Trish Brown wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:


SORRY! this is a NO-NO. You do NOT squirt the dog with water or do
anything which actually touches the dog! Doing so is called ASSAULT
and you may end up spending heaps of $$$ on legals.

Do what you want to do with your own animal(s), but do NOT touch
anyone else's animal in any way.


Yipes! Didn't think of that! You're right, of course! Although, it does
seem less cruel to the dog to give it a faceful of water rather than
horrifying it with noise from a chain on a fence...


There is no "cruelty" involved with sending some noise at the dog. If
you confine the darn thing in a 1m x 1m box and blast it with rap music
for hours then that would be cruelty. Don't confuse training with cruelty.

Cheers.

--
All things are possible, except skiing through a revolving door.

On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 19:37:39 +1000, Basil Chupin
wrote in aus.gardens:

Khangu, all you do is squirt the dog full in the face as it barks. Say

SORRY! this is a NO-NO. You do NOT squirt the dog with water or do
anything which actually touches the dog! Doing so is called ASSAULT and
you may end up spending heaps of $$$ on legals.

Do what you want to do with your own animal(s), but do NOT touch anyone
else's animal in any way.

Is there a law protecting animals from 'assault'? Cruelty perhaps but
not assault surely.


Regards
Prickles

" writes:
The problem is that the damn thing runs up the fence and barks at me
everytime I enter my gardens. He does the same thing to anyone that
moves actually. He barks at people 2 houses down, if he sees them!

The neighbours are nice enough and tell it to shut up, but they are
often out of the house.

Is it likely that the dog will cease once he get used to me

The dog will NEVER get used to you in this situation. You are going to
have to make friends with it, so that it welcomes your appearance in the
backyard and greets you with tail wagging instead of warning you off by
barking.

Buy a box of dried dog food, and slip a few tidbits to it every time you
venture into the backyard for the first few days, then ease off to just
occasionally. See whether you can catch its owner out in the yard and go
over to the fence and have a friendly chat to the owner, explain what you
are wanting to do and make sure it's okay with him to give his dog a few
crumbs of dog food, and start making friends with it there and then while
the owner is present. You will be surprised just how easy it is to win a
dog over.

Only where the owner doesn't want you to give even tiny morsels to his
dog do things get tricky--then you have to do it surreptitiously while
the owner is not watching!

Resist the temptation to hose the dog or scare it in any way, you will
just undo all your good work up till then. Do the owners take the dog
for a walk outside their yard? If so, that is a good place to meet them
as it's on neutral ground. Just happen to run into them down the street
and you could walk alongside and talk to the owner, and the dog will
start getting used to you that way.
--
John Savage (my news address is not valid for email)

Basil Chupin wrote:

SORRY! this is a NO-NO. You do NOT squirt the dog with water or do
anything which actually touches the dog! Doing so is called ASSAULT and
you may end up spending heaps of $$$ on legals.

In that case, you must complain to the council EVERY time it barks, And
keep complain about the animal barking. Either your neighbour does
something or you learn to put up with it.

Then you fall over and require medical attention as a result of nothing
being done and you then can sue both the neighbour and council. {:-).

I agree with John Savage. It seems to me the dog is only protecting it's
territory, if you do anything mean you're only going to teach it was
justified in thinking you're a threat.

Be nice to it, become it's friend!!


"John Savage" wrote in message
om...
" writes:
The problem is that the damn thing runs up the fence and barks at me
everytime I enter my gardens. He does the same thing to anyone that
moves actually. He barks at people 2 houses down, if he sees them!

The neighbours are nice enough and tell it to shut up, but they are
often out of the house.

Is it likely that the dog will cease once he get used to me

The dog will NEVER get used to you in this situation. You are going to
have to make friends with it, so that it welcomes your appearance in the
backyard and greets you with tail wagging instead of warning you off by
barking.

Buy a box of dried dog food, and slip a few tidbits to it every time you
venture into the backyard for the first few days, then ease off to just
occasionally. See whether you can catch its owner out in the yard and go
over to the fence and have a friendly chat to the owner, explain what you
are wanting to do and make sure it's okay with him to give his dog a few
crumbs of dog food, and start making friends with it there and then while
the owner is present. You will be surprised just how easy it is to win a
dog over.

Only where the owner doesn't want you to give even tiny morsels to his
dog do things get tricky--then you have to do it surreptitiously while
the owner is not watching!

Resist the temptation to hose the dog or scare it in any way, you will
just undo all your good work up till then. Do the owners take the dog
for a walk outside their yard? If so, that is a good place to meet them
as it's on neutral ground. Just happen to run into them down the street
and you could walk alongside and talk to the owner, and the dog will
start getting used to you that way.
--
John Savage (my news address is not valid for email)

Try this.

http://tinyurl.com/84xdy

John Savage wrote:
Buy a box of dried dog food, and slip a few tidbits to it every time you
venture into the backyard for the first few days, then ease off to just
occasionally. See whether you can catch its owner out in the yard and go
over to the fence and have a friendly chat to the owner, explain what you
are wanting to do and make sure it's okay with him to give his dog a few
crumbs of dog food, and start making friends with it there and then while
the owner is present. You will be surprised just how easy it is to win a
dog over.

Thanks John. This was going to be my last resort.

I did not feel comfortable feeding the dog, just so I can enjoy my
garden. But short of 'punishing' it, which I'm not inclined to do, I
guess I have no choice, but feed it.

Basil Chupin wrote:

A dog whistle is a dog whistle and you can pick one up any pet shop. But
what good is a whistle in this situation? The dog barks, you blow the
whistle, the dog stops for a second or two thene starts to bark, you
blow the whistle, the dog stops for a second or so and then realises
that everytime it barks he hears a whistle which is rather pleasant so
starts to bark even more just to be able to hear more of the whistle.

I was hoping for a whistle that sounds like your chains idea. It would
be more discrete using a whistle, than a chain.

My neighbours are mostly out, but I would not take the chance of
getting caught chucking chains when they may just be sleeping inside,
and catching me at it.

While I had read your original post last week, I've only just noticed an
ad in the local newspaper for a company who deals with barking
dogs....it may or may not help but thought I'd post anyway.

www.barkbusters.com.au

Good luck!!

wrote:
Looking for any Dr Harry here, or tips about dogs.

I've had a new neighbour moved in next door, and they have a guard dog
looking like a rottweiler.

The problem is that the damn thing runs up the fence and barks at me
everytime I enter my gardens. He does the same thing to anyone that
moves actually. He barks at people 2 houses down, if he sees them!

The neighbours are nice enough and tell it to shut up, but they are
often out of the house.

Is it likely that the dog will cease once he get used to me or do I
have to make an effort to get to know the dog, ie, throw it some food
or something.

Thanks for any advice.

you don't have proof, councils will ignore you. simple bait the *******
or burn it. If the owner has ignored you. take action, they can't prove
it was you if you kill it first time.




Terry Collins wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:

SORRY! this is a NO-NO. You do NOT squirt the dog with water or do
anything which actually touches the dog! Doing so is called ASSAULT
and you may end up spending heaps of $$$ on legals.


In that case, you must complain to the council EVERY time it barks, And
keep complain about the animal barking. Either your neighbour does
something or you learn to put up with it.

Then you fall over and require medical attention as a result of nothing
being done and you then can sue both the neighbour and council. {:-).

why should you its up to the owner to control their dog. Death by mis
adventure is vengence

Jen wrote:
I agree with John Savage. It seems to me the dog is only protecting it's
territory, if you do anything mean you're only going to teach it was
justified in thinking you're a threat.

Be nice to it, become it's friend!!


"John Savage" wrote in message
om...

" writes:

The problem is that the damn thing runs up the fence and barks at me
everytime I enter my gardens. He does the same thing to anyone that
moves actually. He barks at people 2 houses down, if he sees them!

The neighbours are nice enough and tell it to shut up, but they are
often out of the house.

Is it likely that the dog will cease once he get used to me

The dog will NEVER get used to you in this situation. You are going to
have to make friends with it, so that it welcomes your appearance in the
backyard and greets you with tail wagging instead of warning you off by
barking.

Buy a box of dried dog food, and slip a few tidbits to it every time you
venture into the backyard for the first few days, then ease off to just
occasionally. See whether you can catch its owner out in the yard and go
over to the fence and have a friendly chat to the owner, explain what you
are wanting to do and make sure it's okay with him to give his dog a few
crumbs of dog food, and start making friends with it there and then while
the owner is present. You will be surprised just how easy it is to win a
dog over.

Only where the owner doesn't want you to give even tiny morsels to his
dog do things get tricky--then you have to do it surreptitiously while
the owner is not watching!

Resist the temptation to hose the dog or scare it in any way, you will
just undo all your good work up till then. Do the owners take the dog
for a walk outside their yard? If so, that is a good place to meet them
as it's on neutral ground. Just happen to run into them down the street
and you could walk alongside and talk to the owner, and the dog will
start getting used to you that way.
--
John Savage (my news address is not valid for email)

"noone" wrote in message
...
you don't have proof, councils will ignore you. simple bait the ******* or
burn it. If the owner has ignored you. take action, they can't prove it
was you if you kill it first time.



My kind of understatement, subtle???

"noone" wrote in message
...
why should you its up to the owner to control their dog. Death by mis
adventure is vengence

Why be cruel?? There's no need. I know if I was the person who owned the
dog, I would be most grateful if you helped out. It also helps with
relations with your neighbour. Why make things difficult?? It's really not
that hard to make friends with the dog, and therefore the neighbour.

Jen

wrote in message
oups.com...
Looking for any Dr Harry here, or tips about dogs.


The problem is that the damn thing runs up the fence and barks at me
everytime I enter my gardens. He does the same thing to anyone that
moves actually. He barks at people 2 houses down, if he sees them!

Is it likely that the dog will cease once he get used to me or do I
have to make an effort to get to know the dog, ie, throw it some food
or something.

Thanks for any advice.

If you feel up to it there are some really good newsgroups that you could
recommend to your neighbor, or you could do yourself. I think most things
would work best if you had a hand in it, the dog doesn't know you so he's
protecting his family or yard from you, which I think is pretty nice of the
dog to do for his owners.

Jen