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Hi,

I was wondering if this idea would work.

I've got left over palings from building a fence (untreated) and was thinking of using them to build a few basic boxes against my shed to plant things like herbs, tomatoes etc.

What I'm worried about is heat. Because this side of the shed faces north, and during summer in particular there's a lot of heat reflected. scorching at times.

Would I be wasting my time building boxes ?

I was thinking it may work if I setup a drip feed system of sorts to keep the soil moist all the time, which would be easy to do here because I have tank water tap right next door, but still thinking there'd be too much heat, and the plants will burn (and I'm not into cactii...)

appreciate any thoughts. I'm quite new to gardening.

thanks kindly
Jake
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Jake_Darvall wrote:
Hi,

I was wondering if this idea would work.

I've got left over palings from building a fence (untreated) and was
thinking of using them to build a few basic boxes against my shed to
plant things like herbs, tomatoes etc.


Fence paling timber is probably not rated for direct contact with the soil
so it may only last a year or two is such conditions.

What I'm worried about is heat. Because this side of the shed faces
north, and during summer in particular there's a lot of heat
reflected. scorching at times.


I assume you are in the southern hemisphere for a north facing wall to be
hot in summer. Where are you? How hot is hot? If the summer daily
temperature is 42C then adding reflected heat is probably not good, if it is
22C it might be fine.

Would I be wasting my time building boxes ?

I was thinking it may work if I setup a drip feed system of sorts to
keep the soil moist all the time, which would be easy to do here
because I have tank water tap right next door, but still thinking
there'd be too much heat, and the plants will burn (and I'm not into
cactii...)

appreciate any thoughts. I'm quite new to gardening.

thanks kindly
Jake


The boxes you outline look rather small for the root system of tomatoes and
there is nowhere to support them. The size and good drainage would be OK for
many herbs, cutting greens etc. Also small boxes will suffer from the same
problem as small pots, they dry out quickly. A constant drip feed may fix
this but it could be hard to regulate.

David

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On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 18:29:31 +0000, Jake_Darvall wrote:


What I'm worried about is heat. Because this side of the shed faces
north, and during summer in particular there's a lot of heat reflected.
scorching at times.


You could always "face" the side of the shed with a few. Or fasten a bit
of shade cloth to the shed and/or cover the plants.

Would I be wasting my time building boxes ?


Define waste. At the worst, you'll have an idea of what doesn't work.
OTOH, microclimates can produce some interesting results.

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Hi,

I was wondering if this idea would work.

I've got left over palings from building a fence (untreated) and was
thinking of using them to build a few basic boxes against my shed to
plant things like herbs, tomatoes etc.

What I'm worried about is heat. Because this side of the shed faces
north, and during summer in particular there's a lot of heat reflected.
scorching at times.

Would I be wasting my time building boxes ?

I was thinking it may work if I setup a drip feed system of sorts to
keep the soil moist all the time, which would be easy to do here because
I have tank water tap right next door, but still thinking there'd be too
much heat, and the plants will burn (and I'm not into cactii...)

appreciate any thoughts. I'm quite new to gardening.

thanks kindly
Jake


hello,

you have a u.k. address, but we don't know if you are in the u.k.! i'm not,
so i can't answer in an informed way about that.

however, if you're in australia like we are, i'd suggest you're right - the
wall will have sun on it all day & become _much_ too hot. i have a creeper
planted against an east-facing tin shed wall, & it gets too hot to grow (so
i'm going to have to move it) even though the sun has moved over by
lunchtime. north-facing would be simply impossible - the radiant heat is
just too much for most plants.

is there somewhere else you could put the boxes? i reckon wooden plant boxes
look excellent, & you can line them with heavy plastic (with a few holes in
the bottom) to keep them more moist. it's true that planters & pots need
daily watering when it's hot, but most of us have some anyway, because they
have other charms. (and because you may well need to water other parts of
the garden daily in summer anyway.)

you could perhaps keep shadecloth squares to put over the planters each
morning, but i am thinking it's not ideal - it's just a way to make a bad
location better, where moving the planters to a sunny, but not hot, spot
would be the better idea. another idea might be to also make a back board
(of palings) to sit behind. this would not warm up so much, but again,
you're sort of just making do because it's a problem you could have avoided.
kylie


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On 19/06/2010 10:24 AM, 0tterbot wrote:
o.uk wrote in message
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Hi,

I was wondering if this idea would work.

I've got left over palings from building a fence (untreated) and was
thinking of using them to build a few basic boxes against my shed to
plant things like herbs, tomatoes etc.

What I'm worried about is heat. Because this side of the shed faces
north, and during summer in particular there's a lot of heat reflected.
scorching at times.

Would I be wasting my time building boxes ?

I was thinking it may work if I setup a drip feed system of sorts to
keep the soil moist all the time, which would be easy to do here because
I have tank water tap right next door, but still thinking there'd be too
much heat, and the plants will burn (and I'm not into cactii...)

appreciate any thoughts. I'm quite new to gardening.

thanks kindly
Jake


hello,

you have a u.k. address, but we don't know if you are in the u.k.! i'm not,
so i can't answer in an informed way about that.

however, if you're in australia like we are, i'd suggest you're right - the
wall will have sun on it all day& become _much_ too hot. i have a creeper
planted against an east-facing tin shed wall,& it gets too hot to grow (so
i'm going to have to move it) even though the sun has moved over by
lunchtime. north-facing would be simply impossible - the radiant heat is
just too much for most plants.

is there somewhere else you could put the boxes? i reckon wooden plant boxes
look excellent,& you can line them with heavy plastic (with a few holes in
the bottom) to keep them more moist. it's true that planters& pots need
daily watering when it's hot, but most of us have some anyway, because they
have other charms. (and because you may well need to water other parts of
the garden daily in summer anyway.)

you could perhaps keep shadecloth squares to put over the planters each
morning, but i am thinking it's not ideal - it's just a way to make a bad
location better, where moving the planters to a sunny, but not hot, spot
would be the better idea. another idea might be to also make a back board
(of palings) to sit behind. this would not warm up so much, but again,
you're sort of just making do because it's a problem you could have avoided.
kylie


I agree....You could however try using some shade cloth over the iron
fence on the sun side....to prevent the sun from heating it in the first
place...


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"Jake_Darvall" wrote in message
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Hi,

I was wondering if this idea would work.

I've got left over palings from building a fence (untreated) and was
thinking of using them to build a few basic boxes against my shed to
plant things like herbs, tomatoes etc.

What I'm worried about is heat. Because this side of the shed faces
north, and during summer in particular there's a lot of heat reflected.
scorching at times.

Would I be wasting my time building boxes ?

I was thinking it may work if I setup a drip feed system of sorts to
keep the soil moist all the time, which would be easy to do here because
I have tank water tap right next door, but still thinking there'd be too
much heat, and the plants will burn (and I'm not into cactii...)

appreciate any thoughts. I'm quite new to gardening.

thanks kindly
Jake


hello,

you have a u.k. address, but we don't know if you are in the u.k.! i'm
not, so i can't answer in an informed way about that.

however, if you're in australia like we are, i'd suggest you're right -
the wall will have sun on it all day & become _much_ too hot. i have a
creeper planted against an east-facing tin shed wall, & it gets too hot to
grow (so i'm going to have to move it) even though the sun has moved over
by lunchtime. north-facing would be simply impossible - the radiant heat
is just too much for most plants.

is there somewhere else you could put the boxes? i reckon wooden plant
boxes look excellent, & you can line them with heavy plastic (with a few
holes in the bottom) to keep them more moist. it's true that planters &
pots need daily watering when it's hot, but most of us have some anyway,
because they have other charms. (and because you may well need to water
other parts of the garden daily in summer anyway.)

you could perhaps keep shadecloth squares to put over the planters each
morning, but i am thinking it's not ideal - it's just a way to make a bad
location better, where moving the planters to a sunny, but not hot, spot
would be the better idea. another idea might be to also make a back board
(of palings) to sit behind. this would not warm up so much, but again,
you're sort of just making do because it's a problem you could have
avoided.
kylie



Again assuming you are in au and not in uk then a north facing wall would be
ideal for winter plantings, giving the bed that extra bit of heat.

Mike


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Hi,

I was wondering if this idea would work.

I've got left over palings from building a fence (untreated) and was
thinking of using them to build a few basic boxes against my shed to
plant things like herbs, tomatoes etc.

What I'm worried about is heat. Because this side of the shed faces
north, and during summer in particular there's a lot of heat reflected.
scorching at times.

Would I be wasting my time building boxes ?

I was thinking it may work if I setup a drip feed system of sorts to
keep the soil moist all the time, which would be easy to do here because
I have tank water tap right next door, but still thinking there'd be too
much heat, and the plants will burn (and I'm not into cactii...)

appreciate any thoughts. I'm quite new to gardening.

thanks kindly
Jake


hello,

you have a u.k. address, but we don't know if you are in the u.k.! i'm
not, so i can't answer in an informed way about that.

however, if you're in australia like we are, i'd suggest you're right -
the wall will have sun on it all day& become _much_ too hot. i have a
creeper planted against an east-facing tin shed wall,& it gets too hot to
grow (so i'm going to have to move it) even though the sun has moved over
by lunchtime. north-facing would be simply impossible - the radiant heat
is just too much for most plants.

is there somewhere else you could put the boxes? i reckon wooden plant
boxes look excellent,& you can line them with heavy plastic (with a few
holes in the bottom) to keep them more moist. it's true that planters&
pots need daily watering when it's hot, but most of us have some anyway,
because they have other charms. (and because you may well need to water
other parts of the garden daily in summer anyway.)

you could perhaps keep shadecloth squares to put over the planters each
morning, but i am thinking it's not ideal - it's just a way to make a bad
location better, where moving the planters to a sunny, but not hot, spot
would be the better idea. another idea might be to also make a back board
(of palings) to sit behind. this would not warm up so much, but again,
you're sort of just making do because it's a problem you could have
avoided.
kylie



Again assuming you are in au and not in uk then a north facing wall would be
ideal for winter plantings, giving the bed that extra bit of heat.

Mike


Crap.

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Hi,

I was wondering if this idea would work.

I've got left over palings from building a fence (untreated) and was
thinking of using them to build a few basic boxes against my shed to
plant things like herbs, tomatoes etc.

What I'm worried about is heat. Because this side of the shed faces
north, and during summer in particular there's a lot of heat reflected.
scorching at times.

Would I be wasting my time building boxes ?

I was thinking it may work if I setup a drip feed system of sorts to
keep the soil moist all the time, which would be easy to do here
because
I have tank water tap right next door, but still thinking there'd be
too
much heat, and the plants will burn (and I'm not into cactii...)

appreciate any thoughts. I'm quite new to gardening.

thanks kindly
Jake

hello,

you have a u.k. address, but we don't know if you are in the u.k.! i'm
not, so i can't answer in an informed way about that.

however, if you're in australia like we are, i'd suggest you're right -
the wall will have sun on it all day& become _much_ too hot. i have a
creeper planted against an east-facing tin shed wall,& it gets too hot
to
grow (so i'm going to have to move it) even though the sun has moved
over
by lunchtime. north-facing would be simply impossible - the radiant heat
is just too much for most plants.

is there somewhere else you could put the boxes? i reckon wooden plant
boxes look excellent,& you can line them with heavy plastic (with a few
holes in the bottom) to keep them more moist. it's true that planters&
pots need daily watering when it's hot, but most of us have some anyway,
because they have other charms. (and because you may well need to water
other parts of the garden daily in summer anyway.)

you could perhaps keep shadecloth squares to put over the planters each
morning, but i am thinking it's not ideal - it's just a way to make a
bad
location better, where moving the planters to a sunny, but not hot, spot
would be the better idea. another idea might be to also make a back
board
(of palings) to sit behind. this would not warm up so much, but again,
you're sort of just making do because it's a problem you could have
avoided.
kylie



Again assuming you are in au and not in uk then a north facing wall would
be
ideal for winter plantings, giving the bed that extra bit of heat.

Mike


Crap.


A well thought out reply.

Mike


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On 19/06/2010 2:23 PM, Bloke Down The Pub wrote:
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Hi,

I was wondering if this idea would work.

I've got left over palings from building a fence (untreated) and was
thinking of using them to build a few basic boxes against my shed to
plant things like herbs, tomatoes etc.

What I'm worried about is heat. Because this side of the shed faces
north, and during summer in particular there's a lot of heat reflected.
scorching at times.

Would I be wasting my time building boxes ?

I was thinking it may work if I setup a drip feed system of sorts to
keep the soil moist all the time, which would be easy to do here
because
I have tank water tap right next door, but still thinking there'd be
too
much heat, and the plants will burn (and I'm not into cactii...)

appreciate any thoughts. I'm quite new to gardening.

thanks kindly
Jake

hello,

you have a u.k. address, but we don't know if you are in the u.k.! i'm
not, so i can't answer in an informed way about that.

however, if you're in australia like we are, i'd suggest you're right -
the wall will have sun on it all day& become _much_ too hot. i have a
creeper planted against an east-facing tin shed wall,& it gets too hot
to
grow (so i'm going to have to move it) even though the sun has moved
over
by lunchtime. north-facing would be simply impossible - the radiant heat
is just too much for most plants.

is there somewhere else you could put the boxes? i reckon wooden plant
boxes look excellent,& you can line them with heavy plastic (with a few
holes in the bottom) to keep them more moist. it's true that planters&
pots need daily watering when it's hot, but most of us have some anyway,
because they have other charms. (and because you may well need to water
other parts of the garden daily in summer anyway.)

you could perhaps keep shadecloth squares to put over the planters each
morning, but i am thinking it's not ideal - it's just a way to make a
bad
location better, where moving the planters to a sunny, but not hot, spot
would be the better idea. another idea might be to also make a back
board
(of palings) to sit behind. this would not warm up so much, but again,
you're sort of just making do because it's a problem you could have
avoided.
kylie


Again assuming you are in au and not in uk then a north facing wall would
be
ideal for winter plantings, giving the bed that extra bit of heat.

Mike


Crap.


A well thought out reply.

Mike

Sorry, but there is hardly enough sun to light the day at the moment.
It may have some advantages earlier in seasons, later on as it gets warmer.
Any way the original poster doest appear to want to tell us where he
lives.... threes no reply...
A south facing wall would be needed in England, and there is no heat to
be gained there in winter.
So the person is in Australia or south of the equator, perhaps as a
north facing wall would get very hot here.
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On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 23:43:54 +0000, PC wrote:


So the person is in Australia or south of the equator, perhaps as a
north facing wall would get very hot here.


Well, this is AUS.gardens, so unless they say otherwise, I take it they
are in AUStralia.



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On 20/06/2010 11:52 AM, terryc wrote:
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So the person is in Australia or south of the equator, perhaps as a
north facing wall would get very hot here.


Well, this is AUS.gardens, so unless they say otherwise, I take it they
are in AUStralia.

You dont know our aus gardens very well.
The pages are available world wide.
But I guess the logic is there.
Though other logic may suggest overseas, as someone else did.
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So the person is in Australia or south of the equator, perhaps as a
north facing wall would get very hot here.


Well, this is AUS.gardens, so unless they say otherwise, I take it they
are in AUStralia.


http://www.usenet.com.au/?group=18
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On 20/06/2010 11:52 AM, terryc wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 23:43:54 +0000, PC wrote:


So the person is in Australia or south of the equator, perhaps as a
north facing wall would get very hot here.


Well, this is AUS.gardens, so unless they say otherwise, I take it they
are in AUStralia.


http://www.usenet.com.au/?group=18


And as the original post was from a forum
http://www.gardenbanter.co.uk/australia/192221-will-planter-boxes-work-up-against-iron-wall.html
I would guess the OP doesn't even know he is using usenet or how far
reaching his question is.

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On 20/06/2010 2:56 PM, Bloke Down The Pub wrote:
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On 20/06/2010 11:52 AM, terryc wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 23:43:54 +0000, PC wrote:


So the person is in Australia or south of the equator, perhaps as a
north facing wall would get very hot here.

Well, this is AUS.gardens, so unless they say otherwise, I take it they
are in AUStralia.


http://www.usenet.com.au/?group=18


And as the original post was from a forum
http://www.gardenbanter.co.uk/australia/192221-will-planter-boxes-work-up-against-iron-wall.html
I would guess the OP doesn't even know he is using usenet or how far
reaching his question is.

Mike


Now youre thinking...and seeing where these usenets reach....
Dont tell anyone OK?
And be careful using your real email address here too....
PS Im in Antarctica...
Believe it or not....
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On Sun, 20 Jun 2010 01:52:53 +0000 (UTC), terryc wrote:

Well, this is AUS.gardens, so unless they say otherwise, I take it they
are in AUStralia.


The AUS is for AUStin in Texas! ;-)



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