Extremely hard, dry compacted lawn - what to do??
Hi all
I live in Beenleigh Qld. I have what was once a lawn in the front of my house - now it is a completely dead, very hard, dry, compacted soil surface. I have noticed that when we have gotten some rain over the past couple of years, what grass was still alive greened up a little but never actually grew. It seems to me that a complete renovation of the soil is needed to take advantage of any rain that may eventually come our way. I read somewhere that you should be able to hand force a screwdriver 3 inches into a lawn . Well, I can't penetrate my ground even one inch with a screwdriver. It is not rocky - just very hard clay. I have been considering renting a machine lawn corer - but I suspect that the machine would not actually be able to core this ground. Short of using dynamite - does anybody have any suggestions as to what I could do with this ground to make it even a little bit desirable for grass seed to grow when/if the rains come? Would a rotary hoe turn it? If so, what should I do with the broken ground then? Dolomite, fertilizer?? I have an area of around 300 square meters that needs help. Thanks for any advice from any who have faced a similar situation. Barry |
Extremely hard, dry compacted lawn - what to do??
g'day barry,
not into resource wastefull lawns as such but i hear your plight, apart from suggest turn a lot more of it into efficient gardens??!! a coring machine would likely do the job might take a bit, as they generally are used on sandier mediums ie.,. lawn bowls greens. anyhow back to your um lawn, i would spread a very good layer of gypsum over the whole area and get a good sandy loam type top soil and top dress with that, would also suggest throwing some el-cheepo lawn seed around so you get some growth to hold it all together until the grass that is there springs back a not too heavy cover of that fine sugar cane mulch will help hold a bit of moisture. before laying the gypsum maybe give the area a good water with your grey water a bit of detergent could help the clay hold water better. about all i can suggest if you need hands on?? me i'd just wait for the wet season to come and whatever green grows back let it be, reckon in our drier conditions you could do worse than let the lotinomus, wynn-cassia and clovers grow as ground cover/lawn at least they are all soil improvers and very hardy. On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 14:47:12 +1000, Barry Ward wrote: snipped With peace and brightest of blessings, len & bev -- "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.lensgarden.com.au/ |
Extremely hard, dry compacted lawn - what to do??
"Barry Ward" wrote in message
... Hi all I live in Beenleigh Qld. I have what was once a lawn in the front of my house - now it is a completely dead, very hard, dry, compacted soil surface. I have noticed that when we have gotten some rain over the past couple of years, what grass was still alive greened up a little but never actually grew. It seems to me that a complete renovation of the soil is needed to take advantage of any rain that may eventually come our way. I read somewhere that you should be able to hand force a screwdriver 3 inches into a lawn . Well, I can't penetrate my ground even one inch with a screwdriver. It is not rocky - just very hard clay. I have been considering renting a machine lawn corer - but I suspect that the machine would not actually be able to core this ground. Short of using dynamite - does anybody have any suggestions as to what I could do with this ground to make it even a little bit desirable for grass seed to grow when/if the rains come? Would a rotary hoe turn it? If so, what should I do with the broken ground then? Dolomite, fertilizer?? I have an area of around 300 square meters that needs help. Thanks for any advice from any who have faced a similar situation. Barry i think you need to get LOTS of water in there before you can do anything about it! machinery won't work on rock-hard ground, and nothing else is going to be effective if the soil is so hard & dry either. after that, you can begin aerating (which sounds very necessary) & adding organic matter & anything needed to balance the soil and encourage what it is you want growing there. use water on it gradually to soften it up. only water to pooling/run off each time, then start again the next day. this might take weeks, but that is all right, because you can use that time to think about if you want another grass lawn or if something else is a better idea (one suspects the latter ;-) something like dichondra, or even a very tough grass or perhaps a herb lawn (e.g. thyme), might be a better idea than traditional "lawn". (expanding the beds around the lawn is also a good idea, but that's not exactly what you asked ;-) like len said, use grey water. we use our washing machine water on the garden, & this way we have a lot available & it gets used twice (sometimes 3 times if we had a shower in it first g) but do think about it. i haven't got a problem with lawn (particularly since they're so happy with grey water) because some of them can be really good (even if falling out of favour lately), BUT, there really isn't a point to it at all if it's just going to die. choose something that can still live and look good in the conditions that you have. kylie |
Extremely hard, dry compacted lawn - what to do??
"0tterbot" wrote in message ... "Barry Ward" wrote in message ... Hi all I live in Beenleigh Qld. I have what was once a lawn in the front of my house - now it is a completely dead, very hard, dry, compacted soil surface. I have noticed that when we have gotten some rain over the past couple of years, what grass was still alive greened up a little but never actually grew. It seems to me that a complete renovation of the soil is needed to take advantage of any rain that may eventually come our way. I read somewhere that you should be able to hand force a screwdriver 3 inches into a lawn . Well, I can't penetrate my ground even one inch with a screwdriver. It is not rocky - just very hard clay. I have been considering renting a machine lawn corer - but I suspect that the machine would not actually be able to core this ground. Short of using dynamite - does anybody have any suggestions as to what I could do with this ground to make it even a little bit desirable for grass seed to grow when/if the rains come? Would a rotary hoe turn it? If so, what should I do with the broken ground then? Dolomite, fertilizer?? I have an area of around 300 square meters that needs help. Thanks for any advice from any who have faced a similar situation. Barry i think you need to get LOTS of water in there before you can do anything about it! machinery won't work on rock-hard ground, and nothing else is going to be effective if the soil is so hard & dry either. after that, you can begin aerating (which sounds very necessary) & adding organic matter & anything needed to balance the soil and encourage what it is you want growing there. use water on it gradually to soften it up. only water to pooling/run off each time, then start again the next day. this might take weeks, but that is all right, because you can use that time to think about if you want another grass lawn or if something else is a better idea (one suspects the latter ;-) something like dichondra, or even a very tough grass or perhaps a herb lawn (e.g. thyme), might be a better idea than traditional "lawn". (expanding the beds around the lawn is also a good idea, but that's not exactly what you asked ;-) like len said, use grey water. we use our washing machine water on the garden, & this way we have a lot available & it gets used twice (sometimes 3 times if we had a shower in it first g) but do think about it. i haven't got a problem with lawn (particularly since they're so happy with grey water) because some of them can be really good (even if falling out of favour lately), BUT, there really isn't a point to it at all if it's just going to die. choose something that can still live and look good in the conditions that you have. kylie Paint it green |
Extremely hard, dry compacted lawn - what to do??
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"0tterbot" wrote in message ... "Barry Ward" wrote in message ... Hi all I live in Beenleigh Qld. I have what was once a lawn in the front of my house - now it is a completely dead, very hard, dry, compacted soil surface. I have noticed that when we have gotten some rain over the past couple of years, what grass was still alive greened up a little but never actually grew. It seems to me that a complete renovation of the soil is needed to take advantage of any rain that may eventually come our way. I read somewhere that you should be able to hand force a screwdriver 3 inches into a lawn . Well, I can't penetrate my ground even one inch with a screwdriver. It is not rocky - just very hard clay. I have been considering renting a machine lawn corer - but I suspect that the machine would not actually be able to core this ground. Short of using dynamite - does anybody have any suggestions as to what I could do with this ground to make it even a little bit desirable for grass seed to grow when/if the rains come? Would a rotary hoe turn it? If so, what should I do with the broken ground then? Dolomite, fertilizer?? I have an area of around 300 square meters that needs help. Thanks for any advice from any who have faced a similar situation. Barry i think you need to get LOTS of water in there before you can do anything about it! machinery won't work on rock-hard ground, and nothing else is going to be effective if the soil is so hard & dry either. after that, you can begin aerating (which sounds very necessary) & adding organic matter & anything needed to balance the soil and encourage what it is you want growing there. use water on it gradually to soften it up. only water to pooling/run off each time, then start again the next day. this might take weeks, but that is all right, because you can use that time to think about if you want another grass lawn or if something else is a better idea (one suspects the latter ;-) something like dichondra, or even a very tough grass or perhaps a herb lawn (e.g. thyme), might be a better idea than traditional "lawn". (expanding the beds around the lawn is also a good idea, but that's not exactly what you asked ;-) like len said, use grey water. we use our washing machine water on the garden, & this way we have a lot available & it gets used twice (sometimes 3 times if we had a shower in it first g) but do think about it. i haven't got a problem with lawn (particularly since they're so happy with grey water) because some of them can be really good (even if falling out of favour lately), BUT, there really isn't a point to it at all if it's just going to die. choose something that can still live and look good in the conditions that you have. kylie Paint it green Concrete it first! Italians do it better! |
Extremely hard, dry compacted lawn - what to do??
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Thanks for any advice from any who have faced a similar situation. Mulch it. |
Extremely hard, dry compacted lawn - what to do??
I'd go the grey water. lawns love it. The easiest way if you lawn is
lower than your washing machine is to drop the hose to the floor (with appropriate extension to reach out to the yard) and let it run. Change spots each time. Some machines won't fill up again unless you raise the hose again. Otherwise a small pump from bath or laundry tub. Doesn't matter if it's slow, probably better for absorbtion that way anyway. Getting grey water onto it will improve it quite quickly. The main question, really, is just how patient are you? Do you really want it improved fast? You'll need to go the major reconstruction route for that. But maybe you like those sorts of projects? If you'd rather be patient and do less work you would use the grey water to get it growing and then when you mow cut it at the mowers highest level. Don't worry if it looks uneven at first. As the lawn improves it will all grow up to the same height. A long lawn looks particulary lush anyway. Wonderful to walk on. The advantages are that longer grass will produce a longer root system and that will help in all weather conditions. Longer roots also help the soil structure. And longer grass tend to stop lots of lawn weeds from growing. The next thing is to leave the grass cutting on the lawn every second cutting. (I hear gasps!) If you have a 'mulching mower' it looks neater because it spreads them more evenly. I don't worry about appearance so I leave them a bit clumpy. Or you can take a rake to the clumps to spread them. The advantage is the grass clippings rot back into the soil feeding the growing grass and improving the soil. Using this method I've managed to get a piece of dry dead ground from so bad it had inch wide cracks in it to lush lawn. It was substantially green in less than a year and lush in less than two. I didn't feed it except the clippings. No dolomite or anything else. Grey water, high cutting, and leave the clippings down every second go. good luck j Barry Ward wrote: Hi all I live in Beenleigh Qld. I have what was once a lawn in the front of my house - now it is a completely dead, very hard, dry, compacted soil surface. I have noticed that when we have gotten some rain over the past couple of years, what grass was still alive greened up a little but never actually grew. It seems to me that a complete renovation of the soil is needed to take advantage of any rain that may eventually come our way. I read somewhere that you should be able to hand force a screwdriver 3 inches into a lawn . Well, I can't penetrate my ground even one inch with a screwdriver. It is not rocky - just very hard clay. I have been considering renting a machine lawn corer - but I suspect that the machine would not actually be able to core this ground. Short of using dynamite - does anybody have any suggestions as to what I could do with this ground to make it even a little bit desirable for grass seed to grow when/if the rains come? Would a rotary hoe turn it? If so, what should I do with the broken ground then? Dolomite, fertilizer?? I have an area of around 300 square meters that needs help. Thanks for any advice from any who have faced a similar situation. Barry |
Extremely hard, dry compacted lawn - what to do??
Wait for some solid rain first.
No point starting something that may take enormous effort, then have it die. A garden should be a pleasure to look after, not an uphill battle against the elements none wrote: I'd go the grey water. lawns love it. The easiest way if you lawn is lower than your washing machine is to drop the hose to the floor (with appropriate extension to reach out to the yard) and let it run. Change spots each time. Some machines won't fill up again unless you raise the hose again. Otherwise a small pump from bath or laundry tub. Doesn't matter if it's slow, probably better for absorbtion that way anyway. Getting grey water onto it will improve it quite quickly. The main question, really, is just how patient are you? Do you really want it improved fast? You'll need to go the major reconstruction route for that. But maybe you like those sorts of projects? If you'd rather be patient and do less work you would use the grey water to get it growing and then when you mow cut it at the mowers highest level. Don't worry if it looks uneven at first. As the lawn improves it will all grow up to the same height. A long lawn looks particulary lush anyway. Wonderful to walk on. The advantages are that longer grass will produce a longer root system and that will help in all weather conditions. Longer roots also help the soil structure. And longer grass tend to stop lots of lawn weeds from growing. The next thing is to leave the grass cutting on the lawn every second cutting. (I hear gasps!) If you have a 'mulching mower' it looks neater because it spreads them more evenly. I don't worry about appearance so I leave them a bit clumpy. Or you can take a rake to the clumps to spread them. The advantage is the grass clippings rot back into the soil feeding the growing grass and improving the soil. Using this method I've managed to get a piece of dry dead ground from so bad it had inch wide cracks in it to lush lawn. It was substantially green in less than a year and lush in less than two. I didn't feed it except the clippings. No dolomite or anything else. Grey water, high cutting, and leave the clippings down every second go. good luck j Barry Ward wrote: Hi all I live in Beenleigh Qld. I have what was once a lawn in the front of my house - now it is a completely dead, very hard, dry, compacted soil surface. I have noticed that when we have gotten some rain over the past couple of years, what grass was still alive greened up a little but never actually grew. It seems to me that a complete renovation of the soil is needed to take advantage of any rain that may eventually come our way. I read somewhere that you should be able to hand force a screwdriver 3 inches into a lawn . Well, I can't penetrate my ground even one inch with a screwdriver. It is not rocky - just very hard clay. I have been considering renting a machine lawn corer - but I suspect that the machine would not actually be able to core this ground. Short of using dynamite - does anybody have any suggestions as to what I could do with this ground to make it even a little bit desirable for grass seed to grow when/if the rains come? Would a rotary hoe turn it? If so, what should I do with the broken ground then? Dolomite, fertilizer?? I have an area of around 300 square meters that needs help. Thanks for any advice from any who have faced a similar situation. Barry |
Extremely hard, dry compacted lawn - what to do??
I love the job rotary hoes do :-) We converted a similar sounding area in
Perth into a nice garden by going over with an industrial strength rotary hoe, then piling on gypsum, another run with the hoe, then chaff and cow manure followed by another run - then just for good measure a couple of inches of sand and none more run with the hoe. But as Kylie says you need to soften the clay a bit first or it will be a very painful job on the end of the machine :-) Best of luck - but grow something that needs less water . Geoff "0tterbot" wrote in message ... "Barry Ward" wrote in message ... Hi all I live in Beenleigh Qld. I have what was once a lawn in the front of my house - now it is a completely dead, very hard, dry, compacted soil surface. I have noticed that when we have gotten some rain over the past couple of years, what grass was still alive greened up a little but never actually grew. It seems to me that a complete renovation of the soil is needed to take advantage of any rain that may eventually come our way. I read somewhere that you should be able to hand force a screwdriver 3 inches into a lawn . Well, I can't penetrate my ground even one inch with a screwdriver. It is not rocky - just very hard clay. I have been considering renting a machine lawn corer - but I suspect that the machine would not actually be able to core this ground. Short of using dynamite - does anybody have any suggestions as to what I could do with this ground to make it even a little bit desirable for grass seed to grow when/if the rains come? Would a rotary hoe turn it? If so, what should I do with the broken ground then? Dolomite, fertilizer?? I have an area of around 300 square meters that needs help. Thanks for any advice from any who have faced a similar situation. Barry i think you need to get LOTS of water in there before you can do anything about it! machinery won't work on rock-hard ground, and nothing else is going to be effective if the soil is so hard & dry either. after that, you can begin aerating (which sounds very necessary) & adding organic matter & anything needed to balance the soil and encourage what it is you want growing there. use water on it gradually to soften it up. only water to pooling/run off each time, then start again the next day. this might take weeks, but that is all right, because you can use that time to think about if you want another grass lawn or if something else is a better idea (one suspects the latter ;-) something like dichondra, or even a very tough grass or perhaps a herb lawn (e.g. thyme), might be a better idea than traditional "lawn". (expanding the beds around the lawn is also a good idea, but that's not exactly what you asked ;-) like len said, use grey water. we use our washing machine water on the garden, & this way we have a lot available & it gets used twice (sometimes 3 times if we had a shower in it first g) but do think about it. i haven't got a problem with lawn (particularly since they're so happy with grey water) because some of them can be really good (even if falling out of favour lately), BUT, there really isn't a point to it at all if it's just going to die. choose something that can still live and look good in the conditions that you have. kylie |
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