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Sugar Maple age
The tree is 60 inches in diameter at the 5 foot level, and is in a
residential front yard in Nashville TN. There was a Silver Maple that shaded it somewhat, but that went down a few years ago in a tornado. By the chart used from http://www.learner.org/jnorth/tm/leaf/HowOld.html I figure if it was in a forest it would be 95 years old. How would I figure age in a non forest area? Kate PS - Thanks for the great book recommendations - I'm about half way through Forest Primeval and I'm seeing the woods I frequent in a totally new light! (And I love my Textbook of Dendrology!) |
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Kate
Your sugar maple would have an estimated age of 60" x 5 = 300 years in a non-forested environment. There are to many factors that could affect the growth rate in a forested situation. Vince "kate" wrote in message ... The tree is 60 inches in diameter at the 5 foot level, and is in a residential front yard in Nashville TN. There was a Silver Maple that shaded it somewhat, but that went down a few years ago in a tornado. By the chart used from http://www.learner.org/jnorth/tm/leaf/HowOld.html I figure if it was in a forest it would be 95 years old. How would I figure age in a non forest area? Kate PS - Thanks for the great book recommendations - I'm about half way through Forest Primeval and I'm seeing the woods I frequent in a totally new light! (And I love my Textbook of Dendrology!) |
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Wouldn't it be 60" divided by 3.14 x 5 = 95.55?
Isn't there a fairly good way to estimate a tree's age (without killing it, that is?) What other ways are there for knowing when a tree has reached it's maturity? (For instance, does it stop getting new growth?) Kate Vincent Chebetar wrote: Kate Your sugar maple would have an estimated age of 60" x 5 = 300 years in a non-forested environment. There are to many factors that could affect the growth rate in a forested situation. Vince "kate" wrote in message ... The tree is 60 inches in diameter at the 5 foot level, and is in a residential front yard in Nashville TN. There was a Silver Maple that shaded it somewhat, but that went down a few years ago in a tornado. By the chart used from http://www.learner.org/jnorth/tm/leaf/HowOld.html I figure if it was in a forest it would be 95 years old. How would I figure age in a non forest area? Kate PS - Thanks for the great book recommendations - I'm about half way through Forest Primeval and I'm seeing the woods I frequent in a totally new light! (And I love my Textbook of Dendrology!) |
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kate wrote in message ...
Wouldn't it be 60" divided by 3.14 x 5 = 95.55? Isn't there a fairly good way to estimate a tree's age (without killing it, that is?) What other ways are there for knowing when a tree has reached it's maturity? (For instance, does it stop getting new growth?) Kate See if you can borrow a nice sharp "increment borer". It's a device for taking a small core sample of the tree. Boring into hardwoods isn't very fun and counting the rings can also be difficult on an old tree. It leaves a tiny hole, which some foresters plug back up with the core when they're done. How bout it, guys? Any thoughts of that practice? I worked with a former FIA plotter who claimed that it wasn't necessarily the best thing to do, possibly inviting fungi and diseases into the wood of the tree. I know that pines are very well adapted to plugging the hole on their own. Larry |
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"Larry Harrell" wrote in message om... kate wrote in message ... See if you can borrow a nice sharp "increment borer". It's a device for taking a small core sample of the tree. Boring into hardwoods isn't very fun and counting the rings can also be difficult on an old tree. It leaves a tiny hole, which some foresters plug back up with the core when they're done. How bout it, guys? Any thoughts of that practice? I worked with a former FIA plotter who claimed that it wasn't necessarily the best thing to do, possibly inviting fungi and diseases into the wood of the tree. I know that pines are very well adapted to plugging the hole on their own. Larry Given that she stated that the tree was 60" in dia., she would need at least a 30" long increment borer - not too many of those around. And I certainly wouldn't want to be the one who had to core a maple that big. I fall in the camp of those who believe that the tree will heal better if you don't put the core back in. Bob Weinberger |
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Kate
I see what you are doing. The circumference is divided by 3.1415 (Pi) to obtain the diameter of the tree, which is then multiplied by the growth factor to obtain an approximation of the age of the tree. Vince "Vincent Chebetar" wrote in message ... Kate Your sugar maple would have an estimated age of 60" x 5 = 300 years in a non-forested environment. There are to many factors that could affect the growth rate in a forested situation. Vince "kate" wrote in message ... The tree is 60 inches in diameter at the 5 foot level, and is in a residential front yard in Nashville TN. There was a Silver Maple that shaded it somewhat, but that went down a few years ago in a tornado. By the chart used from http://www.learner.org/jnorth/tm/leaf/HowOld.html I figure if it was in a forest it would be 95 years old. How would I figure age in a non forest area? Kate PS - Thanks for the great book recommendations - I'm about half way through Forest Primeval and I'm seeing the woods I frequent in a totally new light! (And I love my Textbook of Dendrology!) |
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See if you can borrow a nice sharp "increment borer".
I don't think an increment borer would work too well as sugar maple is a diffuse porus wood and the rings wouldn't show up too well for counting. |
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Vincent Chebetar wrote:
I was scratching my head about the 60 inch diameter on a 95 year old tree myself. Thanks for clearing that up Wonder what the MAI is and how is the wood quality? Joe Kate I see what you are doing. The circumference is divided by 3.1415 (Pi) to obtain the diameter of the tree, which is then multiplied by the growth factor to obtain an approximation of the age of the tree. Vince "Vincent Chebetar" wrote in message ... Kate Your sugar maple would have an estimated age of 60" x 5 = 300 years in a non-forested environment. There are to many factors that could affect the growth rate in a forested situation. Vince "kate" wrote in message ... The tree is 60 inches in diameter at the 5 foot level, and is in a residential front yard in Nashville TN. There was a Silver Maple that shaded it somewhat, but that went down a few years ago in a tornado. By the chart used from http://www.learner.org/jnorth/tm/leaf/HowOld.html I figure if it was in a forest it would be 95 years old. How would I figure age in a non forest area? Kate PS - Thanks for the great book recommendations - I'm about half way through Forest Primeval and I'm seeing the woods I frequent in a totally new light! (And I love my Textbook of Dendrology!) |
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Oops - sorry. Math is not my strong suit. Does this mean the diameter is
19.11" if the circumference (tape measure around the truck) is 60"? Kate Vincent Chebetar wrote: Kate I see what you are doing. The circumference is divided by 3.1415 (Pi) to obtain the diameter of the tree, which is then multiplied by the growth factor to obtain an approximation of the age of the tree. Vince "Vincent Chebetar" wrote in message ... Kate Your sugar maple would have an estimated age of 60" x 5 = 300 years in a non-forested environment. There are to many factors that could affect the growth rate in a forested situation. Vince "kate" wrote in message ... The tree is 60 inches in diameter at the 5 foot level, and is in a residential front yard in Nashville TN. There was a Silver Maple that shaded it somewhat, but that went down a few years ago in a tornado. By the chart used from http://www.learner.org/jnorth/tm/leaf/HowOld.html I figure if it was in a forest it would be 95 years old. How would I figure age in a non forest area? Kate PS - Thanks for the great book recommendations - I'm about half way through Forest Primeval and I'm seeing the woods I frequent in a totally new light! (And I love my Textbook of Dendrology!) |
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What's "MAI?"
Kate Joe Shmoe wrote: Vincent Chebetar wrote: I was scratching my head about the 60 inch diameter on a 95 year old tree myself. Thanks for clearing that up Wonder what the MAI is and how is the wood quality? Joe Kate I see what you are doing. The circumference is divided by 3.1415 (Pi) to obtain the diameter of the tree, which is then multiplied by the growth factor to obtain an approximation of the age of the tree. Vince "Vincent Chebetar" wrote in message ... Kate Your sugar maple would have an estimated age of 60" x 5 = 300 years in a non-forested environment. There are to many factors that could affect the growth rate in a forested situation. Vince "kate" wrote in message ... The tree is 60 inches in diameter at the 5 foot level, and is in a residential front yard in Nashville TN. There was a Silver Maple that shaded it somewhat, but that went down a few years ago in a tornado. By the chart used from http://www.learner.org/jnorth/tm/leaf/HowOld.html I figure if it was in a forest it would be 95 years old. How would I figure age in a non forest area? Kate PS - Thanks for the great book recommendations - I'm about half way through Forest Primeval and I'm seeing the woods I frequent in a totally new light! (And I love my Textbook of Dendrology!) |
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(Vincent Chebetar) writes:
Your sugar maple would have an estimated age of 60" x 5 = 300 years in a non-forested environment. There are to many factors that could affect the growth rate in a forested situation. No kidding! Sugar maples grow that slowly? I would expect 300 years out of a quercus, but not an acer. -- http://home.teleport.com/~larryc |
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Larry Harrell wrote: kate wrote in message ... Wouldn't it be 60" divided by 3.14 x 5 = 95.55? Isn't there a fairly good way to estimate a tree's age (without killing it, that is?) What other ways are there for knowing when a tree has reached it's maturity? (For instance, does it stop getting new growth?) Kate See if you can borrow a nice sharp "increment borer". It's a device for taking a small core sample of the tree. Boring into hardwoods isn't very fun and counting the rings can also be difficult on an old tree. It leaves a tiny hole, which some foresters plug back up with the core when they're done. How bout it, guys? Any thoughts of that practice? I worked with a former FIA plotter who claimed that it wasn't necessarily the best thing to do, possibly inviting fungi and diseases into the wood of the tree. I know that pines are very well adapted to plugging the hole on their own. Is that pretty much how it's done, then? My curiousity stemmed from the local electric company being on a tree trimming binge and concern that they don't hack this one to bits as it's the only large old tree in the yard. One thing led to another and here I am wondering how old it is. Kate |
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While looking for 75 year old blazes I once found 16 inch diameter maples in
rocky terrain that were over 100 years old ( found my survey evidence), and , within a mile, a 45 inch maple that was less than 60 years old. It grew in better soil and with less surrounding tress. It all depends upon soil, water, and sun, I suppose. -- .................................................. ....................... Paddle Slowly : The ride is over soon enough. .................................................. ....................... "kate" wrote in message ... The tree is 60 inches in diameter at the 5 foot level, and is in a residential front yard in Nashville TN. There was a Silver Maple that shaded it somewhat, but that went down a few years ago in a tornado. By the chart used from ) |
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The truth about finding a sugar maple age.
1. That age equation below will not work for two major reasons. 1. It assumes that the trunk of a tree is perfectly cylindrical. Of course, no tree trunk that I have ever seen is a perfect circle, although some species on some sites come close. Sugar maple very seldomly comes close. 2. The growth rate is not correct. Sugar maples grow differently throughout their range. Sugar maples grow anywhere from Canada (Northern Ontario) to Georgia in some of the better sites of the blue ridge mtns. They can possess increments of anywhere from 1/16" (1/8" growth in diameter per year) to 1/4" (1/2" diameter growth per year) increments, depending on their location. 2. Some advice below this post has suggested that diffuse porous (wood without vessels) wood is not easily aged by taking a increment sample with a increment borer. This has some validity to it. It's sometimes tough. Personally, I have tried to get the age of sugar maples, and it is my opinion that it makes a significant difference what area you are in and what season it is (because sugar maples produce lots of sap in spring-early summer). Using an increment borer, I would suggest that it would be best in fall to make the core and get some increment bore dye from forestry suppliers (I'd suggest Ben Meadows, but they don't sell it anymore) www.forestry-suppliers.com, and dye the increment with the chemical. This chemical will dye certain parts of the wood (the lignin) a particular color while it does not stick to the other parts of the wood, therefore making summer wood (the large part of the ring) contrast with the winter wood (the smaller part of the ring) so that the rings can easily be seen. 3. Boring an increment will very likely not do damage to the tree as long as you keep your increment borer clean (e.g. treat it with a bleach solution to kill any pathenogens) prior to boring the hole. If you are really concerned about it, paint a little of this same bleach solution along where the cambium meets the wood. Of course the only area where fungi can attack a tree is the growing section of the tree (the cambium), the interior wood is dead. There are other "stains" and such that may discolor or decay the wood, but in general, as long as there is enough structural integrity in the dead wood to support the tree and the living tissue is healthy, the tree will continue to grow (although more slowly at this size). 4. What I would suggest is taking a small increment of maybe 4" or so, measure it with a tape measure, count the rings in that 4" to develop an average rings per inch ratio and multiply that number times the diameter. Use a diameter tape or the average of three ways around the trunk using a diameter caliper to get the diameter figure. Using this "sampling" approach, you will have a very close estimate of how old your tree is. 5. Last considerations: Trees grow quicker in open environments early on than they do as they get older. This must be taken into consideration to get a closer estimate of the age. Up here in Mid-Michigan, the average diameter growth for sugar maple is probably less than 1/8" per year (takes 8 years to put on 1 inch of diameter growth - but this is in a forested environment). Also, it takes 8 years for the smallest seedling (cotyledon just coming out of seed) to reach 54" height on an average site in the Northeast. Hope this helps you. Good luck, Geoff Kegerreis To learn more about forests and forestry, browse timberline forestry consulting at www.timberlineforestry.com kate wrote: The tree is 60 inches in diameter at the 5 foot level, and is in a residential front yard in Nashville TN. There was a Silver Maple that shaded it somewhat, but that went down a few years ago in a tornado. By the chart used from http://www.learner.org/jnorth/tm/leaf/HowOld.html I figure if it was in a forest it would be 95 years old. How would I figure age in a non forest area? Kate PS - Thanks for the great book recommendations - I'm about half way through Forest Primeval and I'm seeing the woods I frequent in a totally new light! (And I love my Textbook of Dendrology!) |
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