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Planting a 16ft Leylandi - HELP
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I have a very large garden and I have purchased a 16ft Leylandi which is going to be 40 meter away from any building structure. But I dont know how to plant it. I have been reading for hours all about a)Multipurpose Compost b) RootGrow c) Bonemeal d) Multicote / Osmocote My head is spinning! the Tree has cost alot of money so wanting to give is the best start possible. How best do I plant this using the above items? and do I use the current soil or just back fill with Multipurpose Compost and Rootgrow at the bottom of the hole touching the roots? Thanks darren |
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Planting a 16ft Leylandi - HELP
Dazzamancs wrote:
I have a very large garden and I have purchased a 16ft Leylandi which is going to be 40 meter away from any building structure. But I dont know how to plant it. You are speaking of a totally valueless weed... makes a quick growing hedge that doesn't live long and is susceptable to many diseases. You'd have done much better buying a 2' tall seedling for like $2... actually you'd have done far better not buying that weed at all. |
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Brooklyn1 writes:
Dazzamancs wrote: I have a very large garden and I have purchased a 16ft Leylandi which is going to be 40 meter away from any building structure. But I dont know how to plant it. You are speaking of a totally valueless weed... makes a quick growing hedge that doesn't live long and is susceptable to many diseases. You'd have done much better buying a 2' tall seedling for like $2... actually you'd have done far better not buying that weed at all. In real life, I find the tree attractive. I can't picture a homeowner planting a 16ft tree. There should be tractors involved in the process. Wikipedia has some interesting comments about the legal risks to having the tree: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leylan...#Legal_aspects The plant's rapid growth (up to a metre per year) and great potential height – often over 20 metres (66 ft) tall, sometimes as high as 35 metres (115 ft) – can become a serious problem. In 2005 in the United Kingdom, an estimated 17,000 people were at loggerheads over high hedges, which led to violence and in at least one case murder, when in 2001, retired Environment Agency officer Llandis Burdon, 57, was shot dead after an alleged dispute over a leylandii hedge in Talybont-on-Usk, Powys. Part VIII of the United Kingdom's Anti-Social Behaviour Act 2003, introduced in 2005, gave a way for people affected by high hedges (usually, but not necessarily, of leylandii) to ask their local authority to investigate complaints about the hedges, and gave the authorities in England and Wales power to have the hedges reduced in height. In May 2008, UK resident Christine Wright won a 24-year legal battle to have her neighbour's leylandii trees cut down for blocking sunlight to her garden. I like Dawn Redwoods, Not an evergreen but looks like one in the summer and nice bark, shape, grows fast. -- Dan Espen |
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Dan Espen wrote:
Brooklyn1 writes: Dazzamancs wrote: I have a very large garden and I have purchased a 16ft Leylandi which is going to be 40 meter away from any building structure. But I dont know how to plant it. You are speaking of a totally valueless weed... makes a quick growing hedge that doesn't live long and is susceptable to many diseases. You'd have done much better buying a 2' tall seedling for like $2... actually you'd have done far better not buying that weed at all. In real life, I find the tree attractive. I can't picture a homeowner planting a 16ft tree. There should be tractors involved in the process. Agreed... probably an excavator to dig the planting hole and to lift and set the tree... the root ball could weigh a half ton. Wikipedia has some interesting comments about the legal risks to having the tree: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leylan...#Legal_aspects The plant's rapid growth (up to a metre per year) and great potential height – often over 20 metres (66 ft) tall, sometimes as high as 35 metres (115 ft) – can become a serious problem. In 2005 in the United Kingdom, an estimated 17,000 people were at loggerheads over high hedges, which led to violence and in at least one case murder, when in 2001, retired Environment Agency officer Llandis Burdon, 57, was shot dead after an alleged dispute over a leylandii hedge in Talybont-on-Usk, Powys. Part VIII of the United Kingdom's Anti-Social Behaviour Act 2003, introduced in 2005, gave a way for people affected by high hedges (usually, but not necessarily, of leylandii) to ask their local authority to investigate complaints about the hedges, and gave the authorities in England and Wales power to have the hedges reduced in height. In May 2008, UK resident Christine Wright won a 24-year legal battle to have her neighbour's leylandii trees cut down for blocking sunlight to her garden. I like Dawn Redwoods, Not an evergreen but looks like one in the summer and nice bark, shape, grows fast. Dawn Redwoods are interesting ancient trees, I especially like their trunk bark, cinnamon hued and fissured. I planted two... one was ~6' when I planted it, now 12 years later ~18', the other was in a pot. ~30" when I planted it, now ~10'. They are not very fast growing, perhaps 1' per year. They are planted in my wildflower meadow, I keep them fenced from deer. The smaller Dawn Redwood, that's Newt: http://i65.tinypic.com/2qsuhlh.jpg Same tree, I maintain many walking paths: http://i68.tinypic.com/140dmjq.jpg The larger Dawn Redwood: http://i66.tinypic.com/2uiws2u.jpg You can see the larger Dawn Redwood way out in the wildflower meadow: http://i64.tinypic.com/20tkvhh.jpg These pictures were taken in 2012. Newt was a great barn cat, no longer with us. He stopped eating, Vet said inoperable throat cancer. Had to put him down, a very sad time, Newt is resting by his barn. For those who don't know Tinypics can be enlarged; close the ads, click on picture, then click on "View Raw Image" and click on picture to enlarge. http://www.dawnredwood.org/INFORMATION.htm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metase...yptostroboides Keep in mind that most plant nurserys use photoshopped pictures and greatly exaggerate plant growth facts. Dawn Redwood does not look like that picture nor does it grow several feet per year, in my opinion their reviews were obviously cherry picked and doctored: http://www.fast-growing-trees.com/DawnRedwood.htm |
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Brooklyn1 writes:
Dan Espen wrote: Brooklyn1 writes: Dazzamancs wrote: I have a very large garden and I have purchased a 16ft Leylandi which is going to be 40 meter away from any building structure. But I dont know how to plant it. You are speaking of a totally valueless weed... makes a quick growing hedge that doesn't live long and is susceptable to many diseases. You'd have done much better buying a 2' tall seedling for like $2... actually you'd have done far better not buying that weed at all. In real life, I find the tree attractive. I can't picture a homeowner planting a 16ft tree. There should be tractors involved in the process. Agreed... probably an excavator to dig the planting hole and to lift and set the tree... the root ball could weigh a half ton. Wikipedia has some interesting comments about the legal risks to having the tree: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leylan...#Legal_aspects The plant's rapid growth (up to a metre per year) and great potential height – often over 20 metres (66 ft) tall, sometimes as high as 35 metres (115 ft) – can become a serious problem. In 2005 in the United Kingdom, an estimated 17,000 people were at loggerheads over high hedges, which led to violence and in at least one case murder, when in 2001, retired Environment Agency officer Llandis Burdon, 57, was shot dead after an alleged dispute over a leylandii hedge in Talybont-on-Usk, Powys. Part VIII of the United Kingdom's Anti-Social Behaviour Act 2003, introduced in 2005, gave a way for people affected by high hedges (usually, but not necessarily, of leylandii) to ask their local authority to investigate complaints about the hedges, and gave the authorities in England and Wales power to have the hedges reduced in height. In May 2008, UK resident Christine Wright won a 24-year legal battle to have her neighbour's leylandii trees cut down for blocking sunlight to her garden. I like Dawn Redwoods, Not an evergreen but looks like one in the summer and nice bark, shape, grows fast. Dawn Redwoods are interesting ancient trees, I especially like their trunk bark, cinnamon hued and fissured. I planted two... one was ~6' when I planted it, now 12 years later ~18', the other was in a pot. ~30" when I planted it, now ~10'. They are not very fast growing, perhaps 1' per year. They are planted in my wildflower meadow, I keep them fenced from deer. The smaller Dawn Redwood, that's Newt: http://i65.tinypic.com/2qsuhlh.jpg Same tree, I maintain many walking paths: http://i68.tinypic.com/140dmjq.jpg The larger Dawn Redwood: http://i66.tinypic.com/2uiws2u.jpg You can see the larger Dawn Redwood way out in the wildflower meadow: http://i64.tinypic.com/20tkvhh.jpg These pictures were taken in 2012. Newt was a great barn cat, no longer with us. He stopped eating, Vet said inoperable throat cancer. Had to put him down, a very sad time, Newt is resting by his barn. For those who don't know Tinypics can be enlarged; close the ads, click on picture, then click on "View Raw Image" and click on picture to enlarge. http://www.dawnredwood.org/INFORMATION.htm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metase...yptostroboides Keep in mind that most plant nurserys use photoshopped pictures and greatly exaggerate plant growth facts. Dawn Redwood does not look like that picture nor does it grow several feet per year, in my opinion their reviews were obviously cherry picked and doctored: http://www.fast-growing-trees.com/DawnRedwood.htm My neighbor planted one as a sapling. It's now about 50ft tall. -- Dan Espen |
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Dan Espen wrote:
DawnRedwood My neighbor planted one as a sapling. It's now about 50ft tall. How long ago? Do you have a picture? |
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J. Clarke wrote:
In article , says... Brooklyn1 writes: Dazzamancs wrote: I have a very large garden and I have purchased a 16ft Leylandi which is going to be 40 meter away from any building structure. But I dont know how to plant it. You are speaking of a totally valueless weed... makes a quick growing hedge that doesn't live long and is susceptable to many diseases. You'd have done much better buying a 2' tall seedling for like $2... actually you'd have done far better not buying that weed at all. In real life, I find the tree attractive. I can't picture a homeowner planting a 16ft tree. There should be tractors involved in the process. Wikipedia has some interesting comments about the legal risks to having the tree: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leylan...#Legal_aspects The plant's rapid growth (up to a metre per year) and great potential height ? often over 20 metres (66 ft) tall, sometimes as high as 35 metres (115 ft) ? can become a serious problem. In 2005 in the United Kingdom, an estimated 17,000 people were at loggerheads over high hedges, which led to violence and in at least one case murder, when in 2001, retired Environment Agency officer Llandis Burdon, 57, was shot dead after an alleged dispute over a leylandii hedge in Talybont-on-Usk, Powys. Part VIII of the United Kingdom's Anti-Social Behaviour Act 2003, introduced in 2005, gave a way for people affected by high hedges (usually, but not necessarily, of leylandii) to ask their local authority to investigate complaints about the hedges, and gave the authorities in England and Wales power to have the hedges reduced in height. In May 2008, UK resident Christine Wright won a 24-year legal battle to have her neighbour's leylandii trees cut down for blocking sunlight to her garden. I like Dawn Redwoods, Not an evergreen but looks like one in the summer and nice bark, shape, grows fast. Sounds like the British need to trim the size of their government down to where it has enough to do without worrying about somebody's hedge. So you think it's OK to grow a hedge that completely shades out your neighbor's garden, and the neighbor should have no recourse? |
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J. Clarke wrote: In article , says... Brooklyn1 writes: Dazzamancs wrote: I have a very large garden and I have purchased a 16ft Leylandi which is going to be 40 meter away from any building structure. But I dont know how to plant it. You are speaking of a totally valueless weed... makes a quick growing hedge that doesn't live long and is susceptable to many diseases. You'd have done much better buying a 2' tall seedling for like $2... actually you'd have done far better not buying that weed at all. In real life, I find the tree attractive. I can't picture a homeowner planting a 16ft tree. There should be tractors involved in the process. Wikipedia has some interesting comments about the legal risks to having the tree: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leylan...#Legal_aspects The plant's rapid growth (up to a metre per year) and great potential height ? often over 20 metres (66 ft) tall, sometimes as high as 35 metres (115 ft) ? can become a serious problem. In 2005 in the United Kingdom, an estimated 17,000 people were at loggerheads over high hedges, which led to violence and in at least one case murder, when in 2001, retired Environment Agency officer Llandis Burdon, 57, was shot dead after an alleged dispute over a leylandii hedge in Talybont-on-Usk, Powys. Part VIII of the United Kingdom's Anti-Social Behaviour Act 2003, introduced in 2005, gave a way for people affected by high hedges (usually, but not necessarily, of leylandii) to ask their local authority to investigate complaints about the hedges, and gave the authorities in England and Wales power to have the hedges reduced in height. In May 2008, UK resident Christine Wright won a 24-year legal battle to have her neighbour's leylandii trees cut down for blocking sunlight to her garden. I like Dawn Redwoods, Not an evergreen but looks like one in the summer and nice bark, shape, grows fast. Sounds like the British need to trim the size of their government down to where it has enough to do without worrying about somebody's hedge. So you think it's OK to grow a hedge that completely shades out your neighbor's garden, and the neighbor should have no recourse? If he can prove economic harm he has resource in the courts. If he can't, he's welcome to move. |
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On Sun, 8 May 2016 13:46:17 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote: In article , says... J. Clarke wrote: In article , says... Brooklyn1 writes: Dazzamancs wrote: I have a very large garden and I have purchased a 16ft Leylandi which is going to be 40 meter away from any building structure. But I dont know how to plant it. You are speaking of a totally valueless weed... makes a quick growing hedge that doesn't live long and is susceptable to many diseases. You'd have done much better buying a 2' tall seedling for like $2... actually you'd have done far better not buying that weed at all. In real life, I find the tree attractive. I can't picture a homeowner planting a 16ft tree. There should be tractors involved in the process. Wikipedia has some interesting comments about the legal risks to having the tree: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leylan...#Legal_aspects The plant's rapid growth (up to a metre per year) and great potential height ? often over 20 metres (66 ft) tall, sometimes as high as 35 metres (115 ft) ? can become a serious problem. In 2005 in the United Kingdom, an estimated 17,000 people were at loggerheads over high hedges, which led to violence and in at least one case murder, when in 2001, retired Environment Agency officer Llandis Burdon, 57, was shot dead after an alleged dispute over a leylandii hedge in Talybont-on-Usk, Powys. Part VIII of the United Kingdom's Anti-Social Behaviour Act 2003, introduced in 2005, gave a way for people affected by high hedges (usually, but not necessarily, of leylandii) to ask their local authority to investigate complaints about the hedges, and gave the authorities in England and Wales power to have the hedges reduced in height. In May 2008, UK resident Christine Wright won a 24-year legal battle to have her neighbour's leylandii trees cut down for blocking sunlight to her garden. I like Dawn Redwoods, Not an evergreen but looks like one in the summer and nice bark, shape, grows fast. Sounds like the British need to trim the size of their government down to where it has enough to do without worrying about somebody's hedge. So you think it's OK to grow a hedge that completely shades out your neighbor's garden, and the neighbor should have no recourse? If he can prove economic harm he has resource in the courts. If he can't, he's welcome to move. Or he can wait some time after you plant it and give it a few small doses of defoliant until it wilts and dies. It's always best to get along with neighbors, there are ways to compromise. Robert Frost wrote "Good Fences Make Good Neighbors", however the obverse is "Good Neighbors Make Good Fences". |
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On 5/8/2016 3:45 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
On Sun, 8 May 2016 13:46:17 -0400, "J. Clarke" wrote: If he can prove economic harm he has resource in the courts. If he can't, he's welcome to move. Or he can wait some time after you plant it and give it a few small doses of defoliant until it wilts and dies. I had to do that. Neighbor is a hoarder, so she won't even remove trash trees that sprout from seed along the property line. One of them got quite large over the years as we kept politely requesting she take it down, and she kept prevaricating. After two instances of damage to my property caused by limbs coming down from the tree, I treated the tree with brushkiller. She eventually noticed it was dying, and finally had it taken down. I rented a bucket lift a few years ago and trimmed another one of her trees that was overhanging my house since she refused to spend money to get the tree trimmed. I hacked off everything hanging over my property line. She then asked if I'd trim the very large and extremely dangerous branch hanging completely over her house. She's too cheap to have it professionally done, and it is far too dangerous for me to take on, so I refused. If it comes down in a storm, it will destroy the house and kill anyone inside - but to her, that's less frightening than writing a check to have it removed. |
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Planting a 16ft Leylandi - HELP
Brooklyn1 wrote:
On Sun, 8 May 2016 13:46:17 -0400, "J. Clarke" wrote: In article , says... J. Clarke wrote: In article , says... Brooklyn1 writes: Dazzamancs wrote: I have a very large garden and I have purchased a 16ft Leylandi which is going to be 40 meter away from any building structure. But I dont know how to plant it. You are speaking of a totally valueless weed... makes a quick growing hedge that doesn't live long and is susceptable to many diseases. You'd have done much better buying a 2' tall seedling for like $2... actually you'd have done far better not buying that weed at all. In real life, I find the tree attractive. I can't picture a homeowner planting a 16ft tree. There should be tractors involved in the process. Wikipedia has some interesting comments about the legal risks to having the tree: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leylan...#Legal_aspects The plant's rapid growth (up to a metre per year) and great potential height ? often over 20 metres (66 ft) tall, sometimes as high as 35 metres (115 ft) ? can become a serious problem. In 2005 in the United Kingdom, an estimated 17,000 people were at loggerheads over high hedges, which led to violence and in at least one case murder, when in 2001, retired Environment Agency officer Llandis Burdon, 57, was shot dead after an alleged dispute over a leylandii hedge in Talybont-on-Usk, Powys. Part VIII of the United Kingdom's Anti-Social Behaviour Act 2003, introduced in 2005, gave a way for people affected by high hedges (usually, but not necessarily, of leylandii) to ask their local authority to investigate complaints about the hedges, and gave the authorities in England and Wales power to have the hedges reduced in height. In May 2008, UK resident Christine Wright won a 24-year legal battle to have her neighbour's leylandii trees cut down for blocking sunlight to her garden. I like Dawn Redwoods, Not an evergreen but looks like one in the summer and nice bark, shape, grows fast. Sounds like the British need to trim the size of their government down to where it has enough to do without worrying about somebody's hedge. So you think it's OK to grow a hedge that completely shades out your neighbor's garden, and the neighbor should have no recourse? If he can prove economic harm he has resource in the courts. If he can't, he's welcome to move. Or he can wait some time after you plant it and give it a few small doses of defoliant until it wilts and dies. It's always best to get along with neighbors, there are ways to compromise. Robert Frost wrote "Good Fences Make Good Neighbors", however the obverse is "Good Neighbors Make Good Fences". Our state "EPA" came and had a long talk with an old neighbor once after he sprayed a shrub next to his yard. They actually tested the shrub for chemicals before going to the offender. In this state anyway, such actions are very illegal. |
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On 5/9/2016 9:52 PM, Bob F wrote:
Our state "EPA" came and had a long talk with an old neighbor once after he sprayed a shrub next to his yard. They actually tested the shrub for chemicals before going to the offender. In this state anyway, such actions are very illegal. I'm truly surprised that your state's EPA had the staff and the time to send someone out for such a picayune problem. When I worked in the business, a coworker and I separately notified our state's EPA about our company violating the law by obtaining and selling a banned pesticide. The owner was promoting the stuff for off-label use, too. We even had farmers buying it for their food crops, which was a huge no-no. The EPA told us they didn't have the staff or budget to investigate everything reported to them, so they only focused on large-scale offenders, and thus elected to not follow up on our reports. |
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Moe DeLoughan wrote:
Bob F wrote: Our state "EPA" came and had a long talk with an old neighbor once after he sprayed a shrub next to his yard. They actually tested the shrub for chemicals before going to the offender. In this state anyway, such actions are very illegal. I'm truly surprised that your state's EPA had the staff and the time to send someone out for such a picayune problem. When I worked in the business, a coworker and I separately notified our state's EPA about our company violating the law by obtaining and selling a banned pesticide. The owner was promoting the stuff for off-label use, too. We even had farmers buying it for their food crops, which was a huge no-no. The EPA told us they didn't have the staff or budget to investigate everything reported to them, so they only focused on large-scale offenders, and thus elected to not follow up on our reports. The EPA operates the same for every state, the EPA is Federal. I think Bob F. made that story up. The EPA doesn't get involved in residential neighbor disputes/torts, it's difficult to get the EPA to investigate someone dumping a little motor oil because without substantial evidence it's nigh impossible to date the time of the spill, might have occured twenty years before the accused was born. About all one can do when suspecting a neighbor of poisoning a plant or three with a little over-spray is hire an attorney (if one can be found who will take such a case) who may have a private laboratory investigate, at the litigant's cost naturally, but be aware that common defolients one can buy at plant nurserys dissipate rapidly, especially, when used in a weak solution. Before and after photos may become evidence, and any witnesses one can locate, you'd pretty much need an in-the-act video of the event... then call Judge Judy. Don't laugh, she's presided over such cases, they're usually dismissed for lack of evidence. A newly planted tree can do fine for a few years and then they slowly begin to die, I've had it happen a half dozen times... insects/disease.... I've had two beech trees totally hollowed by carpenter ants, one day I started to prune some small lower branches and they just fell over, they were as hollow as soda straws. I've had apple trees decimated by black knot disease, by the time it's noticed it's too late. I've had rabbits girdle a pair of flowering chestnut trees, guess they couldn't resist that sweet bark, I had them fenced from deer but didn't think about bunnies going under the fence... did you ever try to sue rabbits? |
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