can't recal but i think each lenght of pipe i bought was around 20 or
so bucks. each about 6 meters long i think.

if you want i can get those details later?

On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 17:53:02 +1300, "George.com"
wrote:
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With peace and brightest of blessings,

len & bev

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"len gardener" wrote in message
...
g'day rob,

the pipe i am talking about looks similar or like that white one
coming out of the bottom picture side of the pump.

not sure you can scavange enough to make a good length from older
washing machines? but might turn out not so dear to buy a length of
the other as you can afford it.

you obviously don't know how cheap I can get Len.

the washing machine pump isn't designed to pump water under lots of
pressure, so could be damaged if you try to make it do that ie.,. it
is not recommeneded to use the wash machine pump to pump water up a
long steep slope, using the pipe like i have is all for the same plain
or downhill.


flat back garden with a drop off the deck down to the grass. The only height
will be pumping out the window & that is only slightly higher than the sink
pipe for the waste water. Should work ok I reckon.

rob

"Terryc" wrote in message
...
George.com wrote:

What i mean is shown in this picture at top right. White outlet hose at
the bottom, black internal pipe heading off to the left of the picture.
Both pipes hook onto a double ended plastic fitting. If I can yank those
out of all the old dumper WM then it will allow me to connect up the
lengths of piping. Maybe $15 for a box of beer.
http://www.danielbowen.com/2006/05/1...shing-machine/

Hmm, what my real interest in your post was "a box of beer for $15" and I
don't drink.

cheap beer

On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:27:08 +1300, "George.com"
wrote:


"len gardener" wrote in message
.. .
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you obviously don't know how cheap I can get Len.

this pipe has in internal diameter of around 30mm




flat back garden with a drop off the deck down to the grass. The only height
will be pumping out the window & that is only slightly higher than the sink
pipe for the waste water. Should work ok I reckon.

you could always set up a syphon with the garden hose, or like was
suggested there is a unit to fit into the pipe under the tub but that
will cost hey? then run a pipe through the wall.

rob
With peace and brightest of blessings,

len & bev

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

George,
What about 19 or 25 mm black poly pipe (depending on diameter of existing WM
hose. 91mm Poly pipe ie standard irrigation pipe is really cheap (25mm is
dearer) and fittings are really easy to find - only draw back is that its
not very flexible, but over a 20 -50m length you could move the outlet
around a fair bit

Cheers,
Geoff

"len gardener" wrote in message
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On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:27:08 +1300, "George.com"
wrote:


"len gardener" wrote in message
. ..
snipped

you obviously don't know how cheap I can get Len.

this pipe has in internal diameter of around 30mm




flat back garden with a drop off the deck down to the grass. The only
height
will be pumping out the window & that is only slightly higher than the
sink
pipe for the waste water. Should work ok I reckon.

you could always set up a syphon with the garden hose, or like was
suggested there is a unit to fit into the pipe under the tub but that
will cost hey? then run a pipe through the wall.

rob
With peace and brightest of blessings,

len & bev

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 21:27:29 +1100, "Geoff & Heather"
wrote:

George,
What about 19 or 25 mm black poly pipe (depending on diameter of existing WM
hose. 91mm Poly pipe ie standard irrigation pipe is really cheap (25mm is
dearer) and fittings are really easy to find - only draw back is that its
not very flexible, but over a 20 -50m length you could move the outlet
around a fair bit

would depend on the washing machine outlet hose diameter. 25mm might
not be too bad but anything smaller could load the pump.

Cheers,
Geoff

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With peace and brightest of blessings,

len & bev

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

Geoff & Heather wrote:
George,
What about 19 or 25 mm black poly pipe (depending on diameter of existing WM
hose. 91mm Poly pipe ie standard irrigation pipe is really cheap

Errr, no. AFAIK, that 19mmm cheap stuff is definitely NOT standard
irrigation stuff. It is thin wall stuff for the home market. It is okay
for low flow, low pressure situations, like trickle watering my vege
garden beds from 2m high tanks via a 19mm backbone around the fence

The really good stuff is much thicker, stiffer and expensive.
Unfortunately, I needed to buy it to join my two tanks for storage
balancing (aka the small one collects more water than the large one)

For his application, unless his washing machine feeds into a surge
tank[1], then he definitely needs a pipe FAR bigger than the outlet to
the washing machine. There must be a physical break so that atmosphere
comes in and allows the WM pump to run as designed.

The outlet on our washing machine is actualy 19mm internally, but it
would be unwise just extend the pipe as the extra 20 metres of pipe will
increase the resistance to flow by about 11 times[2], which is
something the washing machine water pump is not designed to handle.


[1]Another idea for a surge tank might be a vertical strip of 90mm
stormwater pipe (an economical buy) against the wall. You would need to
buy an end cap and glue it on, then glue/bolt on a hose socket at the
side on the bottom. Put a brick on the ground and sit the endcap on it.
This takes the weight. Hold in place with a couple of pipe brackets. You
could even paint it to match the wall. It is an effective surge tank and
as it fills up it, increase, the flow through the 19mm pipe or hose to
the garden lawn.

My rough calcs says that a 2m length would hold about 12L (YMMV[3]),
which should AFAIK be adequate for the general domestic washing machine.

[2] Actually,the volume of flow through a 22 metre pipe is 1/11 of the
possible volume through a 2m pipe, all other things being equal.

[3]3.1415x0.045x0.045x2000 = 50.08 L

Terry,
You obviously put more thought into this than me !

I've never really looked at the flow rate from the WM as ours goes directly
into our recycle system and the pump from there goes through about 50m of
25mm pipe, then out through 10 high flow sprinklers. Guess the recycle pump
is lower pressure than WM.

Surge tank idea is good - if you can find one of those blue plastic 200l
drums they use to import fruit, that would be good - ours cost about $35.

Cheers,
Geoff

"Terryc" wrote in message
...
Geoff & Heather wrote:
George,
What about 19 or 25 mm black poly pipe (depending on diameter of existing
WM hose. 91mm Poly pipe ie standard irrigation pipe is really cheap

Errr, no. AFAIK, that 19mmm cheap stuff is definitely NOT standard
irrigation stuff. It is thin wall stuff for the home market. It is okay
for low flow, low pressure situations, like trickle watering my vege
garden beds from 2m high tanks via a 19mm backbone around the fence

The really good stuff is much thicker, stiffer and expensive.
Unfortunately, I needed to buy it to join my two tanks for storage
balancing (aka the small one collects more water than the large one)

For his application, unless his washing machine feeds into a surge
tank[1], then he definitely needs a pipe FAR bigger than the outlet to the
washing machine. There must be a physical break so that atmosphere comes
in and allows the WM pump to run as designed.

The outlet on our washing machine is actualy 19mm internally, but it would
be unwise just extend the pipe as the extra 20 metres of pipe will
increase the resistance to flow by about 11 times[2], which is something
the washing machine water pump is not designed to handle.


[1]Another idea for a surge tank might be a vertical strip of 90mm
stormwater pipe (an economical buy) against the wall. You would need to
buy an end cap and glue it on, then glue/bolt on a hose socket at the side
on the bottom. Put a brick on the ground and sit the endcap on it. This
takes the weight. Hold in place with a couple of pipe brackets. You could
even paint it to match the wall. It is an effective surge tank and as it
fills up it, increase, the flow through the 19mm pipe or hose to the
garden lawn.

My rough calcs says that a 2m length would hold about 12L (YMMV[3]), which
should AFAIK be adequate for the general domestic washing machine.

[2] Actually,the volume of flow through a 22 metre pipe is 1/11 of the
possible volume through a 2m pipe, all other things being equal.

[3]3.1415x0.045x0.045x2000 = 50.08 L

"Terryc" wrote in message
...
Geoff & Heather wrote:
George,
What about 19 or 25 mm black poly pipe (depending on diameter of existing
WM hose. 91mm Poly pipe ie standard irrigation pipe is really cheap

Errr, no. AFAIK, that 19mmm cheap stuff is definitely NOT standard
irrigation stuff. It is thin wall stuff for the home market. It is okay
for low flow, low pressure situations, like trickle watering my vege
garden beds from 2m high tanks via a 19mm backbone around the fence

The really good stuff is much thicker, stiffer and expensive.
Unfortunately, I needed to buy it to join my two tanks for storage
balancing (aka the small one collects more water than the large one)

For his application, unless his washing machine feeds into a surge
tank[1], then he definitely needs a pipe FAR bigger than the outlet to the
washing machine. There must be a physical break so that atmosphere comes
in and allows the WM pump to run as designed.

The outlet on our washing machine is actualy 19mm internally, but it would
be unwise just extend the pipe as the extra 20 metres of pipe will
increase the resistance to flow by about 11 times[2], which is something
the washing machine water pump is not designed to handle.


[1]Another idea for a surge tank might be a vertical strip of 90mm
stormwater pipe (an economical buy) against the wall. You would need to
buy an end cap and glue it on, then glue/bolt on a hose socket at the side
on the bottom. Put a brick on the ground and sit the endcap on it. This
takes the weight. Hold in place with a couple of pipe brackets. You could
even paint it to match the wall. It is an effective surge tank and as it
fills up it, increase, the flow through the 19mm pipe or hose to the
garden lawn.

My rough calcs says that a 2m length would hold about 12L (YMMV[3]), which
should AFAIK be adequate for the general domestic washing machine.

[2] Actually,the volume of flow through a 22 metre pipe is 1/11 of the
possible volume through a 2m pipe, all other things being equal.

[3]3.1415x0.045x0.045x2000 = 50.08 L

Terry
Let me get this clear. You are saying that a 20m length of standard size
washing machine outlet pipe (the same diameter as I have on the WM outlet)
is too narrow? I am pumping about 900 mill above the bottom of the WM tub,
out a window and then a 2m fall off to the lawn below which is flat.

Your opinion is that this set up will not work?

If then I plump some form of surge tank (not being too sure what that is yet
but will find out), am I having to rely on gravity (the drop off from the
deck to lawn is about 700mm) to draw water out of the tank and on to the
lawn or will the wm pump continue to do this?

I have collected myself about 20 mm of identical size concertina hosing &
some couplings. I am set to go, apart from the somewhat important matters
like those above.

Thanks
Rob

"George.com" wrote in message
...

"Terryc" wrote in message
...
Geoff & Heather wrote:
George,
What about 19 or 25 mm black poly pipe (depending on diameter of
existing WM hose. 91mm Poly pipe ie standard irrigation pipe is really
cheap

Errr, no. AFAIK, that 19mmm cheap stuff is definitely NOT standard
irrigation stuff. It is thin wall stuff for the home market. It is okay
for low flow, low pressure situations, like trickle watering my vege
garden beds from 2m high tanks via a 19mm backbone around the fence

The really good stuff is much thicker, stiffer and expensive.
Unfortunately, I needed to buy it to join my two tanks for storage
balancing (aka the small one collects more water than the large one)

For his application, unless his washing machine feeds into a surge
tank[1], then he definitely needs a pipe FAR bigger than the outlet to
the washing machine. There must be a physical break so that atmosphere
comes in and allows the WM pump to run as designed.

The outlet on our washing machine is actualy 19mm internally, but it
would be unwise just extend the pipe as the extra 20 metres of pipe will
increase the resistance to flow by about 11 times[2], which is something
the washing machine water pump is not designed to handle.


[1]Another idea for a surge tank might be a vertical strip of 90mm
stormwater pipe (an economical buy) against the wall. You would need to
buy an end cap and glue it on, then glue/bolt on a hose socket at the
side on the bottom. Put a brick on the ground and sit the endcap on it.
This takes the weight. Hold in place with a couple of pipe brackets. You
could even paint it to match the wall. It is an effective surge tank and
as it fills up it, increase, the flow through the 19mm pipe or hose to
the garden lawn.

My rough calcs says that a 2m length would hold about 12L (YMMV[3]),
which should AFAIK be adequate for the general domestic washing machine.

[2] Actually,the volume of flow through a 22 metre pipe is 1/11 of the
possible volume through a 2m pipe, all other things being equal.

[3]3.1415x0.045x0.045x2000 = 50.08 L

Terry
Let me get this clear. You are saying that a 20m length of standard size
washing machine outlet pipe (the same diameter as I have on the WM outlet)
is too narrow? I am pumping about 900 mill above the bottom of the WM tub,
out a window and then a 2m fall off to the lawn below which is flat.

Your opinion is that this set up will not work?

If then I plump some form of surge tank (not being too sure what that is
yet but will find out), am I having to rely on gravity (the drop off from
the deck to lawn is about 700mm) to draw water out of the tank and on to
the lawn or will the wm pump continue to do this?

I have collected myself about 20 mm of identical size concertina hosing &
some couplings. I am set to go, apart from the somewhat important matters
like those above.

if I do need a surge tank, I guess an old WM tub would do the trick with
gravity feed to get the water to the lawn from there.

rob

George.com wrote:

Terry
Let me get this clear. You are saying that a 20m length of standard size
washing machine outlet pipe (the same diameter as I have on the WM
outlet) is too narrow?

If you just connect it up to the washing machine drain pipe, then water
will flow through it, but much slower that that it comes out now. The
pump out will take longer. Eventually you will, most probably. burn out
your washing machine water pump, if something else doesn't break first.



I am pumping about 900 mill above the bottom of
the WM tub, out a window and then a 2m fall off to the lawn below which
is flat.

Your opinion is that this set up will not work?

What I am saying is not to connect it directly to the drainpipe of the
washing machine unless you want to destroy the water pump.

If you want to understand how much extra work you will be making the
washing machine water pump do, make up your 20 metre pipe, drap both
ends over the back of a chair, fill the hose with water, then try to
blow all the water out of the pipe with your lungs.


If then I plump some form of surge tank (not being too sure what that is
yet but will find out),

The easiest way to explain how a surge tank works is to take that 20
metre hose you have have made up and put a funnel in the end. Then have
the washing machine pump out into the funnel.

It is almost guaranteed that the funnel is going to overflow, real fast.

A washing machine is designed to "pump out" in something like 2 minutes.
It will take the 2 metres of gravity a lot longer to force that same
water through the hose you are making up.

All a "surge tank" is is really just a bigger funnel. Big enough to hold
the excess water until gravity feeds it down the pipe you are creating.

Ideally, you want something that will hold the water that your washing
machine uses for a wash. How many litres of water does your washing
machine use?



am I having to rely on gravity (the drop off
from the deck to lawn is about 700mm) to draw water out of the tank and
on to the lawn

Yes. You do not actually want a big hose to water with as that can wash
soil, etc away.

or will the wm pump continue to do this?

I have collected myself about 20 mm of identical size concertina hosing
& some couplings.

Good score in any case.

I am set to go, apart from the somewhat important
matters like those above.

Thanks
Rob

George.com wrote:

if I do need a surge tank, I guess an old WM tub would do the trick with
gravity feed to get the water to the lawn from there.

Sounds great to me. Certainly cheaper than buying stuff.

if you lay the w/m pipe on teh ground with water in the machine, won't
the water gravity feed through the pump without the pump being
activated? i'm pretty sure it will on our machine. if this works and
you can use gravity then the extended hose diameter amy not be so
crucial and you are saving power as well.

On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 21:50:20 +1300, "George.com"
wrote:
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With peace and brightest of blessings,

len & bev

--
"Be Content With What You Have And
May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In
A World That You May Not Understand."

http://www.lensgarden.com.au/

"Terryc" wrote in message
...
George.com wrote:

if I do need a surge tank, I guess an old WM tub would do the trick with
gravity feed to get the water to the lawn from there.

Sounds great to me. Certainly cheaper than buying stuff.

thanks for the information. I have refined the idea & reckon a large plastic
rubbish bin standing on a table below the window will be best. I can pump
the water out of the WM using the existing hose length & through the window
into the rubbish bin. It will be nice & stable on the table. I can then hook
up the outlet hose at the base of the rubbish bin & gravity feed the water
on to the lawn. Or so I hope. Sods law says something won't work. I can get
the bin for about $5 tomorrow & have heaps of hose I 'borrowed' over the
last few days. Connecting it together was as easy as easing one end into the
rubber fitting on the end of another length & using some of the small clamps
I collected. I will give yas all an update tomorrow.

rob

In article , "George.com"
wrote:

I plan to hook the WM outlet hose out a cat flap in the window next to it &
connect some length of hose on to that & drape it on the lawn. The WM pump
should get the water out onto the lawn ok. Problem is the WM outlet hose is
quite a bit bigger than garden hose. I don't want to pay much money for any
hosing if possible (purpose made pipe will be likely about $100). Unless I
can get my hands on 20 odd lengths of the WM outlet hose & find a simple way
of joining them I think I may be stuck with a smaller diameter hose (like
garden hose) & some mechanism to have to narrow the diameter down. If you
have any bright ideas to my dilemma please fell free to share them.

You can buy a hose to connect to your WM hose at Bunnings for $20. I think
it's 10m long.

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