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Old 10-07-2007, 07:59 AM posted to talk.politics.animals,uk.environment.conservation,misc.rural,uk.rec.gardening,alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian
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Dutch wrote:
"Rupert" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Jul 10, 12:59 pm, "Dutch" wrote:
"Rupert" wrote

It's your job to state the mechanism whereby my behaviour causes
animal deaths. You've utterly failed to meet this obligation. I've
generously been helping you out by suggesting possible mechanisms.

Listen to how self-serving and condescending you sound, referring to
yourself as "generous".


You claim not to read Rick's posts, in which case you are hardly in a
position to comment.


I was reading to see what you said, not rick.

I am being extraordinarily reasonable and patient
in engaging with him. Calling me condescending in the context of
Rick's torrent of mindless abuse is utterly ludicrous.


His torrents of mindless abuse are not the issue, I accused you earlier
of being condescending and you gave me an example.

Then you squeal like an infant about verbal abuse.


No, I don't. I simply point out that the behaviour of all the antis
here, including yours, utterly flouts all civilized standards of
decency, rationality, or justice.


You didn't "simply point it out", you announced that you're going to
withdraw from the debate if we don't start acting according to your
rules. Incidentally you have threatened that about a dozen times and
never followed through on it.


Ha ha ha ha ha! Yes, he tried something like that with
me before. He said I "needed" to stop replying to him,
that it was my obligation or some such horseshit. He
implied he didn't want to keep replying to me, but he
kept replying all the same, and I never did give him
the silly apology he kept demanding.

rupie flounces his skirt and stamps his delicate foot,
and then writes condescending bullshit. But I know how
to get him off that game.



The point is that you don't like the rough
language, I don't mind it at all, at least it's direct. I don't like the
air of superiority you try to project, I find that offensive.


It makes one want to smack him right in his pasty white
face.


You earn every bit of verbal abuse you get, and then some.


That is exactly right.


On what basis can you judge that I earn Rick's torrent of mindless
abuse, if you don't read his posts?


I've read enough of them over the years. If you read his posts you
should know that his approach doesn't change no matter who he talks to,
so to take it personally when he calls you "killer" and "hypocrite" is
pretty silly.

I don't merit any abuse. I don't abuse you, and you do a lot more to
earn abuse than me.


You beg for it. Acting haughty and superior on usenet is a guarantee
that you will be verbally abused.

Anyone who endorses the kind of behaviour that the antis engage in
here is not fit to be a member of a civilized community.


See, I don't agree. I find rought language refreshingly honest and
direct. I find evasion, condescension. sophistry, self-righteousness,
those kinds of attitudes offensive.

You sponsor animal deaths by using a computer, because a computer
uses hydro
and hydro production causes animal deaths.


You evidently have not been listening. My electricity is produced by
solar panels.


Maybe, sounds fishy, but even if it is, the argument still holds for the
vast majority of people for whom you presume to speak, they don't all
live off solar panels. It also applies to the rest of your consumption
as I said below.


If your use of a computer is not
directly related to your survival then you are causing unecessary animal
deaths. Does that indictment sound familar? This same principle
applies to
every part of your life where you consume anything more than you
require to
survive. Even if you consider those few activities which truly *are*
necessary for your survival, you still could not do them if those deaths
were humans. That's how different your real lifestyle is compared to the
pie-in-the-sky ideas you spout.