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Mice in garden now in house - News Update
On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 02:00:58 +1000, YMC wrote:
I guess there may be more than one mouse in the house hahaha. Mouse smell. If you have a mouser cat and it suddenly starts sniffing around, especially along a route, then you know you have had a visit. |
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Mice in garden now in house - News Update
"YMC" wrote in message
And I set up a trap using the "humane mouse trap" http://www.humanemousetrap.com.au/ I bought it at Bunnings for about $2.60. That was great buying. I've got 3 of those traps and they've all cost me over $8. But I swear by them since one night we caught 6 mice using just one trap. |
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Mice in garden now in house - News Update
"terryc" wrote in message ... On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 02:00:58 +1000, YMC wrote: I guess there may be more than one mouse in the house hahaha. Mouse smell. If you have a mouser cat and it suddenly starts sniffing around, especially along a route, then you know you have had a visit. At night, the cat seems to go into hunt mode as if its waiting for another mouse to show up. I've been keeping it indoors for a day+ now. I... ah crap, I opened the front door and it ran straight out. Damn I can't see the cat now. My friend is so going to be so ****ed at me. |
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Mice in garden now in house - News Update
Yeah, I was surprised it was so cheap. Its Bunnings at Nunawading.
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Mice in garden now in house
"YMC" writes:
I already had traps set up near my compost bin. Nothing close to the house to avoid the obvious. Is it possible that your stealthy visitor might be a native marsupial (an antechinus) and not a pest rodent? I have a small worm farm and noticed it was being visited by, I guessed, a town rat. Around midday I chanced upon it, and it froze in the grass right in front of me, so I got a good look at it, and it looked exactly like a rat to me. But I noticed it had a baby clinging to its back, so I asked here, and respondents declared it could then not be an introduced rat. So I ceased setting a trap near the farm, and accept that I'm losing worms to this visitor whatever it is. Question to all: is the antechinus totally carnivorous, to the extent that I could safely put out a grain-based rat poison to nab any pest rodents with no likelihood of harming the native species? -- John Savage (my news address is not valid for email) |
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Mice in garden now in house
g'day john,
Question to all: is the antechinus totally carnivorous, to the extent that I could safely put out a grain-based rat poison to nab any pest rodents with no likelihood of harming the native species? good question hope we can get an answer, i had never given it much thought as i felt the native rodents had a different food chain to the ferrel ones, as it is only the ferrel models that want to live in our homes with us. and in all the baiting we have done for the ferrel's we have never seen anything but dead ferrel's. On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 07:35:22 +0000 (UTC), John Savage wrote: snipped With peace and brightest of blessings, len & bev -- "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.lensgarden.com.au/ |
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Mice in garden now in house
I get house mice and native 'mice'. When I read up on them it turns out
the native sorts actually hunt the house mice! All very handy, but I can't have them living in the walls either. I catch them all in 'humane' traps and let them go in waste land or bush land if they are obviously not mice. I really hate killing critters. The rats were a different matter. I got a traditional spring trap and killed them. They were definately rats and bold enough to run through a room with people in it. I figured they carry too many diseases to just be let loose somewhere. Probably the mice do too, but they are less likely to survive where there is snakes and owls and other birds off prey. Sometimes I borrow my daughters cat - she might catch a mouse, but often the mice just move out when the cat smell becomes too much for them. It didn't work during the worst of the drought. jules YMC wrote: Rats! Sometime back I saw that there were mice in my compost bin. I don't put food scraps there except vegetables - but it must be nice and warm inside during Winter time. One of them got into the house. I was watching the History channel yesterday when I heard something rattling away at the toaster. I paid no attention to it. When I went to make some toast - out popped a small little mouse. It ran into a small hole inside a cupboard wall. (Meaning its not in the cupboard but somewhere in its interior gaps.) I got one of the old fashion traps and one of the new modern plastic eco-friendly ones which doesn't kill the animal. I thought of borrowing my friend's cat for the weekend. Its quite good at catching mice apparently. But I don't know how effective that would be. Would it help?? I know its an odd question to ask. At the moment its just one. I hope. Occasionally I leave the doors open when I do my cooking - must have got in that way. |
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Mice in garden now in house
jules wrote:
snip Probably the mice do too, but they are less likely to survive where there is snakes and owls and other birds off prey. snip jules Y'know, I often wonder about that. I reckon lots and lots of native carnivores would kark it if it weren't for the introduced rabbits and mice. I know our local black snake has been growing fat on the mouse plagues we get occasionally. I wonder what would keep him going if the mice weren't there? That's why I have no problem letting the mice go from my humane traps. The likelihood of their survival away from their colony of origin is slim to put it mildly and I figure most of them will end up in a kookaburras dinner menu or a snake's or a kestrel's. Not saying we need to welcome the bloody-introduced-species, just pondering the fates of the mice that we catch... -- Trish Brown {|:-} Newcastle, NSW, Australia |
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Mice in garden now in house
"Trish Brown" wrote in message
... jules wrote: snip Probably the mice do too, but they are less likely to survive where there is snakes and owls and other birds off prey. snip jules Y'know, I often wonder about that. I reckon lots and lots of native carnivores would kark it if it weren't for the introduced rabbits and mice. I know our local black snake has been growing fat on the mouse plagues we get occasionally. I wonder what would keep him going if the mice weren't there? there is always a predator/predatee(? is that a word?) balance that forms after a while. without so many mice, the snake may well live elsewhere - or possibly not exist at all as his mother may have lived elsewhere/not had enough to eat in order to reproduce. more likely, without exotic mice, he'd be eating something else which presently do not live there, because the mice live there instead & have crowded them out. i don't think we can _know_ what (for e.g.) your backyard or mine would be like had mice, cats, english sparrows, & every other thing _not_ been introduced by other people in the past. there's no way to tell what would have happened once something else entirely has incontrovertably happened instead. however, quite clearly, australia would have black snakes aplenty in the absence of european mice. they'd be eating something else & their habitat patterns might just be different accordingly, or exactly the same but with a different food source - or, in the absence of so many humans transporting mice about, there may have been so many snakes in your area that they reach plague-like proportions themselves, & subsequently receive a population correction from mother nature because there is not enough to eat... (or any one of a number of other hypothetical possibilities). nature keeps animals (and plants), & the animals or diseases that kill them, in a balance. (it might not be a balance we approve of, but our opinions actually don't count :-) european mice, without enough predators (say, cats, dogs & humans - themselves all introduced species as well), will crowd out similar indigenous species (which your snake would eat, except that they're not _there_ because of mice.) there'd have just been a different balance & different animals occupying different places, but we can't know what it might have been like. That's why I have no problem letting the mice go from my humane traps. The likelihood of their survival away from their colony of origin is slim to put it mildly er, no..! how have mice come to prosper? by moving away from their origins (whether by accident or on purpose) & expanding their habitat. by my observation, there are two groups of animals in the world - those which prosper by being smart & adaptable (e.g. humans or dogs) & those which aren't very bright but prosper by sheer reproductive capacity (mice, rabbits, kangaroos). with the latter, they may thwart themselves at every turn & be killed in droves by predators, yet survive in massive quantities because they have so many babies, a few of whom survive to reproduce. the animals which plague us tend to be of the latter variety. they are just adaptable enough to make sure a few of them always survive a new situation. they are always able to find other individuals to mate with, because those individuals are already nearby, having previously been relocated, or relocated themselves, for whatever reason. then again, i suppose there is a third group of animals which are neither wickedly intelligent, nor are they highly reproductive. they would be the animals which either become endangered if someone or something moves in on them, or become domesticated if they are useful to us & placid enough. and I figure most of them will end up in a kookaburras dinner menu or a snake's or a kestrel's. i think a lot of them probably do, but there will always be enough survivors, of that you can be sure. if you release a thousand mice in a lifetime, & only 50 of them subsequently survive to have offspring, there are still a LOT more mice in the world than there would have been had you killed all 1000 instead of letting 50 survive. Not saying we need to welcome the bloody-introduced-species, just pondering the fates of the mice that we catch... you're probably right in that most of them are caught pretty quickly. it's the ones who aren't caught who go on to colonise new areas. which clearly happens, otherwise australia would not be covered in a thick coating of mice, rats, cats, goats, foxes, & every imaginable kind of feral pest!! :-) kylie |
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Mice in garden now in house
On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:50:16 +1000, "YMC"
wrote in aus.gardens: I got one of the old fashion traps and one of the new modern plastic eco-friendly ones which doesn't kill the animal. I thought of borrowing my friend's cat for the weekend. Its quite good at catching mice apparently. But I don't know how effective that would be. Would it help?? I know its an odd question to ask. Never mind about cats or old fashioned traps whether eco friendly or not get one of these: http://www.flickr.com/photos/psycho12/3517640973/ from Woollies or Coles They are the best traps I have ever used for mice, so sensitive gets the little ******* every time. Peanut butter is the best bait - mice cannot resist it. You don't even have to touch the dead mouse, to release it just take the trap to your bin open the jaws by squeezing the back part and the mouse is in the bin, put the trap back (the peanut butter will still be there) and it is ready to catch the next little blighter. They are absolutely brilliant traps, promise. Regards Oscar Tantum religio potuit suadere malorum - Lucretius |
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Mice in garden now in house - News Update
On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 02:00:58 +1000, "YMC"
wrote in aus.gardens: I borrowed my friend's cat for the weekend. And I set up a trap using the "humane mouse trap" http://www.humanemousetrap.com.au/ I bought it at Bunnings for about $2.60. Still think these are better and you can use the mouse in your compost http://www.flickr.com/photos/psycho12/3517640973/ And you get two in a packet for about the same cost. Regards Oscar Tantum religio potuit suadere malorum - Lucretius |
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Mice in garden now in house - News Update
Oscar Trint wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2009 02:00:58 +1000, "YMC" wrote in aus.gardens: I borrowed my friend's cat for the weekend. And I set up a trap using the "humane mouse trap" http://www.humanemousetrap.com.au/ I bought it at Bunnings for about $2.60. Still think these are better and you can use the mouse in your compost http://www.flickr.com/photos/psycho12/3517640973/ And you get two in a packet for about the same cost. We've got them. Have caught two mice in them. On both occasions the mouse was caught by one front foot only and struggled to escape with a severly broken leg. I'm no animal rights activist but felt sorry for the mice. Had to dispatch the mouse which some people would not like to do. Would be better if the trap killed the mouse outright. On the other hand, the bugger of a rat (or rats?) that we have in the garden that eats our fruit and avoids all the baits, poisons and traps, I would happily sentence to that fate. |
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Mice in garden now in house - News Update
On 10 May 2009 15:20:49 GMT, Tom N wrote in aus.gardens:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/psycho12/3517640973/ And you get two in a packet for about the same cost. We've got them. Have caught two mice in them. On both occasions the mouse was caught by one front foot only and struggled to escape with a severly broken leg. I'm no animal rights activist but felt sorry for the mice. That's bad luck but that has never happened to me - have used them for years and get periodic plagues, the traps have always killed em, except once when a very young tiny mouse (presumably its elders having been caught previously) was actually caught inside the trap unharmed. Chucked the trap and mouse in a bucket of water to solve that problem. Regards Oscar Tantum religio potuit suadere malorum - Lucretius |
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Mice in garden now in house - News Update
Oscar Trint wrote:
On 10 May 2009 15:20:49 GMT, Tom N wrote in aus.gardens: http://www.flickr.com/photos/psycho12/3517640973/ And you get two in a packet for about the same cost. We've got them. Have caught two mice in them. On both occasions the mouse was caught by one front foot only and struggled to escape with a severly broken leg. I'm no animal rights activist but felt sorry for the mice. That's bad luck but that has never happened to me - have used them for years and get periodic plagues, the traps have always killed em, except once when a very young tiny mouse (presumably its elders having been caught previously) was actually caught inside the trap unharmed. Chucked the trap and mouse in a bucket of water to solve that problem. Regards Oscar Tantum religio potuit suadere malorum - Lucretius I caught two little grey mices in a humane tilt trap last night returned to the neighbours as a compliment for their white ants arriving here after they sprayed last month |
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