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Bio-spira seems to be working fine
Sherry Michael Weller wrote:
but you can't declare that 'it's working fine' on day 3 or 4 or a cycle. True, it's not conclusive proof, but rather just another data point. He's presenting nothing except his experience thus far, which is clear from his post. At this point, it is "working fine". That may change later - time will tell. I for one am grateful to Victor for posting his results as he tries this product. Especially since he's trying it with a relatively large fish load. -- www.ericschreiber.com |
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Bio-spira seems to be working fine
12 inches of fish plus shrimp should produce enough waste in 20 gallons of
water. This is day 4 and still no ammonia readings. I'm with Sherry. Keep measuring. And what I'm saying is that this product is supposed to avoid cycling altogether. That is the point of it and all its claims. If I'm going to do a traditional cycling why would I waste money on this? And I think that's exactly what you've done: wasted money. g Bio-spira seems to be a better product than Cycle, but still, if you have an already-established tank, you already have the best way to jump start a cycle. There's no way anything in a bottle will be as good as mulm from an established tank. Especially if it's your own tank. Bio-spira is just an artificial version of mulm from an established tank. A very expensive artificial version. Leigh http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/ |
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Bio-spira seems to be working fine
LeighMo wrote:
And I think that's exactly what you've done: wasted money. g Bio-spira The jury is still out on this one. tank. Especially if it's your own tank. Bio-spira is just an artificial version of mulm from an established tank. A very expensive artificial version. It's not artificial at all! It's actual, live bacteria. Nothing artificial about it. Have you read their papers? -- Victor M. Martinez http://www.che.utexas.edu/~martiv |
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Bio-spira seems to be working fine
It's not artificial at all! It's actual, live bacteria. Nothing artificial
about it. Have you read their papers? Yes, I've read their papers. But there's no way I would spend money on this stuff. It's just a bottled version of mulm from an established tank. There's no way it can have the natural variety and diversity of the bacteria from a real tank. There's some evidence that different species of bacteria serve as biological filters in fishtanks, depending on water parameters such as hardness, pH, temperature, etc. That's why mulm from a local tank, especially your own, is best, since presumably the water conditions would be similar. If I didn't have an established tank handy, I might shell out for something like Bio-spira. But why would I, when I have all the bacteria I need, free in my own tank? It's not like Bio-spira is some kind of super-powered bacteria. At best, it's just like the stuff you already have in your established tank. Convenient, if you don't have the real thing, but not better. Leigh http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/ |
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Bio-spira seems to be working fine
It's not artificial at all! It's actual, live bacteria. Nothing artificial about it. Have you read their papers? Yes, I've read their papers. And all these papers are is research on this bacteria. None of them are tests of or proof of this product. The testimonials are nice, but not facts. It's one thing to discover the action of and organism and another to process it in a packet and have it sit on a shelf for a year. My question is, what is keeping the 'actual live bacteria' alive? Now if you want to test it, that's great. But you can't conclude that it's working until you have given it enough time to work through a traditional cycle timeframe. I certainly wouldn't potentially risk fish and shrimp on it either. |
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Bio-spira seems to be working fine
LeighMo wrote: And I think that's exactly what you've done: wasted money. g Bio-spira seems to be a better product than Cycle, but still, if you have an already-established tank, you already have the best way to jump start a cycle. IMO, Cycle is worse than useless as it doesn't work, yet might lead someone to think they're safe (until they find the floaters). I used it with a cycling tank and got tremendous ammonia and nitrite spikes. Fortunately I tested regularly. James |
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Bio-spira seems to be working fine
IMO, Cycle is worse than useless as it doesn't work, yet might lead
someone to think they're safe (until they find the floaters). I agree. Leaving aside the argument about whether or not Cycle contains the correct bacteria, there's little or no live bacteria at all in the average bottle of Cycle. And yet, some people swear it works, just as some people swear Bio-Spira works. (Does the "placebo effect" apply to fishtanks?) That's why I'm skeptical of testimonials. Leigh http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/halloween/881/ |
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