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Yes, once again I'm asking for help.
Is there a trick that will align text within a table? In both Netscape and IE. One cell in the table contains a very long list. The second cell is also a list, but not as long - yet. See: http://www.aospacificcentral.org/indexlist.html I *think* my trouble comes from having the text centered in both cells. Since one list is shorter than the other I had to add paragraph 'spacers' to the end of it (the 2003 list) in order so the text would be visually aligned with the text in 2002. Its aligned when I view the page in Netscape, but off when viewed with Internet explorer. If there's a common technique then I'll use it. If not then that's the way the cookie crumbles and that's the way the page stays. I'm not going to obscess over getting the lists to line up. Thanks! K Barrett |
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K,
You might try adding the "valign=top" option to the definition of BOTH cells, so it would look like the following: TD BGCOLOR="#f0c98e" WIDTH="50%" valign="top" In this way you can also remove all the P /P. Just one thing. This works in MSIE but I don't have Netscape available for testing this at the moment, so you have to try that yourselves. I hope it helps to solve you problem. All the best, Rob Zuiderwijk E-Mail : Website : PhragWeb - The Phragmipedium WebSite. (http://www.phragweb.info) "K Barrett" wrote in message news:Kew6a.222461$2H6.3975@sccrnsc04... Yes, once again I'm asking for help. Is there a trick that will align text within a table? In both Netscape and IE. One cell in the table contains a very long list. The second cell is also a list, but not as long - yet. See: http://www.aospacificcentral.org/indexlist.html I *think* my trouble comes from having the text centered in both cells. Since one list is shorter than the other I had to add paragraph 'spacers' to the end of it (the 2003 list) in order so the text would be visually aligned with the text in 2002. Its aligned when I view the page in Netscape, but off when viewed with Internet explorer. If there's a common technique then I'll use it. If not then that's the way the cookie crumbles and that's the way the page stays. I'm not going to obscess over getting the lists to line up. Thanks! K Barrett |
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K Barrett wrote:
Yes, once again I'm asking for help. Is there a trick that will align text within a table? In both Netscape and IE. One cell in the table contains a very long list. The second cell is also a list, but not as long - yet. See: http://www.aospacificcentral.org/indexlist.html I *think* my trouble comes from having the text centered in both cells. Since one list is shorter than the other I had to add paragraph 'spacers' to the end of it (the 2003 list) in order so the text would be visually aligned with the text in 2002. Its aligned when I view the page in Netscape, but off when viewed with Internet explorer. If there's a common technique then I'll use it. If not then that's the way the cookie crumbles and that's the way the page stays. I'm not going to obscess over getting the lists to line up. Thanks! K Barrett Put valign="top" within the table data td tag and everything in that cell starts at the top of the cell. -- Ray Contreras =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Webmonkey for: http://www.ossystems.com http://www.bobs-garage.com http://www.rayzplace.com |
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K Barrett wrote:
Yes, once again I'm asking for help. Is there a trick that will align text within a table? In both Netscape and IE. One cell in the table contains a very long list. The second cell is also a list, but not as long - yet. See: http://www.aospacificcentral.org/indexlist.html I *think* my trouble comes from having the text centered in both cells. Since one list is shorter than the other I had to add paragraph 'spacers' to the end of it (the 2003 list) in order so the text would be visually aligned with the text in 2002. Its aligned when I view the page in Netscape, but off when viewed with Internet explorer. If there's a common technique then I'll use it. If not then that's the way the cookie crumbles and that's the way the page stays. I'm not going to obscess over getting the lists to line up. Thanks! K Barrett Oh, I forgot to say this in the last one, but it is better to make your table width 100% instead of a pixel width. That way, the browser sets the table to the appropriate width for the person looking at your pages. Many people use 640x480 or 1024x768 and your table size is 800x600 specific. Just my $.02 -- Ray Contreras =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Webmonkey for: http://www.ossystems.com http://www.bobs-garage.com http://www.rayzplace.com |
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Thank you very very much!! You've saved my life!
K Barrett Rob Zuiderwijk wrote: K, You might try adding the "valign=top" option to the definition of BOTH cells, so it would look like the following: TD BGCOLOR="#f0c98e" WIDTH="50%" valign="top" In this way you can also remove all the P /P. Just one thing. This works in MSIE but I don't have Netscape available for testing this at the moment, so you have to try that yourselves. I hope it helps to solve you problem. All the best, Rob Zuiderwijk E-Mail : Website : PhragWeb - The Phragmipedium WebSite. (http://www.phragweb.info) "K Barrett" wrote in message news:Kew6a.222461$2H6.3975@sccrnsc04... Yes, once again I'm asking for help. Is there a trick that will align text within a table? In both Netscape and IE. One cell in the table contains a very long list. The second cell is also a list, but not as long - yet. See: http://www.aospacificcentral.org/indexlist.html I *think* my trouble comes from having the text centered in both cells. Since one list is shorter than the other I had to add paragraph 'spacers' to the end of it (the 2003 list) in order so the text would be visually aligned with the text in 2002. Its aligned when I view the page in Netscape, but off when viewed with Internet explorer. If there's a common technique then I'll use it. If not then that's the way the cookie crumbles and that's the way the page stays. I'm not going to obscess over getting the lists to line up. Thanks! K Barrett |
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Thank you very very much! You too have saved my life!! As for the table
width, I guess its a pet peeve of someone else I took advice from: that the table should be a certain size so your head doesn't have to move from side to side when you read across it. (For folks with large monitors...) your eyes do most of the movement.... So that's why I have a pixel size. For what its worth. K Barrett RayC wrote: K Barrett wrote: Yes, once again I'm asking for help. Is there a trick that will align text within a table? In both Netscape and IE. One cell in the table contains a very long list. The second cell is also a list, but not as long - yet. See: http://www.aospacificcentral.org/indexlist.html I *think* my trouble comes from having the text centered in both cells. Since one list is shorter than the other I had to add paragraph 'spacers' to the end of it (the 2003 list) in order so the text would be visually aligned with the text in 2002. Its aligned when I view the page in Netscape, but off when viewed with Internet explorer. If there's a common technique then I'll use it. If not then that's the way the cookie crumbles and that's the way the page stays. I'm not going to obscess over getting the lists to line up. Thanks! K Barrett Oh, I forgot to say this in the last one, but it is better to make your table width 100% instead of a pixel width. That way, the browser sets the table to the appropriate width for the person looking at your pages. Many people use 640x480 or 1024x768 and your table size is 800x600 specific. Just my $.02 -- Ray Contreras =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Webmonkey for: http://www.ossystems.com http://www.bobs-garage.com http://www.rayzplace.com |
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One problem with setting the width to a percentage of the screen, rather
than a fixed pixel width is that the formatting - or at least the wrapping - changes dependent on the viewer's monitor. By setting the width to a pixel size based upon the least common denominator, you know it will be the same for all. -- Ray Barkalow First Rays Orchids http://www.firstrays.com Secure Online Ordering & Lots of Free Info! "RayC" wrote in message ... K Barrett wrote: Yes, once again I'm asking for help. Is there a trick that will align text within a table? In both Netscape and IE. One cell in the table contains a very long list. The second cell is also a list, but not as long - yet. See: http://www.aospacificcentral.org/indexlist.html I *think* my trouble comes from having the text centered in both cells. Since one list is shorter than the other I had to add paragraph 'spacers' to the end of it (the 2003 list) in order so the text would be visually aligned with the text in 2002. Its aligned when I view the page in Netscape, but off when viewed with Internet explorer. If there's a common technique then I'll use it. If not then that's the way the cookie crumbles and that's the way the page stays. I'm not going to obscess over getting the lists to line up. Thanks! K Barrett Oh, I forgot to say this in the last one, but it is better to make your table width 100% instead of a pixel width. That way, the browser sets the table to the appropriate width for the person looking at your pages. Many people use 640x480 or 1024x768 and your table size is 800x600 specific. Just my $.02 -- Ray Contreras =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Webmonkey for: http://www.ossystems.com http://www.bobs-garage.com http://www.rayzplace.com |
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"Ray @ First Rays Orchids" writes:
changes dependent on the viewer's monitor. By setting the width to a pixel size based upon the least common denominator, you know it will be the same for all. Sure, but people like me who have the Monitor From Hell(tm) and are running at 2000x1600pixels may be a little frustrated when someone assumes we want to use only 800x600 (or about 15% of the screen area). The results are usually quite unreadable. Assuming something about the web clients out there is not a good idea today. Geir |
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Geir,
The size of the table doesn't change the size/readability of the text. A table build for 800 x 600 would contain the same size characters as a table that would be set for your 2000 x 1600. It's all in the resolution setting of your monitor/graphics adapter. Just my ?0.02. Rob Zuiderwijk E-Mail : Website : PhragWeb - The Phragmipedium WebSite. (http://www.phragweb.info) "Geir Harris Hedemark" wrote in message ... "Ray @ First Rays Orchids" writes: changes dependent on the viewer's monitor. By setting the width to a pixel size based upon the least common denominator, you know it will be the same for all. Sure, but people like me who have the Monitor From Hell(tm) and are running at 2000x1600pixels may be a little frustrated when someone assumes we want to use only 800x600 (or about 15% of the screen area). The results are usually quite unreadable. Assuming something about the web clients out there is not a good idea today. Geir |
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Xref: news7 rec.gardens.orchids:41696
I saved your life! I'm glad I did respond as quick as I did. Imagine what could have happened if I was somewhat later. ) Serious. No problem. Your welcome. Rob E-Mail : Website : PhragWeb - The Phragmipedium WebSite. (http://www.phragweb.info) "K Barrett" wrote in message ... Thank you very very much!! You've saved my life! K Barrett snip |
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"Rob Zuiderwijk" writes:
The size of the table doesn't change the size/readability of the text. A table build for 800 x 600 would contain the same size characters as a table that would be set for your 2000 x 1600. It's all in the resolution setting of your monitor/graphics adapter. The glyphs would be the same number of _pixels_, yes. But when someone runs 2kx1k6 on a 21" monitor, the pixels are much smaller than on a k8xk6 display on a 17" monitor. I _would_ have liked to have something along the lines of a 50" monitor, but I don't, and I would get _such_ a crick in the neck from looking at that large a monitor from 40cm distance. In other words, the glyphs put on the screen would be _much_ smaller than if my default font were used. Setting the widths of tables in pixels is a nasty thing, and I would like to pour a glass of cold water down the neck of the person who thought it would be a good idea. Geir - gets off the soapbox again |
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LOL!!!
I love the Phragweb page. I just looked at it for the 1st time in many years. Wow! Nice work! Not only in the page design but also the information... hmmm that didn't come out the way I wanted, but the compliment is there. Anyway, I'll be placing a link on the aos page when I do my next update. Kath "Rob Zuiderwijk" wrote in message ... I saved your life! I'm glad I did respond as quick as I did. Imagine what could have happened if I was somewhat later. ) Serious. No problem. Your welcome. Rob E-Mail : Website : PhragWeb - The Phragmipedium WebSite. (http://www.phragweb.info) "K Barrett" wrote in message ... Thank you very very much!! You've saved my life! K Barrett snip |
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"Ray @ First Rays Orchids" wrote:
One problem with setting the width to a percentage of the screen, rather than a fixed pixel width is that the formatting - or at least the wrapping - changes dependent on the viewer's monitor. By setting the width to a pixel size based upon the least common denominator, you know it will be the same for all. -- Ray Barkalow First Rays Orchids http://www.firstrays.com Secure Online Ordering & Lots of Free Info! While that is indeed true, it can be like reading a paper through a telescope if the table is bigger than your monitor resolution. You have to constantly slide back and forth just to read the page. I that case the formatting, no matter how perfect it was laid out, is lost on the reader. On your own site, for instance, when viewed with a 640x480 resolution, the home page is just a little large and the infamous slider (scroll bar) appears at the bottom of the page. On 800x600 it looks perfect and on 1024x768 or bigger, it just looks like a stripe of information down the center of the page. Plus, it looks like your webmaster designed for 800x600 for the home page and then used the 100% table setting for the orchid pictures. See, even your own webmaster can't figure out what is best! This was a big time discussion by the HTML Writers Guild some 8 years ago and most agreed that percentages made more sense in whole page tables. Just my $.02 -- Ray Contreras =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Webmonkey for: http://www.ossystems.com http://www.bobs-garage.com http://www.rayzplace.com |
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Ray,
No argument about your comments at all, I was simply adding my own two cents' worth... As I'm the webmaster, let me share the logic intended for the First Rays site: Due to tracking done by my web host, I know that more than 97% of the visitors to the site use a resolution of 800 x 600 or higher, so I consider that to be the least common denominator, and as much as possible - when tabular data seemed appropriate - tried to stick to that. In the cases of the photos, for which I deemed the readjustment of the material to be insignificant, I didn't worry about it too much. I try to be consistent, but as I am a one-man show for a business that's grown a lot faster than I expected, sometimes I'm just to busy, and I've just got to not let it worry me. -- Ray Barkalow First Rays Orchids http://www.firstrays.com Secure Online Ordering & Lots of Free Info! "RayC" wrote in message ... "Ray @ First Rays Orchids" wrote: One problem with setting the width to a percentage of the screen, rather than a fixed pixel width is that the formatting - or at least the wrapping - changes dependent on the viewer's monitor. By setting the width to a pixel size based upon the least common denominator, you know it will be the same for all. -- Ray Barkalow First Rays Orchids http://www.firstrays.com Secure Online Ordering & Lots of Free Info! While that is indeed true, it can be like reading a paper through a telescope if the table is bigger than your monitor resolution. You have to constantly slide back and forth just to read the page. I that case the formatting, no matter how perfect it was laid out, is lost on the reader. On your own site, for instance, when viewed with a 640x480 resolution, the home page is just a little large and the infamous slider (scroll bar) appears at the bottom of the page. On 800x600 it looks perfect and on 1024x768 or bigger, it just looks like a stripe of information down the center of the page. Plus, it looks like your webmaster designed for 800x600 for the home page and then used the 100% table setting for the orchid pictures. See, even your own webmaster can't figure out what is best! This was a big time discussion by the HTML Writers Guild some 8 years ago and most agreed that percentages made more sense in whole page tables. Just my $.02 -- Ray Contreras =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Webmonkey for: http://www.ossystems.com http://www.bobs-garage.com http://www.rayzplace.com |
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