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"Dan L." wrote:
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Billy wrote:
In article
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"Dan L." wrote:
I am not an expert and could be wrong about this.
I do believe cat poo is harmful to humans.
Correct. Toxoplasmosis.
I think it goes like this. If
the animal is a carnivore (eats meat) and has a one chamber stomach, the
animal uses E-coli to break down the proteins - then yes it is bad for
vegetable gardening.
Horribly wrong.
Chewing (mouth), acid bath (stomach), and bile (small intestine)
mechanically and enzymaticaly break down our food.
The biblical sense - an unclean animal - humans
included 
Animals that are herbivores that just eats plants, chew the cud, like
cows, have a multi-chamber stomach and does not use E-coli for digestion
- then yes it is good for the garden. I think it need to dry out first.
There are various strains of E coli. Some are pathogenic (O157:H7 for
example) most are not. Most E coli are in the intestine because it is an
ecological niche that can be exploited, but the unintended consequence
is that they leave no room for pathological bacteria to establish
themselves, which keep us healthy.
To Other posters:
Please expand my knowledge. I agree that my view was wrong on the
digestive process of animals. Billy's view makes more sense.
Question #1:
I always thought at least carnivore's poop was not good for use in
vegetable gardens because it contains E-coli. Is this concept correct?
If not, Why?
Question #2:
Does herbivores like cows have E-coli in their poop?
I thought one did not get E-coli from cattle products. I thought E-coli
came from unsanitary meet packing houses that ended up in ground meat.
Steaks were not a problem, simply searing the steak would kill the
E-coli on the surface area (marinading meet should be cooked thoughly).
Question #3:
From reading Charlie's posting, the answer to #2 seems to be yes.
So does this mean that even cow manure (cow poop) should not even be
used on gardens also? This seems to go against an old tradition.
I do believe E-coli can be found from contaminated water and if used on
vegetable gardens can be bad news also. I thought water contamination
came from mostly human waste sewer run offs and not cattle wastes run
offs.
Please expand my knowledge of this subject. Just trying to get some
basic rules on the use of animal waste fertilizers if one should use it.
Dan......
http://ehs.ucdavis.edu/animal/health/enterics.cfm
As such, enteric bacteria imply feces. If you find one, you'll find the
other.
The intestines of all animals are colonized by a large number of
microbes. Most of these are harmless, or even beneficial. Others are
harmless in normal individuals, but can produce disease in the very
young, those with weakened immune systems, or in a new host that has no
prior experience with the microbe. Some bacteria are much more
pathogenic and can produce disease in normal individuals on a regular
basis.
These are a few of the enteric bacteria most often associated with
disease in humans :
* Salmonella
The genus Salmonella includes a very large number of species and
serotypes. Many Salmonellae are infectious for man. Salmonellae can
cause disease in animals, but may also be carried by apparently healthy
animals. Salmonellae are especially likely to be carried by reptiles,
birds, and wild rodents. Salmonellosis is one of the most common causes
of diarrhea and ³food poisoning² in man.
* Campylobacter jejuni
Campylobacter jejuni is also a very common cause of diarrhea in man. It
can be carried by most other mammals and by birds; it is especially
likely to be found in cattle, sheep, dogs and poultry. In mammals,
Campylobacter is most likely to be seen in young animals with diarrhea.
A very high proportion of chickens shed Campylobacter in their feces,
yet they rarely show any sign of illness.
* Eschericia coli (pathogenic strains)
Escherichia coli is one of the most common intestinal bacteria and is a
normal part of every mammalıs intestinal flora. While most E. coli
bacteria are harmless, there are a few specific types of E. coli that
can produce disease. Disease caused by pathogenic strains of E. coli is
most likely to be seen in cattle, swine, and humans.
* Shigella
Shigella is a tropical bacteria species that is often seen in primates,
but rarely in other animals. Shigella is a common cause of intestinal
illness in the tropics, but is rare in this country. The species of
Shigella seen in laboratory primates seldom infects people, but is at
least a potential risk. The signs of all the above in man would be
similar, although they may vary in severity. All can cause diarrhea,
cramping, and fever. Most cases are minor, but these infections can be
quite severe, especially in the young, the pregnant, or those with
compromised immune systems.
http://attra.ncat.org/attra-pub/manures.html
Raw manure may NOT be applied to food crops within 120 days of harvest
where edible portions have soil contact (i.e., most vegetables,
strawberries, etc.); it may NOT be applied to food crops within 90 days
of harvest where edible portions do not have soil contact (i.e., grain
crops, most tree fruits). Such restrictions do not apply to feed and
fiber crops.
Washington State University suggests that growers:
*Apply animal manures at least 60 days prior to harvest of any vegetable
that will be eaten without cooking.
*If possible, avoid manure spreading after planting.
See:
http://www.ext.colostate.edu/PUBS/foodnut/09369.html
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