On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 09:28:50 +0100, Malcolm
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On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 07:48:08 +0100, Malcolm
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The problem I have with the RSPB is that they kill, and support the
killing of, wildlife to suit their varying agendas. They also allow
the shooting of wild and game birds on their reserves.
Let's have a little honesty, please, Angus.
The RSPB has over 140 reserves. Are you claiming that they allow "the
shooting of wild and game birds" on all of them? If not, perhaps you
would like to tell us, firstly, on how many of them does shooting
actually take place and, secondly, on how many of those the RSPB
"allows" shooting, as opposed to them not being in a position to stop
it, bearing in mind that they may not own the shooting rights.
In the minds of most people, the RSPB is an organisation that protects
birds but in reality there is another side to it.
Some time ago, I came across a British Association for Shooting and
Conservation web-page, where it was revealed that shooters were
"managing" a wildfowl reserve for the RSPB. Within a day of me
bringing this to the attention of an Internet Newsgroup, the page was
removed from the Internet. Following a telephone call to the RSPB
headquarters in Edinburgh, I wrote to them asking if they would
identify the location of this reserve. They didn't reply.
Consequently, I started to do some research and found that shooting
tenants on their Abernethy Reserve kill about 200 brace of red grouse
each year. The RSPB's explanation was, "it is good for public
relations as the reserve is then not seen as divorced from normal
country pursuits".
Within a few days I came across the following message from a
contributor to an Internet wildfowling forum. "I shoot over marches
owned by the RSPB. They lease the Humber wildfowlers the shooting on
there and I suppose we sort of police them for the RSPB. Ironic how
they publicly attack us but still let us shoot on there."
Apart from the RSPB's continued advocacy for the slaughter of Ruddy
Ducks, Uist Hedgehogs, Lundy Rats and various species of deer, they
are also involved with those who shoot birds for fun and recreation.
Some way of "protecting" birds!
In my opinion, to solicit money from the general public for the
"protection of birds", then to allow them to be shot on "reserves",
which should be safe havens, is dishonest and disgraceful.
Or in other words, you were being dishonest when you claimed that
"They also allow the shooting of wild and game birds on their reserves."
as you have only been able to produce just two examples.
I'm not being dishonest at all. Read what I wrote.
So are you saying that the RSPB only allow shooting on two of their
reserves? As an RSPB adviser you should be able to provide
information as to how many reserves there are where birds are shot -
not only by shooting for sport but by the RSPB themselves. So come on
Malcolm, let the people in this ng know the truth.
Perhaps you
would like to tell us whether the RSPB own the shooting rights over the
whole of their Abernethy Reserve.
Are you saying the RSPB have no control over the shooting at
Abernethy? They admit they have a shooting tenant. I don't have
access to the title documents; you should know. Tell us now.
And, as you have been told before, the reserve involving BASC is one
where the RSPB interest is in summer breeding birds so that foreshore
shooting, which the RSPB doesn't own, does not have an effect on the
summer breeding birds and the arrangement with BASC prevents
uncontrolled shooting.
So what reserve is this you are referring to? This looks like another
one where RSPB have an "arrangement" with people who shoot birds
rather than protecting them.
The RSPB are quite right to advocate the removal of the introduced
hedgehogs from the Uists where they have done huge damage to the
ground-nesting waders.
So what increase has there been in ground nesting birds since the
hedgehogs were removed? And don't forget the RSPB is presiding over
the biggest fall in wild bird populations ever recorded. If they
spent more on protecting birds and less on fat cat executives who send
out environmentally damaging junk mail, such as I received a couple of
days ago, they might do better.
The culling of the Ruddy Duck is government
policy, but I notice you don't criticise the government over it, only
the RSPB.
Advocated and advised by the RSPB.
So is this where Malcolm aka Dr Thick tells me I'm a joyless c**t and
to f*** off - as he have done so in the past?
Just shows the quality of those the RSPB have as advisers :-((
Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk