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Old 28-03-2003, 07:32 PM
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Seeing Janet's post about her poorly Kilmarnock willow made me think it's time to give another plug for my favourite
small weeping tree. Prunus incisa 'Pendula' in flower now pink in bud and just perceptibly pink when fully open. A
proper weeping tree shape - not an umbrella. Not sure about ultimate size but most P. incisa clones are quite small so
I'd guess around 3 metres max height and about 2 - 2.5 spread. You could experiment with training the leader vertical if
you needed more height but the main thing is it's unlikely to outgrow its welcome even in the smallest garden and is the
daintiest small weeping tree I know. Not easy to find I think I got the last one from Bridgmere last week. We have one
that's been in a couple of years now and it's a real joy atm.

Rod


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On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 18:27:23 -0000, "Rod"
wrotc:

Seeing Janet's post about her poorly Kilmarnock willow made me think it's time to give another plug for my favourite
small weeping tree. Prunus incisa 'Pendula' in flower now pink in bud and just perceptibly pink when fully open. A
proper weeping tree shape - not an umbrella. Not sure about ultimate size but most P. incisa clones are quite small so
I'd guess around 3 metres max height and about 2 - 2.5 spread. You could experiment with training the leader vertical if
you needed more height but the main thing is it's unlikely to outgrow its welcome even in the smallest garden and is the
daintiest small weeping tree I know. Not easy to find I think I got the last one from Bridgmere last week. We have one
that's been in a couple of years now and it's a real joy atm.

Rod


Prunus incisa is purported to grow to 6m.

I have a P. incisa too and it is, as you say, a delight at this
moment. It isn't a 'Pendula' it's a 'Plena' (and plena it is too -
I've never seen such a mass of flowers).

It's only a couple of feet high yet and seems to have quite an
upright habit. it grows quite slowly I am told and it is already
apparent that the internodal distance is quite short and the growth
hardens rigid quite quickly. Anyway it seems as though it might lend
itself to structural pruning.

I wonder whether your 'Pendula' is created by the grafting I
described in a previous message or is a 'natural'.

I have a newly acquired P. spinosa too. Wow that is taking off
strangely. Thorns out of all proportion to the plant - some pointing
straight downward from near horizontal branches - are producing tiny
green leaf axils all down their length.

Huss

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Prunus incisa is purported to grow to 6m.
I have a P. incisa too and it is, as you say, a delight at this
moment. It isn't a 'Pendula' it's a 'Plena' (and plena it is too -
I've never seen such a mass of flowers).

It's only a couple of feet high yet and seems to have quite an
upright habit. it grows quite slowly I am told and it is already
apparent that the internodal distance is quite short and the growth
hardens rigid quite quickly. Anyway it seems as though it might lend
itself to structural pruning.

I wonder whether your 'Pendula' is created by the grafting I
described in a previous message or is a 'natural'.

I have a newly acquired P. spinosa too. Wow that is taking off
strangely. Thorns out of all proportion to the plant - some pointing
straight downward from near horizontal branches - are producing tiny
green leaf axils all down their length.

Huss

Yes the typical P. incisa is said to get to about 6m but the selected clones are all very different from the tiny short
jointed bushy ones like 'Kojo-no-mai' (sp?) to the weeping form and your double. I think its probably on its own roots -
at least I can't find any evidence of a graft union - this is one of the things I dislike about the more frequently seen
weeping cherries like 'Cheal's Weeping', often top worked on P.avium so you get this silly umbrella perched on a great
thick P. avium stem; plus you get the avium suckers everywhere. So no I don't know how this thing is propagated, I don't
whether it would respond to growing on a stool system - where strong growing established plants are cut to the ground to
force many strong basal growths, the stool is then earthed up during the growing season to enourage rooting on the bases
of the stems, the individual stems are then detached and lifted with some root. A 2 year old stem done on this system
would probably be a basis on which to form a saleable tree in another season or perhaps 2.

I've not grown P. spinosa - sounds like a nice companion to Rosa omeiensis pteracantha with its huge translucent
prickles. Then if you've got Berberis or Cacti you'll be able to amaze your friends and delight your family by knowing
the difference between thorns, prickles & spines ;~)))))
btw even Peter Beales on line catalogue gets that wrong ;~))

Rod


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On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 19:50:52 -0000, "Rod"
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of the stems, the individual stems are then detached and lifted with some root. A 2 year old stem done on this system
would probably be a basis on which to form a saleable tree in another season or perhaps 2.



My spinosa arrived from Bluebell and I wonder whether it was
propagated this way. There is no real vertical apical dominance and it
has a 'flat top' about 1.5 above soil level.
The laterals are fairly substantial but horizontal (some of those
spines are sticking into the soil inches away from the plant). In fact
it looks as if it was pruned for ground cover. Now there's a thought.
No.

I was hoping for it and can now see it coming - a little green
sprout right on top of the heel atop. I think I will talk to it
encouraging everyday and judiciously jostle the plant into putting the
apical dominance up that little fellah. I know it will take years to
get it progressing the way it will have to in order to occupy the
space I want it to when it is mature. I think it is a little early to
introduce it to a rather meaty sounding rosa which I am about to look
up. Thanks for that.

Yep. It's one of those species shrub roses. I'm a little iffy about
them I'm afraid. I think they remind me of plantings I've encountered
encircling the car parks of dentist's surgeries.

:-(

However "Spectacular thorns which are translucent on the young shoots
and glow like rubies in the morning and evening light." does sound
quite enticing!

Huss
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"Hussein M." wrote in message ...
Yep. It's one of those species shrub roses. I'm a little iffy about
them I'm afraid. I think they remind me of plantings I've encountered
encircling the car parks of dentist's surgeries.

:-(

However "Spectacular thorns which are translucent on the young shoots
and glow like rubies in the morning and evening light." does sound
quite enticing!

This one's quite special - not yer dentist carpark type plant at all.

Rod




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On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 10:33:58 +0100, "Rod"
wrotc:

However "Spectacular thorns which are translucent on the young shoots
and glow like rubies in the morning and evening light." does sound
quite enticing!

This one's quite special - not yer dentist carpark type plant at all.


Ok OK! It's those ones I don't like but this one's flowers are more
dog rosy.

Anyway I realised that my last message didn't make it clear that
Spines was 1.5 feet high - not metres.

So I think it will be around 7 -10 years before he/she would be
allowed to go on a date with a houri from that tribe. Shoosh. Odd
couple on the dance floor!

:-)

Huss
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