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Sombreuil and Spring roses
Anyone in a cold zone have experience with this rose?
I have been perusing Paul Barden's site and he claims that it is surprisingly winter hardy. Just wondering if anyone out there can back that up. It looks like such a beautiful rose. I placed a rose order with Pickering's in December and eagerly await its arrival. On order and arriving in April a Illusion - red climber Roberta Bondar -- yellow climber named for 1st Canadian woman in space Seagull - rambler Ipsilante - gallica Gloire de France - gallica Jacqueline du Pre - shrub Westerland - shrub Nymphenburg - H. Musk Mme Alfred Carriere - Noisette (also reputedly hardy) Felicite Parmentier - Alba Fantin Latour - Centifolia Tour de Malakoff - Centifolia Paul Ricault - Cent. The Bishop - Cent. Graham Thomas - Austin Tamora - Austin Albertine - rambler Antique '89 - climber I am getting excited, even though it is below 30 degrees celsius out there right now and the garden is buried in several feet Brrrrr.... of snow. Laura |
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Sombreuil and Spring roses
R & L Porter wrote:
Anyone in a cold zone have experience with this rose? I'm not in a cold zone, but I do have this rose, it is in its fourth year now. I have been perusing Paul Barden's site and he claims that it is surprisingly winter hardy. Just wondering if anyone out there can back that up. It looks like such a beautiful rose. While I cannot speak to the winter hardy issue, I can say that this is a very beautiful rose, and it screams OGR even if it is "Colonial White," as some say. Several points: 1. The quartered form comes through in photos, but not the shallow cup. This rose has a very shallow cup. I was surprised. I still like it, though. 2. This rose has a million teeny tiny petals. OK, not a million, but check out the petal count--then know they are teeny tiny, in a shallow cup. 3. The center of this rose has a soft and faint but still clear "blush white" color. Not snowy. Not ivory. Blushy. 4. This rose has been known to grow for three years without producing a single bloom. Mine bloomed in year 2, and I felt really lucky! That said, it is worth the wait. 5. This rose has very lovely foliage and canes--lots of red, and the thorns are red on mine--and it makes gorgeous hips. I have never read about it having hips, but mine sure does. It is growing on a fence with Don Juan, who also makes great hips. Very pretty combo. 6. This rose has a very nice, rosy scent. Not knock-you-over, but very nice. It you find out it is cold hardy, I think you should get it. I placed a rose order with Pickering's in December and eagerly await its arrival. All your choices look great! Don't forget that even in warm areas, Tamora tops out at 2.5 feet. !! No kidding. And it STAYS in bloom here, and smells good. |
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Sombreuil and Spring roses
"R & L Porter" wrote in message ... Anyone in a cold zone have experience with this rose? I have been perusing Paul Barden's site and he claims that it is surprisingly winter hardy. Just wondering if anyone out there can back that up. It looks like such a beautiful rose. Glad to say my Som. has survived -10f winter. required some radical action though. I don't recommend first year in the ground esp. in cold areas. It grows very slowly. After 3 months it had only grown 18 inches high by August. Now this is no where near robust enough for winter around here so I plucked it from the ground and potted it. It sulked for a while then recovered. It has even kept all its leaves. I placed a rose order with Pickering's in December and eagerly await its arrival. On order and arriving in April a Illusion - red climber Roberta Bondar -- yellow climber named for 1st Canadian woman in space Seagull - rambler Ipsilante - gallica Gloire de France - gallica Jacqueline du Pre - shrub Westerland - shrub Nymphenburg - H. Musk Mme Alfred Carriere - Noisette (also reputedly hardy) Didn't you get this last year. What happened or is it too painful to talk about.. Felicite Parmentier - Alba once blooming?? Fantin Latour - Centifolia Tour de Malakoff - Centifolia Paul Ricault - Cent. The Bishop - Cent. Graham Thomas - Austin Tamora - Austin Albertine - rambler Antique '89 - climber Is this the german rose also called antike 89? I've lusted after it but havn't found an own root version yet. I am getting excited, even though it is below 30 degrees celsius out there right now and the garden is buried in several feet Brrrrr.... of snow. Laura right! -- Theo in Zone 5 Kansas City |
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Sombreuil and Spring roses
"Lessa" wrote in message ... I also ordered Sombreuil from Pickering earlier in the fall for delivery this spring. I am not sure about its hardiness but I figure why not give it a try. I love this rose, I just hope it grows in my zone 6 garden Lessa Hi Lessa, I am guessing you are in Newfoundland? the *mun* part in your email addy is what makes me deduce this. Correct me if I am wrong! What other roses, if any, do you grow? I think you will be better off in your zone 6 garden than I, providing your rose gets as much snow cover/protection as my babies have been getting the past few years. It is a bit scary, as it is lulling me into a false sense of security. All it would take is one cold winter with little snow cover to kill at least a dozen of the less hardy roses. I like to live on the edge, I guess. Or maybe I am just too lazy (more likely) Laura |
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Sombreuil and Spring roses
"R & L Porter" wrote in message ... "Lessa" wrote in message ... I also ordered Sombreuil from Pickering earlier in the fall for delivery this spring. I am not sure about its hardiness but I figure why not give it a try. I love this rose, I just hope it grows in my zone 6 garden Lessa Hi Lessa, I am guessing you are in Newfoundland? the *mun* part in your email addy is what makes me deduce this. Correct me if I am wrong! What other roses, if any, do you grow? I think you will be better off in your zone 6 garden than I, providing your rose gets as much snow cover/protection as my babies have been getting the past few years. It is a bit scary, as it is lulling me into a false sense of security. All it would take is one cold winter with little snow cover to kill at least a dozen of the less hardy roses. I like to live on the edge, I guess. Or maybe I am just too lazy (more likely) Laura I am indeed in Newfoundland, most people don't believe that Newfoundland can be zone6 but mine is. The location where I am planning to put my 2 Sombreuils is fairly sheltered against my deck and has for the last 2 years gotten a fairly deep snow cover. This year it is covered in about 4 feet of snow so I actually look forward to the snow covering my garden. This past week has been colder than most for the last couple of winters. Its pretty unusual for us to get temps around -20C. Usually it is around -10 at the coldest. As for the other roses I have here is my list Graham Thomas(2) Kaleidoscope The Hunter Diamond Border Sunsprite Alec's Red Perdita(everyone should have this rose it smells like heaven) Morden Blush Golden Celebration L.D. Braithwaite Don Juan Abraham Darby Heritage Dublin Bay Coming from Pickering Sombreuil(2) Leander Tamora Evelyn Glamis Castle Lessa |
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Sombreuil and Spring roses
"R & L Porter" wrote in message ... Anyone in a cold zone have experience with this rose? I have been perusing Paul Barden's site and he claims that it is surprisingly winter hardy. Just wondering if anyone out there can back that up. It looks like such a beautiful rose. I placed a rose order with Pickering's in December and eagerly await its arrival. On order and arriving in April a Illusion - red climber Roberta Bondar -- yellow climber named for 1st Canadian woman in space Seagull - rambler Ipsilante - gallica Gloire de France - gallica Jacqueline du Pre - shrub Westerland - shrub Nymphenburg - H. Musk Mme Alfred Carriere - Noisette (also reputedly hardy) Felicite Parmentier - Alba Fantin Latour - Centifolia Tour de Malakoff - Centifolia Paul Ricault - Cent. The Bishop - Cent. Graham Thomas - Austin Tamora - Austin Albertine - rambler Antique '89 - climber I am getting excited, even though it is below 30 degrees celsius out there right now and the garden is buried in several feet Brrrrr.... of snow. Laura I also ordered Sombreuil from Pickering earlier in the fall for delivery this spring. I am not sure about its hardiness but I figure why not give it a try. I love this rose, I just hope it grows in my zone 6 garden Lessa |
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"Theo Asir" wrote in message ... Glad to say my Som. has survived -10f winter. Okay, any idea on what that is in Celsius? Last week we reached -35, -40 Celsius (taking into account windchill), although this is not the norm. Thank god for all of the snow cover. That kind of cold is just wrong. I think we have had the Sombreuil/Mme. Alfred Carriere hardiness discussion before. Or maybe I am experiencing deja vu. required some radical action though. I don't recommend first year in the ground esp. in cold areas. It grows very slowly. After 3 months it had only grown 18 inches high by August. Now this is no where near robust enough for winter around here so I plucked it from the ground and potted it. It sulked for a while then recovered. It has even kept all its leaves. Where is it hanging out in its pot? An unheated garage? ***snip list Didn't you get this last year. What happened or is it too painful to talk about.. I think I *wanted* to order this stuff, and had every intention of ordering, but decided to put it off. sniff, sniff... I can't exactly remember! Every order requires copious amounts of Spring labour and it coincides with Spring exams. This is my last term so I am slightly less anal about exam-time. I did manage to acquire around a dozen potted plants over the summer, which I am sure I have mentioned some time ago. Don't ask for names, though. It has been so long since I have seen one of my rose bushes that they sort of fade from my memory, or they get rudely shoved aside by other more pressing thoughts. Then sometime in mid-April, May and June I begin to reacquaint myself with all of my old friends. I do make lists of the roses I buy and where they are planted, just in case I forget who is who! Felicite Parmentier - Alba once blooming?? Yup, as are almost half of that list. Most of my repeat bloomers |
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"Theo Asir" wrote in message ... Glad to say my Som. has survived -10f winter. Okay, any idea on what that is in Celsius? Last week we reached -35, -40 Celsius (taking into account windchill), although this is not the norm. Thank god for all of the snow cover. That kind of cold is just wrong. I think we have had the Sombreuil/Mme. Alfred Carriere hardiness discussion before. Or maybe I am experiencing deja vu. -- Temp in Celsius = 5/9 ( Temp in Fahrenheit -32 deg) Temp in Fahrenheit = 9/5 Temp in Celsius + 32 deg ( note the parenthesis) HTH /z. |
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Sombreuil and Spring roses
"Theo Asir" wrote in message ... Glad to say my Som. has survived -10f winter. Okay, any idea on what that is in Celsius? Last week we reached -35, -40 Celsius (taking into account windchill), although this is not the norm. Thank god for all of the snow cover. That kind of cold is just wrong. I think we have had the Sombreuil/Mme. Alfred Carriere hardiness discussion before. Or maybe I am experiencing deja vu. required some radical action though. I don't recommend first year in the ground esp. in cold areas. It grows very slowly. After 3 months it had only grown 18 inches high by August. Now this is no where near robust enough for winter around here so I plucked it from the ground and potted it. It sulked for a while then recovered. It has even kept all its leaves. Where is it hanging out in its pot? An unheated garage? ***snip list Didn't you get this last year. What happened or is it too painful to talk about.. I think I *wanted* to order this stuff, and had every intention of ordering, but decided to put it off. sniff, sniff... I can't exactly remember! Every order requires copious amounts of Spring labour and it coincides with Spring exams. This is my last term so I am slightly less anal about exam-time. I did manage to acquire around a dozen potted plants over the summer, which I am sure I have mentioned some time ago. Don't ask for names, though. It has been so long since I have seen one of my rose bushes that they sort of fade from my memory, or they get rudely shoved aside by other more pressing thoughts. Then sometime in mid-April, May and June I begin to reacquaint myself with all of my old friends. I do make lists of the roses I buy and where they are planted, just in case I forget who is who! Felicite Parmentier - Alba once blooming?? Yup, as are almost half of that list. Most of my repeat bloomers never really give me much after the first big bang in June/July, so once bloomers can be just as satisfying, if not more so. Remember that around here the roses are pretty much finished off by early September, with a few scraggly blooms here and there in October. Then frosts start. Mid-June is the beginning, early July is THE show, with the end of July still decent. The rest is all gravy. Antique '89 - climber Is this the german rose also called antike 89? I've lusted after it but havn't found an own root version yet. I am not sure if it is the same one, however I think Antique '89 is a Kordes rose, which means it is German. I have been lusting after it too, that is why it is on ze list. I am getting excited, even though it is below 30 degrees celsius out there right now and the garden is buried in several feet Brrrrr.... of snow. Laura right! -- Theo in Zone 5 Kansas City You have lots of snow in Kansas City? Laura -- betcha don't have as much snow as we do, nya, nya, nya nya, nya. |
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Sombreuil and Spring roses
"R & L Porter" wrote in message ... "Theo Asir" wrote in message ... Glad to say my Som. has survived -10f winter. Okay, any idea on what that is in Celsius? Last week we reached -35, -40 Celsius (taking into account windchill), although this is not the norm. Thank god for all of the snow cover. That kind of cold is just wrong. -22 C or so. I think we have had the Sombreuil/Mme. Alfred Carriere hardiness discussion before. Or maybe I am experiencing deja vu. yup! And you asked to be kept updated :-; required some radical action though. I don't recommend first year in the ground esp. in cold areas. It grows very slowly. After 3 months it had only grown 18 inches high by August. Now this is no where near robust enough for winter around here so I plucked it from the ground and potted it. It sulked for a while then recovered. It has even kept all its leaves. Where is it hanging out in its pot? An unheated garage? Nope. I keep my pots out in my backyard in a sheltered location. We have frequent thaw spells. Last week we had 2 nights of -15 C follwed by 4 days of +15C weather. So the roses don't get into an extended freeze. ***snip list Didn't you get this last year. What happened or is it too painful to talk about.. I think I *wanted* to order this stuff, and had every intention of ordering, but decided to put it off. sniff, sniff... I can't exactly remember! Every order requires copious amounts of Spring labour and it coincides with Spring exams. This is my last term so I am slightly less anal about exam-time. I did manage to acquire around a dozen potted plants over the summer, which I am sure I have mentioned some time ago. Don't ask for names, though. It has been so long since I have seen one of my rose bushes that they sort of fade from my memory, or they get rudely shoved aside by other more pressing thoughts. Then sometime in mid-April, May and June I begin to reacquaint myself with all of my old friends. I do make lists of the roses I buy and where they are planted, just in case I forget who is who! Felicite Parmentier - Alba once blooming?? Yup, as are almost half of that list. Most of my repeat bloomers never really give me much after the first big bang in June/July, so once bloomers can be just as satisfying, if not more so. Remember that around here the roses are pretty much finished off by early September, with a few scraggly blooms here and there in October. Then frosts start. Mid-June is the beginning, early July is THE show, with the end of July still decent. The rest is all gravy. Antique '89 - climber Is this the german rose also called antike 89? I've lusted after it but havn't found an own root version yet. I am not sure if it is the same one, however I think Antique '89 is a Kordes rose, which means it is German. I have been lusting after it too, that is why it is on ze list. I am getting excited, even though it is below 30 degrees celsius out there right now and the garden is buried in several feet Brrrrr.... of snow. Laura right! -- Theo in Zone 5 Kansas City You have lots of snow in Kansas City? Not really! 20-30 inches maybe. And our thaw spells melt pretty much everything in days. Laura -- betcha don't have as much snow as we do, nya, nya, nya nya, nya. And my last frost date is mid to end march. Yaaa!! Yaaaaa!! |
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This is a very lovely rose leaves and cane - a lot of red, and red thorns, and I - and it makes gorgeous buttocks. I have never seen hips on it, but I certainly will not. It is grown in a fence and Don Juan, who also makes a great butt. Very nice combination.
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