals two major flaws (there are probably others) <br />
where major assumptions are made and not supported.<br />
<br />
1) The analogy about the thickness of atmosphere assumes that a tiny amount <br />
of CO2 _cannot_ be significant.  It does this without dealing at all with <br />
how significance might be measured or whether or not it has been measured <br />
and what the result is.  I could produce a similar parable that illustrated <br />
what a tiny proportion of the human body a strike of brown snake venom is. <br />
Unless you know the lethal dose you are completely wasting your time showing <br />
that it is a tiny fraction of the body, it might still kill you.  Going back <br />
to the climate parable the author nowhere mentions what level of CO2 is ( <br />
the lethal dose) is harmful.<br />
<br />
2) The parable claims without attribution that 97% of airborne CO2 is not <br />
man made.  As far as I can see this is a claim from the wild blue yonder, I <br />
certainly cannot find support for it.  We would need to know where it comes <br />
from and what the relevant professionals say about it.  I suspect it is a <br />
fabrication.  If you can find any source for this please tell me.<br />
<br />
When quoting such things it is handy to know the author, you can then find <br />
out the source of the material and check it out to see if there is anything <br />
in it.  As it is, it is just unattributed propaganda.<br />
<br />
David<br />
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			<description><![CDATA[Hi all

It appears I may have the fruit piercing moth effecting my orange tree, does 
anyone have any suggestions on how to eradicate or lessen it's effects?
I...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Hi all<br />
<br />
It appears I may have the fruit piercing moth effecting my orange tree, does <br />
anyone have any suggestions on how to eradicate or lessen it's effects?<br />
I gathered this conclusion by some research on good ole google.<br />
Thanks<br />
Sandra <br />
<br />
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			<title>New lawn edging system</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[It's grey and raining (yea) and I was musing looking out the window at the 
grass growing (yea) when I had a flash-back to the lawn mowing skills of a...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>It's grey and raining (yea) and I was musing looking out the window at the <br />
grass growing (yea) when I had a flash-back to the lawn mowing skills of a <br />
previous neighbour.<br />
<br />
He liked gadgets and is something of an inventor, he could be famous one <br />
day, really.  So I shall call him the Inventor.  He built all sorts of <br />
interesting things in the garage involving engines, welding, fibreglass and <br />
oil.  You could usually tell when he was creating by the smell.  He wasn't <br />
much into gardening but used to keep the place looking neat.   The duplex <br />
that we shared had concrete paths and driveways, and there were some garden <br />
beds in the lawn.  He didn't have a line trimmer so he used to do the edges <br />
with shears and a cranky old wheel-trimmer.  One day he had a stroke of <br />
genius and this time his thoughts were well and truly outside the square.  I <br />
missed witnessing the feat by a couple of hours but saw the result and was <br />
told all about it.<br />
<br />
His wife was drawn out of the house, a rare event presaging matters of <br />
importance, to stand on the verandah to admire his handiwork.  He didn't <br />
have to say &quot;honey look what I've done&quot; as she could smell it as the house <br />
filled with smoke.  He had gone around the all edges with a watering can of <br />
petrol and then lit it.<br />
<br />
He had remembered to get rid of the watering can so it was mainly the edges <br />
of the grass and concrete that burned in a flash however some garden beds <br />
were edged more than usual.  Here and there singed rose bushes drooped. <br />
After things cooled and the smog dissipated each section of garden was <br />
outlined in black.  Have you ever seen one of those giant human outline <br />
figures cut into hillsides in some parts of the world?  This was much like <br />
that but with excessive eye shadow.<br />
<br />
The Inventor had a spare car which we once borrowed when ours was in for <br />
extended service.  We had been driving it for a day or two when we went to <br />
put petrol into it and found that it had no petrol cap but a ball of rag <br />
stuffed into the filling pipe.  We had been driving a Molotov cocktail <br />
around.  When we returned it he explained that this was due to the <br />
unavailability of petrol caps for the model which also explained why the car <br />
wasn't registered.  Not having noticed that it wasn't registered I nodded <br />
thoughtfully as I thanked him for his generosity.<br />
<br />
On the day of the great lawn edging we came home to find the Molotov <br />
cocktail parked in the driveway.  I have since wondered if it was there at <br />
ignition time or if it had been removed and returned.  I never asked as his <br />
wife assured us that the experiment would not be repeated.<br />
<br />
David<br />
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			<description><![CDATA[I have three young casuarinas near my fence line. I'm thinking of adding 
more garden beds along there, but that would entail piling about 40cm 
more soil on...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I have three young casuarinas near my fence line. I'm thinking of adding <br />
more garden beds along there, but that would entail piling about 40cm <br />
more soil on top of the casuarina roots to build up the beds. My husband <br />
reckons this will kill them. Since the trees are now about fifteen feet <br />
tall and doing well, I'd rather not do that. But I want my garden beds too!<br />
<br />
Any ideas? Solutions? Comments?<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Trish Brown {|:-}<br />
<br />
Newcastle, NSW, Australia<br />
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			<title>straw as mulch</title>
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			<description>I put an earlier post in and I should have said Lupin mulch not 
lucerne......
Sandra</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I put an earlier post in and I should have said Lupin mulch not <br />
lucerne......<br />
Sandra <br />
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			<description>Hi

I have seen bales of straw advertised and I was wondering if this would be 
fine to use as a mulch, as it is cheaper than lucerne mulch?
Thanks
Sandra</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Hi<br />
<br />
I have seen bales of straw advertised and I was wondering if this would be <br />
fine to use as a mulch, as it is cheaper than lucerne mulch?<br />
Thanks<br />
Sandra <br />
<br />
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			<title>anyone knows if LED grow lights can do a good job or not?</title>
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			<description>Hello, everyone,

Parus Co., Ltd, came from South Korea and now is the best manufacturer of LED grow lighting in Shanghai, China. We have over 5 years of...</description>
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<br />
Parus Co., Ltd, came from South Korea and now is the best manufacturer of LED grow lighting in Shanghai, China. We have over 5 years of experience in this field and had our technology patented in Korea. Parus grow lighting is totally different from what you can buy from elsewhere in the world. If use properly, an increased growth of the plant by 50% or above can be expected.<br />
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Lamp Angle: 120 °<br />
Recommended Coverage: PGL-PFL600 2-line for 3 sq m at a distance of 1m <br />
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<br />
We also have other items, if you’d like, I will be pleased to send the latest catalogue to you. <br />
<br />
Looking forward to hearing from you soon.<br />
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			<description>A handsome black bird has taken up residence in a shrub right next to the 
house about 4m from my bedroom window.  It has been sitting there most of 
the time...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>A handsome black bird has taken up residence in a shrub right next to the <br />
house about 4m from my bedroom window.  It has been sitting there most of <br />
the time for the last three days sometimes making an generic 'cheep cheep' <br />
call that is not very distinctive.  Then yesterday it experimentally made a <br />
'wurra wurra wuura' call which I recognised.  I headed straight for the bird <br />
book and there is his portrait - a male Koel.  We have called him Nat of <br />
course.<br />
<br />
This bird is frequently heard much more than seen in east coast gardens.  It <br />
is a migratory cuckoo that mates in spring around here and winters in the <br />
far north. The mating call, which carries for hundreds of metres, can be <br />
given all day and night.  Is the most irritating insistent crescendo of <br />
'wooooooooop wooooooooop WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP' over and over and over again. <br />
If he starts that in the middle of the night I am going to cut down the <br />
shrub.<br />
<br />
Nat is very wet and sorry for himself at the moment (it's raining yea!) and <br />
hasn't said a thing for hours.  I wonder if he could be bribed to stay <br />
quiet, perhaps some slices of mango, a big fat grub.....<br />
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David <br />
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