Gas drilling for your farm?
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Gas drilling for your farm?
PC wrote:
Download this and see if you are aware of this problem... http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/rn/podca...g_20100620.mp3 This issue will only get bigger. Australia wide we have a huge problem in that the little fertile soil we have and coal seams are frequently coincident in sedimentary basins. This means that mineral extraction from those coal beds, coal and gas, is necessarily competing for land use with food growing. We already have huge areas of productive land that has been turned into a moonscape-wasteland, have a google earth look at Singleton-Muswellbrook Look at the fabulous soil and water of the Liverpool Plains, soon to be strip mined. In addition to the conflict of immediate use we have the potential for long term damage to the soil and water. There are many rivers that have already been killed by mining, usually coal mining. For chapter and verse see the movie "Rivers of Shame". Whenever an open cut mine closes down, the soil is supposed to be remediated, that is the topsoil should be put back on top so everything will go on as before. FAT CHANCE. If Australia goes from a net exporter of food to a net importer (the trend is heading that way) we are going to have to dig the coal and gas out and ship it overseas quicker and quicker just to pay for our food. I know that our present lifestyle is dependant on mining, you cannot simply stop. On the other hand legislation is very biased in favour of the miners. It is extermely rare for a mine not to be approved and this only happens when powerful lobby groups get enough political leverage, it has little to do with the actual risk to the environment. The miners have so much influence with politicians, who love the royalties and export earnings, the farmer and environment have no chance most of the time. Our pollies spend their day ensuring they get elected in 3 years time not ensuring that our grandchildren eat - that is SEP (someone else's problem). We need some balance. We need somebody to take the long view. This is an issue that will come back to bite us all in a generation or two unless many more people wake up to what is happening and very soon. For as long as this issue remains SEP we are at risk. David |
Gas drilling for your farm?
On 22/06/2010 11:03 AM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
PC wrote: Download this and see if you are aware of this problem... http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/rn/podca...g_20100620.mp3 This issue will only get bigger. Australia wide we have a huge problem in that the little fertile soil we have and coal seams are frequently coincident in sedimentary basins. This means that mineral extraction from those coal beds, coal and gas, is necessarily competing for land use with food growing. We already have huge areas of productive land that has been turned into a moonscape-wasteland, have a google earth look at Singleton-Muswellbrook Look at the fabulous soil and water of the Liverpool Plains, soon to be strip mined. In addition to the conflict of immediate use we have the potential for long term damage to the soil and water. There are many rivers that have already been killed by mining, usually coal mining. For chapter and verse see the movie "Rivers of Shame". Whenever an open cut mine closes down, the soil is supposed to be remediated, that is the topsoil should be put back on top so everything will go on as before. FAT CHANCE. If Australia goes from a net exporter of food to a net importer (the trend is heading that way) we are going to have to dig the coal and gas out and ship it overseas quicker and quicker just to pay for our food. I know that our present lifestyle is dependant on mining, you cannot simply stop. On the other hand legislation is very biased in favour of the miners. It is extermely rare for a mine not to be approved and this only happens when powerful lobby groups get enough political leverage, it has little to do with the actual risk to the environment. The miners have so much influence with politicians, who love the royalties and export earnings, the farmer and environment have no chance most of the time. Our pollies spend their day ensuring they get elected in 3 years time not ensuring that our grandchildren eat - that is SEP (someone else's problem). We need some balance. We need somebody to take the long view. This is an issue that will come back to bite us all in a generation or two unless many more people wake up to what is happening and very soon. For as long as this issue remains SEP we are at risk. David I'm glad we agree on something. And you read it. Thanks. |
Gas drilling for your farm?
On 22/06/2010 12:50 PM, PC wrote:
On 22/06/2010 11:03 AM, David Hare-Scott wrote: PC wrote: Download this and see if you are aware of this problem... http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/rn/podca...g_20100620.mp3 This issue will only get bigger. Australia wide we have a huge problem in that the little fertile soil we have and coal seams are frequently coincident in sedimentary basins. This means that mineral extraction from those coal beds, coal and gas, is necessarily competing for land use with food growing. We already have huge areas of productive land that has been turned into a moonscape-wasteland, have a google earth look at Singleton-Muswellbrook Look at the fabulous soil and water of the Liverpool Plains, soon to be strip mined. In addition to the conflict of immediate use we have the potential for long term damage to the soil and water. There are many rivers that have already been killed by mining, usually coal mining. For chapter and verse see the movie "Rivers of Shame". Whenever an open cut mine closes down, the soil is supposed to be remediated, that is the topsoil should be put back on top so everything will go on as before. FAT CHANCE. If Australia goes from a net exporter of food to a net importer (the trend is heading that way) we are going to have to dig the coal and gas out and ship it overseas quicker and quicker just to pay for our food. I know that our present lifestyle is dependant on mining, you cannot simply stop. On the other hand legislation is very biased in favour of the miners. It is extermely rare for a mine not to be approved and this only happens when powerful lobby groups get enough political leverage, it has little to do with the actual risk to the environment. The miners have so much influence with politicians, who love the royalties and export earnings, the farmer and environment have no chance most of the time. Our pollies spend their day ensuring they get elected in 3 years time not ensuring that our grandchildren eat - that is SEP (someone else's problem). We need some balance. We need somebody to take the long view. This is an issue that will come back to bite us all in a generation or two unless many more people wake up to what is happening and very soon. For as long as this issue remains SEP we are at risk. David I'm glad we agree on something. And you read it. Thanks. It appears you're not quite so gratuitous |
Gas drilling for your farm?
PC wrote:
On 22/06/2010 12:50 PM, PC wrote: On 22/06/2010 11:03 AM, David Hare-Scott wrote: PC wrote: Download this and see if you are aware of this problem... http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/rn/podca...g_20100620.mp3 This issue will only get bigger. Australia wide we have a huge problem in that the little fertile soil we have and coal seams are frequently coincident in sedimentary basins. This means that mineral extraction from those coal beds, coal and gas, is necessarily competing for land use with food growing. We already have huge areas of productive land that has been turned into a moonscape-wasteland, have a google earth look at Singleton-Muswellbrook Look at the fabulous soil and water of the Liverpool Plains, soon to be strip mined. In addition to the conflict of immediate use we have the potential for long term damage to the soil and water. There are many rivers that have already been killed by mining, usually coal mining. For chapter and verse see the movie "Rivers of Shame". Whenever an open cut mine closes down, the soil is supposed to be remediated, that is the topsoil should be put back on top so everything will go on as before. FAT CHANCE. If Australia goes from a net exporter of food to a net importer (the trend is heading that way) we are going to have to dig the coal and gas out and ship it overseas quicker and quicker just to pay for our food. I know that our present lifestyle is dependant on mining, you cannot simply stop. On the other hand legislation is very biased in favour of the miners. It is extermely rare for a mine not to be approved and this only happens when powerful lobby groups get enough political leverage, it has little to do with the actual risk to the environment. The miners have so much influence with politicians, who love the royalties and export earnings, the farmer and environment have no chance most of the time. Our pollies spend their day ensuring they get elected in 3 years time not ensuring that our grandchildren eat - that is SEP (someone else's problem). We need some balance. We need somebody to take the long view. This is an issue that will come back to bite us all in a generation or two unless many more people wake up to what is happening and very soon. For as long as this issue remains SEP we are at risk. David I'm glad we agree on something. And you read it. Thanks. It appears you're not quite so gratuitous Why should I be gratuitous? What about? Why am I not? How did it take 2 weeks to come to this conclusion? David |
Gas drilling for your farm?
On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 20:28:11 +1000, David Hare-Scott wrote:
Why should I be gratuitous? You are being trolled. |
Gas drilling for your farm?
terryc wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 20:28:11 +1000, David Hare-Scott wrote: Why should I be gratuitous? You are being trolled. Yes, apparently life is dull in Mildendo right now. David |
Gas drilling for your farm?
On 7/9/2010 2:21 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
terryc wrote: On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 20:28:11 +1000, David Hare-Scott wrote: Why should I be gratuitous? You are being trolled. Yes, apparently life is dull in Mildendo right now. David Dont know who wrote that. It wasnt me... |
Gas drilling for your farm?
PC wrote:
On 7/9/2010 2:21 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote: terryc wrote: On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 20:28:11 +1000, David Hare-Scott wrote: Why should I be gratuitous? You are being trolled. Yes, apparently life is dull in Mildendo right now. David Dont know who wrote that. It wasnt me... So you, a person who is known for using different names and for stirring the pot on controversial subjects, are claiming that some unknown person used the same software as you and the same server as you to mischievously imitate your current most popular name. Why would we believe that? Do you think that your past performance might muddy the waters? Or is that your desire? David |
Gas drilling for your farm?
On 7/11/2010 10:33 AM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
PC wrote: On 7/9/2010 2:21 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote: terryc wrote: On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 20:28:11 +1000, David Hare-Scott wrote: Why should I be gratuitous? You are being trolled. Yes, apparently life is dull in Mildendo right now. David Dont know who wrote that. It wasnt me... So you, a person who is known for using different names and for stirring the pot on controversial subjects, are claiming that some unknown person used the same software as you and the same server as you to mischievously imitate your current most popular name. Why would we believe that? Do you think that your past performance might muddy the waters? Or is that your desire? David I could care less what you believe. Its what I believe that's important dont you think so too? |
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