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Live oaks [and Ashe junipers]
"Dave" wrote in message
nk.net... Read something about the juniper ashe are not native to TX at all. Rather, a dubious transplant from some foreign European country. Have also read many times about how juniper ashe hogs groundwater flow in many places. Both cases are wrong. Ashe juniper is native to the Texas hill country. Junipers don't use any more water than any other tree of similar size. They are not dormant in winter, so they might use more water than deciduous trees during those months. As "cat daddy" said, the problem with junipers is when they begin "forming dense woodlands containing only cedar, bare soil, and rock". The water just runs off into the ravines, creeks, rivers, and lakes and carries soil with it. [snip] If the water loss is so drastic due to juniper ashe, why do adjacent live oaks continue even if adjacent to same? Makes me believe there's more to this than what is publicized for our perusal. Or, rather, tainted with some irrational prejudice towards the juniper ashe. Bingo! I have murdered several hundreds, if not thousands, of Ashe juniper trees. However, I don't hate them. For an alternative perspective on the Ashe juniper, see "Untwisting the Cedar, the myths & culture of the Ashe juniper tree" at: http://members.toast.net/juniper/Ashe%20juniper.html The author is an expert on Central Texas native plants. She is trying to provide some balance to the anti-cedar (anti-juniper) hysteria. [I'm repeating a reference from 2005]. Most of the problem comes from them clearing of ALL trees from the land, overgrazing, and the suppression of fire. As far as Selah Ranch, Bamberger did a lot more than just selectively clear junipers. He claims he was told, when he purchased his land, it was one of the worst (most abused) pieces of ranch land in the area. jjhnsn |
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Live oaks
Like most good thinga, an over abundace may produce some side effects. I
lost 3 trees I planted because of the heavy rains. The tree were not established and root rot set in. I believe you'll be okay once the rain lets up and the ground drains some. |
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Live oaks [and Ashe junipers]
"Omelet" wrote in message newsmp_omelet- Cedars hog a lot of ground water. That said, I have one old growth Cedar tree in my yard that is around 16" at the base. It gets to live. ;-) You can rest easy, Om. Your Ashe juniper tree uses no more water that other trees of equivalent size, and a lot less than some. It does not go completely dormant in winter, so it might use a bit more water in the winter months than a deciduous tree. As "cat daddy" said, the problem with junipers is when they begin "forming dense woodlands containing only cedar, bare soil, and rock". The water just runs off into the ravines, creeks, rivers, and lakes and carries soil with it. Juniper trees are popular landscape plants in many parts of the country. The Ashe juniper is not however, because of its irregular shape. jjhnsn |
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Live oaks [and Ashe junipers]
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"James Lee Johnson" wrote: "Omelet" wrote in message newsmp_omelet- Cedars hog a lot of ground water. That said, I have one old growth Cedar tree in my yard that is around 16" at the base. It gets to live. ;-) You can rest easy, Om. Your Ashe juniper tree uses no more water that other trees of equivalent size, and a lot less than some. It does not go completely dormant in winter, so it might use a bit more water in the winter months than a deciduous tree. Thanks. As "cat daddy" said, the problem with junipers is when they begin "forming dense woodlands containing only cedar, bare soil, and rock". The water just runs off into the ravines, creeks, rivers, and lakes and carries soil with it. Juniper trees are popular landscape plants in many parts of the country. The Ashe juniper is not however, because of its irregular shape. jjhnsn I think mine is rather pretty, but it is HYOOGE! I ought to take a jpeg or two. The only bigger tree in my yard is an ancient mesquite. Lots of Live Oaks out back. -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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Live oaks [and Ashe junipers]
Omelet wrote:
In article , "James Lee Johnson" wrote: "Omelet" wrote in message newsmp_omelet- Cedars hog a lot of ground water. That said, I have one old growth Cedar tree in my yard that is around 16" at the base. It gets to live. ;-) You can rest easy, Om. Your Ashe juniper tree uses no more water that other trees of equivalent size, and a lot less than some. It does not go completely dormant in winter, so it might use a bit more water in the winter months than a deciduous tree. Thanks. As "cat daddy" said, the problem with junipers is when they begin "forming dense woodlands containing only cedar, bare soil, and rock". The water just runs off into the ravines, creeks, rivers, and lakes and carries soil with it. Juniper trees are popular landscape plants in many parts of the country. The Ashe juniper is not however, because of its irregular shape. jjhnsn I think mine is rather pretty, but it is HYOOGE! I ought to take a jpeg or two. The only bigger tree in my yard is an ancient mesquite. Lots of Live Oaks out back. Mesquite? Weren't those brought from Mexico by cattle? ;-) DT (just stirrin' the compost) |
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Live oaks [and Ashe junipers]
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dt wrote: The only bigger tree in my yard is an ancient mesquite. Lots of Live Oaks out back. Mesquite? Weren't those brought from Mexico by cattle? ;-) DT (just stirrin' the compost) Beast. ;-) It' drops good grillin' wood when it drops dead branches! -- Peace, Om Remove _ to validate e-mails. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson |
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Live oaks
On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 19:29:43 -0400, "symplastless"
wrote: BTW Regarding water and the requirements of live oak. If you look at the wood of a live oak in the cross section the vessels within the increment appear as upside down tornados. The tree is a ring porous trees. Thus stating that the tree takes in large amounts of water during the time of the early or spring wood and then a moderate amount of water during the time of the latewood or summer wood. Too much water about the woody roots could stimulate woody root decay or root rot. Just a thought. Our local live oak, _Q. fusiformis_, is diffuse-porous, as is _Q. virginiana_. So I've been told, anyway, by a reputable source, and it fits what I've seen of the trees. Keith Babberney ISA Certified Arborist #TX-0236AT (in Austin, where this thread originated) |
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