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Of course if trees are cut down for solar panels then the increased
demand on the air-conditioning in summertime might use more energy
than the solar panels make.

So consider a hardwood tree for the front yard. The hardwood tree will
shade the house in summer but allow light through in winter. Also, a
hardwood tree is fire resistant compared to evergreen trees. And most
hardwood trees are drought tolerant but not for desert climates.

Now here's an interesting tip. The Encore Azaleas seem to be more
drought tolerant and more winter tolerant than the regular Azaleas.
They come in three different size categories. Use them for specimens
or plant them in a diamond pattern to cover the ground but favor
sunlight locations.

Shore Junipter is too thick of a ground cover but Blue Star Juniper
can make small specimen plantings of ground cover.

Out in the yard and away from the house, a Blue Point Juniper can
locate the corners of the lot or frame the driveway. A Blue Point
Juniper is taller than a person but much shorter than a Leland
Cypress. The new growth of a Blue Point Juniper starts out soft and
flexible but turns into something that like short prickly pine
needles. The Leland Cypress is so big that it is usually a mistake.

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On Apr 2, 11:08*pm, PolicySpy wrote:

Of course if trees are cut down for solar panels then the increased
demand on the air-conditioning in summertime might use more energy
than the solar panels make.

So consider a hardwood tree for the front yard. The hardwood tree will
shade the house in summer but allow light through in winter. Also, a
hardwood tree is fire resistant compared to evergreen trees. And most
hardwood trees are drought tolerant but not for desert climates.

Now here's an interesting tip. The Encore Azaleas seem to be more
drought tolerant and more winter tolerant than the regular Azaleas.
They come in three different size categories. Use them for specimens
or plant them in a diamond pattern to cover the ground but favor
sunlight locations.

Shore Juniper is too thick of a ground cover but Blue Star Juniper
can make small specimen plantings of ground cover.

Out in the yard and away from the house, a Blue Point Juniper can
locate the corners of the lot or frame the driveway. A Blue Point
Juniper is taller than a person but much shorter than a Leland
Cypress. The new growth of a Blue Point Juniper starts out soft and
flexible but turns into something that like short prickly pine
needles. The Leland Cypress is so big that it is usually a mistake.


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On Apr 2, 11:08*pm, PolicySpy wrote:
Of course if trees are cut down for solar panels then the increased
demand on the air-conditioning in summertime might use more energy
than the solar panels make.

So consider a hardwood tree for the front yard. The hardwood tree will
shade the house in summer but allow light through in winter. Also, a
hardwood tree is fire resistant compared to evergreen trees. And most
hardwood trees are drought tolerant but not for desert climates.

Now here's an interesting tip. The Encore Azaleas seem to be more
drought tolerant and more winter tolerant than the regular Azaleas.
They come in three different size categories. Use them for specimens
or plant them in a diamond pattern to cover the ground but favor
sunlight locations.

Shore Juniper is too thick of a ground cover but Blue Star Juniper
can make small specimen plantings of ground cover.

Out in the yard and away from the house, a Blue Point Juniper can
locate the corners of the lot or frame the driveway. A Blue Point
Juniper is taller than a person but much shorter than a Leland
Cypress. The new growth of a Blue Point Juniper starts out soft and
flexible but turns into something that is like short prickly pine
needles. The Leland Cypress is so big that it is usually a mistake.


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On Apr 2, 11:08*pm, PolicySpy wrote:
Of course if trees are cut down for solar panels then the increased
demand on the air-conditioning in summertime might use more energy
than the solar panels make.

So consider a hardwood tree for the front yard. The hardwood tree will
shade the house in summer but allow light through in winter. Also, a
hardwood tree is fire resistant compared to evergreen trees. And most
hardwood trees are drought tolerant but not for desert climates.

Now here's an interesting tip. The Encore Azaleas seem to be more
drought tolerant and more winter tolerant than the regular Azaleas.
They come in three different size categories. Use them for specimens
or plant them in a diamond pattern to cover the ground but favor
sunlight locations.

Shore Juniper is too thick of a ground cover but Blue Star Juniper
can make small specimen plantings of ground cover.

Out in the yard and away from the house, a Blue Point Juniper can
locate the corners of the lot or frame the driveway. A Blue Point
Juniper is taller than a person but much shorter than a Leland
Cypress. The new growth of a Blue Point Juniper starts out soft and
flexible but turns into something that is like short prickly pine
needles. The Leland Cypress is so big that it is usually a mistake.



Also, I'm trying to ID a shrubbery. It grows oval, it needs very
little pruning to maintain shape, it grows slowly, it has small green
leaves, it has thick foliage, but it is easy to spread apart.

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Of course if trees are cut down for solar panels then the increased
demand on the air-conditioning in summertime might use more energy
than the solar panels make.


but the solar panels will shade the roof thus potentially lowering the AC demand


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On Apr 2, 11:08*pm, PolicySpy wrote:
Of course if trees are cut down for solar panels then the increased
demand on the air-conditioning in summertime might use more energy
than the solar panels make.

So consider a hardwood tree for the front yard. The hardwood tree will
shade the house in summer but allow light through in winter. Also, a
hardwood tree is fire resistant compared to evergreen trees. And most
hardwood trees are drought tolerant but not for desert climates.

Now here's an interesting tip. The Encore Azaleas seem to be more
drought tolerant and more winter tolerant than the regular Azaleas.
They come in three different size categories. Use them for specimens
or plant them in a diamond pattern to cover the ground but favor
sunlight locations.

Shore Junipter is too thick of a ground cover but Blue Star Juniper
can make small specimen plantings of ground cover.

Out in the yard and away from the house, a Blue Point Juniper can
locate the corners of the lot or frame the driveway. A Blue Point
Juniper is taller than a person but much shorter than a Leland
Cypress. The new growth of a Blue Point Juniper starts out soft and
flexible but turns into something that like short prickly pine
needles. The Leland Cypress is so big that it is usually a mistake.


I agree, except I don't want any trees next to my house that if they
fall down will damage the house.

Solar panels will probably not last as long as a tree and in the long
run be less efficient than the tree.
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High heat seasons, the sun shine almost vertical. Trees only block the
cooling breeze.

Do you grow trees on your roof?


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Of course if trees are cut down for solar panels then the increased
demand on the air-conditioning in summertime might use more energy
than the solar panels make.

So consider a hardwood tree for the front yard. The hardwood tree will
shade the house in summer but allow light through in winter. Also, a
hardwood tree is fire resistant compared to evergreen trees. And most
hardwood trees are drought tolerant but not for desert climates.

Now here's an interesting tip. The Encore Azaleas seem to be more
drought tolerant and more winter tolerant than the regular Azaleas.
They come in three different size categories. Use them for specimens
or plant them in a diamond pattern to cover the ground but favor
sunlight locations.

Shore Junipter is too thick of a ground cover but Blue Star Juniper
can make small specimen plantings of ground cover.

Out in the yard and away from the house, a Blue Point Juniper can
locate the corners of the lot or frame the driveway. A Blue Point
Juniper is taller than a person but much shorter than a Leland
Cypress. The new growth of a Blue Point Juniper starts out soft and
flexible but turns into something that like short prickly pine
needles. The Leland Cypress is so big that it is usually a mistake.

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Malcom Mal Reynolds wrote:



but the solar panels will shade the roof thus potentially lowering the AC demand



PolicySpy writes:

Trees have water evaporating out of the leaves. The local temperature
is cooler under natural shade than under artificial shade.

There are roof systems that go down on a batten system and have an air
space but trees are cooler than the roof system. But the home owner
can have the roof system and the trees. The home owner can't have
solar panels and trees.

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Frank wrote:


I agree, except I don't want any trees next to my house that if they
fall down will damage the house.

Solar panels will probably not last as long as a tree and in the long
run be less efficient than the tree.- Hide quoted text -



PolicySpy writes:

The parts of the city that are a style similar to Olmstead parks have
large tree limbs growing over the house and no one worries.

But a hardwood tree gets big enough that it can be 40 feet from the
house and still shade the house and cool the yard. If fact my Shumard
Oak tree tag says that the tree gets 50 feet wide. So the tree can be
25' from the house or maybe 30' from the house. But space two trees
apart by the 50' feet spec.

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m ll wrote:


High heat seasons, the sun shine almost vertical. *Trees only block the
cooling breeze.

Do you grow trees on your roof?



PolicySpy writes:

My sun rises directly in the East, swings high in the southern sky,
and sets directly in the West.

The front of the house faces East.

The tall trees naturally in the back yard shade the house from 2PM to
sunset.

The single canopy tree in the front yard shades the house from sunrise
to 11 AM.

Then I would need a tree to the South to shade the house from 11 AM to
2PM. But that's up to the neighbors.

Well, it just doesn't take a genius to figure out where to put the
tree.

Also, a tree has water evaporating out of the leaves and makes the
yard and house cooler.





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But these responses are interesting and so let's combine a tree
strategy with a solar panel strategy:

If the front of the house faces South then put solar panels on the
front slope of the roof and put one or two hardwood trees in the
backyard.

If the rear of the house faces South then trees are likely naturally
in the backyard and the house is naturally cool. But if there are no
tall trees in the back yard then put solar panels on the rear slope of
the roof and put one or two hardwood trees in the front yard.

If the side of the house faces South and there is no roof slope facing
South then I would put solar panels on a steel pole against the North
side of the house (to get the best angle over distance trees to the
South). Then put one hardwood tree in the front yard and one hardwood
tree in the backyard.
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On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 12:22:18 -0700 (PDT), PolicySpy
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Malcom Mal Reynolds wrote:



but the solar panels will shade the roof thus potentially lowering the AC demand



PolicySpy writes:

Trees have water evaporating out of the leaves. The local temperature
is cooler under natural shade than under artificial shade.

There are roof systems that go down on a batten system and have an air
space but trees are cooler than the roof system. But the home owner
can have the roof system and the trees. The home owner can't have
solar panels and trees.


Trees large enough to shade a house so close that were they to fall
would fall onto the house are never a good idea. The best way to
maintain temperature inside a house is with insulation, especially in
the attic. Trees shading a roof will also cause damage by not
permitting the roof to dry.
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PolicySpy wrote:
m ll wrote:


High heat seasons, the sun shine almost vertical. Trees only block
the cooling breeze.

Do you grow trees on your roof?



PolicySpy writes:

My sun rises directly in the East, swings high in the southern sky,
and sets directly in the West.

The front of the house faces East.


This shows how very unobservant you are. In the course of a year the rising
and setting directions of the sun will vary considerably.

The tall trees naturally in the back yard shade the house from 2PM to
sunset.

The single canopy tree in the front yard shades the house from sunrise
to 11 AM.

Then I would need a tree to the South to shade the house from 11 AM to
2PM. But that's up to the neighbors.

Well, it just doesn't take a genius to figure out where to put the
tree.


Just as well you are no genius else we would never know. It must be very
easy to solve these questions when you live where there are no seasons.


Also, a tree has water evaporating out of the leaves and makes the
yard and house cooler.


Evidence?

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Brooklyn1 wrote:


Trees large enough to shade a house so close that were they to fall
would fall onto the house are never a good idea. *The best way to
maintain temperature inside a house is with insulation, especially in
the attic. *Trees shading a roof will also cause damage by not
permitting the roof to dry.



Really, trees are not that controversial. They work in parks, along
sidewalks, and in the neighborhood.

The Shumard Oak gets 50 feet wide and so plant it 30 feet from the
house. A tree that is 60 feet high, 25 foot radius reach, and 30 feet
from the house, will shade the house.


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David Hare-Scott wrote:



This shows how very unobservant you are. *In the course of a year the rising
and setting directions of the sun will vary considerably.



PolicySpy writes:

My sun rises in the East, swings in the southern sky, and sets in the
West.

It swings in the southern sky lower in the winter and higher in the
summer.

Would anyone really believe that the path of the sun is so difficult
to understand as it relates to the yard and house ?

Could anyone really believe that they had raised a significant debate
point ?

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