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Help request: Designing above ground indoor pond
I'm looking for any suggestions for an above-ground indoor pond.
Our constraints: The room we are using has a solid concrete floor and we have a space about 10'*8' and would like the pond wall to be 24" to 36" high (36" seems to be a max height for comfortable sitting, I am concerned that water less than 24" deep will get too warm in the summer). We don't want to do anything permanent, so no mortar or concrete if it can possibly be avoided. We have dogs & cats that are very inquisitive. I'm more than a little concerned about the effects of a ripped liner indoors. Here are my thoughts so far: Flexible liner This seems to give the most flexible design, but the drawbacks I see are the potential for a tear and making sure it doesn't collapse. I've thought of 2 solutions to holding the pond together: 1) stacking retaining wall blocks, but I'm not sure these would hold the pressure of a deep pond, 2) building a wooden box from green-treat 2*x's with 4*4 corner posts. I think the wooden box would be stronger, but would it be strong enough? Pre-form I haven't been able to find any large (150g) pre-form ponds in this area and would like something around 500g or larger. I've seen that these are available elsewhere and I'm looking on the internet. Anybody got any suggestions? The small ones are too shallow and I'm concerned about the strength of the larger ones (retaining wall problem again). I've also looked at stock tanks which are free-standing so no retaining wall problem. However, there is the shape to think about. Whatever I get has to fit through a door, so the 8'*8' is out and the 6'*6'*2' is at the very low end of the size I would like to get to (around 400g). Also, my local farm supply stores carry bright colors rather than black. Stock Tank + liner A perfectly round tank is also not very creative, but the only method I have come up with so far for tapping off the tank to a bog garden or cascade is to line it and use the liner above the edges of the tank. The sides of the tank would provide the support to hold the pond together and the liner would give flexibility in designing shallow areas. Problems with this one are expense and the same problem with pets possibly tearing the lining. Has anybody on the group tackled a problem like this before, or have ideas or suggestions that I could incorporate? Any help greatly appreciated. |
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Help request: Designing above ground indoor pond
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I haven't been able to find any large (150g) pre-form ponds in this area and would like something around 500g or larger. I've seen that these are available elsewhere and I'm looking on the internet. Anybody got any suggestions? I'm not sure where you are, but Sam's Clubs in the Dayton, Ohio area have a 600 gallon pre-form pond for $105. Their display ponds are set into a wooden frame covered in something like astroturf. Good luck! |
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Help request: Designing above ground indoor pond
i use a stock tank in my limited size backyard. it is 300 gal, approx. it is
bright blue, but i don't mind that. i got it at a feed store. i have loose-stacked old bricks around it because in our hot sun, any way to keep the sun off the pond withought blocking it to the plants is a good thing. and it's prettier. i had a birdbath custom-made with a hole up the center so i could run tubing from the pump through it. the pump lifts the water up into the bowl of the birdbath, it fills the bowl and runs off the sides, adding sound and motion to the pond. it aerates the water for the fish and brings nutrients up to the watercress that is growing in the bowl. hopefully, the watercress roots help clean the water for the fish. at least, that was the general idea... mad -- See my zone 8B pond: http://community.webshots.com/album/14478479WdPMkPBPmt http://community.webshots.com/album/40739268OAqLln Rec.ponds FAQ: http://www.geocities.com/justinm090/faq.html Whoso diggeth a pit shall fall therein... Prov 26:27 From: (Gary) Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Newsgroups: rec.ponds Date: 8 Apr 2003 08:05:27 -0700 Subject: Help request: Designing above ground indoor pond I'm looking for any suggestions for an above-ground indoor pond. Our constraints: The room we are using has a solid concrete floor and we have a space about 10'*8' and would like the pond wall to be 24" to 36" high (36" seems to be a max height for comfortable sitting, I am concerned that water less than 24" deep will get too warm in the summer). We don't want to do anything permanent, so no mortar or concrete if it can possibly be avoided. We have dogs & cats that are very inquisitive. I'm more than a little concerned about the effects of a ripped liner indoors. Here are my thoughts so far: Flexible liner This seems to give the most flexible design, but the drawbacks I see are the potential for a tear and making sure it doesn't collapse. I've thought of 2 solutions to holding the pond together: 1) stacking retaining wall blocks, but I'm not sure these would hold the pressure of a deep pond, 2) building a wooden box from green-treat 2*x's with 4*4 corner posts. I think the wooden box would be stronger, but would it be strong enough? Pre-form I haven't been able to find any large (150g) pre-form ponds in this area and would like something around 500g or larger. I've seen that these are available elsewhere and I'm looking on the internet. Anybody got any suggestions? The small ones are too shallow and I'm concerned about the strength of the larger ones (retaining wall problem again). I've also looked at stock tanks which are free-standing so no retaining wall problem. However, there is the shape to think about. Whatever I get has to fit through a door, so the 8'*8' is out and the 6'*6'*2' is at the very low end of the size I would like to get to (around 400g). Also, my local farm supply stores carry bright colors rather than black. Stock Tank + liner A perfectly round tank is also not very creative, but the only method I have come up with so far for tapping off the tank to a bog garden or cascade is to line it and use the liner above the edges of the tank. The sides of the tank would provide the support to hold the pond together and the liner would give flexibility in designing shallow areas. Problems with this one are expense and the same problem with pets possibly tearing the lining. Has anybody on the group tackled a problem like this before, or have ideas or suggestions that I could incorporate? Any help greatly appreciated. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- |
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Help request: Designing above ground indoor pond
Gary,
Here are two websites that may get you started doing your project. http://www.aquariacentral.com/diy/pond1.shtml http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/ourpond/Indoor_Pond.h tm HTH Tom L.L. "Gary" wrote in message om... I'm looking for any suggestions for an above-ground indoor pond. Our constraints: The room we are using has a solid concrete floor and we have a space about 10'*8' and would like the pond wall to be 24" to 36" high (36" seems to be a max height for comfortable sitting, I am concerned that water less than 24" deep will get too warm in the summer). We don't want to do anything permanent, so no mortar or concrete if it can possibly be avoided. We have dogs & cats that are very inquisitive. I'm more than a little concerned about the effects of a ripped liner indoors. Here are my thoughts so far: Flexible liner This seems to give the most flexible design, but the drawbacks I see are the potential for a tear and making sure it doesn't collapse. I've thought of 2 solutions to holding the pond together: 1) stacking retaining wall blocks, but I'm not sure these would hold the pressure of a deep pond, 2) building a wooden box from green-treat 2*x's with 4*4 corner posts. I think the wooden box would be stronger, but would it be strong enough? Pre-form I haven't been able to find any large (150g) pre-form ponds in this area and would like something around 500g or larger. I've seen that these are available elsewhere and I'm looking on the internet. Anybody got any suggestions? The small ones are too shallow and I'm concerned about the strength of the larger ones (retaining wall problem again). I've also looked at stock tanks which are free-standing so no retaining wall problem. However, there is the shape to think about. Whatever I get has to fit through a door, so the 8'*8' is out and the 6'*6'*2' is at the very low end of the size I would like to get to (around 400g). Also, my local farm supply stores carry bright colors rather than black. Stock Tank + liner A perfectly round tank is also not very creative, but the only method I have come up with so far for tapping off the tank to a bog garden or cascade is to line it and use the liner above the edges of the tank. The sides of the tank would provide the support to hold the pond together and the liner would give flexibility in designing shallow areas. Problems with this one are expense and the same problem with pets possibly tearing the lining. Has anybody on the group tackled a problem like this before, or have ideas or suggestions that I could incorporate? Any help greatly appreciated. |
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Hi, I mentioned the pre-form at Sam's Club for $105....only problem is...it's only 125 gallons. (I thought it was 600, but that the gph of the pump!! Pays to read instead of just getting excited!) Sorry about the error. |
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Help request: Designing above ground indoor pond
Pre-form I haven't been able to find any large (150g) pre-form ponds in this area and would like something around 500g or larger. I've seen that Lowes has a 270 gallon preformed pond, thats where we got ours. It was around $300. They have one that is I think 300 gallons also, but it doesn't have plant shelves. I don't know what the cost of it was. |
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Help request: Designing above ground indoor pond
Pinkpggy wrote: Pre-form I haven't been able to find any large (150g) pre-form ponds in this area and would like something around 500g or larger. I've seen that Lowes has a 270 gallon preformed pond, thats where we got ours. It was around $300. They have one that is I think 300 gallons also, but it doesn't have plant shelves. I don't know what the cost of it was. -- have you thought of following Mads example and going with a stock tank? a farm supply store should have a rubbermaid 300 g for close to 200.00, even comes with a drain plug. John Rutz the green is grassing the leaves are treeing I'm happy see my pond at: http://www.fuerjefe.com |
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Help request: Designing above ground indoor pond
the actual rubbermaid brand is often about $1/gallon--depends on the store.
mine was another brand (name escapes me at this time) and i was at the right place at the right time. go to your local farm/ranch supply stores and become familiar with what they carry. perhaps you can do what i did--cry and whine about how you want to make a pond and need something cheap. LOL i made the guy at one store my friend and he had this tank to sell because he was closing out this particular line of tanks. he sold it to me for nearly half price. mad -- See my zone 8B pond: http://community.webshots.com/album/14478479WdPMkPBPmt http://community.webshots.com/album/40739268OAqLln Rec.ponds FAQ: http://www.geocities.com/justinm090/faq.html Whoso diggeth a pit shall fall therein... Prov 26:27 From: John Rutz Organization: NMIX Newsgroups: rec.ponds Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:52:56 -0600 Subject: Help request: Designing above ground indoor pond Pinkpggy wrote: Pre-form I haven't been able to find any large (150g) pre-form ponds in this area and would like something around 500g or larger. I've seen that Lowes has a 270 gallon preformed pond, thats where we got ours. It was around $300. They have one that is I think 300 gallons also, but it doesn't have plant shelves. I don't know what the cost of it was. have you thought of following Mads example and going with a stock tank? a farm supply store should have a rubbermaid 300 g for close to 200.00, even comes with a drain plug. John Rutz the green is grassing the leaves are treeing I'm happy see my pond at: http://www.fuerjefe.com -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- |
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