"0tterbot" wrote in message
"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message

Doctors, hospitals and TAFEs are jsut 3 off the top of my head
where I
know services have dropped in standard or failed to keep up.

the federal liberal (sic) party is killing tafe. remember that at
voting
time!

Howard lost me totally and irretreivably over the Tampa. In a matter
of weeks he took us from the incredible euphoria as a Nation of "We
CAN take on the world and WIN" following the Olympics to a cringing
and scared "THEY are coming to get us" nation. If he'd had any vision
or talent as a real leader he would have used that euphoirc feeling to
take us forward but he took the low road and turned us backwards and
all in the name of winning an election to keep him and his cohorts in
power.

He has no real vision or leadership talent at all, but having said
that, the man is probably the BEST politician this country has ever
seen. That is NOT a compliment, but I can't recall anyone who can
fool most of the people most of the time like he can. That ability is
what being a politician is all about. Politicians govern for
themselves and to keep themselves in power and they try to fool us
that they are doing it for us. It's a rare politician who does have
ethics or morals - there are a few I know (even some Liberals) but
they aren't part of the clique.

And the really sad thing about this current government is that their
dirty tricks (which most Australians are incredibly ignorant about)
will have now been learned by Labor, so they might do the same thing
when they get into power. Things like politicis\ing the public
service (check out what's happened with Howards new appointee to the
"independent" Electoral Commission!!!!), changind electoral
boundaries, changidg how things such as unemployment stats and the
shopping basket for the CPI etc are counted. The dirty tricks jsut go
on and on. But it fools most Australians and they are complacently
happy so I guess that is what it's all about. Sigh!

And all that without even thinking of their record of "achievement"!
The lie that REALLY gives me the poops is the one about "the lowest
unemployment in 30 years" - absolute ********! I went back to the
time they made changes to how they counted the figures and the Social
Security changes that went with it and read the papers form that
time - took me a few trips to the library, I can tell you! All they
did was shuffle people off to other forms of counting them for Social
Security so they either wouldn't appear any more in the umemployment
stats, or, if they worked for an hour a week they were condsidered to
be 'employed'. One would have to be a Barrister or a QC to live on
the money from one hours work a week.

And not a peep from the media. Don't these *******s do any research
any more? If I can do it so can they. Must not suit the media owners
to expose the lie.

Roads are looked after by local rates UNLESS it is a major State
highway.

well, yeah.

Why do you think country roads are so shitty? Schools and
hospitals are fuunded from grant to the States from the Federal
Governement and much/most of this revenue is now raised from the
GST.
Since the GST is a comsumption tax, then most rampant consumers
are
the ones who pay. I guess you were thinking of city people being
those rampant consumers?

well not necessarily -

I know, I did have my tongue in my cheek when I wrote that.

based on sheer numbers it's purely a fact that they
contribute (slightly more than) 4/5 of state revenue in nsw. there's
actually many more taxes and similar than gst. gst did away with
precisely
one (1) that i know of, although undoubtedly there were a few more
that i
don't know of. (it's nowhere near as "efficient" etc as was touted -
it's a
mess :-)

It did away with many and it was SUPPOSEFD to do away with many more -
that is part of the ongoing barny between the Sates and the Feds on
State taxes. Costello has been arguing with the States on this issue
for eyars. The stupid Feds introduced the GST on a promise from the
States that they'd do away with many of the other State taxes, but of
course they got the cake before they had to act and now they are
eating it too.

"Jeßus" wrote in message
newsan.2007.01.08.22.51.23.284712@anunnakis@area 51.org...
Just out of interest, what are the cons of desalination plants? To me they
seem like a good idea - not necessarily a total solution in of itself by
any means - but still a good idea IMO. That said, I'm not up to speed on
what (if any) real debate has been on this issue.

the main problem is energy use, both in construction and utilisation.
clearly, you can't get salt out of water without using a great deal of
energy to do so, and at considerable expense. so while it "solves" one
problem ("not enough" fresh water), it merrily creates another (excess
energy use leading to more emissions, etc etc). like overusing aircon, the
perceived solution contributes to perpetuating the problem.

I think they should recycle as much water as possible too. Perhaps not
exactly a palatable idea for Sydneysiders, but frankly, too bad for them.
They want to live there (and the more that do the better IMO!)then they're
going to have to cop some more compromises instead of expecting everyone
else in the state to wear the same problems.

what annoys me almost beyond endurance, is that ALL water IS recycled
already! the precipitation cycle goes round & round - it doesn't stop when
you flush the toilet & starts again in the sky! every drop we drink has been
through people, animals, plants, gone in the sea, flowed down rivers, been
poo, been wee, been rain, been snow, been in dead bodies before it leached
out back into the soil, etc etc. for goodness sake, drinking something
that's been through a few toilets before it was filtered is nothing compared
to where it's been in all the rest of its cycle!

and bearing this in mind, i agree with you - too bad for them :-) since ALL
water has always been recycled, creating an efficient system for purifying
sewage, stormwater, etc to potable quality & redirecting it back into the
supply is merely doing the same thing on a small scale that nature does on a
large one.
kylie

Most "spam" is regarding Viagra. spam Unsolicited email....
"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message
...
"Jonno" wrote in message
Farm1 wrote:
"Jonno" wrote in message
On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 20:29:25 +1100, "Farm1"
please@askifyouwannaknow

about steam driven. I made the comment at a lunch recently
about
saving something to my floppy and everyone fell about
laughing.
I
didn't even know that floppys had been superceded. They still
work
for me, but it's just about time this poor old thing went to
the
museum.

I'm concerned about sexual references by you. "Floppy" indeed
Exactly
how old are you?

I've heard that there is a product which will fix your fixation
with
floppy - it's called Viagra. Let us know how you go with it.


Dont even start, every one else has got that email. Its the biggest
cause of spam yet.

???? Eh? This is an example of the sort of thing I don't understand
in many of your posts. You must know what you're referring to, but I
haven't got a clue. It's like you're using a mental shorthand that I
could pick up if I saw you face to face and could query you on it, but
since it drops onto my screen in a virtual vacuum, I'm lost. In
another post to Len you said that you teach people to be "clear and
concise", but the brevity of your posts may meet the conciseness
criteria but not the clear criteria at all. To know what email you're
referring to and what spam, I'd have to have received the email and
the spam and I haven't received either.

"0tterbot" wrote in message
...
"Jonno" wrote in message
...
Farm1 wrote:

I've heard that there is a product which will fix your fixation with
floppy - it's called Viagra. Let us know how you go with it.


Dont even start, every one else has got that email. Its the biggest cause
of spam yet.

biggest? it's not supposed to make bigger spam, it's supposed to...
oh never mind.
kylie


Lmao...evil, kylie, evil. Who's going to clean the tea off my monitor now?

"Jonno" wrote in message
Most "spam" is regarding Viagra. spam Unsolicited email....

??? The spam I've had is all about buying junk shares. I've not had
any for viagra.

"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message
...
"Jonno" wrote in message
Farm1 wrote:
"Jonno" wrote in message
On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 20:29:25 +1100, "Farm1"
please@askifyouwannaknow

about steam driven. I made the comment at a lunch recently
about
saving something to my floppy and everyone fell about
laughing.
I
didn't even know that floppys had been superceded. They
still
work
for me, but it's just about time this poor old thing went
to
the
museum.

I'm concerned about sexual references by you. "Floppy" indeed
Exactly
how old are you?

I've heard that there is a product which will fix your fixation
with
floppy - it's called Viagra. Let us know how you go with it.


Dont even start, every one else has got that email. Its the
biggest
cause of spam yet.

???? Eh? This is an example of the sort of thing I don't
understand
in many of your posts. You must know what you're referring to,
but I
haven't got a clue. It's like you're using a mental shorthand
that I
could pick up if I saw you face to face and could query you on it,
but
since it drops onto my screen in a virtual vacuum, I'm lost. In
another post to Len you said that you teach people to be "clear
and
concise", but the brevity of your posts may meet the conciseness
criteria but not the clear criteria at all. To know what email
you're
referring to and what spam, I'd have to have received the email
and
the spam and I haven't received either.

"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message
...
stuff

so basically this morning, i wrote a reply here to the effect of applause,
but then my little son turned the telly on after being told he was not
allowed, and turning the telly on while the pooty is on makes the pooty go
bung, and i lost it & i'm not writing it again. :-)
(and little ds was _definitely_ not allowed to watch telly after all those
shenanigans.)
kylie

"Jeßus" wrote in message
newsan.2007.01.08.22.40.50.508923@anunnakis@area 51.org...
I fully understand your feelings on this matter.
There is no logic to any of this at all!

Another illogical rule is not being able to wash the car with a hose...
but using a bucket is just fine ?! Now you tell me - which method
allows better control (and therefore far less water) over rinsing your car
- chucking buckets of water over it, or using a hose?

i know!!! trigger hoses are amazing, but you're supposed to use buckets?!

As you say, the real water wasters out there are still just fine and
dandy, they can still waste as much as they like under the shower, washing
machine, etc. If they were at all serious, they would monitor *overall*
usage per household.

Ah well, a few more months of this crap for me and then I should be moving
elsewhere, where this problem should never be an issue...

will you have your own water?

digger's club is getting very antsy about people not being allowed to water
their veg (i got a new catalogue this morning & they're getting nutty about
it). it makes me very cross to think about.
kylie

Yes well it is theri business and they stand to loose alot of money due to
lack of customers. I cant see why they dont allow vegie gardent to be
watered.

"0tterbot" wrote in message
...
"Jeßus" wrote in message
newsan.2007.01.08.22.40.50.508923@anunnakis@area 51.org...
I fully understand your feelings on this matter.
There is no logic to any of this at all!

Another illogical rule is not being able to wash the car with a hose...
but using a bucket is just fine ?! Now you tell me - which method
allows better control (and therefore far less water) over rinsing your
car
- chucking buckets of water over it, or using a hose?

i know!!! trigger hoses are amazing, but you're supposed to use buckets?!

As you say, the real water wasters out there are still just fine and
dandy, they can still waste as much as they like under the shower,
washing
machine, etc. If they were at all serious, they would monitor *overall*
usage per household.

Ah well, a few more months of this crap for me and then I should be
moving
elsewhere, where this problem should never be an issue...

will you have your own water?

digger's club is getting very antsy about people not being allowed to
water their veg (i got a new catalogue this morning & they're getting
nutty about it). it makes me very cross to think about.
kylie

0tterbot wrote:
"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message
...
stuff

so basically this morning, i wrote a reply here to the effect of applause,
but then my little son turned the telly on after being told he was not
allowed, and turning the telly on while the pooty is on makes the pooty go
bung, and i lost it & i'm not writing it again. :-)
(and little ds was _definitely_ not allowed to watch telly after all those
shenanigans.)
kylie

Er Puty og bunf wen telly switch on.
Plug it in away from the Telly, that is, remover power from that socket
get it elsewhere.
Unless u r using a generator.

0tterbot wrote:
"Jonno" wrote in message
...

Im just concerned that if storm water doesn't run out to sea the sharks
will go further upriver due to more salinity. That will cause some nasty
surprises. Sharks swim upriver underturd.

are you serious?

According to a certain ABC station. Fishing program.
Melbourne


i'm speculating, but even though stormwater is "a lot" (in terms of people
actually using it) it couldn't possibly be "a lot" in terms of the ocean. a
drop in it, i'd hazard ;-)


It looks like i mispelled agin.


i was wondering what an "underturd" is, but i thought i'd just not go there.
g (you're not talking about sewage outfall, by any chance? ;-)
kylie


Darn "undeterred" was what I meant to write... Took me a while to get
the right spelling. We used the other more. Its the company I keep. At
this rate it will have to go under.... The company I mean.

In article ,
Stuart Naylor wrote:

People who respond to the thread " i wrote... NOW X-POSTED" have a
choice *now* whether to cross post, but "Farm1" didn't have that
choice because you indicated that you had cross posted after quoting
the post by "Farm1".

Again, please indicate where this is considered a breach of netiquette.

--
Chookie -- Sydney, Australia
(Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply)

"Parenthood is like the modern stone washing process for denim jeans. You may
start out crisp, neat and tough, but you end up pale, limp and wrinkled."
Kerry Cue

In article rg,
Jeßus wrote:

Just out of interest, what are the cons of desalination plants? To me they
seem like a good idea - not necessarily a total solution in of itself by
any means - but still a good idea IMO. That said, I'm not up to speed on
what (if any) real debate has been on this issue.

Apart from the energy expense there is the damage to the ocean environment
caused by slurping in water at a particular point and expelling extremely
salty water somewhere else.

I think they should recycle as much water as possible too. Perhaps not
exactly a palatable idea for Sydneysiders, but frankly, too bad for them.

Some parts of Sydney actually use recycled water, you know!

Only the occasional moron pops up -- they had someone write into the Herald
last week who didn't like the idea of water that had been in close contact
with Nasty Stuff (presumably he thinks no animals poo and piddle in the
Warragamba catchment!). He has been hung out to dry by everyone else.

They want to live there (and the more that do the better IMO!)then they're
going to have to cop some more compromises instead of expecting everyone
else in the state to wear the same problems.

Which "same problems" are you talking about? Much as I would like to, I don't
think that we can share the peak hour traffic around the state, nor the
derros, nor the aircraft noise, nor even Frank Sartor. Pity.

--
Chookie -- Sydney, Australia
(Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply)

"Parenthood is like the modern stone washing process for denim jeans. You may
start out crisp, neat and tough, but you end up pale, limp and wrinkled."
Kerry Cue

In article ,
"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote:

Doctors, hospitals and TAFEs are jsut 3 off the top of my head where I
know services have dropped in standard or failed to keep up.

Unfortunately that is across the state. TAFE lost a huge percentage of its
workforce in cutbacks a few years ago. Then they decentralised it in order to
save more money. Let's see how many years pass before they recentralise to
save more money.

I can't really complain about hospitals as my little local hospy is now going
to be rebuilt (the locals fought for years to keep it from being closed, and
now urban consolidation has rendered it necessary), and Westmead is also being
refurbished.

Short term objectives only seem to be the goal - example: the Feds
ahve wasted the longest economic boom we've had in decades and done
nothing except aima t keeping themselves in powere - no infrastructure
spending and no long term planning or implementation - they're living
on the economic reforms set in place by Labor and yet claiming they've
done a great job economically.

Couldn't agree more. The next recession will be a very ugly one.

--
Chookie -- Sydney, Australia
(Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply)

"Parenthood is like the modern stone washing process for denim jeans. You may
start out crisp, neat and tough, but you end up pale, limp and wrinkled."
Kerry Cue

"Chookie" wrote in
"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote:

Doctors, hospitals and TAFEs are jsut 3 off the top of my head
where I
know services have dropped in standard or failed to keep up.

Unfortunately that is across the state. TAFE lost a huge percentage
of its
workforce in cutbacks a few years ago. Then they decentralised it
in order to
save more money. Let's see how many years pass before they
recentralise to
save more money.

The other thing that I've noticed with TAFEs is that the trend in what
they are offering seems to be downward. By that I mean that it seems
to be more about lifestyle stuff than the good solid old education
they used to offer. That may just be the locally available stuff but
I canstantly keep thinking it's fluff when I look at the courses on
offer.

Short term objectives only seem to be the goal - example: the Feds
ahve wasted the longest economic boom we've had in decades and
done
nothing except aima t keeping themselves in powere - no
infrastructure
spending and no long term planning or implementation - they're
living
on the economic reforms set in place by Labor and yet claiming
they've
done a great job economically.

Couldn't agree more. The next recession will be a very ugly one.

Yes and I suspect it isn't all that far off if one looks at things
like the stats on mortgage defaults etc. Add to that the drought and
rising costs associated with that and things are not going to improve
too qucikly.

Chookie wrote:
In article rg,
Jeßus wrote:


Just out of interest, what are the cons of desalination plants? To me they
seem like a good idea - not necessarily a total solution in of itself by
any means - but still a good idea IMO. That said, I'm not up to speed on
what (if any) real debate has been on this issue.


Apart from the energy expense there is the damage to the ocean environment
caused by slurping in water at a particular point and expelling extremely
salty water somewhere else.
The situation of slurping is not a problem, millions /Billions of litres
are removed by the sun each day.
by evaporation of salty water, the issue of very salty water being
pumped back could be easily solved, as the by product called salt is in
demand. I'm sure that various salt producers would be only to happy to
co operate in obtaining this waste product.
I think they should recycle as much water as possible too. Perhaps not
exactly a palatable idea for Sydneysiders, but frankly, too bad for them.
We will drink anything once we are thirsty.
Just need some eduction on where to use the worst of it.


Some parts of Sydney actually use recycled water, you know!

And recycled pollies.


Only the occasional moron pops up -- they had someone write into the Herald
last week who didn't like the idea of water that had been in close contact
with Nasty Stuff (presumably he thinks no animals poo and piddle in the
Warragamba catchment!). He has been hung out to dry by everyone else.

Of course they do, you dont expect them to hold it in do you?
Its parts per million that determines suitability for drinking water.
Besides the catchments purify the water every km or so, so its still
great for drinking.
I do know that some people like that little extra in their drinking
water. Now I know what it is

They want to live there (and the more that do the better IMO!)then they're
going to have to cop some more compromises instead of expecting everyone
else in the state to wear the same problems.


Which "same problems" are you talking about? Much as I would like to, I don't
think that we can share the peak hour traffic around the state, nor the
derros, nor the aircraft noise, nor even Frank Sartor. Pity.