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			<title>Re: 1st Seed Catalog of the season</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:51:30 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[In article 
<6f218879-215f-445f-a2f0-38929431de22@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com>,
 villon <villon_2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Yep-
> just got the 1st seed catalog...]]></description>
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&gt;,<br />
 villon &gt; wrote:<br />
<font color="blue"><i><br />
&gt; Yep-<br />
&gt; just got the 1st seed catalog for 2010 - Pinetree Garden Seeds.<br />
&gt; I had some good luck with some of their seeds last year, and I like<br />
&gt; the fact that many of their seed packets are smaller (and cheaper!)<br />
&gt; than other mail-order firms. And it's printed on cheaper paper.<br />
&gt; Chas</i></font><br />
<br />
My first seed catalog also of the year also.<br />
Same one also - &quot;2010 Pine Tree Garden Seeds&quot;<br />
<br />
It seems just too early to get the catalogs. <br />
How much time does it take to check seed samples for viability?<br />
<br />
Spring is coming soon -- NOT!<br />
<br />
Enjoy Life ... Dan<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Garden in Zone 5 South East Michigan. <br />
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			<dc:creator>Dan L.</dc:creator>
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			<title>Potato experiment.</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:43:14 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Every year we seem to have volunteer potato plants which have grown
from potatoes we've missed when digging the previous year's crop.
These volunteers always...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Every year we seem to have volunteer potato plants which have grown<br />
from potatoes we've missed when digging the previous year's crop.<br />
These volunteers always seem to produce a large healthy crop of<br />
tubers.<br />
Because of this, we've been meaning for several years to try some fall<br />
planted potatoes and finally, this year, we managed to plant several<br />
different varieties in about 50 feet of row.  It'll be interesting to<br />
see how well they perform.<br />
<br />
Ross.<br />
Southern Ontario, Canada.<br />
AgCanada Zone 5b<br />
43º 17' 26.75&quot; North<br />
80º 13' 29.46&quot; West<br />
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			<title>Potatoes</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:45:52 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[I had my first garden potatoes this year. It was just a test plot of 5' 
x 4'. For an investment of two seed potatoes, I got two colanders of 
potatoes back....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I had my first garden potatoes this year. It was just a test plot of 5' <br />
x 4'. For an investment of two seed potatoes, I got two colanders of <br />
potatoes back. The soil is heavy clay, so I lightened it with sand, and <br />
compost, plus the normal soil amendments. Additionally, it is where I <br />
now dump our coffee grounds (including filters). The area gets less sun <br />
than the rest of my garden area but I 'm pleased with this first effort. <br />
The potatoes (German Butterball) were in all sizes. The smallest <br />
potatoes went into a stew, minutes after harvesting.<br />
<br />
I'd appreciate suggestions on other potatoe varieties, not that I'm <br />
unhappy with the Butterballs, but I'm curious as to what other people <br />
like and why.<br />
-- <br />
³When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist.²<br />
-Archbishop Helder Camara<br />
<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/o63ruj" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/o63ruj</a><br />
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			<title>fixing potting soil</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 23:02:24 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[This question is applicable to a lot more than edible crops, but I'd
like to understand better about potting soil, whether for starting
plants or for container...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>This question is applicable to a lot more than edible crops, but I'd<br />
like to understand better about potting soil, whether for starting<br />
plants or for container gardening. I've been using the cheap Lowes<br />
potting soil for a few years. It looks to be largely organic stuff.<br />
That is, it isn't just garden &quot;dirt&quot;. OK, so that sounds right. Nice<br />
consistency coming out of the bag. But I notice that this stuff<br />
basically turns into mud after a while. That is, after a long and very<br />
hot summer, when stuff is getting watered every other day to keep it<br />
alive, you dig out a plant, and find that the plant has been trying to<br />
grow in highly compacted and hugely soggy soil. This in a pot with<br />
excellent drainage. Just to get the soil out of the pot, you can't do<br />
it with fingers. You need a trowel to excavate it.<br />
<br />
Now, this doesn't seem like the kind of stuff plants would like to be<br />
growing in. I should have realized this was happening, because during<br />
the summer, when I watered, it would sometime pool up in the top of<br />
the pots, and take an hour to drain!! The way I was taught, soil<br />
should absorb water, but be permeable enough to let it soak through.<br />
<br />
I found a number of fat worms in it, so it can't be that bad, but ...<br />
<br />
OK, my bad, using cheap potting soil. Butt head against wall, etc.<br />
<br />
But I still have a few bags of it, and it seems to me that with<br />
appropriate amendments, this stuff could still work. What should I<br />
use? Coarse sand? Perlite? Vermiculite? Compost? Peat moss? Now, if<br />
I'm going to add organic material to it, I'd like it to be stuff that<br />
didn't eventually turn into the organic paste I seem to have ended up<br />
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			<title>Help: are these really persimmons?</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:20:45 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[I bought a persimmon tree years ago as an ornamental, (I'm in BC,
Canada, near the 49th paralel, so its fruit would not ripen here).

The tree produces a heavy...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I bought a persimmon tree years ago as an ornamental, (I'm in BC,<br />
Canada, near the 49th paralel, so its fruit would not ripen here).<br />
<br />
The tree produces a heavy crop each year, but my &quot;persimmons&quot; don't<br />
look much like the ones I occasionally see in stores.  Here is a link<br />
to a high-res photo:  <a href="http://www.oldstox.com/images/persimmons.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.oldstox.com/images/persimmons.jpg</a><br />
<br />
The fruit are pear-shaped, heavy and firm, and have a downy fuzz over<br />
a yellow skin. Are they indeed a variety of persimmon?  Thanks for any<br />
help.<br />
<br />
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			<title>Regarding smart-stax GE corn in general and specifically  in Canada</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:53:15 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>http://www.cban.ca/Resources/Topics/GE-Crops-and-Foods-On-the-
Market/Corn

or

http://tinyurl.com/y9xbfsx</description>
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Market/Corn<br />
<br />
or<br />
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<a href="http://tinyurl.com/y9xbfsx" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/y9xbfsx</a><br />
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			<title>Attn: Steve, Billy and others</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:12:09 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Came across this, and other links on the page, and found them very
well produced.  Old news really, more detailed and more info, for
video production.  Link to...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Came across this, and other links on the page, and found them very<br />
well produced.  Old news really, more detailed and more info, for<br />
video production.  Link to dangers of aspartame use and other goodies.<br />
<br />
<a href="http://personalgrowthcourses.net/video/gmo_food_genetically_modified" target="_blank">http://personalgrowthcourses.net/vid...cally_modified</a><br />
<br />
Thought you and Billy and a few others might find these educational<br />
and.....other things.<br />
<br />
For those who don't, ya' might want to start researching and thinking<br />
about seedsaving.<br />
<br />
Charlie<br />
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			<title>A moment for Veterans Day</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:14:48 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA["Least we forget"

Il...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>&quot;Least we forget&quot;<br />
<br />
Il Silenzio<br />
<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/yee2w7e" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/yee2w7e</a><br />
<br />
<a href="http://video.google.com/videosearch?sourceid=navclient&amp;rlz=1T4ADBR_enUS326US326&amp;q=il+silenzio+rieu&amp;um=1&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;ei=guH6SvbKHZLOsQPj9fjwAQ&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=video_result_group&amp;ct=title&amp;resnum=4&amp;ved=0CBoQqwQwAw#" target="_blank">http://video.google.com/videosearch?...d=0CBoQqwQwAw#</a> <br />
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			<dc:creator>gunner</dc:creator>
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			<title>Chives Going To Seed?</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:12:23 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Hey, everybody, long time no write...

I've got some chives that seem to be blossoming.  It is a sort of 
spherical thingy on the tip, with a bundle of purple...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Hey, everybody, long time no write...<br />
<br />
I've got some chives that seem to be blossoming.  It is a sort of <br />
spherical thingy on the tip, with a bundle of purple bumps.  It <br />
is only happening on a few of them.  <br />
<br />
Can anyone advise about how to get through the cycle to have some <br />
viable seeds?<br />
<br />
BTW, it is late springtime in this hemisphere, and the chives <br />
were planted maybe two or three months ago.  So they may be <br />
reacting to the weather.  I haven't cut/eaten any of them, <br />
because of wanting them to get better established.<br />
<br />
Thanks...<br />
<br />
<br />
-- <br />
Get Credit Where Credit Is Due<br />
<a href="http://www.cardreport.com/" target="_blank">http://www.cardreport.com/</a><br />
Credit Tools, Reference, and Forum<br />
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			<title>?? seed potatoes vendor</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:44:12 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Anybody have a line on a U.S.A. seed potato vendor who has stock
for autumn delivery? An online vendor would be frosting on the cake.
Even if I'm too late for...]]></description>
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	Anybody have a line on a U.S.A. seed potato vendor who has stock<br />
for autumn delivery? An online vendor would be frosting on the cake.<br />
Even if I'm too late for this year, I'd like a reference to contact for<br />
next year. December is traditional potato planting time in this part of<br />
Florida; unfortunately, seedsmen in northern climes all seem to think<br />
theirs is the only climate ;-) and are all sold out long before I'm<br />
ready. In fairness, I do know that seed growers must operate within the<br />
climate in which they're located.<br />
	In past years, I've planted &quot;grocery store&quot; potatoes with good<br />
results, despite the advice of experts. I find that potatoes from<br />
so-called &quot;health&quot; food stores are more likely to sprout profusely<br />
because they've not been treated. In future, though, I'd like to be able<br />
to plant known varieties instead of, &quot;those nice little red potatoes I<br />
got at '&quot;Murphy's'&quot;.<br />
-- <br />
TIA,<br />
the Balvenieman<br />
Running on single malt in U.S.A.<br />
Peninsular Florida,<br />
USDA zone 9b<br />
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			<title>Bad potato crop</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 12:27:31 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Due to a severe bad back during the summer and early autumn I have TODAY harvested all of my potatoes and it was not a very pretty sight.  I may have enough...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Due to a severe bad back during the summer and early autumn I have TODAY harvested all of my potatoes and it was not a very pretty sight.  I may have enough potatoes for one meal for one person.  Every single tuber was full of holes and eaten away inside leaving just the skin.  Inside the tubers I found short 1.5 - 2cm black slugs and also two different coloured worms.  Any suggestions as to the best way to dispose of these infected tubers would be appreciated, I don't want to put them on the compost nor do I want to leave them on the ground.</div>

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			<title>Garden Lime</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:26:04 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Can anybody tell me how garden lime is sold in france. I've looked in 'SuperU' and garden centres but I can't find Chaux anywhere.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Can anybody tell me how garden lime is sold in france. I've looked in 'SuperU' and garden centres but I can't find Chaux anywhere.</div>

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			<title>I wish you like it</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[I saw this site and I like it so much, I'd like to see it to learn a
lot of things
  http://zzrz.com/english.htm]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I saw this site and I like it so much, I'd like to see it to learn a<br />
lot of things<br />
  <a href="http://zzrz.com/english.htm" target="_blank">http://zzrz.com/english.htm</a><br />
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			<title><![CDATA[Garlic "seeds"]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:55:44 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[I have a small quantity of Ukrainian garlic which has produced "seed heads" (small miniature cloves) about 1/4" in diameter. If I planted these would they...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I have a small quantity of Ukrainian garlic which has produced &quot;seed heads&quot; (small miniature cloves) about 1/4&quot; in diameter. If I planted these would they produced proper garlic next year or am I wasting my time.</div>

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