Have taken over property that has about 60 yards of 45 degree banking covered in ivy, which is fine as ground cover goes, but it has been left to run riot for several years, pushed over and grown through boundary chainlink fence at top of bank.

Also currently have `evergreen` mountain ash and silver birch on the banking because the ivy has climbed up it uncontrolled for , er, some time.

Have cut through vines at base of trees but would like to arrest the spread across an old roadway where it appears to be a mature covering a few inches deep.

Guess there is no alternative but manual removal in large, but what chemical attack might start the process off or at least deter continued spread?

Thanks!

On 28/02/17 01:17, Adam Aglionby wrote:
Have taken over property that has about 60 yards of 45 degree banking
covered in ivy, which is fine as ground cover goes, but it has been
left to run riot for several years, pushed over and grown through
boundary chainlink fence at top of bank.

Also currently have `evergreen` mountain ash and silver birch on the
banking because the ivy has climbed up it uncontrolled for , er, some
time.

Have cut through vines at base of trees but would like to arrest the
spread across an old roadway where it appears to be a mature covering
a few inches deep.

Guess there is no alternative but manual removal in large, but what
chemical attack might start the process off or at least deter
continued spread?

Thanks!

Repeated glyphosate will eventually kill it. You may have to spray 4 or
5 times (it won't be cheap to spray that area). You might like to see
what comes up this spring before you spray, as the glyphosate will kill
just about anything it comes across.

You have probably saved the trees by cutting through the vines, but it
may still leave them disfigured. Also, it is quite possible that they
will be susceptible to strong winds without the ivy to support them, and
the ivy left will add wind resistance - a sort of "lose-lose" situation,
unfortunately.

I would also be concerned about the stability of the bank with the ivy
dead. What will stop erosion when the ivy has gone?

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Jeff

On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 7:51:22 AM UTC, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 28/02/17 01:17, Adam Aglionby wrote:
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Repeated glyphosate will eventually kill it. You may have to spray 4 or
5 times (it won't be cheap to spray that area). You might like to see
what comes up this spring before you spray, as the glyphosate will kill
just about anything it comes across.

Its but one of several areas requiring attention, think may have to order another couple of 5 litre Galup 490`s

There ain`t anything coming up through it , mature ground cover would describe it, 6" thick , decade or more of being left to its own devices on a sheletered north facing bank.

Quite happy to ,er, compost it in situ, would ammonium sulphamate be a possible attack vector?



You have probably saved the trees by cutting through the vines, but it
may still leave them disfigured. Also, it is quite possible that they
will be susceptible to strong winds without the ivy to support them, and
the ivy left will add wind resistance - a sort of "lose-lose" situation,
unfortunately.

Trees are at 30`, ivy has reached first 10 to 15 on some, just wishing to stop it reoccurring.

One tree may have been fatally molested with overweight , will have to see if it recovers in spring.


I would also be concerned about the stability of the bank with the ivy
dead. What will stop erosion when the ivy has gone?

Happy to leave the ivy on the bank, its getting it under control from climbing everywhere else trying to work out.

Thanks


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Jeff

In article ,
Jeff Layman wrote:
On 28/02/17 01:17, Adam Aglionby wrote:

You have probably saved the trees by cutting through the vines, but it
may still leave them disfigured. ...

Vanishingly unlikely in the case of the birch, and not all that likely
for the rowan. Ivy is not a serious threat to healthy, vigorous trees.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On 28/02/2017 01:17, Adam Aglionby wrote:
Have taken over property that has about 60 yards of 45 degree banking covered in ivy, which is fine as ground cover goes, but it has been left to run riot for several years, pushed over and grown through boundary chainlink fence at top of bank.

Also currently have `evergreen` mountain ash and silver birch on the banking because the ivy has climbed up it uncontrolled for , er, some time.

Have cut through vines at base of trees but would like to arrest the spread across an old roadway where it appears to be a mature covering a few inches deep.

Guess there is no alternative but manual removal in large, but what chemical attack might start the process off or at least deter continued spread?

Thanks!

Can I recommend Ammonium Sulphamate AKA Root Out).
http://www.garden-products.info/rootout.htm
Following EU rulings it is only allowe to be used as a compost
accellerator but it is effective a composting ivy and other shrubs in
situ. A word of warning!! I was trying to kill ivy on a brick wall and
cut all of the stems. The ivy still survived, presumably becaqure it
was drawing moistute from the wall through the anchor 'roots which held
it to tjhr wall. Sprsaying the wall with root out soon killed the growth

The ivy clinging to your trees may be a similar example but I would not
speculate on what efect sptaying the trees would have on the trees!

Malcolm

On 28/02/2017 01:17, Adam Aglionby wrote:
Have taken over property that has about 60 yards of 45 degree banking
covered in ivy, which is fine as ground cover goes, but it has been
left to run riot for several years, pushed over and grown through
boundary chainlink fence at top of bank.

Manual removal is probably the best bet.

Also currently have `evergreen` mountain ash and silver birch on the
banking because the ivy has climbed up it uncontrolled for , er, some
time.

Have cut through vines at base of trees but would like to arrest the
spread across an old roadway where it appears to be a mature covering
a few inches deep.

Cutting its connection to the ground and water supply will generally see
it off, but you might want to pull off as much as you can. It looks
unsightly dead and clinging to trees.

Guess there is no alternative but manual removal in large, but what
chemical attack might start the process off or at least deter
continued spread?

Glyphosate almost bounces off ivy. It will kill it eventually but it may
bankrupt you in the process. Ivy and holly seedlings typically survive
an application of glyphosate to scrubland as do a few buttercups. If
there is enough other stuff then glyphosate follwed when the rest is
tinder dry will burn the ivy too but with a lot of smoke.

SBK has more aggressive wetting agents in and is supposed to work a bit
better on ivy but I have never bothered. I just go for manual removal
followed by a bonfire fuelled by dried bramble and brushwood. It comes
off in handfuls if you grab hold and pull hard (unlike honeysuckle where
even a relatively thin stem will resist my entire body weight).

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Regards,
Martin Brown

In message , Martin Brown
writes
On 28/02/2017 01:17, Adam Aglionby wrote:
Have taken over property that has about 60 yards of 45 degree banking
covered in ivy, which is fine as ground cover goes, but it has been
left to run riot for several years, pushed over and grown through
boundary chainlink fence at top of bank.

Manual removal is probably the best bet.

Also currently have `evergreen` mountain ash and silver birch on the
banking because the ivy has climbed up it uncontrolled for , er, some
time.

Have cut through vines at base of trees but would like to arrest the
spread across an old roadway where it appears to be a mature covering
a few inches deep.

Cutting its connection to the ground and water supply will generally
see it off, but you might want to pull off as much as you can. It looks
unsightly dead and clinging to trees.

Guess there is no alternative but manual removal in large, but what
chemical attack might start the process off or at least deter
continued spread?

Glyphosate almost bounces off ivy. It will kill it eventually but it
may bankrupt you in the process. Ivy and holly seedlings typically
survive an application of glyphosate to scrubland as do a few
buttercups. If there is enough other stuff then glyphosate follwed when
the rest is tinder dry will burn the ivy too but with a lot of smoke.

SBK has more aggressive wetting agents in and is supposed to work a bit
better on ivy but I have never bothered. I just go for manual removal
followed by a bonfire fuelled by dried bramble and brushwood. It comes
off in handfuls if you grab hold and pull hard (unlike honeysuckle
where even a relatively thin stem will resist my entire body weight).

A drop or two of Fairy Liquid (or similar) helps it to wet 'waxy'
leaves. However, as it's not approved for horticultural purpose, I
believe that is against the EU rules.
--
Ian

On 06/03/2017 21:49, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Martin Brown
writes

SBK has more aggressive wetting agents in and is supposed to work a
bit better on ivy but I have never bothered. I just go for manual
removal followed by a bonfire fuelled by dried bramble and brushwood.
It comes off in handfuls if you grab hold and pull hard (unlike
honeysuckle where even a relatively thin stem will resist my entire
body weight).

A drop or two of Fairy Liquid (or similar) helps it to wet 'waxy'
leaves. However, as it's not approved for horticultural purpose, I
believe that is against the EU rules.

It doesn't really make a lot of difference adding washing up liquid -
the commercial glyphosate formulations already contain way more powerful
surfactants than those used for washing dishes. In fact the main danger
to users who are cavalier about handling the stuff comes from the
surfactants and adjuvants and not from the active ingredient!

--
Regards,
Martin Brown