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Plant ID please
We've lost the plant label to this flower (probably nicked by our black
Labrador). The plant is unusual because it's flowers never appear above the crown of foliage, they are always buried unseen within the plant. Is this normal? Not complaining though because the leaves are quite attractive anyway. Photos at: http://www.avisoft.co.uk/photos/Hpim5804a.jpg http://www.avisoft.co.uk/photos/Hpim5807a.jpg David. |
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Plant ID please
David (Normandy) wrote:
We've lost the plant label to this flower (probably nicked by our black Labrador). The plant is unusual because it's flowers never appear above the crown of foliage, they are always buried unseen within the plant. Is this normal? Not complaining though because the leaves are quite attractive anyway. Photos at: http://www.avisoft.co.uk/photos/Hpim5804a.jpg http://www.avisoft.co.uk/photos/Hpim5807a.jpg David. Looks like a clump of strawberry plants. |
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Plant ID please
In message , "David
(Normandy)" writes We've lost the plant label to this flower (probably nicked by our black Labrador). The plant is unusual because it's flowers never appear above the crown of foliage, they are always buried unseen within the plant. Is this normal? Not complaining though because the leaves are quite attractive anyway. Photos at: http://www.avisoft.co.uk/photos/Hpim5804a.jpg http://www.avisoft.co.uk/photos/Hpim5807a.jpg David. It looks like a Potentilla. (OK, it also looks like a Fragaria, but I think you would have noticed the fruits.) The usual red-flowered (do the flowers open red?) herbaceous Potentilla in cultivation is Potentilla nepalensis, but this doesn't appear to be that. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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Plant ID please
"Frank Booth Snr" wrote in message ... Looks like a clump of strawberry plants. No. They are definitely not strawberry plants! While there is a certain similarity to the leaf shape, these leaves are a silvery / blue / green. Next? David. |
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Plant ID please
"Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message ... In message , "David (Normandy)" writes We've lost the plant label to this flower (probably nicked by our black Labrador). The plant is unusual because it's flowers never appear above the crown of foliage, they are always buried unseen within the plant. Is this normal? Not complaining though because the leaves are quite attractive anyway. Photos at: http://www.avisoft.co.uk/photos/Hpim5804a.jpg http://www.avisoft.co.uk/photos/Hpim5807a.jpg David. It looks like a Potentilla. (OK, it also looks like a Fragaria, but I think you would have noticed the fruits.) The usual red-flowered (do the flowers open red?) herbaceous Potentilla in cultivation is Potentilla nepalensis, but this doesn't appear to be that. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley The flowers are a brilliant blood red. A bud is visible in the second photo. Though the plant is more leaves than flowers, and most of the flowers that have appeared are lost amongst the foliage - they don't seem to be on tall stalks. David. |
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Plant ID please
On Sep 20, 5:26 pm, "David \(Normandy\)"
wrote: We've lost the plant label to this flower (probably nicked by our black Labrador). The plant is unusual because it's flowers never appear above the crown of foliage, they are always buried unseen within the plant. Is this normal? Not complaining though because the leaves are quite attractive anyway. Photos at: http://www.avisoft.co.uk/photos/Hpim5804a.jpg http://www.avisoft.co.uk/photos/Hpim5807a.jpg David. Potentilla. There is a bunch of these herbaceous ones (e.g. Gibson's Scarlet) with brick red flowers. It might be hard to tell which variety but it is a Potentilla. The most familiar garden Potentillas are shrubby with white, yellow or orange flowers related to P.fruticosa but you have one of the non shrubby ones. I have one exactly like that in my front garden. Nice plant although the flowers are usually a bit sparse. Des |
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Plant ID please
On Sep 20, 7:58 pm, Stewart Robert Hinsley
wrote: In message , "David (Normandy)" writesWe've lost the plant label to this flower (probably nicked by our black Labrador). The plant is unusual because it's flowers never appear above the crown of foliage, they are always buried unseen within the plant. Is this normal? Not complaining though because the leaves are quite attractive anyway. Photos at: http://www.avisoft.co.uk/photos/Hpim5804a.jpg http://www.avisoft.co.uk/photos/Hpim5807a.jpg David. It looks like a Potentilla. (OK, it also looks like a Fragaria, but I think you would have noticed the fruits.) The usual red-flowered (do the flowers open red?) herbaceous Potentilla in cultivation is Potentilla nepalensis, but this doesn't appear to be that. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley Agreed it is a potentilla. Des |
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Plant ID please
In message . com, Des
Higgins writes On Sep 20, 5:26 pm, "David \(Normandy\)" wrote: We've lost the plant label to this flower (probably nicked by our black Labrador). The plant is unusual because it's flowers never appear above the crown of foliage, they are always buried unseen within the plant. Is this normal? Not complaining though because the leaves are quite attractive anyway. Photos at: http://www.avisoft.co.uk/photos/Hpim5804a.jpg http://www.avisoft.co.uk/photos/Hpim5807a.jpg David. Potentilla. There is a bunch of these herbaceous ones (e.g. Gibson's Scarlet) with brick red flowers. It might be hard to tell which variety but it is a Potentilla. The most familiar garden Potentillas are shrubby with white, yellow or orange flowers related to P.fruticosa but you have one of the non shrubby ones. I have one exactly like that in my front garden. Nice plant although the flowers are usually a bit sparse. Des Vegetatively it looks pretty much like Potentilla sterilis (Barren Strawberry). There a lot of Potentillas (but the botanists have several minds about exactly what is and isn't a Potentilla - for example you may find the shrubby ones under the name Dasiphora fruticosa) but the commonest leaf configuration has 5 leaflets. This one has 3 leaflets, which would help with pinning it down, if one can get ones hands on a set of descriptions. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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Plant ID please
On Sep 21, 11:39 am, Stewart Robert Hinsley
wrote: In message . com, Des Higgins writes On Sep 20, 5:26 pm, "David \(Normandy\)" wrote: We've lost the plant label to this flower (probably nicked by our black Labrador). The plant is unusual because it's flowers never appear above the crown of foliage, they are always buried unseen within the plant. Is this normal? Not complaining though because the leaves are quite attractive anyway. Photos at: http://www.avisoft.co.uk/photos/Hpim5804a.jpg http://www.avisoft.co.uk/photos/Hpim5807a.jpg David. Potentilla. There is a bunch of these herbaceous ones (e.g. Gibson's Scarlet) with brick red flowers. It might be hard to tell which variety but it is a Potentilla. The most familiar garden Potentillas are shrubby with white, yellow or orange flowers related to P.fruticosa but you have one of the non shrubby ones. I have one exactly like that in my front garden. Nice plant although the flowers are usually a bit sparse. Des Vegetatively it looks pretty much like Potentilla sterilis (Barren Strawberry). There a lot of Potentillas (but the botanists have several minds about exactly what is and isn't a Potentilla - for example you may find the shrubby ones under the name Dasiphora fruticosa) but the commonest leaf configuration has 5 leaflets. This one has 3 leaflets, which would help with pinning it down, if one can get ones hands on a set of descriptions. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley I just meant it might be hard to tell which variety, not the species. That particular type (herbaceous with 3 leaflets and brick red flowers; you gave the species name in an earlier post) has a few different varieties. Des |
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Plant ID please
On Sep 20, 7:59 pm, "David \(Normandy\)"
wrote: "Frank Booth Snr" wrote in ... Looks like a clump of strawberry plants. No. They are definitely not strawberry plants! While there is a certain similarity to the leaf shape, these leaves are a silvery / blue / green. Next? They're amazingly alike, though. Are potentilla and strawbs related? Cat(h) |
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Plant ID please
In message .com,
"Cat(h)" writes On Sep 20, 7:59 pm, "David \(Normandy\)" wrote: "Frank Booth Snr" wrote in ... Looks like a clump of strawberry plants. No. They are definitely not strawberry plants! While there is a certain similarity to the leaf shape, these leaves are a silvery / blue / green. Next? They're amazingly alike, though. Are potentilla and strawbs related? Cat(h) In 2002 Mabberley wrote a paper (D.J. Mabberley, Potentilla and Fragaria (Rosaceae) reunited, Telopea 9(4): 793-802 (2002)) in which he reclassified strawberries as potentillas. In 2003 Erikkson et al wrote a paper (Eriksson et al, The Phylogeny of Rosoideae (Rosaceae) Based on Sequences of the Internal Transcribed Spacers (ITS) of Nuclear Ribosomal DNA and the TrnL/F Region of Chloroplast DNA , Int. J. Plant Sci. 164(2):197-211 (2003)) in which they reported that Potentilla and assorted segregate genera fall into two groups, each of which is sister to the other. However one of those groups also contains Alchemilla (Lady's Mantle) and Aphanes (Parsley Piert), which nobody is very keen on sinking is Potentilla. That implies restricting Potentilla to the other group. In simplified terms strawberries (Fragaria) are cinquefoils (Potentilla) with fleshy false fruits. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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Plant ID please
On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:19:04 +0100, Stewart Robert Hinsley
wrote: In message .com, "Cat(h)" writes On Sep 20, 7:59 pm, "David \(Normandy\)" wrote: "Frank Booth Snr" wrote in ... Looks like a clump of strawberry plants. No. They are definitely not strawberry plants! While there is a certain similarity to the leaf shape, these leaves are a silvery / blue / green. Next? They're amazingly alike, though. Are potentilla and strawbs related? Cat(h) In 2002 Mabberley wrote a paper (D.J. Mabberley, Potentilla and Fragaria (Rosaceae) reunited, Telopea 9(4): 793-802 (2002)) in which he reclassified strawberries as potentillas. In 2003 Erikkson et al wrote a paper (Eriksson et al, The Phylogeny of Rosoideae (Rosaceae) Based on Sequences of the Internal Transcribed Spacers (ITS) of Nuclear Ribosomal DNA and the TrnL/F Region of Chloroplast DNA , Int. J. Plant Sci. 164(2):197-211 (2003)) in which they reported that Potentilla and assorted segregate genera fall into two groups, each of which is sister to the other. However one of those groups also contains Alchemilla (Lady's Mantle) and Aphanes (Parsley Piert), which nobody is very keen on sinking is Potentilla. That implies restricting Potentilla to the other group. In simplified terms strawberries (Fragaria) are cinquefoils (Potentilla) with fleshy false fruits. Thanks for that most comprehensive answer! Cat(h) |
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Plant ID please
On 22 Sep, 14:21, "Cat(h)" wrote:
On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:19:04 +0100, Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote: In message .com, "Cat(h)" writes On Sep 20, 7:59 pm, "David \(Normandy\)" wrote: "Frank Booth Snr" wrote in ... Looks like a clump of strawberry plants. No. They are definitely not strawberry plants! While there is a certain similarity to the leaf shape, these leaves are a silvery / blue / green. Next? They're amazingly alike, though. Are potentilla and strawbs related? Cat(h) In 2002 Mabberley wrote a paper (D.J. Mabberley, Potentilla and Fragaria (Rosaceae) reunited, Telopea 9(4): 793-802 (2002)) in which he reclassified strawberries as potentillas. In 2003 Erikkson et al wrote a paper (Eriksson et al, The Phylogeny of Rosoideae (Rosaceae) Based on Sequences of the Internal Transcribed Spacers (ITS) of Nuclear Ribosomal DNA and the TrnL/F Region of Chloroplast DNA , Int. J. Plant Sci. 164(2):197-211 (2003)) in which they reported that Potentilla and assorted segregate genera fall into two groups, each of which is sister to the other. However one of those groups also contains Alchemilla (Lady's Mantle) and Aphanes (Parsley Piert), which nobody is very keen on sinking is Potentilla. That implies restricting Potentilla to the other group. In simplified terms strawberries (Fragaria) are cinquefoils (Potentilla) with fleshy false fruits. Thanks for that most comprehensive answer! Cat(h) I just wonder if you are treating it to well, try no feed, of feeding with Tomato feed to encourage flowering David hill |
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Plant ID please
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:19:23 -0700, Dave Hill
wrote: On 22 Sep, 14:21, "Cat(h)" wrote: On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:19:04 +0100, Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote: In message .com, "Cat(h)" writes On Sep 20, 7:59 pm, "David \(Normandy\)" wrote: "Frank Booth Snr" wrote in ... Looks like a clump of strawberry plants. No. They are definitely not strawberry plants! While there is a certain similarity to the leaf shape, these leaves are a silvery / blue / green. Next? They're amazingly alike, though. Are potentilla and strawbs related? Cat(h) In 2002 Mabberley wrote a paper (D.J. Mabberley, Potentilla and Fragaria (Rosaceae) reunited, Telopea 9(4): 793-802 (2002)) in which he reclassified strawberries as potentillas. In 2003 Erikkson et al wrote a paper (Eriksson et al, The Phylogeny of Rosoideae (Rosaceae) Based on Sequences of the Internal Transcribed Spacers (ITS) of Nuclear Ribosomal DNA and the TrnL/F Region of Chloroplast DNA , Int. J. Plant Sci. 164(2):197-211 (2003)) in which they reported that Potentilla and assorted segregate genera fall into two groups, each of which is sister to the other. However one of those groups also contains Alchemilla (Lady's Mantle) and Aphanes (Parsley Piert), which nobody is very keen on sinking is Potentilla. That implies restricting Potentilla to the other group. In simplified terms strawberries (Fragaria) are cinquefoils (Potentilla) with fleshy false fruits. Thanks for that most comprehensive answer! Cat(h) I just wonder if you are treating it to well, try no feed, of feeding with Tomato feed to encourage flowering David hill Hmmm.. Don't be accusing me of over-pampering someone else's plants, now... God knows I often ignore my own well enough ! Cat(h) |
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