"Jonno" wrote in message
On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 20:29:25 +1100, "Farm1"
please@askifyouwannaknow

about steam driven. I made the comment at a lunch recently
about
saving something to my floppy and everyone fell about laughing.
I
didn't even know that floppys had been superceded. They still
work
for me, but it's just about time this poor old thing went to the
museum.

I'm concerned about sexual references by you. "Floppy" indeed
Exactly
how old are you?

I've heard that there is a product which will fix your fixation with
floppy - it's called Viagra. Let us know how you go with it.

"0tterbot" wrote in message

i know you've got an avowed set against city-folk g,

Not all of them, just most of them. Like most American, they just
don't get it.

but sydneysiders
subsidise a lot of country stuff.

Given the continual fall in services in the country, I'd be interested
to know what they are subsidising.

thanks ross,

almost missed this post, got the link saved looks very interesting.

how easily could our leaders save more wate than they can poke a stick
at hey??

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 02:24:22 GMT, Ross McKay
wrote:

snipped
With peace and brightest of blessings,

len

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

In article ,
"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote:

I stronly object to your cross posting. You may think my post had
something to do with a generational difference but I do not. It's
about attitudes to water and waste which is relevant in this ng but
not in my opinion to a family group where I did not post and do not
want to post.

If you want to post a rant of your own to a family group then do so,
but in future please do NOT use MY post to which you attach your rant.

I will try to remember that doing so offends you, and am sorry that you are
unhappy about being crossposted.

BUT -- if you post to Usenet, you are posting in a public forum (*). I
indicated that I had crossposted, and I included an attribution, which is
AFAIK all that is necessary. I don't think I have violated netiquette, but if
I have, please let me know which netiquette guide you are using so that I may
become better informed.

(*) So public that you are archived on Google Groups for web access too!

--
Chookie -- Sydney, Australia
(Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply)

"Parenthood is like the modern stone washing process for denim jeans. You may
start out crisp, neat and tough, but you end up pale, limp and wrinkled."
Kerry Cue

In article ,
gardenlen wrote:

no!! peer pressure and yuppieism and indoctrination into believeing
that these wastefull macmansion and all the trimmings are as good as
it gets. so us baby boomer as parent and grand-parents as well now are
battlers the common folk, the others are the psuedo neuvo rich yuppie
set, the real resource wasters, because money buys everything hey?
well got news for them they can't drink money as water nor can they
eat it as food.

So in general, your kids and the kids of your friends haven't bought back in
to the rat-race?

--
Chookie -- Sydney, Australia
(Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply)

"Parenthood is like the modern stone washing process for denim jeans. You may
start out crisp, neat and tough, but you end up pale, limp and wrinkled."
Kerry Cue

not sure chookie,

waht i mean is they are the way they are due to peer pressure not
because we where baby boomer parents who thought they should have
everything, quiet the opposite they developed all these wasteful ways
since leaving home, now we are trying to get them to think different
but not winning i tell you.

On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 18:22:11 +1100, Chookie
wrote:

snipped
With peace and brightest of blessings,

len

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

"Chookie" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"0tterbot" wrote:

it's an interesting theory - the only problem i can find with it is that
i
think it doesn't pan out in reality :-) i'd have to think about that more
to
be sure where i stand on it, but as a 36y.o. child of baby boomers (dh is
38
& also the child of boomers), it certainly doesn't work in our house, &
thinking of people i know, it doesn't seem to work there either.
snip
my parents were always broke when we were growing up - do you think that
might be the real key? privilege vs lack thereof?

Yes -- I was going to list the exceptions but didn't bother.

hm. tbh, i'm with jen on this - i think you're just being too general :-) it
would be fair to say that people who've known nothing but privilege tend
(perhaps) to parent a little differently, but to paint entire generations
with a broad brush is something that pretty much gets my goat. individuals
within an entire generation are simply far too different both in personality
and experience for that to work well.

For example,
Boomer-age migrants generally don't have the Boomer mindset

i really don't think there's one "boomer mindset" though. the boomers have
age-related similarities in many ways (just as every generation does) but i
can't handle the idea of a boomer mindset. they were the most privileged
generation australia has ever had (i don't think subsequent generations are
nearly so privileged - and by that i'm clearly not only talking about money,
but general advantage, access, and power) and that may make some difference
between them & the rest of us, but in the main i feel parenting style comes
down to so many factors that one's generation is quite possibly the least of
it.

So yes, if your Boomer parents were very poor, that's probably why you
don't think like that. They had better things to do than consider their
own
self-actualisation, or do I mean self-aggrandisement.

well, not really :-) my dad was pretty much into self-actualisation, and
that's how i became a child of divorce g. but seriously, these are two
people (my parents) with so little in common in every imaginable way that i
find it difficult to believe they were ever married (even though i was
there). yet, their upbringings were extremely similar (and similarly
modest), they're almost the same age, were born & raised only 30km apart,
etc etc etc. they're just totally different people who, then and now, behave
extraordinarily differently in every way including their parenting styles
(then and now) and, well, everything. my example of two doesn't negate your
point, but since we're talking about the children of boomers, it's not a bad
place to start. my dad is totally overindulgent to himself & others - so
when we were broke, we were the ones taking stuff back from the supermarket
checkout because he didn't have enough money to actually get everything we'd
asked for. if we'd been wealthy, i wonder what sort of angry, self-entitled
****** i'd be, according to your theory? g
kylie

"Jonno" wrote in message
...
Im just concerned that if storm water doesn't run out to sea the sharks
will go further upriver due to more salinity. That will cause some nasty
surprises. Sharks swim upriver underturd.

are you serious?
According to a certain ABC station. Fishing program.
Melbourne

i'm speculating, but even though stormwater is "a lot" (in terms of people
actually using it) it couldn't possibly be "a lot" in terms of the ocean. a
drop in it, i'd hazard ;-)

It looks like i mispelled agin.

i was wondering what an "underturd" is, but i thought i'd just not go there.
g (you're not talking about sewage outfall, by any chance? ;-)
kylie

"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message
...
"0tterbot" wrote in message

i know you've got an avowed set against city-folk g,

Not all of them, just most of them. Like most American, they just
don't get it.

but sydneysiders
subsidise a lot of country stuff.

Given the continual fall in services in the country, I'd be interested
to know what they are subsidising.

i'm wondering if the country EVER had good services, or if people remember
erroneously :-)

in nsw (as an example) there are 4 million city-folk & one million
country-folk. the one million take up a lot more space than the 4 million
do, but still have roads, schools, hospitals etc to consider. there's no way
on earth the one million are paying for the country stuff & the 4 million
paying for the city stuff because that would not be possible - it just
doesn't work that way.

in cities you get economies of scale (consider telstra cables, for example).
so the extra state & federal monies raised in cities but destined for
project whatever end up in the country too otherwise the country couldn't
afford anything at all :-). so we might help pay for their (cough)
desalinator, but they help pay for our roads, schools, hospitals, telstra
cable, etc.

tax funds for a state are for the whole state, not just some of it - yet
similarly spending for something in a state is paid for by the whole
state.
kylie

"0tterbot" wrote in message
...
"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message
...
"0tterbot" wrote in message

i know you've got an avowed set against city-folk g,

Not all of them, just most of them. Like most American, they just
don't get it.

but sydneysiders
subsidise a lot of country stuff.

Given the continual fall in services in the country, I'd be
interested
to know what they are subsidising.

i'm wondering if the country EVER had good services, or if people
remember
erroneously :-)

Doctors, hospitals and TAFEs are jsut 3 off the top of my head where I
know services have dropped in standard or failed to keep up.

in nsw (as an example) there are 4 million city-folk & one million
country-folk. the one million take up a lot more space than the 4
million
do, but still have roads, schools, hospitals etc to consider.
there's no way
on earth the one million are paying for the country stuff & the 4
million
paying for the city stuff because that would not be possible - it
just
doesn't work that way.

Roads are looked after by local rates UNLESS it is a major State
highway. Why do you think country roads are so shitty? Schools and
hospitals are fuunded from grant to the States from the Federal
Governement and much/most of this revenue is now raised from the GST.
Since the GST is a comsumption tax, then most rampant consumers are
the ones who pay. I guess you were thinking of city people being
those rampant consumers?

in cities you get economies of scale (consider telstra cables, for
example).
so the extra state & federal monies raised in cities but destined
for
project whatever end up in the country too otherwise the country
couldn't
afford anything at all :-). so we might help pay for their (cough)
desalinator, but they help pay for our roads, schools, hospitals,
telstra
cable, etc.

They don't pay for our roads, we do, unless it's deemed that there is
a Statewide or Natrionwide need for the road to be highway. They pay
for our schools and hospitals if they consume, otherwise they pay for
it in taxes just like the rest of us unless they are using social
services. So little Telstra improvement has not happened since the
first sale of shares that it doesn't count (and how dare the bloody
Feds sell something we owned anyway - *******s!).

But in addition to all that, there are strategic reasons why a vibrant
countryside is needed, but that philosphy has disapearred from the
thinging of any State or Federal Government over the past few decades.
Short term objectives only seem to be the goal - example: the Feds
ahve wasted the longest economic boom we've had in decades and done
nothing except aima t keeping themselves in powere - no infrastructure
spending and no long term planning or implementation - they're living
on the economic reforms set in place by Labor and yet claiming they've
done a great job economically.

tax funds for a state are for the whole state, not just some of it

Couldn't have put it better myself - shame they don"t think of that in
Macquarie St. I think that the WA and Qld governemtns might be better
at that than the NSW government.

- yet
similarly spending for something in a state is paid for by the
whole
state.
kylie

Farm1 wrote:
"Jonno" wrote in message
On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 20:29:25 +1100, "Farm1"
please@askifyouwannaknow

about steam driven. I made the comment at a lunch recently
about
saving something to my floppy and everyone fell about laughing.
I
didn't even know that floppys had been superceded. They still
work
for me, but it's just about time this poor old thing went to the
museum.

I'm concerned about sexual references by you. "Floppy" indeed
Exactly
how old are you?

I've heard that there is a product which will fix your fixation with
floppy - it's called Viagra. Let us know how you go with it.


Dont even start, every one else has got that email. Its the biggest
cause of spam yet.

Farm1 wrote:
"Jonno" wrote in message
On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 20:29:25 +1100, "Farm1"
please@askifyouwannaknow

about steam driven. I made the comment at a lunch recently
about
saving something to my floppy and everyone fell about laughing.
I
didn't even know that floppys had been superceded. They still
work
for me, but it's just about time this poor old thing went to the
museum.

I'm concerned about sexual references by you. "Floppy" indeed
Exactly
how old are you?

I've heard that there is a product which will fix your fixation with
floppy - it's called Viagra. Let us know how you go with it.


Dont even start, every one else has got that email. Its the biggest
cause of spam yet.

"Jonno" wrote in message
...
Farm1 wrote:

I've heard that there is a product which will fix your fixation with
floppy - it's called Viagra. Let us know how you go with it.


Dont even start, every one else has got that email. Its the biggest cause
of spam yet.

biggest? it's not supposed to make bigger spam, it's supposed to...
oh never mind.
kylie

"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message
...
i'm wondering if the country EVER had good services, or if people
remember
erroneously :-)

Doctors, hospitals and TAFEs are jsut 3 off the top of my head where I
know services have dropped in standard or failed to keep up.

the federal liberal (sic) party is killing tafe. remember that at voting
time!

Roads are looked after by local rates UNLESS it is a major State
highway.

well, yeah.

Why do you think country roads are so shitty? Schools and
hospitals are fuunded from grant to the States from the Federal
Governement and much/most of this revenue is now raised from the GST.
Since the GST is a comsumption tax, then most rampant consumers are
the ones who pay. I guess you were thinking of city people being
those rampant consumers?

well not necessarily - based on sheer numbers it's purely a fact that they
contribute (slightly more than) 4/5 of state revenue in nsw. there's
actually many more taxes and similar than gst. gst did away with precisely
one (1) that i know of, although undoubtedly there were a few more that i
don't know of. (it's nowhere near as "efficient" etc as was touted - it's a
mess :-)

and i say "slightly more than" due to (generally) higher wages & higher
employment in syd-er-nee.

They don't pay for our roads, we do, unless it's deemed that there is
a Statewide or Natrionwide need for the road to be highway. They pay
for our schools and hospitals if they consume, otherwise they pay for
it in taxes just like the rest of us unless they are using social
services. So little Telstra improvement has not happened since the
first sale of shares that it doesn't count (and how dare the bloody
Feds sell something we owned anyway - *******s!).

damned straight! and remember that at voting time, too ;-)

But in addition to all that, there are strategic reasons why a vibrant
countryside is needed, but that philosphy has disapearred from the
thinging of any State or Federal Government over the past few decades.

i agree. except himself with the flappy lips who pays flappy-lip service to
the idea (seeing as how they're in a coalition with the nats).

Short term objectives only seem to be the goal - example: the Feds
ahve wasted the longest economic boom we've had in decades and done
nothing except aima t keeping themselves in powere - no infrastructure
spending and no long term planning or implementation - they're living
on the economic reforms set in place by Labor and yet claiming they've
done a great job economically.

preach it, farm!!!!!!

tax funds for a state are for the whole state, not just some of it

Couldn't have put it better myself - shame they don"t think of that in
Macquarie St. I think that the WA and Qld governemtns might be better
at that than the NSW government.

i think a roomful of angry one-legged budgies would achieve more than the
nsw govt, but perhaps that's just me.
kylie

"Jonno" wrote in message
Farm1 wrote:
"Jonno" wrote in message
On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 20:29:25 +1100, "Farm1"
please@askifyouwannaknow

about steam driven. I made the comment at a lunch recently
about
saving something to my floppy and everyone fell about
laughing.
I
didn't even know that floppys had been superceded. They still
work
for me, but it's just about time this poor old thing went to
the
museum.

I'm concerned about sexual references by you. "Floppy" indeed
Exactly
how old are you?

I've heard that there is a product which will fix your fixation
with
floppy - it's called Viagra. Let us know how you go with it.


Dont even start, every one else has got that email. Its the biggest
cause of spam yet.

???? Eh? This is an example of the sort of thing I don't understand
in many of your posts. You must know what you're referring to, but I
haven't got a clue. It's like you're using a mental shorthand that I
could pick up if I saw you face to face and could query you on it, but
since it drops onto my screen in a virtual vacuum, I'm lost. In
another post to Len you said that you teach people to be "clear and
concise", but the brevity of your posts may meet the conciseness
criteria but not the clear criteria at all. To know what email you're
referring to and what spam, I'd have to have received the email and
the spam and I haven't received either.