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Once upon a time on usenet Todd wrote:
On 01/11/2015 05:56 PM, ~misfit~ wrote: Once upon a time on usenet Frank Miles wrote: On Tue, 06 Jan 2015 17:00:26 -0800, Todd wrote: Hi All, You knew this was going to happen eventually. A tomato plant grafted unto a potato plant. Both are Solanaceae (nightshade) and probably were the same plant years and years ago. http://www.foxnews.com/science/2015/...hup-and-fries/ What I don't understand is how the plant would have enough power left in it to grow both potatoes and tomatoes. Must be the richest soil the plant could handle without burning the plant! Will wonders ever cease! -T Actually this has been done for years (no idea how successfully). Your favorite search engine can find many how-tos. Only thing slightly new is someone trying to commercialize the grafted plant. They've been available in garden centres here in New Zealand for the last few years at least. They're more of a gimick than a vaild food production method I think. What gets me the amount of power the plant would have to produce to create both large fruit and tubers at the same time. IIRC the advice given out by one supplier was to stack three old car tyres on top of each other and fill with soil / compost mix, insert a strong stake and grow in there. -- Shaun. "Humans will have advanced a long, long, way when religious belief has a cozy little classification in the DSM." David Melville (in r.a.s.f1) |
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Once upon a time on usenet songbird wrote:
[snipped] .... of course human manure composting will help increase soil nutrients too. if your family is healthy and doesn't use hormones or chemotherapeutics then composted poo/pee is a valuable resource. hard to get people to accept it, but there is no reason to not use such a valuable resource if you can learn to do it safely (the humanure handbook is freely available on-line). it just freaks out people though so most gardeners won't do it (but they will use composted cow manure from sources they know much less about than their own family, so go figure...). if you build in a long enough cycle there is no problem from disease organisms and if you are very paranoid you can even use it as a subsoil amendment (buried deeply again) and that will cover all remaining issues. The amount of nutrient in human manure is minimal compared with that in urine. I have been practicing 'micturition farming' for decades now and have had excellent results. It is very easy to do (especially when compared with the use of solid manure) and appeals to my sense of the cyclic nature of things and my abhorrence of waste in general. http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...ve-fertilizer/ I just keep a bucket next to the toilet and use it for urine, emptying it into a watering can and diluting with water at least 10:1 (often with used aquarium water for that added nutrient boost). The sooner it's used the better or the urea will degrade into ammonia and become less bio-available. People who know me are amazed at my horticultural successes but I don't often share my secret as people can have totally irrational opinions of certain things. -- Shaun. "Humans will have advanced a long, long, way when religious belief has a cozy little classification in the DSM." David Melville (in r.a.s.f1) |
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On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 7:15:28 PM UTC-8, ~misfit~ wrote:
Once upon a time on usenet Todd wrote: On 01/11/2015 05:56 PM, ~misfit~ wrote: Once upon a time on usenet Frank Miles wrote: On Tue, 06 Jan 2015 17:00:26 -0800, Todd wrote: Hi All, You knew this was going to happen eventually. A tomato plant grafted unto a potato plant. Both are Solanaceae (nightshade) and probably were the same plant years and years ago. http://www.foxnews.com/science/2015/...hup-and-fries/ What I don't understand is how the plant would have enough power left in it to grow both potatoes and tomatoes. Must be the richest soil the plant could handle without burning the plant! Will wonders ever cease! -T Actually this has been done for years (no idea how successfully). Your favorite search engine can find many how-tos. Only thing slightly new is someone trying to commercialize the grafted plant. They've been available in garden centres here in New Zealand for the last few years at least. They're more of a gimick than a vaild food production method I think. What gets me the amount of power the plant would have to produce to create both large fruit and tubers at the same time. IIRC the advice given out by one supplier was to stack three old car tyres on top of each other and fill with soil / compost mix, insert a strong stake and grow in there. -- Shaun. Horrors! Did supplier know what kind of **** leaks out of car tires? Into your soil & thence into your food! Is this is not true, will someone point me to a scientific analysis?HB |
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On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 7:27:50 PM UTC-8, ~misfit~ wrote:
Once upon a time on usenet songbird wrote: [snipped] .... of course human manure composting will help increase soil nutrients too. if your family is healthy and doesn't use hormones or chemotherapeutics then composted poo/pee is a valuable resource. hard to get people to accept it, but there is no reason to not use such a valuable resource if you can learn to do it safely (the humanure handbook is freely available on-line). it just freaks out people though so most gardeners won't do it (but they will use composted cow manure from sources they know much less about than their own family, so go figure...). if you build in a long enough cycle there is no problem from disease organisms and if you are very paranoid you can even use it as a subsoil amendment (buried deeply again) and that will cover all remaining issues. The amount of nutrient in human manure is minimal compared with that in urine. I have been practicing 'micturition farming' for decades now and have had excellent results. It is very easy to do (especially when compared with the use of solid manure) and appeals to my sense of the cyclic nature of things and my abhorrence of waste in general. http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...ve-fertilizer/ I just keep a bucket next to the toilet and use it for urine, emptying it into a watering can and diluting with water at least 10:1 (often with used aquarium water for that added nutrient boost). The sooner it's used the better or the urea will degrade into ammonia and become less bio-available. People who know me are amazed at my horticultural successes but I don't often share my secret as people can have totally irrational opinions of certain things. -- Err.... can't you just go out in the garden and.... Or if that would be too concentrated, dilute with dihydrogen monoxide from a hose? Not presuming to ask who else shares facilities... HB |
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f course human manure composting will help increase soil nutrients too. And no greater source of human manure exists than at Usenet. LOL |
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Once upon a time on usenet Hypatia Nachshon wrote:
On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 7:27:50 PM UTC-8, ~misfit~ wrote: Once upon a time on usenet songbird wrote: [snipped] .... of course human manure composting will help increase soil nutrients too. if your family is healthy and doesn't use hormones or chemotherapeutics then composted poo/pee is a valuable resource. hard to get people to accept it, but there is no reason to not use such a valuable resource if you can learn to do it safely (the humanure handbook is freely available on-line). it just freaks out people though so most gardeners won't do it (but they will use composted cow manure from sources they know much less about than their own family, so go figure...). if you build in a long enough cycle there is no problem from disease organisms and if you are very paranoid you can even use it as a subsoil amendment (buried deeply again) and that will cover all remaining issues. The amount of nutrient in human manure is minimal compared with that in urine. I have been practicing 'micturition farming' for decades now and have had excellent results. It is very easy to do (especially when compared with the use of solid manure) and appeals to my sense of the cyclic nature of things and my abhorrence of waste in general. http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...ve-fertilizer/ I just keep a bucket next to the toilet and use it for urine, emptying it into a watering can and diluting with water at least 10:1 (often with used aquarium water for that added nutrient boost). The sooner it's used the better or the urea will degrade into ammonia and become less bio-available. People who know me are amazed at my horticultural successes but I don't often share my secret as people can have totally irrational opinions of certain things. Err.... can't you just go out in the garden and.... I'm an invalid - chronic back injury and constant pain. The morning pee is the biggest (most worth catching) and when freshly out of bed I hobble for an hour or two. Making it to the garden and dangling genitalia (in suburbia no less) isn't really an option. Or if that would be too concentrated, dilute with dihydrogen monoxide from a hose? It does need diluting. Undiluted urine will kill plants. Also it's easier to spread around where it's needed when diluted....... Not presuming to ask who else shares facilities... It's no presumption. I live alone these days. -- Shaun. "Humans will have advanced a long, long, way when religious belief has a cozy little classification in the DSM." David Melville (in r.a.s.f1) |
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Once upon a time on usenet Hypatia Nachshon wrote:
On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 7:15:28 PM UTC-8, ~misfit~ wrote: Once upon a time on usenet Todd wrote: On 01/11/2015 05:56 PM, ~misfit~ wrote: Once upon a time on usenet Frank Miles wrote: On Tue, 06 Jan 2015 17:00:26 -0800, Todd wrote: Hi All, You knew this was going to happen eventually. A tomato plant grafted unto a potato plant. Both are Solanaceae (nightshade) and probably were the same plant years and years ago. http://www.foxnews.com/science/2015/...hup-and-fries/ What I don't understand is how the plant would have enough power left in it to grow both potatoes and tomatoes. Must be the richest soil the plant could handle without burning the plant! Will wonders ever cease! -T Actually this has been done for years (no idea how successfully). Your favorite search engine can find many how-tos. Only thing slightly new is someone trying to commercialize the grafted plant. They've been available in garden centres here in New Zealand for the last few years at least. They're more of a gimick than a vaild food production method I think. What gets me the amount of power the plant would have to produce to create both large fruit and tubers at the same time. IIRC the advice given out by one supplier was to stack three old car tyres on top of each other and fill with soil / compost mix, insert a strong stake and grow in there. -- Shaun. Horrors! Did supplier know what kind of **** leaks out of car tires? Into your soil & thence into your food! Is this is not true, will someone point me to a scientific analysis?HB You could well be right. However it's quite common to use old car tyres as mini raised beds here (well I've seen it more than once and read 'green' articles advising it several times). Generally it's advised to 'weather' them for a while before use - or at least wash them very well. -- Shaun. "Humans will have advanced a long, long, way when religious belief has a cozy little classification in the DSM." David Melville (in r.a.s.f1) |
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On 01/27/2015 06:44 PM, ~misfit~ wrote:
Once upon a time on usenet Hypatia Nachshon wrote: On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 7:15:28 PM UTC-8, ~misfit~ wrote: Once upon a time on usenet Todd wrote: On 01/11/2015 05:56 PM, ~misfit~ wrote: Once upon a time on usenet Frank Miles wrote: On Tue, 06 Jan 2015 17:00:26 -0800, Todd wrote: Hi All, You knew this was going to happen eventually. A tomato plant grafted unto a potato plant. Both are Solanaceae (nightshade) and probably were the same plant years and years ago. http://www.foxnews.com/science/2015/...hup-and-fries/ What I don't understand is how the plant would have enough power left in it to grow both potatoes and tomatoes. Must be the richest soil the plant could handle without burning the plant! Will wonders ever cease! -T Actually this has been done for years (no idea how successfully). Your favorite search engine can find many how-tos. Only thing slightly new is someone trying to commercialize the grafted plant. They've been available in garden centres here in New Zealand for the last few years at least. They're more of a gimick than a vaild food production method I think. What gets me the amount of power the plant would have to produce to create both large fruit and tubers at the same time. IIRC the advice given out by one supplier was to stack three old car tyres on top of each other and fill with soil / compost mix, insert a strong stake and grow in there. -- Shaun. Horrors! Did supplier know what kind of **** leaks out of car tires? Into your soil & thence into your food! Is this is not true, will someone point me to a scientific analysis?HB You could well be right. However it's quite common to use old car tyres as mini raised beds here (well I've seen it more than once and read 'green' articles advising it several times). Generally it's advised to 'weather' them for a while before use - or at least wash them very well. Hmmmm. I am looking forward the Shaun's amazing car tire tomatoes at the next county fair. All we need now is an office car tire tomato taste tester. I nominate Higgs. That will get even with her for that airline joke! |
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On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 at 6:39:55 PM UTC-8, ~misfit~ wrote:
Once upon a time on usenet Hypatia Nachshon wrote: On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 7:27:50 PM UTC-8, ~misfit~ wrote: Once upon a time on usenet songbird wrote: [snipped] .... of course human manure composting will help increase soil nutrients too. if your family is healthy and doesn't use hormones or chemotherapeutics then composted poo/pee is a valuable resource. hard to get people to accept it, but there is no reason to not use such a valuable resource if you can learn to do it safely (the humanure handbook is freely available on-line). it just freaks out people though so most gardeners won't do it (but they will use composted cow manure from sources they know much less about than their own family, so go figure...). if you build in a long enough cycle there is no problem from disease organisms and if you are very paranoid you can even use it as a subsoil amendment (buried deeply again) and that will cover all remaining issues. The amount of nutrient in human manure is minimal compared with that in urine. I have been practicing 'micturition farming' for decades now and have had excellent results. It is very easy to do (especially when compared with the use of solid manure) and appeals to my sense of the cyclic nature of things and my abhorrence of waste in general. http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...ve-fertilizer/ I just keep a bucket next to the toilet and use it for urine, emptying it into a watering can and diluting with water at least 10:1 (often with used aquarium water for that added nutrient boost). The sooner it's used the better or the urea will degrade into ammonia and become less bio-available. People who know me are amazed at my horticultural successes but I don't often share my secret as people can have totally irrational opinions of certain things. Err.... can't you just go out in the garden and.... I'm an invalid - chronic back injury and constant pain. The morning pee is the biggest (most worth catching) and when freshly out of bed I hobble for an hour or two. Making it to the garden and dangling genitalia (in suburbia no less) isn't really an option. Or if that would be too concentrated, dilute with dihydrogen monoxide from a hose? It does need diluting. Undiluted urine will kill plants. Also it's easier to spread around where it's needed when diluted....... Not presuming to ask who else shares facilities... It's no presumption. I live alone these days. Sorry about physical problems. The "constant pain" part is very upsetting to hear about. AFAIK pain control is one of the most active fields in medical research, so I hope your medical providers are on top of current work. All good wishes, HB |
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Once upon a time on usenet Hypatia Nachshon wrote:
On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 at 6:39:55 PM UTC-8, ~misfit~ wrote: Once upon a time on usenet Hypatia Nachshon wrote: On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 7:27:50 PM UTC-8, ~misfit~ wrote: Once upon a time on usenet songbird wrote: [snipped] .... of course human manure composting will help increase soil nutrients too. if your family is healthy and doesn't use hormones or chemotherapeutics then composted poo/pee is a valuable resource. hard to get people to accept it, but there is no reason to not use such a valuable resource if you can learn to do it safely (the humanure handbook is freely available on-line). it just freaks out people though so most gardeners won't do it (but they will use composted cow manure from sources they know much less about than their own family, so go figure...). if you build in a long enough cycle there is no problem from disease organisms and if you are very paranoid you can even use it as a subsoil amendment (buried deeply again) and that will cover all remaining issues. The amount of nutrient in human manure is minimal compared with that in urine. I have been practicing 'micturition farming' for decades now and have had excellent results. It is very easy to do (especially when compared with the use of solid manure) and appeals to my sense of the cyclic nature of things and my abhorrence of waste in general. http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...ve-fertilizer/ I just keep a bucket next to the toilet and use it for urine, emptying it into a watering can and diluting with water at least 10:1 (often with used aquarium water for that added nutrient boost). The sooner it's used the better or the urea will degrade into ammonia and become less bio-available. People who know me are amazed at my horticultural successes but I don't often share my secret as people can have totally irrational opinions of certain things. Err.... can't you just go out in the garden and.... I'm an invalid - chronic back injury and constant pain. The morning pee is the biggest (most worth catching) and when freshly out of bed I hobble for an hour or two. Making it to the garden and dangling genitalia (in suburbia no less) isn't really an option. Or if that would be too concentrated, dilute with dihydrogen monoxide from a hose? It does need diluting. Undiluted urine will kill plants. Also it's easier to spread around where it's needed when diluted....... Not presuming to ask who else shares facilities... It's no presumption. I live alone these days. Sorry about physical problems. The "constant pain" part is very upsetting to hear about. AFAIK pain control is one of the most active fields in medical research, so I hope your medical providers are on top of current work. All good wishes, HB Thanks for the kind words. A sit-rep of my disability below, feel free to not read it..... I unjured myself in my mid 30s, not long after I'd sunk my life savings into becoming self-employed in a line of work that was going to need a few years hard work before seeing returns. Long story short I popped a disc out, the lowest one where the spine meets the pelvis (but didn't know at the time exactly what was going on as I'm a tough ******* and didn't scream like a little girl - so was told to take APAP four times a day). After an intial couple of months of agony (I couldn't afford private healthcare as I was financially fully commited - so availed myself of the free medical care we have here in NZ) I saw a chiropractor who popped it back in again. I was able to carry on, still painful but not bad enough to prevent me from doing a ~6 hour day (when I really needed to be doing 10). Every three months it got bad and I went back to the chiro and had to put back but it got harder and harder to do - until they couldn't fix it. I ended up losing everything, life savings and home. (There was almost zero resale value in the 'plant' I'd invested in.) After a decade of pain getting worse and worse I finally managed to get an MRI (!). I was told a disc had ruptured and the 'jelly' had leaked out and been gradually absorbed by my body (which is why the chiro found it harder and harder to 'fix' me). Now I'm bone-on-bone with compressed nerves causing 'sciatica'. (The word hardly does what I feel justice but it's one most people are familiar with.) I have oesteophytes (bony protrusions) growing all around the area where my body is trying to fuse my spine to protect itself. The musco-skeletal specialist who I finally saw just over 10 years after my accident (who got me into an MRI within 12 hours of the initial exam) says my only paid-for option is a spinal fusion of the immediate area. However he really doesn't recommend it as my MRI shows the two or three discs above are also damaged (bulging into my spinal cord cavity but not ruptured at present) and fusing the lower one may or may not fix the problem in that area and would place much more strain on the already damaged vertebral joints above. However he's at the limit of what he can do for me (I don't want higher doses of opiods, I value my mind too much) and if / when I can no longer stand it he'll send me on to the surgeon. Hobson's choice. For now I'm just hoping to make it to old(er) age as he told me that, in septugenarians and older the sort of injury I have doesn't cause anywhere near as much pain as their nervous systems have also degraded. So I've got a bit less than 20 years to go to find out...... If I can hold off on the surgery. ;-) Best, -- Shaun. "Humans will have advanced a long, long, way when religious belief has a cozy little classification in the DSM." David Melville (in r.a.s.f1) |
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Once upon a time on usenet T wrote:
On 01/27/2015 06:44 PM, ~misfit~ wrote: Once upon a time on usenet Hypatia Nachshon wrote: On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 7:15:28 PM UTC-8, ~misfit~ wrote: Once upon a time on usenet Todd wrote: On 01/11/2015 05:56 PM, ~misfit~ wrote: Once upon a time on usenet Frank Miles wrote: On Tue, 06 Jan 2015 17:00:26 -0800, Todd wrote: Hi All, You knew this was going to happen eventually. A tomato plant grafted unto a potato plant. Both are Solanaceae (nightshade) and probably were the same plant years and years ago. http://www.foxnews.com/science/2015/...hup-and-fries/ What I don't understand is how the plant would have enough power left in it to grow both potatoes and tomatoes. Must be the richest soil the plant could handle without burning the plant! Will wonders ever cease! -T Actually this has been done for years (no idea how successfully). Your favorite search engine can find many how-tos. Only thing slightly new is someone trying to commercialize the grafted plant. They've been available in garden centres here in New Zealand for the last few years at least. They're more of a gimick than a vaild food production method I think. What gets me the amount of power the plant would have to produce to create both large fruit and tubers at the same time. IIRC the advice given out by one supplier was to stack three old car tyres on top of each other and fill with soil / compost mix, insert a strong stake and grow in there. -- Shaun. Horrors! Did supplier know what kind of **** leaks out of car tires? Into your soil & thence into your food! Is this is not true, will someone point me to a scientific analysis?HB You could well be right. However it's quite common to use old car tyres as mini raised beds here (well I've seen it more than once and read 'green' articles advising it several times). Generally it's advised to 'weather' them for a while before use - or at least wash them very well. Hmmmm. I am looking forward the Shaun's amazing car tire tomatoes at the next county fair. I didn't say that I use car tyres as raised beds - just that I've had it suggested to me as an affordable option and have seen others using them. -- Shaun. "Humans will have advanced a long, long, way when religious belief has a cozy little classification in the DSM." David Melville (in r.a.s.f1) All we need now is an office car tire tomato taste tester. I nominate Higgs. That will get even with her for that airline joke! |
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On 01/27/2015 09:45 PM, ~misfit~ wrote:
Hmmmm. I am looking forward the Shaun's amazing car tire tomatoes at the next county fair. I didn't say that I use car tyres as raised beds - just that I've had it suggested to me as an affordable option and have seen others using them. You do realize I was funning you? All we need now is an office car tire ^^^ official tomato taste tester. I nominate Higgs. That will get even with her for that airline joke! |
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Hypatia Nachshon wrote:
On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 7:27:50 PM UTC-8, ~misfit~ wrote: Once upon a time on usenet songbird wrote: [snipped] .... of course human manure composting will help increase soil nutrients too. if your family is healthy and doesn't use hormones or chemotherapeutics then composted poo/pee is a valuable resource. hard to get people to accept it, but there is no reason to not use such a valuable resource if you can learn to do it safely (the humanure handbook is freely available on-line). it just freaks out people though so most gardeners won't do it (but they will use composted cow manure from sources they know much less about than their own family, so go figure...). if you build in a long enough cycle there is no problem from disease organisms and if you are very paranoid you can even use it as a subsoil amendment (buried deeply again) and that will cover all remaining issues. The amount of nutrient in human manure is minimal compared with that in urine. I have been practicing 'micturition farming' for decades now and have had excellent results. It is very easy to do (especially when compared with the use of solid manure) and appeals to my sense of the cyclic nature of things and my abhorrence of waste in general. http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...ve-fertilizer/ I just keep a bucket next to the toilet and use it for urine, emptying it into a watering can and diluting with water at least 10:1 (often with used aquarium water for that added nutrient boost). The sooner it's used the better or the urea will degrade into ammonia and become less bio-available. People who know me are amazed at my horticultural successes but I don't often share my secret as people can have totally irrational opinions of certain things. -- Err.... can't you just go out in the garden and.... Or if that would be too concentrated, dilute with dihydrogen monoxide from a hose? Not presuming to ask who else shares facilities... HB Yes you can go straight out into the garden, directly on to the lemon tree is just fine, it doesn't need to be cool or collected in a bucket. In this age of equality teach your daughters this as well as your sons. The targeting might be different but the analysis is about the same. Human urine is not concentrated enough to harm plants in the ground, it might be possible if you flooded a potted plants but then you might also find it a little aromatic for the patio or the front room too. For those who are about to read me a lesson on public health your urine ought to be sterile unless you have a urinary tract infection in which case you should be seeing the doctor not ****ing on your plants. -- David - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - A better world requires a daily struggle against those who would mislead us. |
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David Hare-Scott wrote:
.... find it a little aromatic for the patio or the front room too. in an arid climate i'd not want to use a lot of it all the time, but right before the rainy season is likely ok. For those who are about to read me a lesson on public health your urine ought to be sterile unless you have a urinary tract infection in which case you should be seeing the doctor not ****ing on your plants. recently the knowledge on this has changed. originally when such studies were made baterial levels were below that easily detectable, now they find that "urine is sterile" is a myth. so it does usually have some bacteria in it but that doesn't mean it is a problem when properly composted. poo & pee together with some carbon source (sawdust, shredded leaves, etc.) is about the perfect combination and will compost nicely. there are plenty of nutrients in feces from humans, bacteria will use it as an energy source quite easily. trace elements that did not get absorbed, etc. all often well appreciated by plant life. though i do not believe in "design" i do think that we are here in this system and not outside of it so that what goes in and comes back out are a good part of the whole. just treat it with the respect it deserves. if you are in an arid climate with little access to organic materials use it instead of wasting it. songbird |
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.... Thanks for the kind words. A sit-rep of my disability below, feel free to not read it..... much sympathy, it's no fun, that is for sure! my chiropractor has helped me a lot. and i've done a lot of studying to see what is going on and what might help the most. right now i am stable and fairly pain free (off and on again problems for 37 years). i am not restored to perfect function though so i do have to be wary of certain things and pay attention to when my back has had enough. unfortunately, most people are not taught how to take care of their back in health class or on the job training (along with proper lifting techniques). i wasn't. for some jobs this training should be mandatory along with a basic fitness test (to make sure your abdominal muscles are strong enough and lifting techniques are proper). the morning is the most likely time to blow out a disc because they get recharged at night and the fluids in them make them stiff until you can get them limbered up (gently). if you are doing any kind of garden work or heavy lifting or even bending in the morning it is always a good idea to warm up first. most of the injuries to my back could have been avoided had i known such things. it's always a bad idea to take someone and throw them into heavy work without conditioning and training. had i been given such i think i could have avoided most of my troubles and the injuries i did have would have been much less troublesome over the longer term. living some place i could swim in the ocean on a regular basis would be really nice and the most help. around here i try to take regular walks and of course keep active in the gardens when the ground isn't frozen. songbird |
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