Ivy prolific growth problem
Hi all
I have just realised that the ivy growing at the end of our garden under the sycamore treee (melbourne) is expanding and expanding across the front lawn. Short of digging it up and my husband and I are not young anymore, can I poison this in some way - we have no animals, neither do the neighbours. Thank you. Ruth. |
Ivy prolific growth problem
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G'day Ruth, the trouble with poisoning it is that it's going to be unsightly for a long time. I'd think the best bet is to get a young lad in to clean it up, but if you think that's going to be too expensive you'll have to find the main stem or stems where it comes out the ground, cut away the outside bark wrap an old piece of towel or other absorbent cloth around it and soak it with a strong solution of Roundup or similar poison. he blokes down at the hardware will tell you the best valur chemical for the job, but that's the best way of applying it.
If the weather is warm put some glad wrap over the cloth to keep it from drying out to quickly. |
Ivy prolific growth problem
I just wanna top up your drink for considering the safety of your neighbours
pets, you're a good person Ruth, best of luck with the ivy! |
Ivy prolific growth problem
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Ivy prolific growth problem
godwin wrote:
G'day Ruth, the trouble with poisoning it is that it's going to be unsightly for a long time. I'd think the best bet is to get a young lad in to clean it up, but if you think that's going to be too expensive you'll have to find the main stem or stems where it comes out the ground, cut away the outside bark wrap an old piece of towel or other absorbent cloth around it and soak it with a strong solution of Roundup or similar poison. he blokes down at the hardware will tell you the best valur chemical for the job, but that's the best way of applying it. If the weather is warm put some glad wrap over the cloth to keep it from drying out to quickly. Ivy the term poison ivy comes t omind. Be very carefull as most ivy I have had to do with can create allergic reactions some time down the line. Rubbish? No its isnt. Appararently the stuff creates a problem later and is very alregeneic...See here... http://www.healthfirst.net.au/content/view/78/42/ First hand contact by me in a limited way to try and remove the stuff was not very nice.... :-( |
Ivy prolific growth problem
While there are many types of Ivy , most will give you trouble..
see here and ask around... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxicodendron http://www.inmygarden.org/archives/2...ing_poiso.html |
Ivy prolific growth problem
Jonno wrote:
While there are many types of Ivy , most will give you trouble.. see here and ask around... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxicodendron http://www.inmygarden.org/archives/2...ing_poiso.html Apparently, from memory it was grown in Australia early in the 19 century and exported for some reason. i believe it was medical. But interesting stuff with dangerous consequences. Most Doctors seem to know about it... |
Ivy prolific growth problem
wrote:
I have just realised that the ivy growing at the end of our garden under the sycamore treee (melbourne) is expanding and expanding across the front lawn. Short of digging it up and my husband and I are not young anymore, can I poison this in some way - we have no animals, neither do the neighbours. I've had the same problem. Roundup/Zero had little effect on ivy. I did some research and the best way is to cut it back to about 30cm of stalk then paint with blackberry killer (available in hardware stores). You need to do this a couple of times as new leaves appear. Andrew -- Andrew Gabb email: Adelaide, South Australia phone: +61 8 8342-1021, fax: +61 8 8269-3280 ----- |
Ivy prolific growth problem
Jonno wrote:
Jonno wrote: While there are many types of Ivy , most will give you trouble.. see here and ask around... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxicodendron http://www.inmygarden.org/archives/2...ing_poiso.html Apparently, from memory it was grown in Australia early in the 19 century and exported for some reason. i believe it was medical. But interesting stuff with dangerous consequences. Most Doctors seem to know about it... Not as widespread as first thought by me but still something to know about. Especially as its easily mistaken for other ivy.. "ORNAMENTAL USES Poison-ivy has other economic significance. Hard to believe, but poison-ivy has been cultivated in gardens in New South Wales, Australia, and in Dunedin, New Zealand, and sold as an ornamental by English nurserymen, probably as far back as 1640. Colorful autumnal foliage is used to highlight displays of fruit at shows-and it does not escape cultivation! (16). DERMATITIS The recorded history of poison-ivy dermatitis began in 1609. In his account of his experiences with poison-ivy in Virginia and Bermuda, Capt. John Smith wrote: "The poisoned weed is much in shape like our English ivy, but being touched, causeth redness, itching, and lastly, blisters, and which, howsoever after a while pass away of them-selves, without further harm; yet because for the time they are somewhat painfill, it hath got itself an ill name, although questionless of no ill nature" (11). Indeed, Toxicodendron sensitivity is doubtlessly the prototype of allergic contact dermatitis in the U.S., having afflicted the very first white settlers (11). Lack of recognition of the plant in all its forms is the chief cause of exposure (10). Only humans and closely related primates get the dermatitis (5). Symptoms from the first exposure to the allergen in the various species of Toxicodendron are extremely rare. Probably seven out of every 10 people in the U.S. can develop this allergy if exposed to the toxin a second time. With subsequent exposures, however, symptoms may develop 12 to 72 hours later or in less time in highly sensitive individuals (12). Both poison-ivy and poison-oak may cause severe dermatitis on contact; even breathing smoke from burning plants is harmful (3). Transmission from smoke is by droplets on particles of dust and ash via the smoke, rather than from gas. Smoke from burning poison-ivy plants or contaminated articles can carry the poison in a dispersed form (13). With time, sensitivity to poisoning can change. Generally, persons repeatedly exposed to poison-ivy and poison-oak become more sensitive because they react to lower concentrations of the oily toxicant. And people usually become less sensitive as they get older. But this rule does not always hold true. Persons who have waded through patches of poison-oak numerous times without effect can suddenly develop a severe rash after such contact. Occasionally a person becomes less sensitive after a serious bout of poisoning by such plants (12). The dermatitis rarely lasts longer than 10 days (5). The plant sap contains urushiol, a yellowish slightly volatile oil that causes the allergic reaction on the skin. Contacting the oil sets off a skin eruption that can vary from a simple itching inflammation to water blisters, which exude serum in the most severe cases, making infection a real danger (5, 12). Urushiol is carried in specialized vessels or resin ducts in the phloem of the plants. It normally is not present on the surface of leaves or twigs nor in the stamen or the pollen of the flowers. It is found within the resin ducts in leaves and flowers, and the bark of stems and roots in all Toxicodendron species. When the leaves are bruised, chewed by insects, or otherwise damaged, then and only then will the poison exude from the poison ducts onto the leaf surface. The fluid changes in a few hours to a black gummy substance (12). Urushiol can be toxic for an indefinite period; several 100-year-old herbarium specimens have been toxic to sensitive persons who have handled them (12). Contrary to many old wives' tales, eating a poison-ivy leaf does not confer immunity (7). Objects such as clothing, gloves, and tools can convey the poison. Once contaminated they are often the sources of prolonged infections. Dogs, cats, and livestock frequently contact the plants and transmit the poison to children or other unsuspecting persons. The poison can remain on the hair of animals for a considerable time after they have gone through patches of poison-ivy (12). Cattle, horses, sheep, hogs, and other livestock apparently do not suffer skin irritation from these plants, even though they graze on them occasionally. Poison-ivy is heavily browsed by deer. Bees collect nectar from the flowers, but no ill effects from contact with honey have been reported (12). MEDICINAL PROPERTIES Inconceivably, in North American medicine the acrid juice from fresh leaves of poison-oak was formerly pre-scribed for its "irritant, stimulant and narcotic" principles "in palsies, paralysis, drowsiness, stupors, delirium, rheumatism, stiffness, herpetic troubles [and] certain other eruptive diseases" as a "visicant for producing blisters." At one time poison-oak was officially listed in the Pharmacopoeia of the U.S. Although the plant was introduced into England in the 1640s, it was not used in medicine there until the end of the 18th century when it was utilized in the treatment of stubborn herpetic eruptions 13). The sap from poison-oak leaves has irritant, narcotic, and stimulant principles, and in small doses is a nervous system sedative. A tincture of the sap is used for relieving nettle stings, ringworm, eczema, and rheumatism (13). SEED DISSEMINATION At least 55 species of birds are responsible for the wide distribution of poison-ivy seed (15). After eating the fruits of T. radicans, the seeds are voided near trees, fences, and telephone lines (10). Because of this, the pest is increasing throughout the country since the plant is usually left un-molested in such areas (6)." |
Ivy prolific growth problem
On Sat, 06 May 2006 22:20:59 GMT, wrote:
On Sat, 06 May 2006 20:48:53 +1000, wrote: You can poison it but be aware that if any poison gets on your lawn or parts of the garden you want, it will kill that too. Thank you for your reply and I will be very careful. Would you have any idea what kind of poison or brand I should look for? Roundup or other glyphosphate based herbicides. Roundup is a bit expensive, Bunnings carry cheaper brands. Thank you for your comments. Ruth. |
Ivy prolific growth problem
On Mon, 08 May 2006 10:41:27 +1000, Jonno
wrote: Jonno wrote: Jonno wrote: While there are many types of Ivy , most will give you trouble.. see here and ask around... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxicodendron http://www.inmygarden.org/archives/2...ing_poiso.html Apparently, from memory it was grown in Australia early in the 19 century and exported for some reason. i believe it was medical. But interesting stuff with dangerous consequences. Most Doctors seem to know about it... [snipped text here.......] Thank you Jonno for all your trouble - very interesting. Ruth. |
Ivy prolific growth problem
On Sat, 6 May 2006 13:30:20 +0000, godwin
wrote: G'day Ruth, the trouble with poisoning it is that it's going to be unsightly for a long time. I'd think the best bet is to get a young lad in to clean it up, but if you think that's going to be too expensive you'll have to find the main stem or stems where it comes out the ground, cut away the outside bark wrap an old piece of towel or other absorbent cloth around it and soak it with a strong solution of Roundup or similar poison. he blokes down at the hardware will tell you the best valur chemical for the job, but that's the best way of applying it. If the weather is warm put some glad wrap over the cloth to keep it from drying out to quickly. Thank you godwin - I could get a uni lad looking for some extra money, that's a good thought! And.for your other tips too. Ruth. |
Ivy prolific growth problem
On Sun, 07 May 2006 23:31:23 +0930, Andrew Gabb
wrote: wrote: I have just realised that the ivy growing at the end of our garden under the sycamore treee (melbourne) is expanding and expanding across the front lawn. Short of digging it up and my husband and I are not young anymore, can I poison this in some way - we have no animals, neither do the neighbours. I've had the same problem. Roundup/Zero had little effect on ivy. I did some research and the best way is to cut it back to about 30cm of stalk then paint with blackberry killer (available in hardware stores). You need to do this a couple of times as new leaves appear. Thank you Andrew, as I mentioned in an earlier post, I could get a young uni student in to do just that and then use the poison myself. Ruth. |
Ivy prolific growth problem
Also note that ivy is a bit of a problem to work with, because it's
a bit poisonous (not as much as poison ivy, but still a problem). So whoever does it should have skin covered, and wear a mask. I believe there can also be a bit of a problem with the smoke if burnt, but it composts OK if green. Andrew wrote: On Sun, 07 May 2006 23:31:23 +0930, Andrew Gabb wrote: wrote: I have just realised that the ivy growing at the end of our garden under the sycamore treee (melbourne) is expanding and expanding across the front lawn. Short of digging it up and my husband and I are not young anymore, can I poison this in some way - we have no animals, neither do the neighbours. I've had the same problem. Roundup/Zero had little effect on ivy. I did some research and the best way is to cut it back to about 30cm of stalk then paint with blackberry killer (available in hardware stores). You need to do this a couple of times as new leaves appear. Thank you Andrew, as I mentioned in an earlier post, I could get a young uni student in to do just that and then use the poison myself. Ruth. -- Andrew Gabb email: Adelaide, South Australia phone: +61 8 8342-1021, fax: +61 8 8269-3280 ----- |
Ivy prolific growth problem
Andrew Gabb wrote:
Also note that ivy is a bit of a problem to work with, because it's a bit poisonous (not as much as poison ivy, but still a problem). So whoever does it should have skin covered, and wear a mask. I believe there can also be a bit of a problem with the smoke if burnt, but it composts OK if green. Andrew wrote: On Sun, 07 May 2006 23:31:23 +0930, Andrew Gabb wrote: wrote: I have just realised that the ivy growing at the end of our garden under the sycamore treee (melbourne) is expanding and expanding across the front lawn. Short of digging it up and my husband and I are not young anymore, can I poison this in some way - we have no animals, neither do the neighbours. I've had the same problem. Roundup/Zero had little effect on ivy. I did some research and the best way is to cut it back to about 30cm of stalk then paint with blackberry killer (available in hardware stores). You need to do this a couple of times as new leaves appear. Thank you Andrew, as I mentioned in an earlier post, I could get a young uni student in to do just that and then use the poison myself. Ruth. The problem is that it is cumulative. You dont know you are going to have a problem. Then it hits you. Its also claimed to be responsible for asthma. The chap next door got rid of his and ended up with months of treatment. If only roundup is available use it straight and add some detergent to try make it stick... blackbery killer sound good... |
Ivy prolific growth problem
On Sun, 14 May 2006 14:38:18 +1000, Jonno
wrote: Andrew Gabb wrote: Also note that ivy is a bit of a problem to work with, because it's a bit poisonous (not as much as poison ivy, but still a problem). So whoever does it should have skin covered, and wear a mask. I believe there can also be a bit of a problem with the smoke if burnt, but it composts OK if green. Andrew wrote: On Sun, 07 May 2006 23:31:23 +0930, Andrew Gabb wrote: wrote: I have just realised that the ivy growing at the end of our garden under the sycamore treee (melbourne) is expanding and expanding across the front lawn. Short of digging it up and my husband and I are not young anymore, can I poison this in some way - we have no animals, neither do the neighbours. I've had the same problem. Roundup/Zero had little effect on ivy. I did some research and the best way is to cut it back to about 30cm of stalk then paint with blackberry killer (available in hardware stores). You need to do this a couple of times as new leaves appear. Thank you Andrew, as I mentioned in an earlier post, I could get a young uni student in to do just that and then use the poison myself. Ruth. The problem is that it is cumulative. You dont know you are going to have a problem. Then it hits you. Its also claimed to be responsible for asthma. The chap next door got rid of his and ended up with months of treatment. If only roundup is available use it straight and add some detergent to try make it stick... blackbery killer sound good... Thanks again for the advice Andrew and Jonno. Cheers, Ruth. |
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