Hello.

Here are two photographs:
1. http://i.imgur.com/v10OE56.jpg
2. http://i.imgur.com/n0w5Kno.jpg

Bad dirt? Not enough sun? Too much sun? Not enough water? Too moist?
Other plants and trees, near them, are doing fine though. They are in
Southern California near a house.

Thank you in advance.
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Ant wrote:
Hello.

Here are two photographs:
1. http://i.imgur.com/v10OE56.jpg
2. http://i.imgur.com/n0w5Kno.jpg

Bad dirt? Not enough sun? Too much sun? Not enough water? Too moist?
Other plants and trees, near them, are doing fine though. They are in
Southern California near a house.

Thank you in advance.

What are they?
What is the soil like? (texture, depth, pH, content)
How moist is it? (scrape away the bark and stick your finger in)

The first looks about to die. Why are so many branches cut off? What
direction is the wall from #1? How many hours a day does the sun hit the
wall now?

The second doesn't look too bad but the photo is overexposed and I can't see
the colour of the leaves. What seems to be wrong with it?
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On 16/05/2015 11:39 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
Ant wrote:
Hello.

Here are two photographs:
1. http://i.imgur.com/v10OE56.jpg
2. http://i.imgur.com/n0w5Kno.jpg

Bad dirt? Not enough sun? Too much sun? Not enough water? Too moist?
Other plants and trees, near them, are doing fine though. They are in
Southern California near a house.

Thank you in advance.

What are they?
What is the soil like? (texture, depth, pH, content)
How moist is it? (scrape away the bark and stick your finger in)

The first looks about to die. Why are so many branches cut off? What
direction is the wall from #1? How many hours a day does the sun hit
the wall now?

The second doesn't look too bad but the photo is overexposed and I can't
see the colour of the leaves. What seems to be wrong with it?


The soil looks very dry from those pics. How much moisture is there 2
inches down?

On 5/16/2015 6:39 AM, David Hare-Scott wrote:

Here are two photographs:
1. http://i.imgur.com/v10OE56.jpg
2. http://i.imgur.com/n0w5Kno.jpg

Bad dirt? Not enough sun? Too much sun? Not enough water? Too moist?
Other plants and trees, near them, are doing fine though. They are in
Southern California near a house.

What are they?
What is the soil like? (texture, depth, pH, content)

I have no idea. They were there since my family moved here (months).
From what I saw and touched, it gets wet during the nightly water
sprinklers. When dried from the sun during hot times, then they get
hard. I know there are snails, Argentine ants, roly pollies (pill/sow
bugs), lizards, coyotes (rarely), etc.


How moist is it? (scrape away the bark and stick your finger in)

OK, I will try that. I will need to find a way to rip its barks.


The first looks about to die. Why are so many branches cut off? What
direction is the wall from #1? How many hours a day does the sun hit
the wall now?

That is why I was posting. It is not doing well. It got too big and
interfere with this adjacent walkway. I'd say the sun shine in this area
from the late morning hours to late afternoon/early evening hours. This
area gets way too bright for me to close my window blinds, so I could
see my computer monitors. The sun rises behind this white wall among the
huge hill with green trees, plants, etc.


The second doesn't look too bad but the photo is overexposed and I can't
see the colour of the leaves. What seems to be wrong with it?

Ignore the green leaves in the background. The tree is pretty has no
leaves like the other one. :/

Facing this wall, it is about 58 degrees (NE) according to iOS v8.3's
compass.
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On 5/16/2015 10:28 PM, Fran Farmer wrote:

The soil looks very dry from those pics. How much moisture is there 2
inches down?

I will have to check. I know the water sprinklers come on during the
night hours. We just had a recent rain storm (.68 inches) a couple days
ago. I wonder if they will be better.
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On Sunday, May 17, 2015 at 2:42:05 AM UTC-4, Ant wrote:


That is why I was posting. It is not doing well. It got too big and
interfere with this adjacent walkway. I'd say the sun shine in this area
from the late morning hours to late afternoon/early evening hours. This
area gets way too bright for me to close my window blinds, so I could
see my computer monitors. The sun rises behind this white wall among the
huge hill with green trees, plants, etc.


If it was cut back because it was impinging on the walkway
and given how tiny it is now, I'd say the problem was that
way too much was taken off. It sounds like it went from
a substantial bush to just a stick, was severely shocked
and is now struggling and may never recover.

The other pic of the small tree, looks like there is a hole
in the trunk near the top and also possibly smaller holes
in the branches. If so, it probably has a boring insect of
some kind. Once they are at work, it's usually over.

Ant wrote:
On 5/16/2015 6:39 AM, David Hare-Scott wrote:

Here are two photographs:
1. http://i.imgur.com/v10OE56.jpg
2. http://i.imgur.com/n0w5Kno.jpg

Bad dirt? Not enough sun? Too much sun? Not enough water? Too moist?
Other plants and trees, near them, are doing fine though. They are
in Southern California near a house.

What are they?
What is the soil like? (texture, depth, pH, content)

I have no idea. They were there since my family moved here (months).
From what I saw and touched, it gets wet during the nightly water
sprinklers. When dried from the sun during hot times, then they get
hard. I know there are snails, Argentine ants, roly pollies (pill/sow
bugs), lizards, coyotes (rarely), etc.

You need to find out. With no information about the conditions any
diagnosis of the problem will be a wild guess.



How moist is it? (scrape away the bark and stick your finger in)

OK, I will try that. I will need to find a way to rip its barks.

I mean the bark chips on top of the soil not the bark of the tree.



The first looks about to die. Why are so many branches cut off? What
direction is the wall from #1? How many hours a day does the
sun hit the wall now?

That is why I was posting. It is not doing well. It got too big and
interfere with this adjacent walkway.

So you hacked it down to little more than a stump? Before pruning it is an
idea to find out what the plant is and how to prune it.

Before you cut it what did it look like?

I'd say the sun shine in this
area from the late morning hours to late afternoon/early evening
hours. This area gets way too bright for me to close my window
blinds, so I could see my computer monitors. The sun rises behind
this white wall among the huge hill with green trees, plants, etc.


Brick or stone walls reflect a lot of heat and store it until after
nightfall. Perhaps the plant is getting baked.


The second doesn't look too bad but the photo is overexposed and I
can't see the colour of the leaves. What seems to be wrong with it?

Ignore the green leaves in the background. The tree is pretty has no
leaves like the other one. :/


I don't know what that means. Are we talking about the same plant?

Facing this wall, it is about 58 degrees (NE) according to iOS v8.3's
compass.

This is not clear to me. Do you mean the wall run NE to SW and so you are
standing on the SE side of it? Or if you face the wall you are facing NE,
that is you are on the SW side of it? I'm confused.

The point is if the sun is mainly on the other side of the wall a short
sun-loving plant will never get enough sun to grow well. If the sun is on
the same side as the plant it may get baked on hot days. How serious this
may be depends on the plnat, the soil and how much water it gets.

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That is why I was posting. It is not doing well. It got too big and
interfere with this adjacent walkway. I'd say the sun shine in this area
from the late morning hours to late afternoon/early evening hours. This
area gets way too bright for me to close my window blinds, so I could
see my computer monitors. The sun rises behind this white wall among the
huge hill with green trees, plants, etc.

If it was cut back because it was impinging on the walkway
and given how tiny it is now, I'd say the problem was that
way too much was taken off. It sounds like it went from
a substantial bush to just a stick, was severely shocked
and is now struggling and may never recover.

The other pic of the small tree, looks like there is a hole
in the trunk near the top and also possibly smaller holes
in the branches. If so, it probably has a boring insect of
some kind. Once they are at work, it's usually over.

Ah, thanks. I noticed very tiny green leaves growing a few days ago.
Maybe it is water related due to the recent cold rain storms. We'll see...
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How moist is it? (scrape away the bark and stick your finger in)

OK, I will try that. I will need to find a way to rip its barks.

I mean the bark chips on top of the soil not the bark of the tree.

Oh! Ha, I was going to ask how to rip its bark to check.


The first looks about to die. Why are so many branches cut off? What
direction is the wall from #1? How many hours a day does the
sun hit the wall now?

That is why I was posting. It is not doing well. It got too big and
interfere with this adjacent walkway.

So you hacked it down to little more than a stump? Before pruning it is
an idea to find out what the plant is and how to prune it.

Before you cut it what did it look like?

I don't even remember now. :/


I'd say the sun shine in this
area from the late morning hours to late afternoon/early evening
hours. This area gets way too bright for me to close my window
blinds, so I could see my computer monitors. The sun rises behind
this white wall among the huge hill with green trees, plants, etc.

Brick or stone walls reflect a lot of heat and store it until after
nightfall. Perhaps the plant is getting baked.

Hmm. What about previous heat waves (can get up to 100F degrees!) like
last year? Recently, it hasn't been that hot but it is coming again like
every year.


The second doesn't look too bad but the photo is overexposed and I
can't see the colour of the leaves. What seems to be wrong with it?

Ignore the green leaves in the background. The tree is pretty has no
leaves like the other one. :/

I don't know what that means. Are we talking about the same plant?

Oops. I meant to say "... The tree pretty has no leaves like the other
one..." There's a naked small tree, without leaves, in the front of the
wall with lots of green plants up the hill.



Facing this wall, it is about 58 degrees (NE) according to iOS v8.3's
compass.

This is not clear to me. Do you mean the wall run NE to SW and so you
are standing on the SE side of it? Or if you face the wall you are
facing NE, that is you are on the SW side of it? I'm confused.

I was facing this white wall with the iPhone horizontally pointing at it
in front of me.


The point is if the sun is mainly on the other side of the wall a short
sun-loving plant will never get enough sun to grow well. If the sun is
on the same side as the plant it may get baked on hot days. How serious
this may be depends on the plnat, the soil and how much water it gets.

Ah. Hmm, how can we figure out these unidentified plants with very few
tiny leaves to know what it wants (less sun, more water, etc.).
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That is why I was posting. It is not doing well. It got too big and
interfere with this adjacent walkway. I'd say the sun shine in this area
from the late morning hours to late afternoon/early evening hours. This
area gets way too bright for me to close my window blinds, so I could
see my computer monitors. The sun rises behind this white wall among the
huge hill with green trees, plants, etc.

If it was cut back because it was impinging on the walkway
and given how tiny it is now, I'd say the problem was that
way too much was taken off. It sounds like it went from
a substantial bush to just a stick, was severely shocked
and is now struggling and may never recover.

The other pic of the small tree, looks like there is a hole
in the trunk near the top and also possibly smaller holes
in the branches. If so, it probably has a boring insect of
some kind. Once they are at work, it's usually over.

Ah, thanks. I noticed very tiny green leaves growing a few days ago.
Maybe it is water related due to the recent cold rain storms. We'll see...

It had been hot and dry lately (yesterday was almost 100F degrees!), and
their leaves turned brown and fell. So, it does look like it is water
related.
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