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Old 05-08-2003, 05:42 AM
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In article , dave weil

Oh yeah, how about Phyllis Bide? I really like the look of yours. How
old is it? Is it "trained" around a framework or something?

Yes, it's trained up a 4 x 4 post that has some 2 x 4's that form a
cross-like structure near the top.

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I don't know if this has the remotest chance of working...
but the 4 x 4 fits through the little square in the middle, as if were
coming straight at you.

You need 10 foot 4 x 4, about 2 1/2 in the ground in Quicrete.

But Phyllis Bide is truly a rambler, and not a mound. It looked like a
huge mound in the early years, but now it is...just huge:

Lots of fun to deadhead. *Now* I know why people grow it as an
espalier. Doh.

BTW, my Portland from Glendora is starting to get really big. It's
suffering from spots (that tree fungus that everyone has talked about
maybe), but the biggest "problem" is the fact that it's getting a
little top-heavy. Since it sits in some pretty windy conditions, it's
definitely been leaning due to likely root rock. I've propped it up on
the leaning side using a little stack ofbricks and I hope that this
will help it stabilize. Before I did this, it was leaning at about 30%
off vertical with the longest cane almost touching the ground. I
started trying using a broomstick, but that just didn't work...

I was told not to prune it the first year, which I didn't. I'm
guessing that I should prune it this fall, right? How far do you think
I should go?

I'd deadhead hard right now. In the fall, I wouldn't prune it,
exactly, but definitely top it by a foot or so if you haven't already
taken that much off already. I believe in topping roses where wind
damage is possible. It sure didn't generate growth around here when I
did it last December. Then next spring, I'd prune it at the regular

I hear that the folk in SoCal say it does really well whacked hard,
like an oversized floribunda. I didn't hear that until too late to try
it last winter. I pegged down some droopy canes and pruned off all the
little twiggy growth, and the thing exploded. So definitely prune
Glendora (now correctly called Joasine Hanet) just the way you want it
to look.

As you can see, it's starting to get a little bit of a "rangey" look.
Earlier, it looked bushier.

Here are the most recent pics of it (the first two are from about 30
minutes ago):

Man, did that thing grow this year!

This one's from April of this year:

Isn't that cute?

Right now, it's about 5 1/2 feet tall. The earlier shot from April
shows it about 3 1/2 feet tall. I'd really like to keep that "compact"
upright bush shape and I guess I'll have to do that by pruning, right?
Any hints?

Mine gets rangy too.

Here how I pruned to remove lots of the laterals, especially at the

And here's how rangey it was 6 months later, which was a month ago:

Looking at the pruning photo, it's pretty clear that I could have cut
off at least 2/5's more in a half circle shape. I'll do that and more
this year. Mine is definitely wind blown.

I think we're both witnessing that Joasine Hanet is a lovely background
shrub. If we're going to have it as a specimen plant, we have to prune

Just my opinion this month.